Planning & Zoning Meeting 2/21/24

good evening welcome to the
Ching February
2 chairman human here Vice chair Kos
here commissioner Quinn here
commissioner Velasquez here commissioner
bar Kell commissioner Lopez commissioner
goola here we have
cor okay commissioner the other two
Commissioners both have an excuse
absence so um next item on agenda is the
Pledge of Allegiance the vice chair
would like to do that and
great I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for
all okay thank you very
much
okay next item on the agenda is the
consent agenda before this meeting we
have three items on the consent agenda
that were discussed by study uh by the
Planning Commission I know there were a
couple of minor Corrections on the
minutes um and there was also a
stipulation on item number three if
staff wants to read that into the record
that would be great
please right for item number three uh
the addition of PDP stipulation number
10 the applicant shall work with staff
to enhance bump outs on front elevations
along Ryan Road okay thank you to the
audience those three items item number
five will be an action item which is the
Quick Trip gas station but the other
four items that we have on here is there
anybody in the audience wants to hear on
any of those
cases okay see on what's the
commission's pleasure
yeah I'll move to uh approve the consent
agenda for the stipulations by staff and
commission I have a second second I have
a second any further discussion for the
record I will be staining on item number
one as I was not here for the January
17th
meeting if no other uh questions all
those in favor say I I all those opposed
any extensions motion carries okay thank
you to the applicants that were here for
that item thank you to the historic
preservation guys who work very hard on
their project um it's a great item to
protect the Silk Stocking neighborhood
so thank you to Derek and the neighbors
that were here for
that okay next item on the agenda is the
resoning plary development plan for
Quick Trip convenience store and gas
station so Ben you got the the floor yep
all right uh good evening uh Planning
and Zoning commission this is a
presentation on PL
23-44 Quick Trip convenience store and
gas
station this is a project site it is
located could you guys see that by the
way yeah okay uh it's located on the
northwest corner of Dobson and Ray
Road
the request before you is an amendment
to the pad Zoning for commercial uses to
permit a fuel service station with
convenience store and also a preliminary
development plan for site layout and
Building architecture for a fuel station
with convenience
store a little bit about the proposal uh
the project site it's about 2.51 net
Acres the convenience store that is
being proposed it would be at 5,312 sare
fet and in addition to that there would
be a gas canopy or fuel canopy which
would be about
7,287 Square ft and it would house eight
fuel pumps uh code requires a total of
30 parking spaces uh and 50 are being
provided by the
applicant a little bit of architecture
for you guys so this is the East
Elevation this is a front elevation of
the building
itself and then the did a good job of
using different materials that tie back
to the existing Tor time that is located
west of a Subic site including uh ephis
uh stacked
stone um there's also Wayne scating Uh
element feature and also there
is almost like a score line type of
feature as well that is seen on site
currently a little bit more on the
elevations this is the west elevation
being proposed so this is the back side
of the of the building itself
once again you can see that wng scating
at the bottom with the split face CMU
block along with the uh there's almost
like a black uh block that is going to
be used as well that's done vertically
across the uh building that mimics the
existing building located west of the
site on this one you have the north
elevation and the South elevation once
again forch added architecture and with
the stacked
stone
and this is a post canop uh fuel canopy
uh once again they will be using
stackstone on this one as well to tie
back to the Quick
Trip all right neighborhood Outreach
there was a neighborhood meeting held on
October 3rd of last year with 25
neighbors and attendance uh meeting sign
was posted on site and on social media
via next
door and as of writing the sub memo
staff is aware of support and opposition
to the
request some of the neighborhood
concerns uh potential Transat uh
potential increase in crime and traffic
and in total uh there's 13 Neighbors in
opposition and three Neighbors in
support that was done before this uh pz
memo was drafted we did do an agenda
memo that was put on your on your um
table there and we do have three
neighbors that are in all position and
one that um yes three neighbors are are
in opposition and one neighbor that is
uh in support to the request that is an
addition to what I'm showing
here all right and uh traffic that was
one of the main concerns uh a traffic
statement was provided by the applicant
and has been reviewed by our traffic
engineer and also keynote a Capital
Improvements project is in the works
that will eliminate left-hand turn Lanes
in a quick trip by traffic heading north
on Dobson
Road
all right staff recommendation uh the
proposal is in conformance with the
general plan it is a compatible land use
and staff does recommend
approval and I'm available for any
questions commissioner Clint um through
chair Benjamin um can you go over that
last bit about the lane change thing
there is that yeah uh have a mouse here
but let's
see so if you look on your screen the up
and down that is Dobson Road yeah if you
see on the top hand side there is the
project site on the left there will be a
meting that is installed there to prent
any leftand turn into that quick trip
along doson
Road
correct
correct other
questions then staying on just put that
map back up please yeah so if you put a
median on that intersection what does it
do to the um shopping center on the
northeast corner where you have fries
you then eliminate that left-and turn
out of that Center completely correct so
that would eliminate any southbound um
turns onto DOL Road okay in reading the
staff report one of the things I saw in
there that it talks about the traffic
that would be generated by this would be
less than the original P well the
original pad has completely changed from
when it was 25 years ago so I'm kind of
curious on the staff report you guys
said you studied the traffic analysis is
the traffic analysis based on today or
based on something that was 25 years ago
I'm kind of curious yep acknowledge uh I
believe that would be a question best
answered by our traffic engineer uh
Dina so if you can answer the question
in terms of what was proposed 25 years
ago and has been altered numerous times
with Tutor Time and some other things um
why is it that the applicant is saying
there's going to be less traffic
generated than was going to be generated
back when the original P was done sure
Commissioners um and and chair I we have
looked at it in different ways we looked
at it compared to the we have it this
statement that we got compared to the
original pad that was owned um we also
have it compared to um the previous use
that was there compared to the use
that's there now specifically for the
pharmacy versus the the the gas station
itself so we've looked at it in multiple
different ways so are you saying the gas
station's going to generate less trips
than the the the CVS was going to well
whatever it was in those days yasa um
there's different ways to look look at
it yes the the short answer is yes what
we do when we look at especially trips
for a gas station we look most of the
trips that are generated by or that come
to a gas station aren't new trips
they're trips that are already on that
road and they stop by get gas and
continue on so we call those pass by
trips so once you take the pass by trips
off so the net new trips that would be
on the road it is less than what would
be at a pharmacy for both the PM peak
hour as well as daily
trips okay um I guess we can disagree on
some of them I think Quick Trip does a
great job and does generate a lot of
traffic I've been around enough of them
and they do a b job that way so maybe
it's gonna not but I also think there's
gonna be a lot of people who want to um
use that facility as well and stuff so
okay thank you any other questions
for we have another question maybe for
traffic so vice
sh um so
Dana as it relates to those traffic
projections what are those based upon
and is it an industry standard is it a
city of Chandler standard can you talk a
little bit more about how that is done
and is it is it something that is
universal across say all cities
and Arizona sure again um through the
chair these are national standards that
we look at so it is pretty consistent
some cities can have their own for
specific uses but the ones that we use
are nationally recognized and most the
agency especially in the valley
typically use them so um it is very
standard practice to use them um we do
allow um some some adjustments for if we
know something specific about a
particular use but as far as the
convenience and gas stations it's it's
pretty um the studies have been done
again across the country and are very
robust can you answer a question also on
on the the chart that's up here right
now you have a convenience store we
weekday totals of 4,100 trips 3100 of
those being pass through trips but an
additional thousand trips being new site
and then below the pharmacy drugstore
with the drive-thru which there was no
drive-through originally on that site is
1,00 so are you saying that I'm
conflicted on you're saying that it's
going to be less than what was
originally there what was there
originally so yeah the gas station once
you take the pass by trips away
generates that
114 versus uh Pharmacy would would be
expected to generate
18847 so about 700 more trips a day okay
all
right I'm sorry yeah
absolutely
the so the numbers for stop by and in
this
calculation were are these anticipated
totals going to differ now that we're
not allowing Northbound left turn into
the
site um commissioner through the chair
they are not this this particular
calculation doesn't look at where the
trips are coming from um and typically
when we do pass by it we usually only
especially for a gas station we
typically only count in the right in
right outs because those are actually
you know just going to truly come in and
then keep going on what on their way
wherever they were destined to
originally the left ends we get into a
different uh calcul there and those are
more of a diverted trip so these these
would not be impacted by putting in that
median or removing that left
inability okay thank you and then and
then followup did I read in the traffic
study that they did a uh at least a
24-hour field observation or maybe it
was an eight hour field observation and
track both pedestrian and vehicle
traffic across this
intersection um again through through
the chair commissioner yes um they did
do an observation here we didn't require
the study the study was provided as an
additional support for the project but
they did do that above and beyond again
we didn't request it but it was done
yes and are there any significant
findings there
that that would impact our position on
traffic at that intersection um nothing
no there's there's plenty of of capacity
at this intersection so nothing that
would negatively impact the intersection
itself thank you follow up on that this
is the third most dangerous intersection
in the city of Chandler if I read the
report correct is that true um or one of
the most dangerous intersections in our
city that is Meg does a calculation and
and I believe you're referring to the
mag um based on their calculation they
have it as a high-risk location okay so
adding to additional traffic whether
you're saying it's pass through so my
question would be following up on the
traffic somebody's going eastbound on
raay road Quick Trip has a great
convenience store the gas is going to be
cheaper than the gas station across the
street how do you deal with the u-turns
going on there adding to an intersection
that's already a dangerous intersection
so we are working on a a project at this
intersection to improve capacity and add
uh dual left turn Lanes at this location
um it's one that's been on the you know
on our radar for a while and it's a CIP
project that we were lucky enough to get
some uh safety funding uh grant funding
for so um project that's under design
now will be I believe it's in the 25 26
it's it's projected for construction so
that certainly will help and as far as
u-turns that's not uncommon for an
arterial arterial intersection like this
so we would anticipate that would you
say that I see enough U-turn
intersections that have numerous accents
because of u-turns because the turning
radius would you say making u-turns is
less dangerous than going straight St or
more
dangerous I can't answer that question
it it depends on a lot of
factors okay
M Dana can you comment when we talk
about this intersection I say we when
Meg has classified this as being a
dangerous intersection do you know any
of the data on what types of what's
qualifying it is that is it um number of
accidents type of accidents are the
accidents happening at the intersection
are
happening you know north or south or
east or west can you comment on any of
that for us to help you know get a a
clearer picture of what what might be
happening at this intersection beyond
the numbers that are on paper that's
actually a really great question and if
through the chair um uh commissioner one
of the things that mag look or the thing
that mag looks at is is volume of
crashes only it doesn't look at um
necessarily a crash rate or how many
crashes based you know per a certain
volume that goes through which is how we
typically look at them Unfortunately
they don't have that the data to to
support that um they also rank in their
crashes anything um a fatal accident
highly weighs in their crashes so if
there's any fatal accident within the
time period that they look at it
automatically Rises to the top of the
list so um theirs is very he very
heavily weighted with that um and as far
as what constitutes a crash that they're
reporting at that intersection is
actually anything that police code to
that intersection so it could be
happening north south east or west of
that intersection unfortunately with the
level of detail that they have to do for
the whole region they're not able to
sort that out or to filter out those
which is something that we do when we
look at it on the city-wide basis
because obviously we have much less um
data to sort through on that so we
definitely look at it in a in a
different
light I hopefully that answers your
question yeah thank you that was helpful
um Rel reled to the timing for the
capital Improvement project can you
speak more to the actual timing of when
you plan to do those improvements and
what is the extent of the project um is
it just medians north and south of the
intersection or is it extending further
than that um again great question Vice
chair um the it's under design right now
the intersection improvements and we got
a federal safety money for construction
in the federal fiscal year 2526 so that
money would be eligible um of October
1st of 25 that we could start
construction on that um and since we're
we are doing design now we would hope to
be ready early in that so we could start
bidding my guess is it probably wouldn't
go to construction until after the first
of the year likely by the time we
actually bid it got awarded um and were
able to start construction um the extent
of those improvements includes um it's
it's capacity improvements which include
dual off
on doson north and south of the
intersection um and it includes a lot of
utility relocation to make that
happen keep going fine sorry the civil
engineer
dominating question here scary um have
given that if this were to be approved
the median goes in with the capital
Improvement project there will no longer
be left in left out at this location
have there been any conversations either
at a staff level or with the applicant
about the potential and I'd like to get
your feedback on pork chops um those in
the industry know what I'm talking about
when I I mentioned pork chops and they
can be effective sometimes they're not
effective but in order to try and start
establishing traffic patterns for those
using this corner regardless of what's
going to go in at this corner um can you
comment on that and if there have been
any conversations about that that's a
good question I'd have to talk
unfortunately have to talked to the C IP
um project manager on on how far they
are in the Outreach process I'm not sure
if they've reached out to to the
applicant at this point to have that
conversation I know it is part of the
project I just don't know where they are
on on that specific task um as far as
Port chops um we haven't had the
greatest success with those on
especially on larger roads like this
people tend to be able to drive around
them and get whatever Direction they
wanted to go to begin with so we haven't
had the greatest success with those on
on arterials and Chandler and again
throughout the industry that's not
atypical um for a large IND you know
large roadway like this um it's not
something that we would traditionally do
at this
location couple quick other
questions you say you have Federal money
is it fully federally funded it is not
fully federally funded um the capacity
improvements um were tied to safety with
the Dual left turns so those are
federally funded and anything associated
with that is but we were doing some
other improvements to add bike lanes and
things like that that were not safety
related or not didn't have a cost
benefit ratio that made it safety
eligible so would there be double
left-and turns north and south on doson
as well yes okay so the possibility of
this happening in 25 there's a
possibility but also based on budgets
and things like that it may not happen
as well correct it is in the CIP unless
something changes um I haven't heard
anything about it getting pushed out and
it would affect our federal funding if
we did lose city funding on that so okay
I'm very hopeful that it doesn't okay I
mean and projects are going through the
roof in terms of pricing and stuff so
you never know that no certainty in
terms of that so okay and certainly the
safety eligible component of that if it
did come in over budget we could ask for
closeout funding or things like that to
help offset if we can tie it back to the
safety component of that project great
any other questions commissioner
V thank you uh question Dana um Ben can
you orda bring up the map the plan view
are map thank you just a follow up to
commissioner Quinn and coal looking for
that one yes thank you so the
improvements Dana that go um North on
Dobson for the median that would prevent
the uh the left turn in right Northbound
into qy would would that also prevent um
east to west lateral movement from that
Northeastern Burger King shopping plaza
cutting straight across it as well okay
thank you
yeah
absolutely planning I just have one
question for Ben yes can you pull up the
site plan um the proposed site
plan
um my thought or I guess my question uh
relates to pedestrian traffic
into the convenience store door from
Dobson
um you know you're walking on Dobson and
and you want to come in whether you're
coming from Satan and you're a teenager
that needs a soda or something um or
you're just a pedestrian is there a way
to encourage them instead of to cutting
across the dry bile and the fuel pump
area is there a way to encourage them
perhaps through a sidewalk that would
get them at least closer to the building
along that that dry B to where they
could have you know
more direct access to the building
versus cutting through the parking
island or the parking
area yeah that's certainly the Ada
access and that'll makes sense that's a
really good access there
but I'm just going to double check real
quick I apologize yeah I I don't yeah I
know you need to talk with applicant
about it so but then I think it's a good
call out
whether this gets approved tonight or
not that the safety features that to to
the vice chair's Point kids coming from
Sean you also have Anderson Junior High
right up there that the safety factor of
those kids being able to get in and out
of that thing um whether there's calming
to calming something to help calm down
the traffic going in and out fast um
that would be also a concern as well
because you do have like I said you have
Satan right there and you do have
Anderson a block away so okay um one
other question on Landscaping did I read
that the size of the trees were fairly
small did I read
that you have a landscape plan uh
chairman that's definitely a good
question um the the landscape itself it
would have to meet code requirements for
the minimum size okay because I I
thought I saw some eight foot on
plannings versus 12 foot on planning so
that would have to that would get
changed in the narrative or would it get
changed by you know when it comes back
through or
kind of curious uh chairman if that's
something where um if it's eight eight
feet right now you want to increase that
height we can definitely see if we can
work with the applicant to increase the
uh the tree
size yeah thank you chair yeah Ben I
think on the landscape good reminder on
the landscape I think they were counting
existing trees as some of the larger as
a 48 inch box equivalent but I think to
the chairs point I believe everything
was downsized to a 24inch box on the
schedule from my recollection and I I
think you know upgrading some of those
to a 36 would be appropriate and at
least in those islands I think there was
six or nine trees that may provide shade
if those could be
36 notwithstanding you're still counting
the the larger existing as a larger tree
size but that makes a lot of sense on
those trees that would provide shade to
the the parking Zone through the chair
commissioner yes we can definitely work
with the applicant to increase those uh
tree sizes to 36 in box streets thank
you you're welcome another question
since this intersection is going to be
widened I would think that part of that
corner is going to go
away I would think normally that happens
we have to take right away out of there
and stuff so are they counting some of
the trees that are there now that on
that corner they're going go away when
Once the intersections
widen
sorry um chairman I don't we don't have
the final footprint of it we have a
pretty good idea of what that
intersection will look like but as we go
through design we'll we'll finalize that
and see where exactly that that lands
um I wouldn't think it would it's
definitely going to impact some of the
shrubs that are out there but I don't
know how much it would I don't think
it'll impact trees that much I mean
you're probably going to at least have
to take probably 15 feet on every
section every part of that if you're
going to go double we were trying to
widen to one side on this one so we were
trying to keep it so we didn't have to
disrupt both sides but um that's
something that we're still looking at to
see if that's possible or not at this
location if you're doing double turn
lane you're probably gonna have a a
right-and turn lane as well you're GNA
have to take probably at least 15 feet I
would think on each Corner they had
those extra Lanes so
okay okay thank you any other questions
for staff the applicant want to come up
and make your presentation that'd be
great then I know we'll probably have
more questions for you as well so yeah
of course you can state your name and
address for the record that'd be
great thank you
Ben thank you chairman and members of
the commission my name is Brian greous
with the law firm buron ciolo our
address is 1850 North Central Avenue in
Phoenix um thank you Ben for the
presentation wow you guys get into all
the all the details of the case really
quickly and you dial in um I'm going to
make an abbreviated presentation because
some of it was covered earlier by staff
and others were covered as you guys went
through your
conversations um with me tonight is
Daniel Chambers from QT we have our
professional traffic engineer Jamie
blakeman who's with lahi and prepared
the report that you were just discussing
we have Robert Hannon our civil engineer
and associate with my firm Madison leak
we're all here to answer any questions
that you all
have um as you know this is a three
Corner commercial intersection uh the
southwest corner are existing single
family homes and this is a Redevelopment
of a vacant building that has failed to
find a sustainable use for many years um
there's no traffic coming to and from it
today but it does have entitlements for
commercial development including
drive-through uses so uh it's two and a
half acre site I believe two fast food
restaurants could go on this as a
permitted use by right I believe that's
also in the traffic study when you look
at what the entitlements are because the
original entitlements were on a larger
area much of that area became seatan the
Sean school to the north their parking
lot did not develop we believe this
quick trip makes great land use Sense on
this site and it will definitely be
sustainable and a good use for the uh
Community for people to get goods and
services um we weren't as Savvy as staff
where they were able to turn the site
plan our our North arrows to the right
but the areas on the site that you see
that have the kind of conceptual or
rendered landscape areas are areas that
are enhancing or including more
Landscaping than exists today uh we're
utilizing two existing d driveways that
provide direct access to the QT and
we're also utilizing an additional
access point that's to the west of this
site where there's a cross access
easement up there so we're not changing
traffic patterns uh and as you as you
heard from uh the city's traffic
engineer many of these trips are pass by
trips they're already on the road today
I personally believe accidents are
caused by traffic patterns uh there's no
median in do Road when I drive down
there people are shooting left and right
out of everywhere fries all the
different driveways that are along there
the median will I in my humble opinion
will uh be a great Improvement to what
Dobson is
today uh this shows that our footprint
of our building is going to be must much
less than exists there today the the
asphalt location and area will be much
less than exists
today obviously that increases
landscaping and that decreases heat
island effect which seems to be a major
focus of uh most cities and
sustainability efforts this is a
perspective from Dobson Road looking at
the existing
driveway this is a perspective from Ray
Road looking at looking at the site from
the existing uh access point and this is
the bird's eyee view as you can see
there's a significant landscape buffer
on the street side of this lot the build
bus are set back extremely far from the
roadways uh and this the buildings that
we're proposing are more than a football
field away from the nearest Home across
Ray Road so we think it's a great
location for this specific use uh as you
heard we had a neighborhood meeting
approximately 25 people attended that
was back in October uh we heard traffic
schools and safety concerns I'll address
some of those here in a minute Daniel
Chambers and I personally knocked on
doors two different days uh in the
neighborhood one on January 17th and one
on January 20th and then we've met with
Satan Catholic and we've met with Tutor
Time uh these are the door knocking
results we spent two days out there one
was an afternoon evening during the a
weekday and then we went back on a
Saturday 2 to 4 to try to connect with
more people uh the overall results from
that were we visited 45 homes
uh we had 10 people who said they were
neutral or had no opinion seven were
very supportive and one was in
opposition and the rest were either not
home or they had no solic solicitation
signs and we tried to honor that that
sign uh traffic was discussed many times
many people said they really like QT
they love the food offerings they love
the Cofe uh they're looking forward to
the development to happen
um
and that paints a little bit different
picture than uh some of the opposition
that you'll hear today when they sent
out flyers throughout the neighborhood
uh soliciting some some opposition and
you all received those opposition
emails um Mr chairman you were alluding
to the prior plan that was approved on
this site this this site obviously did
not develop was 67,000 square fet of
retail um Dobson and Ray were originally
to have all that traffic from these
developments they didn't occur the Osco
Drug obviously was built the Tutor Time
was built down where it says proposed
retail e um so the overall effect of
what was developed here versus what was
originally planned is much less intense
than was originally
proposed
um you've all talked about the traffic
counts um as you heard most of the trips
to a qt are passed by by Nature
approximately 75% that are already on
the road you heard about the median
improvements on Dobson Road uh but I
want to emphasize again that QT is using
existing driveway locations this isn't a
vacant dirt lot with new development
that's generating new traffic this is
infill
Redevelopment with respect to safety um
which fall into the categories of crime
trespass and
loitering um one of the things QT is is
a safe place for atrisk youth where
atrisk youth can come to the store if
they have a domestic youth domestic
violence issue or they need a safe place
to to get some help QT gets them in
touch with the proper
organizations uh or they'll call the
local PD department to get involved um
that's the next bullet point QT partners
with local police to make sure that
nobody's loitering
theft um they share a camera and video
footage with with police officers if
there's an accident on on the adjacent
roadways
um qt's policies for their staff is
we've been asked that a lot how how what
does the
um what do the QT employees do to make
sure that nobody's loitering on the site
their policy is to be friendly fair but
very firm they ask people to leave if
the people won't leave they call the
local police department to get them out
of out the property um they're trained
to to deal with theft and things that
happen inside the store I don't know if
you I'm sure you've all been to a QT but
when you walk into one the first thing
they say is welcome in or welcome to QT
um and that's purposeful they want the
the connection the communication and the
eye contact and there's other employees
walking around the store restocking
shelves mopping floors it's all
purposeful it's all that connection with
their customers great customer service
but also that's how they they monitor
and police their stores and they have
strict policies on alcohol and tobacco
they um they all their C Cast registers
pop up a a little signal that requires
iding when you try to buy alcohol or
tobacco and the only person that can
override it in the store is the store
manager so that's one of the things that
just happens
automatically um I'm sure you'll hear
from the opposition that speaks today
that uh what about our schools we're
going to have all these you know kids
that are going to go there I think it's
a good thing give them a place to go and
get a a croissant sandwich after school
or a I don't know kids eat Twinkies
anymore but Twinkie or soda or something
and it's it's all on the same side of
the street right now they have to go to
the opposite side of the street to
Burger King to Sprouts to Chevron
uh whatever it may be but this this is a
really close connection uh commissioner
koshel we will add a a sidewalk over
there I think I think it was missed I
think we should have one there it's a
good idea that'll keep the kids out of
traffic when they walk down from from
Satan um Satan has no no objections we
told them we'd build a s foot wall on
the north side of our of our site and
walked out of there and said they have
no concerns they've sent an email into
the city
um you may hear that the schools don't
want it but they have no problem with it
same time same thing with Tutor Time We
we've talked with Tutor Time and they
have no objections we're working with
them on waste wayfinding signage and an
issue with like a dumpster location
which I don't quite understand yet but
we're we're talking with them and I
understand planning staff's also reached
out to Tutor Time and they have no
objection or no opposition to the
QT uh but other than the issues it's why
QT what's good about QT they're a
high-end reputable company they they
create jobs they have dozen they employ
dozens of workers at each location
including vendors and all the other um
ancillary businesses that go along with
it they they're the best in class they
have a kitchen in there they have
smoothies they have fresh made food um I
get why the Chevron across the street
might not want the competition might not
want the pricing competition the
high-end quality food competition the
fuel price competition which I read some
of the opposition or some of the support
emails we're really excited to have um
some competition on fuel
pricing um it'll add sales tax revenue
to the city of Chandler that's how we
pay for services police departments uh
Capital Improvements things like that
it'll provide necessary Goods to the
area but this is infill Redevelopment
there's always challenges with it
there's many different opinions that go
go along with what what should be
developed where in areas that are being
redeveloped uh and overall this is a low
traffic generating use compared to what
was originally approved on the site
thought was going to be developed on the
site and they're mostly pass by
trips at the end of this just going to
ask for your recommendation of approval
and if you have any questions I'm happy
to answer those questions for the
applicant I have I've got a SE several
for you and we'll go to the audience
after that um you talked to gas stations
are not by right on this site and you
talked about drive-throughs so I just
want to make that clear that's why
you're here in front of us to change the
PED um and I appreciate the safety
factor of adding a sidewalk I think
that's super important because you also
do have kids from Anderson or other side
of the street so getting over there but
um and one other comment the original
plan that you showed didn't get built so
you can't talk apples apples from
something that was approved 25 years ago
and changed but um is this a 24-hour
operation yes 247 and and my comments
are not against Quick Trip at all I just
want you to know that I use their
facilities they're great they're great
corporate Partners I you know um I just
have some issues with the land use on
this just to be honest with you but um
in terms of sustainability as we look
down the road we've looked at this with
drugstores Osco was built before that
you know that changed but what's the
sustainability factor for quick trips
plan in terms of if Eves explode and
there's not a need you're talking about
you know the sustainability part of it
what what is the plan as a reuse or you
know are there thoughts about that as
well thank you chairman uh we could talk
for hours about what's next EV hydrogen
whatever it may be qt's told me that
they constantly they have a whole team
devoted to where our gasoline sales
going where our EV charging stations
needed right now Quick Trip doesn't do
uh EV charging stations or hydrogen
fueling stations uh but it's on the top
of their researching list of what
they're looking at um if I asked them
about hydrogen they said it's not that
difficult to convert a fuel station to
hydrogen is Plumbing a tank essentially
the same thing it's what it's gas I
believe instead of instead of liquid
fuel uh but it's it's it would take some
construction and
Redevelopment but there's no plans to
integrate any of that into this gas
station at this point okay okay thank
you any questions from rest of
commissioner okay we're going to go with
the audience and you'll have a chance to
come back and so I've got a few speaker
cards here um you want to come up and
speak and state your name and address
for the record David
Miller come up and state your name and
address for the record that'd be great
you have three minutes um three is going
to be tough well I will try try your
best the green light when the orange
light goes on you'll have about 30
seconds the red light will ask you to um
conclude okay sorry uh my name is David
Miller and I am the competition my
family and I have owned the Chevron
Market uh uh for 28 years now I built it
uh just before Kevin Proby got there in
1996 we opened in
July um you know we we we got notice of
this we went to the neighborhood meeting
of course because uh that stores our
family's life um we have worked it hard
we've worked hard to keep a safe store
um we don't allow loitering we don't
allow vagrants we you know watch people
that steal we're partners with the
Chandler Police Department department
and we do our best to keep a nice clean
well-run site for 28 years now and I
think we've done that um when we went to
the neighborhood meeting uh Harley was
was was a rep then which I had emailed
several times afterwards and never got a
response and found out a couple weeks
ago that he had resigned and moved on
and so I got in touch with uh with a Ben
who was great to talk to and work with
and I asked him about the traffic study
that the city of Chan
we were told was going to what was going
to do then I found out later well the
city of Chandler didn't do the study but
but quick trip had their own study done
and I thought well that's that's a
little bit like the mouse watching the
cheese but that's okay so I started
reading through the study and I had
questions Ju Just Like You How can there
be less traffic on a Quick Trip gas
station which is the busiest gas station
in the country bar on maybe Costco's
more but
how could that be compared to an ASCA so
I took it upon myself and I sought out a
traffic engineer with over 50 years
experience he has done everything I've
attached his resume and he went through
the report and let me just read just
part of this this is his findings I went
I went back to their traffic study the
ti couldn't figure out why such a small
study turns out it is only onethird
complete there are three parts to a is
the first part is trip generation which
they did reasonably well but the second
part is called trip distribution which
allocates the general percent of the
total trips in a regional or orientation
of where trips are coming from and going
to north south east and west of the site
this is then used to assign the estimate
and peak hours directional Mo movements
in and out of the site driveways which
where it was never addressed very
important to know they did not do Parts
two and three I'm surprised the city
staff accepted this report it will be
important to estimate eastbound Ray Road
arriving from the West some will make a
uturn others will use the tutortime
driveway at the medium break many
drivers would use the shortcut through
the tutortime driveway how many what
percentage quarter half three quarters
another failure was uh uh um was another
failure was a fa failure of the ti
consultant to estimate traffic impact
including Q links on the congestion of
Ray and Dobson Road at the signals and a
half mile in both directions from Ray
within the half mile dos in both
directions special traffic capacity
software is used to compare the traffic
heing capacity and so on I'll get to the
end because of the serious shortcomings
of This Ti you should ask pnz Commission
to hold off on any decision until the ti
is fully
completed um he said he could either do
it or he could look look what the city's
traffic engineer does but again that's
his quick analysis of a very short
report I've got his resume attached that
I could hand to all all of you but he
said it is a very incomplete traffic
study and it doesn't address the main
points of what's going to happen and
that inter section those points were
left out I don't know if it was on
purpose or on accident but it was a very
short study so that's can I ask you to
wrap up please okay sorry um you
referenced on one thing most dangerous
intersection in Chandler it was number
three only three behind Arizona ab and
Warner on a two-year
study
um as far as people we went around
talked to the neighborhoods and every
Direction um basically we have got over
500 petition signatures of residents
that do not want this use we've talked
to all four schools up until recently
Satan was backing us um Tutor Time just
as of this morning was backing us maybe
things have changed um uh but both the
elementary and Junior High do not want a
quick trip and more traffic there
because of the safe of everybody and um
the Thea church as well I spoke with
them so basically right now this inner
section carries over 64,000 cars per day
it is one of the busiest in the city of
Chandler third most dangerous four
schools within a quarter mile radius
residents on the south side and it is
busy I don't think anyone here can say
it's not the immediate idea on Dobson
great idea because eastbound traffic on
Ray is by and large you're probably
going to have four to 500 cars a day
coming through tutor times most western
driveway to get the quick trip it's
either that or doing a u-turn at the
intersection like we spoke about and Mr
Mill I need to cut you off thank you
though could I leave you guys absolutely
you can give it to the clerk okay thank
you next card I have is just says
Phillip you'd like to come up and state
your name at dous for the record it be
great you'll have three minutes sir
thank you my name is Philip Butler uh
1989 West Ray Road my
address um I am the general manager of
Chevron at Dobson and Ray I have worked
at this store for the last 22 years and
have have seen traffic at this
intersection go from bad to worse over
the years we have had many customers
tell us how hard it is just to get in
and out of our lot especially during
rush hour times myself and uh employees
will will say the same placing a super
busy QT on the opposite corner will no
doubt increase traffic and the accidents
at this intersection and cause people to
be even more impatient especially during
rush hours which
also uh share the same times parents are
dropping off and picking up their kids
at the daycare and the high school that
is directly behind and next door to this
proposed QT site gas stations are always
a target for homeless panhandlers drug
users and criminals at our Chevron we
are very aggressive at removing these
people that harass our customers and our
employees we have zero
tolerance uh QT like other big chains
chains seem to allow these people to do
what they want uh making their stores a
PO potential danger for customers
employees and anybody in the area such
as children walking to and from school I
respectfully ask this community to
consider these serious points in
regarding in regards to allowing QT to
build there once it is built there will
be no going back and everything I
mentioned uh will become a huge 247
daily problem for this intersection and
the surrounding area the schools the
businesses and the surrounding
neighborhood and that that's all I have
thank you any questions for the speaker
thank you sir thank you next card I have
is Jeff Lang or
long you want to State come up and state
your name and address to the record
that'd be
great good evening Commissioners my name
is Jeff Lang I live at 2338 West Orchid
Lane that's the doson terce subdivision
right there on the corner of doson and
Ray um I kind of wonder why nobody
knocked on my door because I'm I'm right
there I'm here tonight to ask you please
do not let us rezone that empty lot um I
I do not want to see that happen I do
think that it's a safety risk I'm in the
uh profession of education and anybody
with students or anybody that works with
students knows that we want our students
to grow up to be productive members of
society and also have Healthy Life
Choices um I've been in qts before qts
promote uh junk food sodas uh cigarettes
tobacco alcohol all things that we you
know in the education profession try to
keep out of the hands of our students so
I'm kind of concerned about that in fact
I'm really concerned about that and
again I kind of wonder why nobody
knocked on my door because I'm right
behind where this place would go in and
I've been out knocking on doors myself
too because I think you know that there
are people that do care about this issue
and we need to look at more more voices
of the people in our local communities
that would be impacted by this also I'm
also concerned about the traffic um our
students are generally smaller people
that are easily overseen when they're
crossing the streets and would be very
worried about the potential of of
careless drivers you know running into
those kids um also I want to say one
last thing too I was at that I believe
it was October 3rd it was that October
meeting and I asked a question there you
know what would happen um you know I'm
concerned if somebody that lives in that
area about the homeless populations that
you know can come into the QT Stores and
was told that you know uh workers at qts
are trained to be able to handle any of
those problems that arise I've gone into
a couple qts I've asked people about
that and I've gotten no answer nobody's
told me that they've had any kind of
training so might be something to
actually look into a little bit further
um on that note I ask you if we're going
to put something there let's put
something there that's going to better
our community not something that's going
to make it worse and again I'm somebody
in the community that actually lives
there right behind where this place
would go and
um I wish somebody from QT would ask me
what I I thought but I never got a door
knock so uh thank you and that's all I
have I appreciate the time any questions
for the speaker thank you sir appreciate
it the next speaker Mike
Collins you want to come up and say your
name and address for the record that'd
be
great um good evening my name is Mike
Hollin my address is on the form I
submitted um I'm a long-term Channel
resident uh former chanler employee over
20 years ago I was um and I'm an
immediate neighbor of this I live on the
southwest corner of uh Ray and Dobson um
I have my seat in red on uh my son is a
high schooler sophomore at seatan
Catholic
and so I know it was commented by the
people representing uh quick trip that
seatan in favor of that I'm on the
booster club my wife's pretty involved
um I would think they would put that out
to constituents um just based on the the
foot traffic that is there um I I
request that members on the commission
sometime next week or this week go out
there any time between about 7:50 till
about 8:10 in the morning or 3:00 in the
afternoon you have Anderson Elementary
School Anderson Middle School there's a
church school up there seatan Catholic
um and also Goodman is just west of
there uh my daughter uh is at an
elementary school nearby and there's
lots of of Walkers um on there Satan
gets an early dismissal on Fridays at
one o'clock they have a closed campus
where the kids aren't allowed to go out
to to get food at lunch during the week
but on Fridays they have early dismissal
and if you go out there on a Friday
Friday afternoon how busy it is
um on my personal side I am in a
development business so I'm not against
development I just think uh with a tutor
time which is a you know preschool uh
daycare uh a facility immediately
adjacent and these other schools that
you know perhaps um a little more study
should be done based on traffic volumes
um you know again being a resident there
there is a serious accident in that
intersection at least once twice a week
and I know the city's done some
improvements at that intersection within
the last five years they did a
designated eastbound to southbound uh
turn lane they've added a traffic signal
to try to reduce um accidents and and
speed through that intersection it's
just uh it's just a very D dangerous
intersection I think City staff um
should do a little bit of more research
and I'm not saying this won't go through
eventually but um there are more
concerns and I and cute cute um Quick
Trip did say they they went through the
neighborhoods um you know how it is
these days you look out your window you
got your ring doorbell you don't know
who it is okay so if they were going to
go through the neighborhood because I
was there and I do I believe I see these
guys they did come through my
neighborhood I you know I didn't answer
not knowing who it was an advanced
notice you know on your orange boards
that say hey we're gonna have
Representatives coming through you'd
have got a lot more feedback um talking
to my neighbors like hey there were
people soliciting in the neighborhood
you know what that was for you know a
lot of people have opinions on it but um
you know you got to really in this day
and age you gota you gotta solicit that
opinion I don't want to take up any more
time I appreciate your attention and I
do encourage uh you to at least drive by
that intersection uh on a school day
either right before 8 o'clock or at
three and you can just see the the chaos
that's already out there thank you thank
you
sir next card and I'm I believe it's
Thomas and I can't pronounce the last
name um it's okay you want to come up
and state your name and address for the
record I always caveat when I'm about to
butcher a name I don't want to do it so
good move thank you uh my name is Thomas
sensan I live just north
of uh SE in high school SE in
school uh I'm actually big fan of QT um
I think it's a class
organization um I've noticed around town
they seem to
buy extra land so they can have good ER
into their
properties
uh with this corner I was interested
coming here to see how they were going
to fix the problems getting into and out
of they have really done it um and I
don't I'm in the construction business
development
business I don't do uh traffic studies
but common sense if I'm sure you've all
been around a QT they're very
busy it's going to be busier than the
gas station across the street for
sure so come somebody coming east on Ray
they're going to flip you there's no
doubt about it or they're going to cut
through where that that school is that
uh what is it the the time there's gonna
be a bunch of people going through there
I think that's really dangerous I would
love to have a qt in the neighborhood
but also going up north on Dobson once
they get past whatever median is going
to go in there they're going to try and
find a place to flip around in there and
get back to it
um I don't
think uh QT has enough land to do what
they usually do as far as getting eress
to their property and making it where
it's not dangerous getting in and
out but uh there is no way that QT is
not going to generate more traffic than
an Osco or Walgreens I mean it's just if
you look at them but I think they're a
great store I mean they're probably I
think they're the best uh convenience
store gas station like that around um
but that's a very with all that being
said with that intersection as dangerous
as it is this is a recipe for disaster
there's no doubt about it there's just
you've got all those schools there even
with slowing down when there's during
the day was a 7:30 to 3 or 4 I never go
through there over 35 I live there
there's just too many kids around even
on
weekends
so it'd be a bad
idea thank you thank you
sir I have a a card who doesn't want to
speak
Melissa butcher your name p i zo I'm
opposed based on safety security and
increased traffic but you didn't want to
speak
correct okay is there anybody else in
the audience who'd like to speak on this
item if you'd like to if you kind of
come up and state your name and address
for the record
please we'll take turns if the gentleman
would like to go first these closer and
then you can follow you're fine go
ahead Jo lman 2301 West palino Drive I
just actually have a question uh the the
median that they're going to put in on
northbound Dobson will prevent you from
turning left into the QT it's also going
to prevent you from turning if you're
South B on DOD is going to prevent you
from turning East into the fries is that
median going to extend further to block
the second entrance into fries or every
Sunday morning when I go to that fries
am I gonna have to make a U-turn so it's
more of a question great question
question staff do you want to address
that it is a really valid
question uh chair and and Commissioners
that will not block the driveway that's
north of there into the F you have a Ben
can you put up the map of that I'd like
to get a better View and of what we're
talking about
here there you
go yeah it's still north of this one so
this is the the one that will the median
will extend past there but um the one to
the north of that it will not so if
you're trying to and I guess good
question for the people who have that's
a very busy fries intersection where
would you be able to go in to go to the
fries if you're now closing off that
leftand turn into the fries so there's a
driveway north of there that's still um
is behind is it behind the the center um
it still has a front it goes into the
front the
sorry um it does access through the
front of the store you could also access
through the back through that driveway
as well but it does have a front access
as well in front of the shopping center
that that fronts on
Dobson what would we do without Google
Earth right I know
right
in
getting
closer just thinking there we go okay
so so yeah it says Pesto's Italian
Kitchen like if you you could go in
in in on that so you would have to go in
where the pesos is and what drive
through that that parking lot there yeah
you could go
yep sorry I just took over so you could
go in here and and turn down that front
aisle there okay has anybody consulted
Fri shopping center about the cutting
off of some of their egress and Ingress
it's a very busy store I mean it's a
busy busy store so I'm just kind of
wondering will you be able to make a
left-hand turn from there onto doson
going Southbound yes okay the meeting
will stop before the stri all right
thank you okay ma'am you you want to
come up and state your name address for
the record so we got that question
answered
or partially
answered my name is Erica di I live at
2012 West Tyson so pretty close to this
intersection just wanted to let you know
that it's really hard to get
support um to get people here that are
actually in favor of this QT because
everybody I've talked to that live
because we um me and my husband we
frequent a lot of the restaurants and we
talk to a lot of people a lot of the
regulars and everybody we've talked to
is in favor of this QT it's just hard to
get them to come support it so you're
going to hear a lot of
um opposition which it's all you've
heard um so I just want to let you know
that there are people out there that
actually want to see this happen and are
excited to see it added um especially
the competition for gas prices and stuff
like that having it there Clos because
we do make extra trips just to go to the
QT that's just a little bit further in
Chan from where we are um so just want
to going to let you know that there are
people that do want this and it's just
thank you squeaky
wheel thank you thank you is there
anybody else would like to speak on this
item sir if you'd like to come up and
state your name and address for the
record yes my name is Channing Brown I
live at 2323 West sou of way um I'm a
high school coach at scene I've been
there for about 12 years now and I use
that area every single day probably two
to three times a day and I've seen the
drivers I've spent a lot of my life
right in that area um eight to 10 hours
a day and putting a median right there
would be just a disaster the way the
high school guys drive guys and girls I
guess you know just high schoolers in
general biased you can't be biased about
I'm trying not to be but I was in high
school at one point in time too and
you're GNA have
accents you you just you're gonna I
didn't outside of everything else just
that meeting there you're gonna have
people that run right through it they're
going to tear up the cars um it's a it's
there's a lot of people that turn in and
out of that parking lot for school and
they go across the street um people that
turn into fries I use that turn into I
go to that Burger King I went there
today um Whopper Wednesdays I I kill
those and anybody else I'm talking new
one so I also use that fries weekly we
don't go and buy like two weeks of
groceries we usually go like two to
three days and I swoop in there just
because it's right there and it is tough
when they say this is a serious
intersection it's the one that I focus
driving wise every single time I go go
through it because it is I've seen a lot
of close calls there's ation there to
put that construction there to put the
the median there to to have cars in and
out around those kids docon Academy is
just a mile down the road that's where
my daughter goes to school it's the same
thing lots of cars traffic when school
gets out around 3:
3:30 there's cars in and out of there
it's just it is kind of a scary scary
Road right around that time every day I
really really focus when I'm around
there and if you got people that aren't
focusing come through there just worry
about grabbing some gas food or
something things can happen I've seen a
lot of close calls it the kids they just
run out on the street sometime and the
light changes and they're kids so just
kind of keep that in mind um safety is
kind of being a coach being around kids
it's a big thing it's it's it's the
young kids they they're not not as smart
yet they don't
understand and we just don't want to put
them in in the way all right that's all
I got thank you I think we have another
speaker coming up here so you can state
your name and address for the record
Meredith Moore 1581 West Corona Drive um
what I'm hearing the theme seems to be
the traffic situation that seems to be
the ultimate problem with this no
objections to QT in particular however
it seems a little counterproductive if
we're having a capital Improvement uh on
the intersection to make it safer and
then we're adding a component with a new
business are we kind of defeating the
process are we creating another issue
right after we've fixed the intersection
to make it run a little smoother and
then we're adding the QT with the amount
of traffic that they have are we
correcting the problem of the
intersection I think the two are related
and I think we need to look much deeper
into the traffic flow situation and the
reports and if in
fact report was incomplete perhaps we
need to look at a little more detail
before we make the final decision that's
my concern because I'm in that
intersection all the time I'm in that
fries and I can tell you people are not
going to turn into where pesto is and
come back down around the fries or go
behind fries to park to get their
groceries
that's that's a bit of an issue too so
that's all I have to say thank you very
much anybody else in the audience who'd
like to speak on this okay I'd like to
do full transparency give everybody an
opportunity so you want to state your
name and address for the record i' be
great it's Melissa Lage 265 um North
Colorado Street s talking um I just
wanted to add to this too a little bit I
wasn't planning on it um
but I'm a big fan of QT you know free
air for your tires of foods great I can
go on although I wish they'd bring the
old coffee methods back I like those
better um anyway um my concern is
u-turns um I I will go out of my way to
QT as well and and one example is the QT
on South
Arizona um I want to say near McQueen to
get to that one if you're going
northbound in Arizona F you have to get
to the light and make a U-turn to get
back unless
you before you get to the light you you
cut into I think it's a Sonic right
there and you go past the Sonic to get
to the station which isn't horrible okay
but uh if you get to the light to get to
that one you have to make a U-turn it
sounds like on this one a U-turn is a
possibility as well um I'm not a
professional I don't do traffic or
anything like that but as a driver I
think u-turns are more dangerous only
because you have to take into account
are there people crossing the street as
you're going to do to your
U-turn are people on this end going to
be making their rightand turns just as
I'm getting ready to do a urn kind of a
thing so there's a little bit more
involved in that I think but um that
would be my only concern I mean it's
more traffic it's it's more you know and
the children of course are the primary
concern but um I think if if you're
going to increase the possibility of
u-turns that is a danger zone for me and
last thing I'm going to say on the way
here I knewed on Ray Road um ironically
Railroad in Arizona and Ray Road and
Elma School you know they their turn
signals for if you're taking a left you
know you you're at a red and you're
waiting for that green arrow to turn
they're very short you know and with
traffic increasing um you have to really
Zoom you know to to go left on a on a
Green Arrow only stop and I think that
increases the possibility of people who
want to make that really quick green you
know Arrow turn take more chances and so
if you're going to go through with this
um my suggestion was would be to look at
the length of time on your arrows on
that corner as well because that is
where they have the traffic things for
speeding but um between u-turns and the
left Arrow turns I think those have a
potential for problems this might do
sense thank you very much thanks for the
opportunity appreciate it is there
anybody else in the audience who'd like
to comment on this okay I'm going to
close the floor I do have a question for
our traffic
engineer so I'll give you an example
doson and Chandler Boulevard we widen
that intersection probably seven eight
nine years ago now um it's a real long
walk there across seven Lanes of traffic
if you got kids from Anderson Junior
High coming in Anderson Elementary
School that are going to potentially go
up that way and cross a widen
intersection what's the safety factor in
terms of that I mean is it I'm a little
concerned about it as well you widen
that but then it's a longer process to
get across whether it's a mom with a
stroller or whatever it might be and I
know Jan ad doson it's people don't
necessarily always get across so you
want to address that a little bit sure
chairman um we look at the length or
that people will be Crossing and we time
it for that so for widening it we will
be lengthening that walk time as well
okay right thank
you
okay question sure um can you speak to
with your Capital Improvement project is
there a traffic analysis that either the
city undertakes or you hire a consultant
to analyze the traffic analyze what you
just talked about signal timing
progression through this Corridor North
Southeast and west and also the lengths
of those what I imagine are going to be
turn lanes that you would be creating
for let's say this intersection we are
just talking about which won't be closed
off which it looks like it's goes into
seatan on the west and then of course we
talked about it going into fries that'll
be a a full turning movement
intersection so as part of your analysis
with your CIP and the design that your
Consultants will go
under what do they do to analyze traffic
in and out of this area in particular
the school um I live by Hamilton and
that is a very challenging intersection
I think any intersection frankly in our
city near and adjacent to high schools
in particular because you have typically
newer younger men and and women young
men and women driving you weren't biased
then I I was not biased yeah um so young
students um and so there needs to be
particular caution but
in particular I'm familiar with that
intersection very well and there's
definitely medians there is limited
access
so long long roundabout way here I'm
asking you what can you tell us about
what you'll analyze so that we can all
be better you know aware of how you go
about doing that final design of what
your roadway Improvement is going to
look like great question through the
chair Vice chair um at this particular
location it will include both the
driveway we're talking about that is um
would be into the QT as well as the
driveway um North that would still allow
access to fries full access to fries and
we do analyze those things we hire a
consultant and then some of the signal
timing stuff we do in house but for the
most part the consultant helps us
analyze as far as what turning movements
are we going to change where would they
go to instead if they can't access the
same way so we can look at what those
numbers are and what those changes are
and and do the Q links like you talked
about how much storage do we need at
that location to accommodate those
changes that we're making um so that is
something that absolutely will be done
with the with the CIP project that we're
doing we've done a preliminary study um
that helped us to kind of to give a very
basic concept of what we're were going
to do and that helped us get the safety
funding as well so we have some general
ideas but this next step through the
design will get us refined and get us
more details on what that looks like um
hopefully that answered your
question yeah no that's fantastic so to
Parlay that into some comments earlier
as it related to um the existing
information provided by the applicant
was the TI versus a TIA can you speak to
in general terms the difference between
those and what triggers one versus the
other why you know what information you
get from that sure great question again
through the chair Vice chair here um we
have different criteria when we do a
traffic study or when we need a a
smaller version which is a traffic
statement um or if we need one at all in
this case we did not request a traffic
study of any kind because the it wasn't
going to be a more intense use than what
was originally approved or what could be
built on the site now being fast food or
whatever um so the uses that are
permitted by R are you know potentially
more intense than what we could see so
this did not require any traffic study
the applicant did give us one which when
they you know even if we didn't require
it we do review them and take a look at
that so this if we would have required
one it would have been a traffic
statement which is basically just you
know a trip generation statement of what
is allowed by right what was there
previously versus what they're proposing
currently so that's what this study did
it it should not have analyzed the trip
distribution it should not have analyzed
driveway movements that's that's if we
did a full traffic impact study um and
we do have requirements for that we do
have criteria for that but again this
site did not require
that so can I address something I keep
hearing
this use of the fact that it's less
intense than what was approved 25 years
ago what was approved 25 years ago did
not happen understood okay so I I I
guess that just it's bugged me a little
bit on the staff report I'm just being
honest it's it's it's a different use a
lot of things were changed Satan added
space things like that can you answer
one more question for me on traffic
other than red light cameraing red light
Runners and speed is making a U-turn
considered one of the more dangerous the
probably the next most dangerous on an
intersection if people do it correctly
no if if it it tends to be a problem
when people are turning right and are
not paying attention to somebody that's
U-turn so it's adding a danger if people
have to make a U-turn it in a perfect
world it wouldn't happen happens but
people don't pay attention okay and that
is something that's within our control
if we see you know there is an increase
of crashes or there's a safety reason to
prohibit u-turns we absolutely have that
right and can and can make that
correction I do laugh around town
There's plenty of places that have no
u-turn signs and nobody cares so it's
like any thank you very much I do
appreciate all your answers and stuff so
if the applicant would like to come back
up and rebut anything or talk about any
of the comments from the public that'd
be
great
thank you Mr chairman um I'm going to
make it very brief because we're all
talking about the same thing traffic
schools and safety um so I first I
wanted to clarify when we talk about
what's approved in the
pad what I said earlier was never
intended to say a gas station was
approved and I and I was never intending
to say the entire pad could be developed
but certainly this site this two two and
a half acre site has permitted uses that
could be developed on it based on the uh
what's provided in that pad such as
drive-through uses so a 2 and a half
acre site you're looking at either one
fast food restaurant or two fast food
restaurants we analiz that in our
traffic study not sure if you've gotten
the that deep in the weeds but the
traffic would be very similar so I
believe that's what Dana was saying the
you the use that's being proposed is
similar or less understand what could be
developed on the site as by right in the
pad not 60,000 square feet 67,000 square
feet of retail but just on this two and
a half acre site I hope that clarifies
what I intended to say earlier and I
think what Dana intended to say here uh
much has been made about eastbound
Ray um there's three options really
there's a left in at the median break
that's further west on Ray there's the
turn option and there's also a Chevron
across the street so you don't have to
go to QT other people will will go to
the Chevron to get their gasoline so at
this location there's actually much more
options than some other locations where
there's only a U-turn option um I I this
isn't my first QT I've worked on usually
we're up here where we're talking with
staff about how to get a left in usually
that left in is too close to the
intersection so this every County
municipality I'm aware of keeps pushing
that requirement farther and farther
away for that median break to occur and
so a lot of times now we're forced with
only a U-turn here I just want to bring
up the fact that you have three
different options if you're a driver and
you're going eastbound Ray uh similarly
if you're normally a westbound driver on
Ray you're probably taking a U-turn to
go to Chevron today um I heard this the
general manager say that there's some
challenges getting in and out of of
their site c t could help some of that
alleviate where people go you heard
something about a trip distribution
model people will distribute based on
what's convenient for them in the PM
hour and the am hour we all do it we're
creatures of habit um don't need an
engineer to tell that to you guys
because everybody here drives every day
um uh lastly I just want to um mention
that um sorry I didn't catch your name
but the the from the and booster club
asked if we did a pedestrian count of
students that walked by the site we we
actually did I didn't present it earlier
but in the morning and this was done on
Tuesday October 17th between the hours
of 7 to 8:15 in the morning in the
morning you had four students walking to
school through that segment in the
afternoon between 2:30 p.m. and 4 pm
there were two students that were
walking South so that's Counts from the
Traffic Engineers professional people
who who work for
her I just want to ask a question on
October 17th and I guess maybe this
evening I was that fall break I just
asked that no it wasn't it was not okay
I just was curious because that's right
around fall break for everybody in
chanler so when that question came up I
asked our traffic engineer that because
yes I'm okay I'm aware of traffic but I
I just like to close and that and Erica
took my thunder when she came up here
people in opposition come out in droves
and they they have opinions everybody
has opinions when we walk the
neighborhood like our map showed we
talked to seven people everyone was in
support only one was in opposition um
like I said before this isn't my first
Quick Trip I've worked on and it's the
similar debates and similar discussion
we have on almost every site we work on
there's there's a ton of QT supporters
you heard QT supporters here today um
and there's other people who don't want
the the development to be by them um and
that's okay but we request your approval
or recommendation of approval here
tonight thank you any more questions to
the
applicant thank you sir I appreciate it
I'm G to close the floor at this point
I'm make a couple quick comments um I
have no objection to Quick Trip I think
they do a great job I've been in plenty
of them around the state um I think to
me as as a commissioner this is a land
use this is an intensity whether there
was two students or four students when
there's basically an empty lot there
there's probably no reason for anybody
to go down there um I do have a concern
about the safety factor of the students
this intersection being one of the most
dangerous intersections in Channer
whether we improve it or not um so I'm
going to listen to the rest of the
Commissioners but I just based on what
I've heard and what I've studied on this
thing I have some issues with this going
forward in this corner so but I'll open
up to the
commission for anybody anybody want to
throw a motion on the
floor okay
somebody somebody make a step at it
don't have my
agenda um well I will make a a comment
um and I do appreciate all of the the
feedback all of the answering of
questions and certainly those who live
in the the vicinity of this um your
opinion is very valid and um very much
appreciated you coming out here tonight
and participating in our city and in the
process
um what I do appreciate about this site
being developed with this use is
um the opportunity to turn what is
um currently an unused Corner
into um something that will be of a
benefit to the community to the members
um living in this vicinity and I do
believe it is a a best-in-class
use and um overall I feel as though uh
with traffic mitigation and care and
attention given to the operation of the
facility that um it can be a good
addition to this corner so with that I
make the motion to uh
approve um this I forget the number item
number my
agenda uh motion to approve
pl23
0044 um were there any changes with
stipulation ations
David with the addition of a sidewalk
that um
directs pedestrians uh from Dobson more
closely to
the entrance to the
QT I
second sorry I have a first and a second
any further comment from the
commission okay all those in favor of
the Motions say I
I I oos I'm opposed so motion carries
for and one um to the audience we are a
recommending body to the the city
council staff when does this come to
council this uh Mr chairman this would
go to Council on March 20th okay so you
guys will have an opportunity both for
and against to be able to speak to the
city council at that time so okay other
items staff anything
tonight commission anything tonight so
okay okay uh we don't have a meeting the
first week of March uh for the residents
of the Chandler there's a lot of stuff
going on in the city including the ostr
festival in March and a lot of other
events going on downtown so check out
the city's website and the chamber's
website as well so everybody have a good
night