City of Chandler Planning & Zoning Meeting 09/20/23

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thank you
good evening and welcome to the planning
zoning commission regular meeting for
September 20th first item is a call roll
call please
here Vice chair culture here
commissioner Morgan here commissioner
Quinn here commissioner Velazquez here
commissioner Barry Keller here
commissioner Lopez here we have
course so before this meeting we had a
study session
and reviewed some reviewed the items
that are on here
um I did we have a lot of speaker cards
for item number six so that will be
heard as a action item for tonight after
we go through the consent agenda
um the first actually the first order
next order business is the Pledge of
Allegiance but I just want to make
people aware of that commissioner Morgan
you're going to lead us please
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands
one nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all
thank you sir appreciate that
so
on item number two I do have two speaker
cards and what I'm going to do is let
the speakers talk on that item
and then if there's questions from staff
requirement questions from the
commission uh if we need to go further
and possibly pull it for Action we'll do
that but so I believe I only have two
speaker cards for this
and
um first one is Bruce
I believe it's Wallach thank you if you
want to come up state your name and
address for the record you'll have three
minutes service
um I'll talk about on this item
thank you my name is Bruce wallig I'm at
396 West Desert Broom drive I'm in
Avalon just west of calypso for the
Chandler Farms
um just here to let you know that um
we appreciate the builders willingness
to listen to our feedback at the
neighborhood meetings that they held and
especially the lowering from the
four-story height down to three stories
um with that being said
we do have a potential for guessing
around another thousand residents moving
in just north of another thousand
resident apartment of live Avenida
and there is that walking path that you
guys were talking about in the disc
study session earlier that
is partly of Avenida part portello heart
Avalon they're all separately maintained
and paid for for maintenance
playground equipment vandalism we we pay
for all that so with that being said it
was
it had the vision in the maybe late 90s
early 2000s to be a big giant retail
district with restaurants and whatnot
correct you were part of that original
plan
um none of that's come to fruition and
now we're just we have Apartments single
family homes single family homes single
family homes and now the applicants
second massive apartment so
we don't have any shared and I am also
on the HOA board for Avalon I'm not here
representing them just throwing it out
there like I'm starting to see all the
expenses that we have to pay for whether
it's maintenance on our Lawns or you
know 5 000 a month or playground
equipment that needs to be replaced four
thousand dollars new tarps ten thousand
dollars
and if if all these residents have
access to
our amenities that we pay for and
maintain then it should be equal share
or we should just put it back to a
you know this is a pretty unique
neighborhood there's nothing else like
this
that I've kind of I don't know I was
talking to Elisa about this earlier
um it's a very weird situation so
um the people they're using the walk-in
path is amenity Parks and Recreation but
every area is either portelo Avalon or
live avenida's private property with no
shared monetary dues I'd also like to
add that live avenida's Apartments have
key fobs so they can trespass
technically it's trespassing right on
our HOA Properties or common areas but
we can't use any of their amenities
like EV Chargers pools dog park Etc
um so we're requesting and I've gathered
about 45 signatures from Avalon we're
requesting at the wall if you closed off
with a permanent solution
and however that process looks I'm not
opposed to the Chandler Farms being
built because I understand this is a
city council action from like 2007 that
created that walking path
so we just wanted to get that on record
and appreciate everybody and thank you
for all your help any comments to the
speaker
okay thank you appreciate it
next speaker I have is Robert is a stye
or
you can state your name and address so
the record would be great and have three
minutes uh Robert stye 3120 South Dakota
place I live in Hamilton Heights been a
resident there for approximately 10
years I was I'm a former president of
the HOA I've also served on the general
plan uh citizen advisory committee here
for the City Chandler and the
sustainability committee back in 2009. I
do um I do oppose the development I you
know for a couple of reasons uh first
the density of the housing uh the
current plan shows about 23 units per
acre that's about 20 percent higher than
what uh live avienda is there are about
20 units per acre other averages are
right around that 18 to 20 so I think
the density is a little too high
um the area there currently has two
major multi-family complexes the live
avianda and the Camden Chandler
Apartments uh so we're always seeing
major density and and more traffic I
know the traffic studies do show that
there's minimal impacts north and south
on Arizona Avenue and east and west on
Queen Creek
from a through Point that's okay but
when you start making left-hand turns
from live avienda or uh the Chandler
Farms property
making that left so you can go north on
Arizona Avenue it's going to become very
congested especially with Hamilton
Heights uh school so I request
additional traffic studies are are done
to make sure that we don't have any
incidents or at least minimize the uh
the flow of traffic
uh Hamilton Heights the main entrances
and exits are on Queen Creek Road
so the potential backup on traffic could
impact our entrance and exit into
Hamilton Heights
so I am opposed
um although I know we live in a world
where you don't always get what you want
and I understand that a lot of times
things go through so I'm also making a
few requests and I first of all I do
want to uh thank Mill Creek residential
Brendan Ray they've been very very good
about reaching out to the community at
Hamilton Heights and listening to our
concerns so I I thank them for that
um from a traffic impact if we could put
a dedicated right hand turn lane going
into the new apartment complex that may
alleviate some traffic backups along
queen Queen Creek Road also the uh from
a construction standpoint my
understanding is that the construction
will take about two years when I'm not
standing up here I'm the vice president
of a division for a national engineering
firm I understand construction I
understand the impacts especially when
it comes to being a good good neighbor I
would ask that the general contractor
Mill Creek residential at least do some
proactive planning with with the HOA so
we can understand utility tie-ins when
traffic uh lanes are being closed down
things that just make our lives a little
bit a little bit easier so again I thank
you for your time thank you for
consideration
any questions to the speaker Jeff one
question uh it might not be for the
speaker but I think there was a
deceleration Lane on a Queen Creek Road
in correct I will ask I'll ask Stephanie
correct so okay any other questions
thank you appreciate it
to staff um do you want to address a
couple of things one the
the detailing let's start with that is
there a decent line on this property on
Queen Creek
or Alyssa wants to address that
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from the
the first proposed new uh driveway
entrance into the property uh along or
close to that West property line it's a
continuous D cell line I mean okay so
that that is addressed in terms of the
traffic
in terms of the traffic studies
commercial would generate more than 50
more than this is going to generate but
have we looked at in terms of with with
our traffic staff in terms of
um access and egress and Ingress to this
property yes they have reviewed not only
the traffic uh
analysis but also on the proposal as far
as those proposed locations of those
driveways and they have approved as uh
as submitted that's right yeah
yeah all right I think that would then
the third thing is and I guess um I'm
going to ask the applicant this question
so
thank you Alyssa
Mr Ray can you just address
um a couple things one was the um the
coordination with the neighborhood
um I think it's a great idea you know we
we do that with other things where
there's a phone number somebody can call
at least know that you know specimens
when the road's getting cut up or Lanes
getting you know go away for a couple
months whatever
can you address that yeah chair members
of the commission Brendan rake in 50
North Central here on behalf of Mill
Creek residential yes as we were
visiting in the back with Mr stye we did
he did raise that comment to us and I
was visiting with a representative Mill
Creek and it is not a problem for us to
coordinate with the Hamilton Heights HOA
let them know construction activities
timing and when things are going to take
place okay and could you also just
quickly and this one maybe you have to
go to council
um the the path my understanding that
this path was designed and improved by
Council back in 07 one of the many Irish
uh relations of the thing can you
address that at all I mean
yeah through the chair members of the
commission as you were briefed um in
your study session there's a long
history of the path
um from our perspective we understand
um that pedestrian connection is always
important throughout developments uh
even regardless of what the end use
might be obviously this path has been
something that has been imposed I
probably I would guess by stipulation
other developments as they haven't come
online including live Avenida and so the
rest of this path and if I needed to
pull up a slide I could do that but the
path is running along our western side
we
it's not gated as it runs through our
property I believe as was discussed
during the study session the gates exist
kind of on live avenida's property both
on what I'll call the north east and
kind of Southwest as you look at it
and his staff prepared and let me see if
I can get a slide up so people kind of
know where I'm talking about bear with
me one minute and while you're looking
for that is is your entrance way
different than alavitas or whatever La
Vida is whatever it's called because
they do have a gate they have a gate
there I guess that's one of the concerns
that so is yours different than theirs
uh share members of the commission
um hopefully you can we can say yes so
um what you will see is that the green
represents the path but at if I can make
it
go
um this is and that's a really Thin Red
Line I'll try to
make it so everyone can see it that is
um the path continues North up to Queen
Creek Road but there is no gate that
would prevent any access through there
as you get to the South the only gate
that is on that South Side
is on the live side
we do not have any Gates now there is a
obviously we have a perimeter fence
alongside our community but through this
point we are not blocking off access so
the only potential restrictions on
access are associated with live
avenida's what already exists there
today okay thank you any question
commissioner
opens so just to clarify so I mean
you'll put like you say you're going to
put a a fence or uh
property line gate along the two
property exactly right there
okay there's the dog part so
where that walkway from the circle going
what would be Northeast I guess you're
not intending just to have that as an
Open Access
through the chair commissioner Lopez yes
it is intended to be open access as it
relates to our side
okay
any other questions
thank you Brian
to staff Kevin
we seem to have some conflicting things
I don't know if the City attorney can
answer or not but this path that's been
done in part or part of the original pad
and pvps and everything else
would it be better for us if we move
this forward to let Council you between
now and Council you guys figure out
whether that is required based on that
ordinance or could be changed you know I
don't want to make a bunch of motions
tonight and take the path out take the
path in or whatever if there was
ordinance is set up back when that that
path was going to exist
chairman Commissioners it's a it's a
good question and we've last couple
weeks I've honestly been starting to
really wrestle with uh if the the final
leg of it on the subject site is not
completed
um the commission's action tonight and
then ultimately council's action will be
only upon the subject property that
action doesn't have the authority to
require to go on a private property and
do other things so if Council elects to
not continue that path and not not move
it forward there's still that that leg
that's on live Avenida
avenida's property that we'll need to
deal with
um
simply making it go away I don't know
since we have since Council started with
Dobson Crossing and then Avalon and kind
of kept kept going forward
we have approved zoning cases with an
attached prolimative unplanned PDP that
showed an open kind of Public Access way
to keep getting to the corner and I
recognize today that we're dealing with
two small commercial buildings and
that's all of this path network is to
get to like 10 000 square feet of retail
but there are approved development plans
that show this that I don't I haven't
really I haven't really got it totally
formulated in my head of how do we make
that go away since it was a public
process and ultimately a public body
that adopted that plan does it have to
go back through that process if if it's
to pull it all out and turn it revert it
back to just solely private property so
for tonight's purpose uh
make the recommendation as commission
seeds fit on the leg that is on the
subject site's property whatever happens
with that if if the council ultimately
approves it by making it go away we'll
have to figure out how we work with the
neighborhoods and even live to
to fix it and rectify that yeah but I
don't have an answer at the moment okay
and the reason I bring that up I don't
want to sit here and delay here and
postpone this thing for a month so that
we figure out that little thing but I
think between now and Council you guys
can figure out it's like allies and like
you said the path that's already there
has not gone away it's there unless the
HOAs want to decide on their own but if
if the ordinance was that we're gonna
have this walking path so
um and I'll leave it up to commission as
well but
um I think we're probably better off if
we decide to approve this item is to let
count you guys can work with get to
before it gets the council figure it out
and then go from there chairman probably
the best path forward tonight is that as
a body decide whether your
recommendation is to complete the final
leg of this uh kind of I would say
Regional but kind of sort of regional
neighborhood path or because the the
anticipation of what that path is
leading to has changed so drastically
it's no longer needed therefore don't
complete it that's probably the best
path forward make the recommendation one
way or the other we've got some
mechanics behind scenes to figure out uh
if if we're not going to complete it and
we'll work that afterwards okay thank
you any other questions on this to
understand okay
um to the audience
um
I was like we're gonna do one motion on
the consent items which is item number
two Chandler Farms item number three
which is the office
um
rezoning the use permit for The
Distillery the use permit for Good Time
Charlie's and like I said we'll do a
full hearing on on Highway cell tower so
um does anybody want to make any other
comments on any of those items in the
audience
okay seeing none what's the commission's
pleasure
permission to Lopez I moved the approval
of the consent items uh as mentioned
what's the exclusionary item I'm sorry
what's the number of the exclusionary I
don't have the agenda it's like it's
either one items one through five five
and item seven one through five item
seven for approval for the consent
agenda okay do I have a second full
second Mr Morgan chairman chairman
really quick we did hand out an addendum
memo tonight that had some tweaks to
conditions so as long as the motion kind
of reflects that these
to the motion maker do you I agree to
add the addendums uh consent line or the
uh
the additional stipulation to stipulate
additional stipulations
a second okay with that thank you yeah
okay great okay any further comments
from Commission
okay all those in favor of the consent
agenda say aye
aye aye any opposed any abstentions okay
motion carries
thank you to the people for that item
and like us for those items we're
recommending by the city council and on
item number two the Chandler Farms as
you heard I think we'll let staff work a
little bit with Council to figure out
the payoff situation and legalities and
all that kind of stuff so okay
item number six
okay
then you're up item number six
all right can you guys see that yep
perfect all right good evening uh
Planning and Zoning commission this is a
presentation on
plh23-0020 it's a highway cell tower
the request before you is for a use
permit
it's a use permit for a wireless
communication facility
a little bit of background on the
property so the property is on pad for a
golf course subdivision with
single-family housing
zoning code requires a use permit for a
wireless facility that is not co-located
on an existing pole and which creates an
exist and which creates a new pool
holding a wireless facility
or no back action
so just for a kind of broader view so
you have in the middle uh Circle in red
that is where the proposed cell tower is
it's going to be in the middle of in the
middle of the golf course immediately
adjacent to a existing like Maintenance
building so
and then here's a little bit more of a
zoom down zoomed in image once again
circled in red is the proposed cell cell
tower and then to the left of that that
kind of dark uh black outline is the
maintenance yard and then just west of
that or left of that is the existing
single-family residential
um so
historically the city channel has a
precedence of requiring a 160 foot
setback from Residential Properties
so just here so you can see uh on the
west side there is a proposed setback of
160 feet
on the south there's a proposed setback
of about 313 feet and on the East there
is a setback of 239 feet and on the
North there's approximately 800 feet
which is the clubhouse is a closest
point of contact to the north
uh here's a proposal before you it is a
new vertical verticality it is a stealth
monopine and it would be 65 feet to the
top of the antenna the city of Chandler
we always measure the height to the top
of the antenna so uh and then the height
to the top of the leaf or fronds and
lightning rod would it be about 69 feet
uh the center of the antenna which is uh
the first carrier at the very top would
be a Verizon Wireless
uh they would be at 61 feet and then the
center for the future antenna number two
would be at 51 and the center of the
future antenna number three would be at
about 30 41 feet
um next I'm going to show some photo
simulations I just kind of showed the
site plan so you get some kind of get an
idea of where these uh views are taken
from just for context
so there's first few uh is approximately
700 feet uh North Northeast of the
proposed Tower so it's almost kind of
the view from the golf course from the
clubhouse
and then this is another view uh east of
the proposed Tower and of course it's a
one Circle in red just for context the
smaller image is kind of showing how it
looks currently and larger image is
showing what it would look like with the
mono Pine
and then here's another view it's about
South Southwest of the popo site once
again it's that little circuit area
above that roof line
and lastly here's another photo
simulation uh Northwest of the proposed
Tower
a little bit of backstory a little uh
City Review guidelines so the code per
code facilities must be self stealth and
in this situation it is a stealth
facility it is a mono Pine so it meets
code requirements there
um next one it's a historic president
precedence it's not code but it's a
precedence that we have within the city
of Chandler is that there's a minimum
separation of 160 feet from Residential
Properties to any proposed cell sites so
for this one to the closest property uh
it is at 160 feet and that is a property
located uh to the west of the subject
site
and then lastly the another historic
precedence it's not code but we do ask
this when application does come that
does come in that maximum height of the
facility be 65 feet The Proposal is at
65 feet
and just for a little bit about sorry
just for a little bit of background the
Federal Communication Commission or the
FCC uh does supersede what the city can
review so it does prohibit cities from
denying the wireless communication
facility due to concerns regarding
health effects of wireless radio
frequency signal
uh neighborhood Outreach the request was
noticed in accordance with zoning code
two neighborhood meetings were held one
was held in person on July 26th uh with
104 people in attendance and one on July
27th which was virtual with 29 people in
attendance and notification but was
posted on Nextdoor and on site
and as of today staff is aware of
support and opposition to the request
uh some of the neighborhood concerns uh
kind of the key ones were really health
concerns and the cancer concerns
possibility for health issues and
possibility for cancer concerns
um and then lastly was also property
values as well
uh neighborhood input so here we have a
little map kind of showing
um in the blue we show the neighbors
that were in opposition and in the
yellow we show the neighbors that were
in support
um originally there was 28 verified
homeowners in opposition to the request
and 94 verified homeowners and support
uh currently so since
um right in front of you guys have an
addendum memo with more emails of
residents and support and opposition to
the request so as of today what we have
is we have 29 verified homeowners in
opposition and 98 verified homeowners
and support
uh staff recommendation uh the proposal
is consistent with the general plan it
is compatible with surrounding land uses
it is consistent with the Press with
precedence and planning staff recommends
approval with conditions
and the sun staff presentation and is
available for questions question
questions to staff
and a couple of things can you throw the
one slide that I think showed the
distances
the
160 feet to the West is so is that with
the club it's behind the clubhouse
though so it's the club you have the
the monopine then the clubhouse or not
the club maintenance shirt sorry
maintenance shirt and okay so that does
block it this the other question I had
um is the trees you show some existing
trees pretty mature
a lot of times what we've when we've had
these cell towers we try to add extra
trees if necessary
um is there a place to put some
additional screenings whether it's on
the other side of the maintenance yard
or whatever to help screen this at all
yeah so there are currently oh let me
see if I can go to prospective views
no too far
so they're currently art trees on site
so there's a good bunch of them that are
on site right now that would assist in
screening that are pretty mature in size
um
if a commission would like additional
trees we can make that a condition of
approval if needed
so on this view that you're showing if
let's say we put additional trees
between where you took the picture to
there is that on the golf course what it
interferes is there room to put other
trees to help screen it a little bit
a room with regards to just well because
you have there's a golf course there so
I mean you obviously can't put it in the
middle of the green so yeah a good
question I believe
um you know we can probably work with
the applicant and see if that is a
possibility I do not see an issue why
that would not be possible okay but we
can control that okay any other
questions of Staff okay is the applicant
here yes the applicant is here okay the
African would like to come up and make a
quick presentation
then we've got a whole bunch of speaker
cards if you could come up state your
name and address for the record that'd
be great
hello my name is Michael Powers I
represent the app the applicant Atlas
Tower one LLC
3002 Bluff Street Boulder Colorado
but I'm not the only person that's here
there's also three other professionals
representing uh Verizon there's Michael
a Gallagher uh Tracy Klein and Stephen
Kennedy and they both also or they all
have Specialties in in different things
that will allow uh the audience and and
the commission to have specific
questions answered with the best person
for the question
um so I'll just uh do a quick uh
filling in the Gap
um staff presentation was fantastic
we've been working on this with with
staff for quite a while and and it took
some work to be able to provide you a an
application that meets your your code
and your consistent precedent for other
other structures like this
um I wanted to note that Atlas Tower
would be the owner and operator and
maintainer of this facility and Verizon
and perhaps other carriers that might
install equipment would be sub tenants
to them so when it comes to issues going
into the future if it is approved and
built Atlas Tower would generally be
your your number one go-to to make sure
that this facility is run
professionally and clean and and any
issues that come up would be addressed
directly to us but obviously the nature
of this business is there is this other
company Verizon currently that's a
partner in this in this Enterprise
um
another comment I wanted to make quickly
just to reiterate your planning staff
mentioned that there is a preemption
issue with Congress is
delegation to FCC to do basically
totally
controlled the the the safety of the the
manufacturer the the the the
distribution the installation and
operation of wireless equipment
um and therefore any questions about or
any concerns
sorry any decision made based on any
conversation about that would be
precluded and and probably wouldn't
um
which sort of money the record as we
move forward possibly uh to any appeal
if that happened but
um I expect that conversation to happen
and we do have some professionals
specifically Stephen Kennedy's has a
short presentation on on safety that
perhaps the commission or the audience
might might be interested in
um
I'll stop there but I just want to
highlight again we we are presenting a
very what I would call clean application
we work really hard to meet your code
this is absolutely needed and this the
this this technology as everyone knows
is essential for for all sorts of things
um I could talk on and on about safety
and First Responders but
um you're a very sophisticated body and
I'm sure you know know that's an issue
but
um I just wanted to let you know that we
worked hard to get this to this point
and I hope you approve it it's good for
the community and it's illegal
um use uh in this area and it's going to
be a benefit thank you okay hold on any
questions of the application I do have
two quick questions yes sir what's the
closest other Tower I know the South
part of Chandler has some very big
issues years ago our Police Department
had fits down there what's the closest
Tower to where this one is for you guys
Ben maybe can you answer that um if we
answer it but I do have an exhibit
showing other facilities bear with me by
just a minute
okay
all right so we do show an exhibit here
um
so the the one here circled in red that
is post facility and the other closest
facility I haven't measured it
um but we have a couple we have this one
right over here just north of
uh okay
okay
so not super close and depends on who
the carrier is as well
um one more question for the applicant I
mentioned trees and maybe adding some
additional trees is that a big issue for
you guys if you need to add a few more
pine trees not for us I'd be happy to do
any um additional vegetation that okay
Council so I know you brought experts
but we're going to let the audience talk
and if we need to bring you back up to
answer some questions we'll do that
sure thank you so much I appreciate it
okay so I'm gonna go to the audience and
I've got a lot of speaker cards
and I'll read your name off I hope I
don't butcher it too bad and if you'd
like to come up and speak great if you
don't all you have to do is say whether
you're I haven't checked off whether
you're in support of the item and stuff
so
um start this off Michael Reed this
isn't support do you wish to speak
yeah thank you if you want to speak come
on up
state your name and address for the
record just for for the audience if we
have a lot of people who wants to speak
that's fine we'll be here as long as it
takes but try not to repeat the same
thing over and over again too and stuff
so if you can state your name and
address for the record that'd be great
Michael Reed uh 1909 East Glen Eagle
Drive
that's uh from that address is all the
way south in Chandler
so right along uh on the highway and up
until about three years ago we we were
with Verizon actually for over 20 years
we use a mobile hotspot because we moved
around a bit and up until about three
years ago it was fine but uh in recent
years it just started deteriorating and
it's just gotten worse and worse we uh
we finally changed from them to another
provider when they advertise the 5G
that worked for a little bit uh but with
I I was on the phone with a technician
there and at the end of that uh
conversation he said I recommend you
return it because that wasn't working
and currently we're getting by with uh
uh hardwired internet on our Wi-Fi
router in the house we piggyback the
cell phone on the on the Wi-Fi which
works
um
pretty good except almost every day
there's some dropped call
uh Sunday my wife's phone wouldn't work
she used mine
on Monday she was elsewhere in Chandler
tried calling in uh it it picked up but
she couldn't hear me and I could go on
but I did have a requirement to call
9-1-1 about three months ago my wife
fell in in the garage and actually broke
her leg I took three tries so I I got to
9-1-1 the call dropped and I think they
called me back as I recall
about three months ago but it took three
tries to complete the communication and
it's just not going to get any better
with people going to streaming and all
the things we hear about so this is very
much needed infrastructure Improvement
okay
and you know those
uh you know they do have good cell phone
service they have it because somebody
else has a tower and for us all the way
down along Hunt Highway the towers just
aren't close enough anymore okay so
thank you very much all right appreciate
it
uh next person I have is Tony Leonard
is in favor do you want to speak
okay that's fine you're you're but
you're in support
thank you very much
okay uh next person I have
Patrice Patricia
kics
do you you want to come up and speak
and your app but you're in opposition
correct okay thank you very much okay
great thank you
okay next one
Glenda Jacobson it looks like or Jacob
and I
like to come up and
state your name and address for the
record
just for everybody in the audience
you'll have three minutes to talk
there's a green light you want to start
see yellow light gives you 30 seconds in
a red light and when to stop so
I'm going
to find it at 1569 East Spyglass Drive I
sent uh email
um when there was debate about the cell
tower starting and we've been in sunburn
about nine and a half years most of our
kids and family live outside in States
all over the U.S most of the time our
calls are dropped or we have to call
back to each other
um on July
19th I had some heart issues in the
middle of the night
and so I went to call 9-1-1 I had to
call three times before I got to them
and the ambulance came and I was
hospitalized so it was very scary and it
really kind of had health concerns about
that so
I just think it's needed very much
needed for connection and for the safety
of our community
okay thank you I hope you're feeling
better I understand I'm good great
awesome awesome that's the most
important thing uh next card I have is
it looks like Bob and see the Llama Or
laima I can apologize so
would you like to speak or you're in
urine
okay you're in support though right
thank you
okay
Julia Ponce
would you like to speak or you're in
sport
would you like to speak no okay that's
fine thank you
okay Carol
it looks like d-e-l-k
okay would you like to speak or just
you're in you're in support though great
thank you very much I appreciate that
um Scott store
okay thank you very much you said needed
to improve connectivity in the
neighborhood specifically emergency
calls and I've heard that and asked from
several people I think that's super
important
um Mary Starr
okay you're in support too and I'm
hoping to improve connectivity and use
Verizon wireless router for internet
okay
um Dean Tucker
you're in support you're on wish to
speak that's fine okay thank you
um Lisa I believe it's onyx
okay thank you very much uh strongly in
favor for safety of the residents okay
um
Laurette Doyle
okay thank you please allow the cell
tower replaced in Sunbird I need better
self-service in my area okay
um what did we do 20 years ago we didn't
have cell phones we had better land
lines I'll tell you that so that's for
sure
um
let's see gudron Huffman
okay okay thank you very much
um
okay
Linda Knutson
okay thank you very much
um it's good for the community need
better cell service okay
um Patrick Leach
okay you wish to speak
okay thank you very much
Marjorie Leach
I take it you're in support okay all
right thank you
okay keep that family happy I just want
to make sure
if she's welcome to come on up
I think you might be in trouble if you
make her come up though so
Cindy Wilson
you're in support okay I need better
cell service thank you
um Bruce Wilson
okay don't want to talk okay I totally
support Tower installation at Sunbird
thank you
um Dave White
support do you wish to talk
um
okay okay thank you lack of reliable
cell service by Hunt Highway
okay
uh Gary
Pope Pope popovska
okay
and you're in support
okay thank you very much I appreciate
that
Suzanne popca I presume you're in
support
okay all right just checking to make
sure family family Harmony don't want to
get in trouble tonight
okay
um I watch my wife watches these so I'll
get in trouble I get scrutinized when I
get home
um Lauren Wallace
in support you want to speak okay great
need better service especially for 9-1-1
um
Barb Wallace
okay okay one better service okay moving
right Renee
semen
you like to talk come on up state your
name and address for the record
hi Renee Seaman 1631 East Bella Reeve
Court in Chandler I had an incident
happen like three weeks ago to me on a
walk at about 7 30 in the morning and
our HOA isn't open and I didn't think it
was worthy of calling 9-1-1 but we've
had break-ins and I have a friend that
their house was broke into and I stayed
there five hours with the cops on August
14th so this happened two or three weeks
after that let's say and it's on Torrey
Pines in an area where there's smaller
the Villas and I saw a door ripped off a
house and it was kind of just hanging in
there and I'm like okay we'll see
something say something so I called the
guard shack which opens I think at six
the guy kept repeatedly saying you're
breaking up I can't hear you you're
breaking up and that's at the almost the
front of of it so I'm real concerned
about the safety um I have to be on
Wi-Fi calling at home and even then I do
lose some calls mainly to my mom so it
could be her phone but I Wi-Fi calling
is necessary the the other thing that I
guess I find to be you know incredible
out here where I'm seeing over 15
Chandler schools have cell phones right
on the premises
or Towers so with that many Towers on
I'm not understanding I guess that's why
FCC said there were no safety reasons to
be concerned about I also think the new
casino which is not far from us is going
to bring a lot more traffic on Hunt
Highway and have effect for the people
farther in the back
um
and so I think that that's that's about
it and as the Verizon and the other
services actually add Internet is that
going to be pulling from cell services I
don't know how that works but Verizon
T-Mobile ATT all have internet services
offered through their cell phones and I
would be concerned that that would have
additional pull and we have an aging
population four of our neighbors do not
have cell phones when those houses turn
over guaranteed they're going to be
younger people and there will be two or
three cell phones in those houses so
thank you okay and thank you for see see
something and do something because it's
really important so
okay uh Gary Hall
this is
all anxious to get up here and talk so
you can state your name and address for
the record that'd be great uh Gary Hall
6361 South Sawgrass Drive uh very
briefly it's just rare that very rare
that there's a project in which there's
a win-win-win for everybody concerned uh
the community the Sunbird Community it's
going to enhance our community the
senior citizens that live there they're
going to feel a little bit more secure
in their ability to communicate and then
the golf course there will be revenue
generated which is going to help with
the future of the golf course thank you
thank you Gary
Deb Rollins I think I get that right
and
r-o-l-l-i-n-es maybe
you're not here anymore okay
she's in support of the project
um
can I think it's cross
you're in support you would like to
speak
okay I'm in favor of the proposed cell
tower it'll be positive for the
community okay thank you very much
Ed Leonard
okay
I will I um it says I'm in favor of the
cell tower project and would like to
know if the city denies this proposed
cell Terror what action would be taken
to enhance our cellular service in
sunburn okay thanks Ed
um and the last speaker card right now I
have is Michael
via
LL
okay
all right is there anybody else in the
audience who would like to talk on this
item
could you come on up I can't it's hard
if you just want to come up and
just because it's hard to hear from back
there for the record
if you can state your name and address
that'd be great too please
I live at 1570 East Firestone Drive in
sunburn my sister and I didn't fill out
cards I just wanted to make sure you
knew we were here as support okay that's
great thank you very much thanks for
coming out tonight
anybody else who'd like to speak on this
item
okay does the applicant want to come up
and address anything I think it was
there wasn't a lot of stuff so
okay
I have somebody in the back room with
their hand up if you'd like to come on
up
here okay thank you
okay
anything anybody else okay I'm gonna
close the floor then commissioner Lopez
so just some of the questions that the
apple or the uh the residents had um
that the applicant come up one of the
engineers they do talk about more you
know bandwidth travel along the roadways
um on cellular towers I don't know how
that works uh you know different from
other uh aspects of Internet receptions
that kind of stuff so as more residents
were to you either do convert streaming
or the residents uh bring in more cell
or sell
usage
um how does that change the capacity of
the Tower and would the residents see uh
an immediate uh Improvement to their
Communications okay Stephen Kennedy
11142 Northwest 165th Drive Suite 343 in
Surprise
um radio frequency engineer with 34
years experience so two things that
happen with uh sites when some
complaints about slow throughput and
then about the inability to connect and
have a good call it's coverage versus
capacity so this site that's uh to the
Northwest on this current map to the
northwest of where the red circle is
that's the site that's over capacity
right now uh capacity is a way to look
at
uh let's say you're you're drinking from
a water hose in your backyard you're one
person you're getting 100 capacity
another person comes along hey I want to
get a drink too now you get 50 of the
capacity you had two more users
everybody has 25 percent of capacity and
just it grows exponentially so capacity
is the ability to process that data
traffic or those calls and throughput
by uh allowing the proposed to be built
you're going to increase the capacity
area because you're adding uh more
equipment to be able to to process that
traffic from either people South close
to Highway or people up north and you're
as well as offload traffic that uh
currently the site to the Northwest is
over capacity there's not very much
bandwidth per user so you'll one you'll
increase coverage within the area more
in building service so if 911 calls
occur inside they can actually happen
and it's not having to try back three
times as well as the building process
where they're streaming data or somebody
wants home-based internet the
frequencies that uh in the spectrum that
this site's going to have when it comes
on air talking with the Verizon Irish
engineer it's substantial we're probably
talking uh
300 megahertz of bandwidth which is
quite large compared to when I started
the business and there was 10 megahertz
of bandwidth way back when you put your
car your phone in the trunk of a car so
this will definitely help by adding
additional radio capacity
question sir I do Lisa thank you yes sir
any other questions
okay thank you sir appreciate it
um my only com I have a couple comments
um
you know there's so the cell towers have
always been a controversial kind of
thing but we all live in you know and
unfortunately they use the word Dive by
not having a proper cell phone calling
9-1-1 we actually had problems with our
Police Department back in the day down
south so
um you know the only comment I'd like to
do if whoever wants to make it much I'd
like to see some additional trees put in
as a stipulation work with staff figure
that out but
um other than I'm supported this project
I think it's it's needed
um the more bandwidth and the internet's
so important everybody and safety is
probably the number one issue when
people can't call out and you know an
extra minute or two makes a big big
difference in terms of
um being able to take care of somebody
so anyway do I have a any motion from
the commission
um I moved to approve use permit
plh230020 Honda highway cell tower
subject to the stipulation by staff and
if the applicant can work with staff to
add trees to help screen okay do I have
a second I'll second I have a second
congressional any other comments from
anybody Kyle
nope I saw you hit that button
okay let me just a comment because you
know there was one or two people or
maybe interfere we got some emails to an
opposition to this
um I do want to as often sometimes these
discussions happen that even if you're
those that were opposed that may not
spoken up we do hear that still um again
we hear both sides and again this is
going to go before the council and mayor
and and they do listen to both sides
um so don't feel that if you win or ever
lose that again you're not being heard
so I just want to make sure that you're
aware of that and we are recommending
bodies so they make the final decision
but
um okay any other comments okay all
those in favor say aye
aye aye opposed
okay motion encourage unanimously thank
you very much okay
um
staff any comments tonight
uh just really quickly chair I know uh
it's been a long day and I wanted to
kind of just thank the commission it's
kind of like for those of us that have
served on an HOA board it's like the
definition of a thankless job and quite
often as a pz board member you're not
going to get a uh a lot of thanks so
Steph really did appreciate the dialogue
we had today was extremely helpful we
got some great ideas great Insight
feedback so I just want to say thank you
for getting here at 2 p.m and hanging
with us all the way through having an
action item tonight so thank you well
the person you really have to thank is
Julie for making sure they had some that
people had snacks and stuff too so thank
you Julie for making sure that happens
and stuff so any other comments from
anybody okay with that we are adjourned
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