City of Chandler Council Meeting 4/18/24

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good evening and Welcome to our regular
city council meeting of April 18th
2024 uh tonight we we going to see
government in action we're going to have
people speaking and at the end of the
day some people are going to be happy
and some people are going to be less
happy and sometimes that's how
conflicting decisions go but I I we look
forward to hearing and we look forward
to you we look forward to deliberating
and I'll talk about that a little bit
later so with that clerk would you
please call the role mayor hary present
vice mayor Harris here council member
inas present council member Ellis
present council member Stewart here
council member orando pres council
member here we have a thank you city
clerk our invocation will be led by
Reverend Sarah Oglesby dunigan from
Valley Unitarian Universalist and our
pledge uh led by council member
Orlando God of many
names Spirit of life and love and all
that gathers with us
today be with these leaders and
community members today help them to
listen more deeply ask more questions
and hold this community and its needs in
the center of their
decisions help them to consider far into
the future and to learn from the past
help them to learn and grow as leaders
and as humans shaping this community for
other
humans bless this community with
compassion integrity and Truth true
leadership for all of this we pray and
give thanks for your guidance and love
amen amen please join me in the Pledge
of Allegiance i al to flag the United
States of America to
theice thank you Reverend thank you
council member
Council on Monday we uh looked at 24
items on our consent agenda had
opportunity to review and staff had also
uh made a point of uh reviewing them
with us in advance does any council
member want to move any consent item to
action for discussion and separate vote
I think we already have one already one
I understand I'm asking anything on the
consent no un let ready for a motion
mayor if not uh a motion would be
appropriate mayor council member Stewart
move to approve the consent agenda of
April 18th 20124 regular meeting items 1
through 24 I second that mayor we have a
motion and a second um Council any
recusals or reasons to not vote on any
of these seeing not let's
vote motion carries
unanimously right thank you
Council next on our agenda is item
number
25 and here's how we're going to do this
tonight uh I will invite staff to come
up and give a briefing uh Council will
engage and ask questions and uh pick the
brains of our fine staff uh we'll then
invite the uh the zoning Atty or
presenters for QT to come up after that
I I have a stack of of comment cards and
we will invite each person to come up
you have up to three minutes and uh
please don't make a remind you that your
three minutes are over so if you could
respect uh the the days there the gr
light will be green for two minutes and
30 seconds it will turn yellow and that
it'll turn red so if you can wrap up
your comments during the yellow portion
we also have a number of items that have
just uh been uh brought in as comment
cards and these will be part of the
record and we'll make sure that they get
in the record but uh they're pretty
similar and almost identical to all of
the comments that people want to talk
about so I'm not going to read them
separately so with that right city of
chanler thank you uh good evening mayor
and Council my name is Ben cetes I'm a
city planner here with the city of China
planning division
feel like I'm having so all right this
is a presentation um can you guys see
that by the way I apologize the
presentation this is a presentation on
PL
23-44 Quick Trip convenience store and
gas
station uh this is a project site
location it is um the store it is on the
North host on the northwest corner of
Ray Road and Dobson Road
the request before you is an amendment
to the P Zoning for commercial uses to
permit a fuel service station with
convenience store one thing I want to
clarify is that uh by right you're able
to do a convenience store in C in
commercial Zone properties the reason
why this is coming before you is because
the fuel component that does require a
resoning to allow for the for the fuel
component of the proposed business and
the applicant is also requesting a
preliminary development plan for site
layout and Building architecture for a
fuel station with convenience
or council member steart real quick why
why is the resoning required for fuel is
that something that's an ordinance that
was put in place by previous councils
correct so it is required either um you
have to go through a use permit process
to go and get the fuel service station
or you can reson the
property all right a little bit about
the proposal uh the subject site is
about 2.51 net Acres
the proposed convenience store would be
about
5,312 ft and the proposed fuel canopy
would be about
7,287 square feet uh they are requesting
a total of eight fuel pumps um the code
requires a total of 30 parking spaces
and they are requesting uh
50 uh just to elevation for for um city
council and the mayor to
see this would be the elevation of the
proposed Quick
Trip all right so the neighborhood
Outreach the applicant mailed out the
notice to all Property Owners within 600
feet uh and to HOAs and registered
neighborhood organizations within a
quarter mile of the subject site a
neighborhood meeting was held on October
3rd of 2023 with 25 neighbors and
attendance meeting signs were posted on
the site and on social media via next
door as of writing this memo staff is
aware of support and opposition to the
request all right so this case did come
before city council uh last month in
March uh the applicant did request to
continue the case to April so that we
have a little bit more time to host
another neighborhood meeting a second
neighborhood meeting was held on April
3rd with 20 individuals in attendance
that does not include City staff or the
applicants um or their team um a meeting
sign was posted on site and on social
media via next
door uh the applicant mailed out notices
to all Property Owners within 600 feet
and to HOAs and registered neighborhood
organizations within a quarter
mile uh some concerns from the from the
second neighborhood meeting were the
same uh that were bought up during the
first meeting which were traffic uh
safety crime and potential
transits uh in conclusion there are
seven individuals who spoke in
opposition and two individuals who spoke
in support of the
request all right so uh I'm sure city
council and mayor have seen there have
been quite a few emails and letters sent
to to the city so
um we the concerns were potential
Transat increase in crime and traffic so
in opposition we have 39 confirmed
Channel homes two businesses eight with
no address or they're located from the
county uh in total 49 total emails and
letters were provided to staff um in our
position to the request in support we
have 16 confirmed Chandler homes 14
businesses uh 10 with no address or the
located within the county and 65 oh
sorry and 65 total emails and letters in
support of the
request all right so we did receive a
few petitions for the request um we did
receive three petitions uh provided uh
opposing the request the first one was
an online petition through change.org uh
44 stated Channel homes were in
opposition to the request 52 non-channel
homes and one no City uh address was no
um City no address was provided and 97
total signatures in opposition through
that
petition we also did receive a written
petition in opposition to the request
with 214 confirmed Chanel homes in
opposition to the request 78 non-chan
homes 109 no addresses provided for a
total of 401 total signatures for that
petition in
allos and then lastly we did receive a
petition in opposition uh on April 17th
with 33 Channel homes in opposition to
the request uh in total we have 291
total chall homes opposed to the request
all right and um late last evening and
early this morning uh we did receive one
petition provided uh supporting the
request it was a written petition with
483 confirmed Channel homes in support
of the request 920 non Chanel homes uh
in support 4 43 no addresses provided um
and so there was a total of 2,257
signatures on this petition uh City
staff didn't have the time to go through
every single one so there are still
811 uh not finished confirming if that
property is within the city or county
wherever it may
be uh in conclusion 483 confirmed
Channel homes are in support of the
request all right
mayor council member oranda I don't want
to dice this too much but in all
fairness do we were we able to dice out
who is the most impacted who support and
oppos to it as opposed to someone just
living in Jam that likes
qts yeah uh through the mayor uh council
member orando for this one if the
question is uh with regards to the
proximity uh to the property is that
correct yeah yeah for that one we didn't
go into that much detail how close the
properties are in opposition or support
to I know you got a lot of things to do
but I appreciate you been looking at
that I and we have it kind of conforms
to what we were getting somebody emails
folks would just say I live in the area
and I support her or I live in the area
and I don't support it so
we got a be f for that thank you thank
you all right so planning a zoning
commission recommendation it was motion
to approve uh with four in favor and one
opposed and the concerns from the uh
planning zoning commissioner were
increase in traffic insurance and with
two uh Planning and Zoning commissions
uh absent which was uh which were
absent um during planning zoning
commission uh pnz did ask for someon
Hamp enhancements which are shown on the
plans that are provided in front of you
today which include pedestrian path off
the Upson road which was provided and
increase the tree size as
well all right staff recommendation it
is consistent with the general plan uh
the proposal does meet all zoning code
standards meet setbacks lock coverage uh
parking
Etc and uh Planning and Zoning
commission does recommend
approval and this concludes planning
staff's
presentation so let me start with a
couple questions and and maybe these
will get bounced to the QT
side um is someone going to talk about
traffic and and what we're doing in the
uh with the traffic improvements and uh
independent of of this action what that
will look like and and its goal will so
I'd like to know about that do we have a
staff person or was that covered by the
uh by QT so uh through the mayor uh
mayor through the mayor mayor uh we do
have a a staff member present our
traffic engineer that can answer any
questions regarding the CIP project um
maybe it's best if maybe the applicant
does do their presentation they do touch
a lot on traffic and a lot of the
concerns that the residents had okay so
maybe I'll come back or or Council will
after we listen to them um secondly
there's um there's been a lot of comment
about gas stations and crime
uh so a couple of things is is there and
city manager I know you and I talked
about this is there any does QT stand
out as being um more inclined to
criminal activity for example than a
Circle K a Chevron or anything else is
there is there something about them do
we have data that would support that and
and uh apart from that you know what
what data do we have I guess on gas
stations to start with whether there's
one or two or or whatever around do you
can you answer that uh mayor that's
probably a question that is best
answered by the applicant um that you
have some information on how they deal
with transients um any concerns crime
that might occur on the property you're
doing an excellent job of deflecting my
questions to somebody else well played
sir Council any questions from your part
before we uh invite the applicant
up uh we can go back if necessary but
they might they might have also left um
council member Alice U you said pnz is
weing in the project how much did it
pass pnz I many four how many uh yeah
let me go back to
41 4 41 okay thank you you're welcome
any additional questions mayor council
I'd love to hear from CH if there's a
difference in
the I'm sorry is Brian here Chief
Chapman he's delegating take
both um just some feedback on Transat
and crime at different brands of gas
stations uh in the in the uh Chana
Market so good evening mayor and Council
so just in preparation for this meeting
uh the police department uh reviewed the
four Quick Trip locations within our
city and we analyzed the data the calls
for service at those locations from
March 5th of 2023 to March 5th of
2024 the four locations in Chandler for
quick trip we have are Arizona and
Warner Arizona Avenue in Germaine
McQueen and Chandler Boulevard and then
Queen Creek and Gilbert Road so when we
were analyzing this data we separated
the calls for service into criminal and
non-criminal because the concern here
was about criminal activity at these
locations and so when I speak to
criminal offenses we're looking at
things such as theft trespassing
disorderly conduct or a warrant arrest
something where there was a criminal
offense and someone was arrested or
charged when we looked at non-criminal
events we're looking something as simple
as like a vehicle lockout maybe a
traffic accident that occurred there um
public information or potentially
suspicious activity but it didn't result
in anything criminal related um so as we
as we reviewed this information um we
looked at location based calls meaning
that quick trip is the location that the
um that the offense or the caller
service occurred but it wasn't
necessarily maybe a crime that occurred
there so it could be something as simple
as um an accident was reported and the
individuals pulled off into the Quick
Trip um parking lot and that would
generate a call for service at quick
trip so when we specifically looked at
see if my my uh slide is up here I get
some help with that
okay so the map that you have in front
of you uh we pulled um three specific
locations we pulled the Quick Trip at
Arizona and Warner and then the Circle K
at Knox in Alma School and then the
Chevron located at Ray and Dobson so you
have all three of the major convenience
uh convenience stores within our city
the number that you see Associated next
to Quick Trip Circle K and Chevron that
is the criminal calls for service that
occurred during that that year's time
period that that I pulled so you'll see
that all three of those locations had
relatively the the same amount or
similar amount of criminal calls for
service what this doesn't show is that
quick trip um did have an increased
amount of non-criminal calls for service
they were higher um than the other two
locations but again like I mentioned
before those could be those could be for
a variety of reasons that were
non-criminal
related and chief why I mean just for
sake of argument why these I saw one of
each but why these three was it just out
of Randomness or no so I specific mayor
I specifically chose this location
because Ray and Dobson is the is the
area that this location is looking to be
the quick trip is looking to build upon
so these are three in the relatively
close U convenience store locations
within that area that is relatively the
same crime okay and could staff please
put that back up
again could we see that again yes okay
thank
you okay thank you any additional
questions for chief T yeah council
member Orlando so I understand crime and
call for service what was the call for
services other than crime for these
three
areas so the the breakdown it could be
accidents no what was do you have
numbers yes I do have
ask so for the total calls for service
at the uh Arizona Avenue and cor it was
128 total so 39 of those were criminal
89 of those were non-criminal this is at
the QT correct okay go ahead and then
the see sorry I have to look at all my
notes
here at the uh Chevron at Dobson and Ray
uh there were a total of 55 calls for
service 37 of those were criminal and 18
of those were
non-criminal and then the Circle K at
Alma School and Knox 95 total calls for
service 38 criminal and 57
non-criminal okay thank you follow
question Chief thank you um so I think
what neighbors are concerned about is
like radiant crime like spilling into
the neighborhoods people you know
they're being more traffic and then that
moving into the neighborhood somebody
going back to drink beer or just hanging
out in the neighborhood because they
stopped somewhere and they're and
they're do we have any data on what's
happened to around these uh gas stations
are these convenience stores in those
areas mayor like is there a heat map
that like is it is there more crime near
convenience door so through the mayor
council member Stuart um I don't have
any specific heat map related
information for calls uh extended calls
for service outside of the of the Quick
Trip um and I would I would not be able
to speak accurately to that right
now any additional additional questions
rich Chief vice mayor yes thank you
mayor um Chief I wanted to know um in
terms of um how um what is you're you're
out there in the community you're
monitoring various businesses like gas
stations as well what do you normally
see in terms of how people navigate
through the community or how they
approach or attend or go get gas what is
what is the normal behaviors of a driver
who's looking for gas to you share
that or what you normally see in the
community I know it's kind of out there
but just kind of want to lay it out
there so uh mayor uh vice mayor uh
Harris so what I can tell you is that
convenience stores with whether in the
city of Chandler any City are are
extremely popular um there uh you know
as we drive throughout our community we
need to fuel we need fuel or there's a
need for the convenience store the
convenience factor whether there's food
or drink inside so they generate a lot
of business and so throughout our
throughout our Community you're going to
see an increased um traffic or volume at
all of the convenience stores throughout
our city because there's a there's a
essential need there so I guess and more
specifically do you like gas stations or
qts are these like destination do you
see dead traffick or or like is this
like a destination spot like I'm
traveling to this spot for a destination
do you see it more encompassing just the
community or just the area that's you
know are they more servicing the area
that they're in or is it a destination
spot that I got to go there mayor mayor
this Mr Mayor vice mayor this might be a
better question for our traffic
engineering folks I think you're talking
more about driver Behavior than the
criminal aspect okay so we do have staff
here that can address that as well okay
I can reserve it for staff for other
staff thank you Chief council member
post thanks Chief do you have any
information on maybe the unhoused
population I know that was a bit of a
concern too that this might attract
people living there or I don't know can
handling whatever did you pull any
information on
that the mayor counc Post in I actually
would defer to Leah for that information
thank you Leah
pal thank you Chief thanks
Chief good evening mayor and councel um
thank you very much to the mayor and
council member Poston we did take a look
at convenience stores and Quick Trip in
in specifically in the city c a Chandler
and um to let you know the database that
we use the homeless management
information system does not pinpoint
down to a specific address but it
pinpoints to a specific geographic
location in this case it was the
intersections so we actually Dove back
into the specific cases and we're not
able to find any correlation between an
increase in homelessness and quick trip
um as a matter of fact in the area that
we had the highest level of interaction
with The Navigators
the it was really one individual that
accounted for the majority of the
interactions and that individual was
actually living in an alley behind
another business in that intersection
and the additional people there were
panhandling in their intersection but
not on the QT side um so we did create a
heat
map show you here that
show so basically again we looked at all
three locations and and the interactions
um through the years we have one of the
Q QT locations covering Queen Creek
location there was Zero interaction with
Navigators over a 2-year time period and
then the highest number of interactions
were at the Arizona and Warner and over
two years that was 33 but again one
individual accounted for about 20 of
those those
interactions I'm sorry can we get it
dialed in it's a little fuzzy yes unless
that's my
eyes oh there we go okay good
thank you better thank
you council member post leak do you
think you could repeat I apologize
repeat what you said I was kind of busy
looking sure sure absolutely the the
location so one of our the of the four
Quick Trip locations in Chandler one of
them had zero interactions with the
navigation team over a two-year time
period the one that had the most number
of interactions was at Arizona and
Warner in over a 2-year time period
there were 33 interactions but one
individual alone accounted for about 20
of those and that was the individual
that was living in the alley at an
adjacent or a business actually across
the street from the quick trip but it
registered on that
intersection thanks Leah does does it
seem to be um an attraction because it's
a convenience store or because or based
on maybe location anyway through the
mayor and council member Poston it would
be location anyway because again we
could not tie anything specifically to
the Quick Trip even looking at the case
notes that were associated with the
numbers that you see on the heat map so
it tended to be just the general area
rather than the specific convenience
store okay thank
you council member Els now if I was
comparing this heat map with let's say
for example um one that we have right
here on Arizona Arizona and fry what
would you say the the numbers will show
pretty much council member excuse me
through the mayor council member Ellis
because of the way that hmis data is
collected um that it's very hard to
pinpoint that also to the convenience
center because actually our address
pulls up as the same location as the
convenience center on the heat map so as
you know we have people coming in
looking for services because they see
housing on the outside of our building M
so the numbers are skewed for that
location um and unfortunately we can't
drill it down to that specific business
because of that now may please to say
that uh this particular location it will
attract more transient it will attract
more homeless people knowing the fact
that we have seven Navigators in the
street doing that work which personally
myself I have seen those numbers in the
corners totally almost disappearing now
since we're doing all that work will
that be a fair fair statement to say
that this will be this particular
location in view of all the other
location that we just looked at that are
not showing that will this particular
one be the one where they will actually
show up too through the mayor council
member Ellis yes we have found no data
to support a correlation between an
increased number of people experiencing
homelessness and quick trip specifically
the intersection that is under question
we do not have and a tremendous number
of people in that intersection that are
experiencing homelessness what we do
tend to find is repeat group of
panhandlers that will go to prize
they're a very well-known group of pan
handlers um they are basically on a
circuit not just in Chandler but around
the valley and are not experiencing
homelessness however they portray
themselves to be experiencing
homelessness that is the majority of the
calls that we get for that
intersection and whether they are across
the street at the Chevron or at fry it
will register in that corner right now
do the mayor council M Ellis that is
correct and just looking at your map I I
I think again I understand the Arizona
Corridor uh where the heat map is is
more strong because we also have more
services there with uh Salvation Army
with the city with the S with others so
I people are going to I mean it it makes
sense if you're going to get a a call
that they might be but just looking at
this map I'd be hard pressed
to say that there's really any specific
store or or any gas station that becomes
a magnet would you would you agree with
my assessment apart from the the
downtown Arizona Avenue and certainly it
seems to be a cluster in the West
Chandler a little bit but on close to
the freeway yes through mayor hary and
Council yes that is absolutely correct
from what we have seen we cannot tie
anything to any specific convenience
store as being a higher magnet for
people experiencing homelessness than
any other location any other convenience
store um and as you pointed out on the
west side we see that spread out amongst
some of the hotels that are over there
as well as some of the convenience
stores and other businesses in that area
um also some of the vacant property
that's in the industrial area there are
a number of calls for service again
repeat individuals that are in those
areas that have still some vacant lots
and um one other piece of data I do want
to share is that every time our
navigation team inter acts with someone
who at least will give their name if
they don't give any type of identifying
information it will not necessarily get
logged in the hmis system but anytime
they interact with anyone that they can
identify it gets logged in the system so
again if somebody comes into our office
looking for a bus pass it's going to get
logged into the system okay uh Council
any other questions for Le all
right thank you um Council would I mean
I'm I'm also itching to talk to traffic
but I wonder if we should maybe let's
allow the uh the presenter to come and
then we'll follow up whatever they don't
cover with their own traffic so is the
presenter here yeah please state your
name and address and uh and make your
case thank you mayor for your record my
name is Brian greous with the law firm
bch and
ciolo our firm has been representing QT
for more than 20 years and with me
tonight from QT is Daniel Chambers I've
been working with this on this case with
and many other cases in the valley uh we
also have Jamie blakeman who's going to
help augment my presentation tonight
she's with she's the principal of locah
group who's our traffic engineer on our
team we also have other team members
with us tonight as well um I'd be
remissed if I didn't um say that we we
appreciate staff's recommendation of
approval we appreciate your Planning and
Zoning commission's recommendation of
approval uh and we accept all
stipulations that are in the staff
report uh that's provided from staff to
you
all um I guess I would need a
presentation up here
mayor just a technical question here
staff is recommending approval or
there's recommending its
conformance uh the mayor council member
Orlando uh planning is zing commission
and staff are recommending approval you
both are officially okay right because
the original one I saw was
recommending the the variance okay
that's I just want to double check that
thanks welcome
I always assume the younger the person
that comes to settle technical problems
are the most qualified you're actually
usually wrong but it's on my side
today I used to be the one who had to
come here and do it for Ed
bull hopefully 's now
watching all right um at the last city
council meeting on March 21st you all um
approved our request for continuance and
we're grateful for that
and so what's happened since March
21st um we held a follow-up neighborhood
meeting as staff presented uh we sent
out 421 invites for that we had more
than 20 attendees we heard and address
concerns regarding traffic uh and safety
it's been a common theme throughout this
process uh and we also heard support for
a new QT store um after that meeting we
were thinking what's what's next what's
what should we do now and it was in
person
community outreach so uh we brought Tom
billstein and his wife Christa Bilstein
on board and their team helped us with
that neighborhood Outreach um we heard
an outpouring of support we have
1,359 letters here individually signed
by people within Chandler boundaries um
and 1,359 of those are Chandler
residents 898 are individuals who who
signed and live in the area but aren't
necessarily Chandler
residents um and then 14 letters of
support from businesses
mayor thank you can I see uh are those
form letters I guess yeah can I see one
of them and then one from the businesses
that signed absolutely thank
you you don't want me bring them all up
there
and I can show you a summary map here as
well this is the map of everybody who
signed do you all have this presentation
on your
screens okay there it is
okay it wasn't on these screens for for
a
minute so these are the this is a map of
the letters that we have signed in
support from individuals as you can see
they're in
Chandler um these are support letters we
received from businesses at the
northeast corner of the same
intersection of Ray and Dobson and the
southeast corner of Ray and
Dobson so moving on could you go back to
that for a second just yes yeah thank
you okay thank you for my part you're
welcome so I'd like to take a quick
moment to show um Everybody in the in
the audience today what's proposed um on
this site with a new QT
store as you can see um we're not not
changing any of the existing driveway
locations so traffic patterns will
remain as they have for the last 20
years uh we will be demolishing the
vacant OS Osco building that's a 177,000
squ foot building we'll be replacing it
with a 5,000 sqt QT store and eight fuel
stations there's expansive landscape
buffers around the site along Ray and
Dobson the QT building is more than 350
ft away from the nearest home as you
know that's more than a football field
and you can see a football field up on
the top left hand of the screen of yeah
the
screen this these next few perspectives
are working around the site from the
existing driveway on
Railroad down raay
Road this is looking at from the
intersection now we're on Dobson Road
looking at the front of the QT
store and completing at the existing
driveway on on Dobson
Road so staff touched on it a little bit
but I want to take just two slides here
real quick this property was owned in
1998 to pad and it allows C2 uses today
uh the vacant there is a vacant Osco
building on the site uh I can't think of
a use that attracts vagrancy more than a
vacant building so infill Redevelopment
is necessary on the
site this site will develop with
something and QT is a great infill
Redevelopment opportunity on this site
and they have strong sustaining power
because they're a good reputable
company so what could be developed on
this site could be a couple fast food
restaurants with drive-throughs could be
some retail opportun unities could be a
convenience market like a QT store not
the fuel stations but a store or a
7-Eleven or Joe's mini market or a
number of other uses and as you heard
staff say what we what are we requesting
here today we're essentially requesting
eight fuel stations and to give you a
context of how large eight fuel stations
are that's the same size as the Chevron
across the street they have eight fuel
stations QT will have eight fuel
stations
so we're going to jump into some common
concerns um traffic and safety that's
what we've been talking about since our
first neighborhood meeting on this on
this case so I'd like to bring up uh
Jamie blakeman from oahi to address some
traffic
concerns good evening mayor and Council
I'm Jamie blakeman um with locah uh our
address is 1055 North 114th Street in
Scottdale so I am the traffic engineer
for this project um and uh I really am
excited to go through this I first of
all I know there's a lot of concern
about this and I would like
to walk you all through the process of
traffic engineering hopefully all can
follow along um first of all the traffic
team for Quick Trip has no traffic
concern concerns the city of Chandler
traffic group has no traffic concerns so
we are the Traffic Engineers and I'm
going to let you know that both sides
this is where we land
so
traffic I'm really hoping y all follow
along with this so a quick trip
certainly has a lot of folks coming in
and out there's a lot of activity
anytime I'm there I'm never alone
there's people heading in and out so we
see that activity and we assume that
that represents new traffic but in
reality and these are all Based on data
points national standards formulas
fitted curves that's all accepted by my
practice so quick trip is going to
result in about 4,000 trips in and out
of their uh
development but of those 4,000 trips I
have circled here
3,100 let's just say 3,00 because these
are
approximate are pass by trips so with
gas stations convenience stores this is
data points percentages that I am
required to use that are published in a
manual that says this is what we know of
this type of development so 75% 76% of
it is pass by meaning those vehicles are
already on that roadway not new on that
R roadway so let's for a minute let's
focus on this
3,000 so what this is saying and so we
even distribute this so what this is
saying Dobson Road currently has about
12,000
trips of those 12,000 trips that is not
increasing but a thousand of those
already existing 11,800 trips 1,100 of
of them are going to turn in to the
quick trip go grab their gas go grab
their drink and keep on going that's not
new it's staying the same so that's how
you get 1,000 right so remember it's
3,000 pass by trips so here's where you
get your other two and this is weighted
we we weight this based on the road so
I'm going to flip back again
11,000 1,000 so you get that proportion
so now here's where you're at 20,000 so
we're saying double right 2,000 of that
is of that 20,000 trips already is going
to be using the 2,000 of it is going to
be using the quick trip no new trips
that's the
3,000 so now let's talk about the
remaining
1,000 so the 1,000 are new trips that is
being added to Dobson and Ray in that
area so when we're talking about new
trips we're talking about folks who are
not already along the roadway who are
now going to Destin to that
location so these would be things like
employees folks like
employees deliveries gas deliveries chip
deliveries I don't know who delivers the
hot dogs but it would be those folks
right who isn't driving already happen
to be driving along Ray Road and decides
turn into CIT chip they are starting
from a destination elsewhere in route
GPS yes to this quick trip they are the
new trip so the Thousand is the new
trip so as we go through this as we
already talked about this a convenience
Source can already go there commercial
development can go there restaurants can
go there fast food can go there a
pharmacy is already there so when we
look at this the pharmacy and drugstore
when we talk about new trips if this was
was if the Osco was
open their new trips exceeds that
1,000 so do you see that this Osco if it
was open is actually adding more to Dos
in Array than the Quick Trip
does I have if you look at the little
blue table at the bottom I am it's in
Little Numbers but you'll also see that
the pharmacy also has pass by so there
is a percentage of pass by that you kind
of go past and on you're like oh shoot
that's right I need this you hop in you
hop out again that's not new but if you
look at the pass by percentages it's
less and that's what makes the
difference is that a convenience store
and a gas station is high percentage of
pass by it just is so let me show you
another use fast food with
drive-throughs again the new trips
1,200 Quick Trip 1,000
fast food without drive-thru chipot ways
pandas we all love
them 2200 new
trips Quick Trip
1,000 coffee donut
shops
2,600 new trips Quick Trip
1,000 so
now so now when we talk about can these
roadways handle the capacity of this
additional 1,000 trips right because the
3,000 is already there Dobson Road is
built to handle 36,000 Vehicles a
day with the crck trip it will be at
24,000 and I'll mind you we assigned all
1,000 trips to exit on Dobson
Road which in reality there's going to
be a split of that
1,000 some will be on Dobson some will
be on Ray so in reality this 24,000 is
more than what we it it really is going
to be in reality we have overestimated
the capacity here and so another thing I
want to talk about in terms of capacity
of a road so uh in tribute to quick trip
if you're looking for a little drink
like a 12 oce drink you head into Quick
Trip and you grab your 12 O cup and you
fill that
up now that's like a roadway if we're
wanting if we're looking to fit few
volumes we're looking for the little cup
we have a narrow a smaller roadway with
fewer Lanes right and our ultimate goal
is to use that to capacity you fill your
cup up you're not going to fill part of
it up you're going to fill it up that's
the point of the road now we don't want
it overflowing if it's overflowing we
need a bigger cup we need more Lanes so
that's what a road is designed to do so
now if you look at the capacity of this
roadway we build it to handle that much
traffic because we want that there we
want that level if not we should be
building smaller so in reality by not
wanting this to be filled is like saying
you're going into Quick Trip grabbing
your 36 oce cup and filling it to 12
oun you're we're building infrastructure
to hold the capacity for a reason so
there is adequate capacity on Dobson
Road same thing with railroad there is
adequate cap capacity for 54,000
vehicles with the Quick Trip all new
trips which is not true but all new
trips dumping onto railroad we sitting
at
42,000 Brian kind of covered all of this
all access points all circulation
remaining the same the shared access
with Tutor Time is already in place we
are not changing any of that and no
matter what goes there
the shared access continues to
remain so now let's talk about the
capital Improvement project so this is
completely independent and not part of
quick trip this is happening as a result
of the good work that your city folks
have done so there is a capital
Improvement project that is already
funded already underway I believe
already in different phases of
design what is happening along this
roadway and this is a Safety project
it's been identified as safety funds as
well as overall Improvement of the
intersection there are going to be
raised medians on all four
legs there are going to be dual left
turn Lanes on all four
legs there is going to be right turn
lanes and bike
Lanes we can get into protected left
turn lanes and things of that if you
want to but I'll save that for later so
that said when we talk about this
intersection the improvements that you
guys are making with your CIP
when we look at crash data so this is
2021 and 2022 crash data we didn't have
2023 just yet but if you look here all
the way to the right hand side there are
a total of 27 crushes in 2021 36 in
2022 and if you look at the different
categories of
crashes angle crushes head-on crushes
left turn crushes and S SES those four
categories the improvements you guys are
making at this intersection is targeting
the reduction or if ideally the
elimination of those four crash types
now
unfortunately at every signal rear
ends actually happen as a result of
putting in signals when you put a signal
in rear ends occur so those are to be
anticipated at a signal other I don't
know what other is but in reality your
project is is making this intersection
safer mayor ccil start um city manager
what's the timeline on that intersection
blowout Mr Mayor uh council member
Stewart there is H Federal money as Miss
blakean mentioned and that is for
construction in 2026 is when that
funding has been approved we are
currently in the design phase you have
approved a contract for that the
previous so it's already in process to
improve correct what's the what's the
timeline on this project when when when
would this be how far out would this
take we are these lining up I'm sorry
city manager are these lining up if they
were
to Mr mayor council M Stewart I don't
know the exact timeline of the
construction of quick trip if you were
to approve that um that would be a
question for the applicant but again our
project would not commence construction
until the funding was available in 2026
2026 is when we would turn the light
that is when we were slated because it's
on the federal schedule you're coming in
before that if this were to get pass
anticipates opening this door in
approximately 18 months which would be
end of
2025 hey since we took a little break in
from your from your groove there let me
ask a couple questions one about traffic
and two about some of the previous stuff
so as I looked at your map and it looks
like the only difficult access to get in
here is probably going to be heading
East on Railroad if I was heading North
I could turn left if I was heading south
right if I'm heading heading west I can
turn right so what is the how would
someone get in there if they're heading
East on Ray
Road that's a super great question and
that is actually my next slide okay so
as we talked about this Pro this the
trip generation and how much of it 75%
75 76% of it is folks already in that
direction is convenience store because
it's
convenient so what we are looking at
here is the Quick Trip is really serving
those that are headed southbound and
those that are headed
westbound the Chevron is there to serve
those headed eastbound those headed
Northbound that is the design of it now
are people from other directions going
even other ways
sure yeah and I would I would also say
that if you're heading north you could
you could turn left and then right and
the same going south into the Chevron
and there's ways it's just both of these
are convenient for three out of the four
for the most part um all right I thank
you I understand that my other question
is when you were talking
about um the data with other stores is
that is that based on traffic in this is
that based on a real store within a mile
how does that work when you're talking
about a drugstore or um a convenience
store or a or a Circle K with a
drive-thru where did how did you calc or
how does Circle K calculate those types
of numbers with to apply to this
particular intersection I me if it was
in downtown someplace else it the the
numbers could skew if it was more rural
so how how did you come to those numbers
in comparison to QT sure mayor um the
way that trips are calculated we have
National formula data points so there's
graphs that all these data points of
different like let's just say the
convenience store gas station that
they're plotted from around the United
States and it has to go through a really
long process to even be vetted and be
allowed to be a data point and along
that data point there's size and there's
trips and there's best fitted curves and
linear equations that go into them to
determine formulas that we use and they
are completely what we use in in our
profession it it is widely accepted it
is the only accepted method that I know
that we use so let me let me follow up
then so the data points is it based upon
what you described as as trips which
would be a real hard number I I presume
not just capacity but real traffic
numbers are would it be based upon uh a
square mile of Pop
or I mean uh I'm trying to apply that
data to this intersection as much as I
can as opposed to being a national data
point so hone that in for me please so
mayor this the the data it doesn't look
at the area right it looks at averages
and there's we have minimums maximums so
we know where the data points fit
between so at the end of the day we use
best fitted curve for this okay so are
you almost again I don't want to put
words in your mouth I'm honestly trying
to understand this so I guess I'm I'm
asking then is are those same data
points would that be used
for cassad Grand or Sierra Vista you
know population centers that are
significantly smaller or would it be u a
dense Downtown Phoenix I'm because again
I I would say there's some skewed I I
would not be able to apply if you if I
could walk across the street in the
middle of the day and there's no traffic
then I would I would challenge the data
point not you see where I'm coming from
if I was in you know
uh some little town so that bring that
back to me again for this area a town of
287,000 because again that what you're
saying doesn't quite resonate with me so
apply it again to this area so I would
say if anything this Falls in line with
that when you're talking about something
that's much more rural that's when we
look at some of the minimums or maximums
or we look at outline data points
because we know that there isn't the
population to pull from right or we look
at somewhere let's just say it's in the
middle of New York which I guess you
wouldn't have that but it's walkable
area we would look to factor that down
if anything but this is the starting
point so the same formula and
methodology and average that I used for
the quick trip is also the same that I
used for the fast and all the other
calculations so across the board it's
the same no reductions were taken or
inflations were taken okay so those May
or not may not be accurate numbers they
are approximations right it gives us a
magnitude of it now these are
individuals and humans who choose to
turn left and right on a a given day
they certainly are your approximations
okay so let me restate in my head what I
heard you say if it was three4 of that
it would be three4 of that for each of
those others so the the comparisons
between the two are accurate but the
numbers themselves might be more or less
depending I mean I've lived in some
cities where I've laid down and looked
at stars or towns in the middle of the
day because there's no traffic uh really
rural places and this wouldn't but even
in those it might be 10 cars that would
go at here and 12 cars to a donut plac
is what you're kind of saying yes that's
the numbers and those are the ones that
we would take our calculation let's just
say for example quick CH War to be in
those type of situations we would apply
factors and reduce it and say it's not
in a typical situation it couldn't
generate 4,000 trips because there's not
4,000 people yeah okay all right thank
you that that helps me quite a
bit council member I think um council
member I'm not sure if the applicant can
answer this or maybe our city staff um
speaking of trips and new trips and
those numbers with traffic which is one
of my main uh concerns here is I wanted
to do know if you guys have the numbers
of comparison of the newest QT here in
Chandler on Chandler Boulevard McQueen
to see what the comparison was prior to
that being built and the new numbers now
with that being built and the traffic
whether the numbers increased decreased
stay the same if you guys can speak to
that or city staff
whichever absolutely I'd be happy to and
your timing is
impeccable check out this next slide
that is um we could do this presentation
100 times and that would never happen so
great work that was not a
setup so this is a real life case study
of Chandler and McQueen and we presented
this uh at our neighborhood meeting that
we held on the 3 um if you even if you
don't believe any traffic engineer that
analyzes and does this as a profession
this is real data uh in 2022 there are
traffic counts
done before the QT was built and it was
52,800 vehicles per day at that
intersection um after the QT was built
traffic counts were taken in that was
5337 vehicles per day which is an
increase of 1% between pre and post QT
being developed and it's a demonstration
of their being
just a massive amount of pass by trips
that go to QT not new trips generated on
the
roadways any further questions council
member no no further questions sir
wanted to see those numbers thank you
absolutely Council ber yeah so I didn't
get a chance to look um were those
averages we presented
earlier or were they high uh what was
the or the means when you look at that
traffic data what exactly were you
trying to express
there mayor councilman Orlando the so
the numbers that we look at are average
weekday volumes over the course of a day
the average day okay I want to double
check you said average okay thank
you uh council member
Ellis excuse me do we have our own our
traffic engineer in here can we please
we'll get back to you Mr thank you
appreciate that I would like you to take
me to that same scenario with what you
have done for that corner when it comes
to the traffic and also the amount of uh
passing by that will stop uh visibly at
uh qti versus keep on going on each side
of the corner whether it's going to be
the the the Chevron or is it going to be
you know eastest West North
South uh yeah um for mayor and council
member Alis so the pass by number they
talks about it it is the number that
getting from the national manual okay
and in general we don't specify what uh
gas station whether it's a qt or Shone
they just specify if there a gas
stations this is the p uh pass by they
will use and the number that just uh
show on on the uh on the screen for the
new gas stations new QT on um chenna and
McQueen those are the accurate number
that from our uh collect data okay good
thank you appreciate that now with the
Ray and
Dobson um I would like to understand
what is it that your study showed uh for
having that QT right there across the
street from the Chevron what will be the
capacity that we can build on that road
to make sure that we allow that traffic
the pass by traffic to continue moving
very fluently and then also if there's
going to be any stop by will that impede
the flowing of the traffic in any shape
of B okay um through the mayor and
council member Alis yes at the uh Ray
and Dobson it will be the same type of H
pass by and in the addition after the
CIP project that um complete there will
be a median on doson so it will restrict
the left turn in on northbound as well
so there will be less of um movement on
on that leg so the again go back to the
pass by traffic it will be the same
percentage whether it's in uh the new
location or the one on chel and
M thank you sir thank you mayor any
additional questions
tra yes so on this 575 new
trips um significantly are we tying that
to the
QT it's only less than a year or about a
year U through the mayor council member
Orlando we don't know the way that we
conduct our traffic count is we put a
counter on each of the four legs we just
count the total number but we don't know
whether they go into uh quick trip or
not
so have we had any uh any major housing
Construction in that area uh through the
mayor and council member Orlando we
don't have we had any new business that
opened up that area uh no we don't
there's a great church across the street
have we had any new churches across the
street I guess I'll get this one but I
no so what I'm hearing you
say we really don't have any major uh
build up building since the QT would
that's correct okay thank you we we do
have Andy's custard that's right oh Andy
custard that would that uh through the
mayor uh council member Orlando is open
after I know we uh collect the data yeah
thank you and I would even you know I
even wonder between 22 and 23 I I don't
know if we ascribed much of still coming
out of covid and 22 or are we thoroughly
if from your opinion where the roads
back to uh capacity and not impacted by
more people working at home has there
been any change that that you could
ascribe to between these two years in
traffic that would affect that uh mayor
so we see the significant decrease in
2020 and 2021 2022 is back to almost pre
pandemic but not quite there yet so but
it's almost back to pre pandemic but
there's no so what you're saying at
least for here does not seem to be it's
either it could be QT it could be Andes
it it could
be they're about the same distance
almost from the freeway so it's it's
hard to say but it's it's not massive is
what you're saying that's correct mayor
okay uh council member one question um
for the CIP project that's going to be
coming in 2026 um you guys just had a
slide or I think the applicant had the
slide um on Ray Road heading south that
entry right now that median is that
median going to remain or going to end
up being solid because there is an entry
point there to turn left into the Tutor
Time area so I'm just wondering how much
is that going to be used as an access
point for people heading east and does
that CIP just because I didn't I didn't
see it right now does that get close up
is it remaining there how ises that
looking through the mayor and council
member Anda uh yes that access will be
remain uh the CIP budget will not touch
that access okay thank you okay and I'd
say almost similar there is there's a
leftand access south of here to QT that
beyond that too so I guess pretty
similar Council M sir good question will
the bus barn or the will that be moved
or will that remain uh uh through the
mayor and council member store the bus
uh will have a uh remain in the same
proximity locations but there will be a
um a bul in so the bus can pull in and
because why now is on the through length
but we are still under design um we are
one of the 10 scenario we don't know we
don't have the final design yet but at
least the the idea is to uh have the bus
pay in the same same proximity with all
these traffic experts here I'm going to
get some education so if a bus pulls in
and somebody's trying to pull it around
to go into the QT is that going to cause
some heartache for for the two like I'm
just thinking in common sense it's like
it seems like that would create some
Collision would we want to move the bus
stop and is that even a fe is that even
feasible uh through the mayor and uh
council member uh s i I believe the bus
spas in the south of the the um Ray roll
or is that the you talk referring the
one that I was just looking at Google
Maps and I saw the bus stop and and one
of the earlier slides there was a bus
stop as well yeah it just seemed like
that so they will they will they will
require a desell ling into uh quick trip
that will be combined with the bus bus
Bay and just like any other combined uh
there will be a bus if there's a bus
there and car would just you know go
around okay so so moving the bus stop is
not an option yeah it's not at least
right now it's not on the on the design
so okay would it would it make sense to
do that if we this were
approved uh that that could be that
could be
determined by the team and okay I thank
you I would I would trust traffic folks
and not us
to he's right there well there there's
the whole company with mag and so mag
mag decides where the bus stops going
they work with us thank
you any additional questions for our
traffic man all right thank you um Mr
Rous thank you mayor
um now that we've all got three
educational credits towards our traffic
engineering degrees would you mind if I
moved on to the safety components please
do
Okay so we've been asked about qt's um
safety policies and trainings for their
for their employees since our first
neighborhood meeting we held with with
the neighborhood um what we what I
learned by talking with QT is they they
they train their employees with a very
finite policy and it's be friendly with
people on the site be fair with them and
be very firm with them if the police
need to be called the police get called
um they they talk a lot with the people
that walk into the stores if you've
walked into a store you probably
remember someone saying welcome in or
welcome in to QT and there's employees
walking around the store cleaning things
talking to people they're out taking the
waste baskets when they get filled up
throwing them out when they're out on
the site they're talking to people it's
all part of the um process of watching
theft and other type of criminal
activities that occur on the site and
it's good customer service um they have
very strict policies on alcohol and
tobacco sales through training and
through
implementation um and they coordinate
regularly with withal
police U oftentimes when I pull into a
QT I see police cars there um getting
their drinks or whatever they're they're
doing there um they also designate their
stores as a safe place what that is is a
place where a youth at risk can go let's
say someone's struggling with some do
domestic abuse problems at home they can
leave that home and go walk to QT and QT
will get them in touch with the right
organization that can help that that
youth at
risk on this particular site there will
be 22 cameras
installed and what that will do is
provide surveillance across 98% of the
site um this this site
plan um follows and qt's design and
their
operations uh follow Chandler Police
Department sep head principles which is
crime prevention through environmental
design um as you can see the bullet
points on the right hand side of this
slide relate to natural Access Control
natural surveillance territorial
reinforcement activity that we were
talking about earlier and maintenance uh
QT does all of those things their their
cashier is oriented towards the front of
the store so when you walk in you get
greeted um they're actively talking with
customers following these principles uh
employees are walking around the site
cleaning and doing different things and
they definitely have regular the
scheduled
maintenance ice yes I actually I just
remember my question that I have
probably for one of the Chiefs but maybe
we can ask it but in terms of the go
back if you can go back to the other
slide right quick please so I know that
there's surveillance cameras and um and
I don't know exactly how this works but
I know we do it in Chandler where
sometimes were're able to tap into the
CCTV uh feed and I wanted to know is
that something that our police
department will have access to is that
something that is a part of the
coordination with the police department
that we have access to your camera fees
and and when there's emergencies and
when there things that's going on so we
can capture real crime real time
crime it's a good question give me one
minute
yeah hello mayor and Council my name is
d Chambers I work for Quick Trip um that
is a great question and that is
something that we do and partner with
local police departments very regularly
we have a group of um people that is
their only job they'll interact and
interface with police and provide the
camera footages needed for their
prosecution or whatever they need it for
so we have a whole group of people that
that's all they
do so just one last question um so so if
there was something that was happening
um police is able to have access to the
footage do they um is is is there a real
time I guess one my question is that I
know that they probably provide that but
is there a real time access or is that
something that we can look at having
real time access so we can tap right
into your feed versus having to show up
and then go through that process is that
possibility is that something you do now
or be open to that's a great question
and I would have to find the answer I
don't know if we've ever given someone
direct access I know we would give you
whatever you guys need we do have live
access to those cameras but I don't know
if we've ever shared that or had a way
for you to tap into our system for that
so I think I I think as we set up a real
look at the possibility of a real-time
crime Center that's that might be an ask
or or or a possibility in the future I
know we're not there yet am I am I right
on that yeah so you have my contact
information when you're ready give me a
call and I'll put you in touch with the
right people great
okay mayor and council members um if I
may I'm going to move on to schools
because we've been asked about how this
will impact the schools in the area um
as you all know because I think you've
seen the email from the the principal of
Satan um we've met with the principal
and another high-ranking individual of
the Catholic dicese uh we Daniel
answered their questions regarding
operations and procedures and policies
with their operations um um we walked
out of there and I asked him in the in
the parking lot what can we tell the
mayor and counsel and other neighbors
that we talk with and I was told we can
tell that everybody that they have no
further concerns or or objections to
QT um we've also had me what like four
or five conversations with with Tutor
Time um at the end of the day what we've
offered them is to provide wayfinding
signage um add in some no parking
signage or t Tutor Time only type
parking signage on The Tutor Time site
if if necessary um we've offered to add
in some speed bumps for them and as of
today I just saw an email from um Ashley
at Tutor Time to Daniel saying yeah we'd
appreciate some speed bumps um and we've
offered to provide some additional
lighting by the The Tutor Time
dumpster this is my last slide so be
before you go there let me just ask an
obvious question is Tutor Time Has This
met their concerns I know you've made
sounds like some concession but you made
a statement about Satan where did was
Tutor Time saying you've met our
concerns as
well Daniel had the most recent
conversation um I spoke today with
Ashley Teague who was the general
manager of the Tutor Time and um when we
brought the speed bumps up she said that
that that will address one of her main
concerns and the other one was adding
the light at the dumpster were her two
big concerns that we would address by
doing those and so we're going to do
those at the time of of building of the
quick trip for
them okay thank
you so why Quick Trip what's we've been
talking about negative things why quick
trip I mean they're the they're the best
inclass um gas station provider and
they're more more than just the gas
station they have a a kitchen where they
make Fresh Foods like grilled cheese
sandwich and croissant sandwiches they
have specialty coffees ice Tre ice teas
smoothies and ice cream this site will
employ dozens of workers where um no
employment is being generated on the
site today um and it'll provide a
significant amount of sales tax revenue
to the city which as you all know is
your lifeline to um providing city
services um and it'll make a good use of
an kind of a rundown old building that's
had a struggle finding a good user um
and at the end of the day it's it's a
low traffic generator compared to other
uses that could be developed on the
site with that we request your uh
approval here tonight in accordance with
your staff's recommendation your
planning commission's recommendation and
the uh 1300 letters in in support from
Chandler residents thank you very
much vice mayor yeah I just wanted to um
just let the the council members know
that I um I did reach out to the
principal SE and he was he was for it
send me a message he let me know that um
SE is for it yeah that that just
happened just literally right
now Council any additional questions to
the
applicant right one one quick one yes
sir so where's two to time so two to
time you said
concessions did was I didn't see a
support letter from them is that correct
I know of no actual support letter or
anything in writing stating their
support did they offer any sort of
reason why they didn't want to do
that that's what Mark answer um she
didn't talking with her um we don't
necessarily go and solicit for her to
get a support letter we just wanted to
be a good neighbor with her and find out
what their could concerns would be and
how we can mitigate them to um just best
we anticipate having a good long
relationship with them and um so we just
wanted to go find out what they needed
but we weren't necessarily seeking any
support letter so those are the she
brought up the items um we had the
communication and I copied Ben on all
the communication with her so the three
of us there just to keep transparency
through this whole process with the city
and everything but okay thank you may
mayor council so if this is approved you
going to put that as a stipulation in
there to work with the tutor
time we're happy to accept the
stipulation if that's if that's what's
necessary and I've had a conversation
with Kevin Mayo about that just so the
City attorney knows that there if there
is a motion made here to approve this we
will we have on rord they'll put that
situation so so let me before I go here
um council members there anything
specific about that or no I just wanted
to make sure that the promises made on
the slide would be translated into a
legal stipulation that there is a motion
made here let's make sure they're
willing to put that in writing and we
could go back our step go back to make
sure that they do satisfy tutor times's
concerns okay can I can I maybe take
that a little more substance if I might
um just to make sure that there is
also um sometimes with other zoning we
just want to make sure that there is
someone there that would be responsive
immediately to and I assume there is
with a manager but if there's a you you
mentioned it being a safe place for kids
or whatever but if Tutor Time or if
other neighbors um have some issues or
complaints is there the assurance that
someone will address answer reach back
out to them as well I think that's what
you're somewhat asking am I correct no
I'm not asking that at all okay I'm
saying this gentleman is up here and I
believe you to saying they have four
things they'll work with Tutor Time okay
and make sure if that does get approved
I'm not saying it will be we will make
sure that the motion maker in the second
adds that stipulation that those four
items will be added to as a stipulation
that you'll do those four things for t
to time so that our staff if they're not
being done could then work with you to
make sure they are done absolutely fair
enough fair enough that's pretty clear I
think friendly fair and firm thank
you I I apolog as I didn't know you were
referring to those specific four things
I thought you were talking about in
general relationship must be my New
Jersey accent when I said Tutor Time I
must have pushed over it right all right
whatever council member I just didn't
understand that you were referring to
those four specific things all right any
additional
questions one minut just a quick one um
really quick just because this is just
being presented to us these letters of
support from the businesses are these
the business owners is it management is
it just an
employee do
know who signed these
letters council member if you would like
me to bring up the um individual who
obtained the signature I'm happy to do
that I believe there's a business card
of every person stapled to the support
letter some of them had
them just got if you knew off the DOT
hi mayor um council member um and scenus
my name is Christa bste and I was the
one that um talked with the businesses
um it was either a general manager or
owner okay yep great and ones without
business cards just don't carry business
cards got you thank you thank you for
clarifying would you say owner uh if the
owner was present some of those are
small businesses so I was able to talk
with a lot of the owners
yeah any additional questions Council
before we um invite our CI this
week all right um it looks like we've
got about eight comment cards and from
my quick peruso they're they're covered
by the speakers and and again these will
be written in as part of the public
comment and and related to this
particular case I'm going to um in the
order that these were brought up to me
I'm going to invite people up if you
will state your name and address for the
record and again you have up to three
minutes and again I'm I'm going to be
pretty hard on the when it turns red
please uh time to vacate so finish your
comments I understand that uh I think
with one or two you've asked for um some
PowerPoint and uh I I'm okay with that
uh but again it's it doesn't give you
more time and regardless if you're
explaining your PowerPoint you still got
three minutes um Council might have
questions for you um so just linger
after your time is over uh until we
invite somebody else up so at this point
let me invite up the first person who
brought in a speaker card David
Miller again Mr Miller state your name
and address and you have up to three
minutes and could we maybe get that
other pile of yeah let's get those out
of his way
um May quick question for you my son's
my it guy and and so he's also a speaker
but yeah I know I know you asked this
last time and I my clarifying was I'll
give you each three minutes okay well
then I'll hand him you can tag finish
yeah okay so can the light can the
lights be on
please all right first one quick just
comment I sent this to all of you a
while back it's a letter from Tutor Time
Ashley we at Tutor Time adamantly do not
support this shoes so this is in writing
from them I just spoke to the other
administrator general manager at four
o'clock today driving in Rosa aano and
they 100% uh support us and do not uh
support QT on their Corner because of
the safety for their children so I've
got it in writing and I just spoke to
them vvo so I'd like to start you're
you've already 30 seconds in okay um my
name is David
and my wife shelle and my son Bryce have
been the owners of the market Chevron
for over 28 years we are the members of
the Anderson Springs homers Association
and are very vested in our community and
its safety we're here tonight to object
to the rezoning of the northwest corner
Dobson and Ray which will allow quick
trip to build a large corporate gas
station in a week leading up to the
first neighborhood meeting in October
last year we gathered over 500
signatures that oppose the rezoning from
residents that live work and have
children attending school in the area
as an Anderson Springs HOA member for 28
years I am here today to speak and to
represent hundreds of residents I have
spoken to over the past six months since
the notice reone was posted your
decision today carries profound
implications for the safety well-being
and future of our community families and
children I ask you carefully to consider
arguments against this development
schools both Tutor Time and seatan
Preparatory School share common property
lines with Qui quick Trip's proposed
location Anderson Elementary and Junior
High are both just up the street
children commonly walk and ride their
backs past the proposed Quick Trip
location in addition parents drop off
and pick up their children at the same
time gas stations have their greatest
amount of trapping the peak periods the
danger this will bring to families and
children is unacceptable somebody will
get hurt traffic the intersection of
dobs and Ray currently has 64,66 cars
per day traveling through it it's been
ranked the third most dangerous
intersection in chamar there's almost
weekly accidents and just up to this
meeting I've witnessed about seven since
the continuation of the last Quick Trip
will bring an influx of traffic with
cars turning in and out of their
driveways which will put motorists and
children in
danger the traffic study done done by
quick trips consultant presents serious
flaws and omissions as highlighted by
the compreh R hensive analysis conducted
by AGL traffic engineerings Albert letus
we have provided you with that study
since one quick trip since the one quick
trip had done was so incomplete and only
addressed part one trip generation and
not Parts two and three trip
distribution and traffic impact that
there that are required in a traffic
stud his findings underscore Albert's
the grave inadequacy of the letter
written by quick trip
I'll pass
on thank you mayor vice mayor and
council members mayor mayor May mayor
I'm sorry I um I know you're running
this meeting and I respect that um we
gave the applicant almost an hour and
these gentlemen have a detailed
engineering report here and I'd really
like to step through this without having
to rapidly ex answer every other qu
answer you're making so um with in due
to respect I'd really would like to hear
this traffic report if specifically
specifically if it has additional
questions that the in the owner that we
just heard about 30 minutes of her
presentation of her traffic report so
council member most of these are also
against that are talking and I I believe
there will be a fair time for that so
let's I will let I want to go to the
traff report and make sure we understand
this without um you know running through
this this okay my heart's racing I I I
was talking so fast okay the traffic
letter done by quick trips consultant
presents serious flaws and omissions as
highlighted by the comprehensive
analysis conducted by AGL traffic
engineering's Albert letus who has over
50 years experience throughout Maricopa
and panel
County um we provided you with that
study since one since a one quick trip
andone was so incomplete and only
addressed part one trip General eration
and not Parts two and three trip
distribution and traffic impact that are
required in such study his findings
underscore the grave inadequacy of the
letter written by quick trips consultant
AGL traffic engineering did a did a more
comprehensive study and the results
clearly stated that this is not an
appropriate location for a hi trffic
volume generator like quick Mayer okay
so what is this two and three class
thing you're talking about
okay right here um was was his fir first
pass it says I went back and looked at
their TI study couldn't figure out why
it was such a small study turns out it
was only onethird complete there are
three parts to a TI the first part is
trip generation which they did but the
second part is called trip distribution
which allocates the general percent of
total trips in a regional orientation of
where trips are coming from to and from
northsouth east and west of the site
then this information is used to assign
an estimate of peak hours directional
movements in and out of the site
driveways very important to know they
did not do Parts two and three I am
surprised the city staff accepted this
report it will be important to estimate
eastbound Ray Road arriving from the
West some will make a U-turn and others
will use the Tutor Time at the median
break many drivers would use a shortcut
through Tutor Time driveway how many
what percentage quarter half three
quarters all questions that aren't
answered another failure
was was a failure of the tiis consultant
to estimate the traffic impact including
Qs on congestion at Ray and Dobson and
at the signals on Dobson within a half
mile both directions from Ray and within
a half mile on Dobson both directions
special traffic capacity software is
used to complete the study the the
traffic carrying capacity at the
signalized intersection the signal
analysis very standard among all public
a agencies again surpris the staff
didn't require it okay I wonder so I
still I saw the floor I believe um okay
we'll get with our staff after this to
kind of go over that second and third so
but I I do want to dive into that a
little bit more okay press on
um yeah so I councel I'm trying to keep
everyone the same time and and Orlando
please help me with doing that so do you
have any other great things you want I I
realize you've got a lot more you could
say yeah no I I I I mean next I was I
talked about the traffic study a access
the the important thing is going through
tutor times parking lot where kids and
school buses and parents drop off and
pick up their kids at the at the same
yeah um are we having a discussion with
the up we this is this is not this is
scheduled we can't have a conversation
correct and I need to talk to the city
manager for a minute hang on I'm letting
him finish this thought and then we will
okay just just touching on crime I sent
this uh sea stores are the fourth most
common location for violent crime gas
stations take seventh place in a 2020
FBI study on crime statistics it's right
here can't it
up article here done by some quick to
customers says this is the busiest gas
station on the
planet after spending more than a 100
hours in a quick trip parking lot I can
honestly say I have never seen a gas
station with as much traffic as this one
this is from a consumer husband and wife
um the fact that that this isn't going
to generate any more traffic than than
what was pre previously approved is not
true quick trips I think any of you that
have every ever pulled by byy one they
are the busiest gas station next to
maybe a Costco where people are in lines
for a half hour or so um thank you Mr
that's it okay councel do you have any
any further questions vice mayor yeah
what how you doing thank you so much for
first of all I appreciate you being a
part of this process this this is
important I I'm I want to um and I may
not NE necessarily want to completely
address it right now but I want to
compare the study of traffic I would
like staff and and quick t uh quick tip
and and um our team I want to look at
that I want us to analyze that I really
want to digest that because it's I'm I'm
a pretty intelligent person but what you
share with me and what I can see and
with the experts I really would like to
kind of understand a little bit better
and comp it and then making sure that
the things that you're sharing in terms
specifically more about how the traffic
flows and what that looks like uh I want
to kind of see uh you talked about
accidents I really would like to compare
the data a little bit more so is there
any way possible that we can get with
our traffic team city manager or we can
get that information and then actually
do so I can see it compare compare
compare because I don't want to dismiss
what you just said I just really want to
better understand are we answering the
question if if if traffic is a issue I
want to make sure that we're answering
all those questions as it pertains to
traffic so I can make uh a really sound
decision because I I really what you
just shared was a lot and what they
shared was a lot and what we just shared
was a lot and I'm really just trying to
digest it so um I really would like to
do that so if there's any way possible
we can do that then that's what I would
like to do thanks mayor I know
I don't know what that means in the
context of us voting but we can
certainly um so I I I think we're do
anyone have any other questions for
these two and then we can talk if you
want to have a question for a traffic
person we can do there so okay thank you
thank
you do you want to ask our traffic yeah
yeah I yeah can can traffic come up and
address the concerns that our resident
um discuss as a par contains the traffic
of the in and out because I really want
to learn that a little bit
better here thank you you two you can
sit down please did did real quick did
the Neighbors all organ did you guys all
pay for a traffic study all the
neighbors I did I did yes you paid for a
traffic set now you're you're a neighbor
uh uh no as a business owner of one of
the businesses in the area gu Chevon
Chevron oh you're the owner of the
Chevron for 28 years oh I got
yeah yeah all so none of this affects
okay thank you
yeah do you want to ask your question
you just want you heard his concerns
about traffic just kind of want you to
speak to it and what that looks like uh
yes through the mayor and vice mayor
Harris so um normally normally we will
require a full traffic study for a new
site or weed development generate
significant am amount of traffic because
of the existing site and uh and then the
new proposed QT generate actually less
traffic so we wouldn't even require for
a traffic study from the beginning and
the fact that they did a traffic
statement that's already above our
requirement that's why we don't require
them to the the second and the third
part does Mayor mayor um does that does
their report concern you about that like
that gas station their gas station
through the mayor and uh Council man
Stewart I have not seen their report so
I don't I don't know what is uh include
in that report I only seen the traffic
statement provided by the applicant yeah
i' I'd be interested to see that report
and and its effect on Chevron like if
the chevron's causing similar issues
like we need to know about that as well
yeah thank you thank you thank you for
asking that question because
yeah thank you mayor um so you did not
see the gentleman's report no we have
not okay
um uh I'm I guess I'm flabbergasted here
because I'm trying to figure out what a
two and three is if even though we don't
require it what does that mean is this
the disaster help me understand put this
in perspective of what the gentleman's
saying that are two and parts two and
three I believe we are getting a one one
I think it's going to be a graduate
course by the time we're done here
through the mayor and council member
orando so let me explain a little bit
about the two and three so the part one
is to tell how many new trip will
generate by this side but it doesn't
tell you where they come from South
north and west where which is the part
two the distributions come from and the
part three is whether that has negative
impact or not is that going to be
dumping more uh of the lower the level
service that we we talking about so uh
the fact that with there's a median on
uh Railroad and there will be a median
on uh doson that will be restricted a
lot of movement will be restricted so
most of those will be coming from the uh
southbound and then the westbound but we
have not have an opportunity to exam
that as well okay so real final question
Parts two and three does that concern
you uh at all and I'm must what I heard
you say is once we put the road
improvements in it should satisfy two
and three or am I putting words in your
mouth I
apologize um through the mayor and
council member Orlando uh because of the
new traffic that generated by the the
site and subtracting the pass by the two
and three is not even required to look
at we we I'm sorry I know it's not
required but my question to you as a
traffic Engineer Expert does it concern
you Parts two and three we're not done
or not looked at
uh at at the the report that we we reive
it does not seems to be have a negative
impact for the existing infrastructure
that's what we see okay then let me
rephrase my second question knowing what
two and three is which I don't know I'm
a disadvantage of
the improvements we do in
2026 will that help alleviate some of
the part two and three concern that
gentleman
raised it will definitely will because
it restricted some of the movement okay
currently there's a free flow from uh
Dobson Road going northbound you can
make a left turn after the Improvement
we cannot okay thank you mayor I
appreciate your patience on this mayor
thank you I want to make sure Council we
know how we're voting and uh our
citizens here the same is i i couldn'ta
y if council member post or Council M
did either you have a
comment thank you the understanding of
explaining what are we dealing with with
here at this time and then then the last
thing is that the fact that the the
Chevron also is put reducing traffic
right now because they are stopping
there to get gas that's correct thank
you I'm getting a good head workk out
here tonight so poting my questions got
answered as well thank
you yeah I just um just I I was
appreciating the negative impact that's
what I really wanted to know uh and if
this intersection is super busy and
we're having multiple traffic accidents
um I probably want that to be addressed
at a different a different date and then
I also wanted to see uh about what that
looks like from our Police Department in
terms of how we are handling or do we
have uh additional Patrols in that area
to combat traffic navigations and
Council might I suggest um maybe write
your questions down unless they're
pertinent to each one and then we're
going to have a chance to dialogue up
here before we vote and if you also want
to then ask our police or or other
questions that might be more and I'd
like to get our residents the
opportunity to to share and then because
we're going to we will then discuss this
at the end that's okay all right thank
you sir the next speaker is uh Mr
Lang Mr Lang if you have three minutes U
please state your name and address to
the record and U time is yours thank you
mayor um good evening Council uh name's
Jeff Lang at 2338 West Orchid Lane
that's a DOS Terrace as we heard tonight
that is literally a football field away
and uh I guess I'll tell you a football
field really isn't as big as you would
think um in canvasing that neighborhood
I've talked with folks that you know can
literally hear accidents as as they
happen uh qts told us there're a safe
haven for children are there gas station
attendants trained counselors will they
be providing School tutoring for
residents what kind of safe haven for
children also profits off the sale of
tobacco and
alcohol QT is going to tell you their
gas station attendants are training to
deal with vagrants if they kick somebody
off their property where will they go
seat in Hall Tutor Time across the
football field into my
neighborhood QT will also tell you that
not a lot of children cross that cross
cross the street there on Dobson I live
in the community I walk that community
in the morning I walk that community in
the evening children cross that road and
I encourage all of you to go you know
take a look
too if corporate greed didn't Cloud qt's
Consciousness then they'd be honest with
themselves and then they would build
somewhere
else uh who are they competing with well
you know I've I've looked and I think
that there's something like 19 or 20 gas
stations in all of Chandler kind of feel
like we have enough gas stations and
would be really great to put something
in that corner that would benefit our
community you know and I I spoke with
actually coach at at Sean um who you
know has the idea of putting uh a sports
academy there and I think that that
would be a great a great idea I've lived
here for three years and I've seen the
Community start to gentrify and get a
little bit younger I'm seeing um you
know folks more my age um empty nesters
are moving somewhere else and uh you
know I think we really need to think
about that um and and again that's one
reason why we don't need another gas
station let's put something there uh
that's going to be good for you know our
our
kids uh QT will tell you that they bring
jobs into their communities I heard that
they're a stellar corporation uh I
encourage you to look at class door um
Reddit and look at what you know former
QT employees say about their employer
it's not all sunshine and Roses too
they're also an anti-labor Corporation
there were some ulps filed a number of
years back and I I see that that's
warning me that my time's almost up I
guess I have 25 seconds um QT
I'll wrap it up here you know they're A1
billion company um you know from from
Oklahoma they're not from Chandler you
know and I'm really concerned about our
mpaw businesses I know many of you are
small business owners and I really don't
want to see uh QT come in here and
impact the folks that actually live in
this community um you know make their
bread and butter from the businesses
they run thank you Mr Lan uh and last
thing really quick uh you know take a
look at those those surveys you know
because when I was canvasing the
neighborhood I heard some people say
that oh we we signed your survey you
know I I think you might want to look a
little more closely at than thank
you next
and uh Mr Fred
bornes Mr
bnes again please state your name and
address and I guess I challenge everyone
to not say the exact same thing if
you've got a new take on on our new
information for us that would be helpful
time is yours sir I was gonna say the
same thing my name is Fred bnes I'm a uh
I live at Six South Stellar Parkway
chanler 47y year residence of Chandler I
think that the QT store particularly the
mini market aspect is not really a
compatible fit for this corner um I
enjoy going to the game gasoline
stations especially QT I think they're a
good company Mr gr house and the QT team
have done a really good job of
presenting their um depiction of what
will transpire on this corner it's a
commercial property which probably has a
um underperforming and a low cost uh you
know thing that's going to get
demolished and replaced by this
potentially very good money maker I
think the traffic studies in particular
the locah report just to kind of I'm
sorry maybe repeat what was just said
about by Mr Miller it's a little bit
confusing for me because if you read
their report which I did they argue that
um the permit uh in 1998 PLT 98- 29
would allow as many as
5200 ins and outs ins and outs so 2600
each way uh per day and QT presented in
their traffic study that they felt by
the data that's Nationwide that their
business would generate around on
average 4,100 Inn out per day so that
would be 1100 less than the 25y old um
PLT would have allowed that's a
justification for doing this and the
trouble that I have with this is that
traffic in my view is a very nonlinear
phenomenon if you have streets that were
designed 25 years ago to handle 40,000
cars and today
and and then you only added say 5,000
cars to that mix that's a pretty large
percentage but it's a small amount below
the capacity it's a very nonlinear
function so now we have a street by
everyone's own admission it's got 40,000
cars per day maybe that's going both
ways but we're not talking about adding
not just just 4,100 on average per day
and and you get up against that that
bump and it becomes very inelastic this
the uh the intersections get very
crowded at different times of the day
they get saturated and all of us that
live in Chandler see that saturation at
least during rush hour so this is a
concern about it and I think you really
need to go back as Mr Orlando said and
study that traffic report more closely
three there's three schools in the
region uh Satan's a closed campus I went
to a closed campus too on Friday
afternoons when I finally did graduate
from high school we used to go down to
the pool hall that's an that's an
adolescent thing so coming to the mini
Mark you're going to find more students
there from seatan No Doubt um the last
point I'm going to make I promise is
that if if this was a an in an
installation that was going to be near a
Channer Union school or a Tempe Union
High School you'd be inundated with
people from the board and from those
communities concerned about this if you
look at schools public schools in the in
the city you'll find that very few of
them have a phenomenon like this right
within a football field length the only
one I can find thank you
Mr take a look at that thank
you our next speaker is Darren nton Mr
nton again please state your name and
address and you have up to three minutes
sir good evening mayor and council
members my name is Darren notton we live
at 1602 West Del Rio Street uh in
Chandler my wife and our family have
lived in Chandler and we are homeowners
in Anderson Springs Community for 30
years we are not in favor of rezoning
for QT we have similar concerns as
others but what we don't know and
understand is what value does QT bring
to Chandler is their value convenience
then I have to ask what is the cost of
that convenience let me read this
statement that can be found on various
news business City and Real Estate
websites Quick Trip strategy is to be
the dominant convenience gasoline
retailer in each market and to reach
that level not through sheer number of
stores but through key high volume
locations end quote QT is a
multi-billion dollar Corporation and
there is no information on their website
that they are doing anything for
corporate responsibility or
sustainability corporate responsibility
refers to the need for businesses to be
good corporate citizens and involves
going beyond the laws requirements this
means managing their business processes
while taking account of their social
economic environmental impact and
considering human rights does QT have a
goal to reduce their environmental
footprint and reduce
resources what we want to ask the city
of Chandler council members not to
continue being another city of
convenience for QT not approve their
rezoning and not allow another QT and
Chandler as it seems their corporate
responsibility is to increase their
profits while they reduce our City's
resources what we should know is how
much waste do their stores generate more
importantly do they recycle and how much
material is or could be diverted from
landfills with 1,64 stores in 17 States
143 of those stores are in Arizona and
four are in Chandler do they use hybrid
or electric vehicles in their delivery
and service Fleet are there single use
cups and straws eco-friendly or
biodegradable are they using re
renewable energy why don't we know or
see if there are solar panels on top of
their pump canopies why are there no EV
Chargers quoting Chandler's website
sustainability is about balancing the
environmental and economic needs of
Chandler along with the needs of future
generations to the council are the
economics of the tax revenues generated
from QT tipping the scales over for the
environmental needs of the city and its
residents the convenient boat would be
yes but the responsible vote is no thank
you thank you
Mr our next speaker is Audrey
Eaton is
Eon welcome please state your name and
address and you have up to three minutes
yes um I'm Audrey Eden and I live at
1848 West Orchid Lane and I oppose the
QT application I have lived in
Pennington place for almost a decade
it's a gated community near the
northeast corner of doson and Ray and
surrounded by Fri Market doson Rood in
Hope Christian Academy Elementary School
we are across the street from Anderson
Junior High and seen Catholic prep and
as you all know Tutor Time Preschool and
seedan are adjacent to the composed QT
site reasons I oppose the QT include
number one traffic we've talked about
that uh there will be increased traffic
congestion and I think there be an
increased risk for accidents number two
convenience stores with gas stations
attract criminal activity I basis on the
FBI uniform Prime report published in
2023 and the calls calls for service
report as we heard from the police
officer I also requested that report for
the last year um call types were
numerous and included those for
Narcotics Criminal Traffic armed robbery
indecent exposure hit and run disorderly
conduct ass Sal and
DUI lastly I want to make two comments
about the petitions with signatures for
and against QT number one over the last
week I walked around penon place on four
different occasions with a petition
opposing QT not everyone was home but I
did collect a total of 44 signatures
those who opposed represented 75% of the
neighbors that I surveyed these
neighbors who opposed thought QT was a
bad fit for our community and
surrounding neighborhood which includes
a high density of schools in the
vicinity of the proposed QT number two
on Tuesday while I was at this past
Tuesday while at work I received a call
from my friend Dave who lives in Gilbert
he told me that he stopped at the QT at
2010 South Arizona in Chandler at about
1 pm that day this QT is over five miles
from the doson r intersection he was
approached by a QT employee who was
standing outside the entrance and asked
him to sign a petition supporting the
doson ray QT
Dave asked her why signatures weren't
being collected in the doson ray
neighborhood instead and she replied
that they needed signatures to outnumber
those being collected by the owner of
the adops r Chevron he asked her where
she lived and she said she was from
Tucson I drove to that QT after work and
arrived at 5:30 at that time there were
two QT employees with clipboards
collecting signatures I took a picture
of the scene as I almost couldn't
believe what I was seen I imagine most
of the people who were signing the
petitions did not have a vested interest
in the doson ray neighborhood I just
wonder if QT was also collecting
signatures at their other locations in
Chandler in closing I hope our mayor
vice mayor and city council members will
scrutinize these petitions and in the
end make a decision that will safeguard
my community thank you thank
you the next speaker is
Chris
kavic Mr kavic please state your name
and address and you have up to three
minutes sir thank you mayor and councel
uh my name is Chris Kix I live at 2110
West Knox Road uh which is just North of
the proposed
site so I didn't really come here
thinking that I was going to say
anything uh I just wanted to listen see
whatever the people had to say maybe
listen to what the council had to say
people from QT as well and that changed
obviously the more I listened so
hopefully if you give me I'll take care
of it I feel that it's fundamentally
flawed the
way that quite frankly information was
gathered about people in the area I
didn't know about this until recently I
mean very
recently the distance of the area was
far too small especially for the initial
neighborhood input if you're talking
about the area where I live I'm 500
yards away didn't know about it wasn't
talked about I didn't know about it
until the sign got put up next to the
site but then I am also seeing that
signatures were gathered for people that
were wanting to approve
it and I mean I'm sorry but if you're
talking about Sun Lakes and you're
approving that
site you have no bearing on my community
you just don't like you live at Rural
and Ray or Rural and Chandler I'm sorry
that's not close I mean it's close it's
not close not for me not for where where
I drive every single
day and I don't care if it's qt or not
to me it doesn't matter if it's qt or
another gas station I don't think we
need it
there why do we need another gas station
there it's difficult enough no offense
to get inside the CH the Chevron when I
need to and even getting out of
it I also don't understand how in good
conscience we can allow building a QT
there when we have not even decided the
the exact design that would be chosen
for the intersection in all directions
and I'm hearing that from the gentleman
that's for the city so how can we good
conscience do that also when he said we
didn't need to do steps two and three uh
again for Mr Miller's information he
said it's because it's not for
redevelopment well I'm sorry but the
definition of Redevelopment is the
action of process of developing
something again or differently it's
exactly what we're doing tearing a
building down we're putting something
new there that's new that's new
development that's what that
is again with what Mr Miller stated and
I don't want to take too much time and
only got 30 seconds left I remember when
it was a CVS I've only been living in
the community for 17 years I don't
consider that a long time 30 years 40
years a lot of people have been living
here longer than me however I remember
when was a CVS and it wasn't that hard
to get in and out of so when people say
it's about the same amount of traffic as
what a qt or another gas station or
convenience store would do that's wrong
so I think the intersection has issues
already accidents Etc I'm sure people
see cars running red lights three to
four in a row thank you for your time
thank
you if I could ask you to just allow the
speakers to address us and and not give
verbal responses that would be helpful I
I don't want anyone booed on the other
hand either so are next speaker is
April Bow Quinn I apologize for
mispronouncing your name if I
have you could please state your name
and address and you have up to three
minutes Mrs Bley super quick uh April
born 1255 North Arizona and I'm
personally just in favor of putting a
gas station I don't think that punishing
any any um company in terms of the
buildings what they do and don't do and
I know we're talking about the community
around but I'm also looking at the
traffic where easy Ingress egress is so
much better than trying to make u-turns
which leads to a lot of the um traffic
and I'll just leave it at that thank you
okay thank
you our next speaker is Erica dial Miss
Di
again if you can please state your name
and address for the record you have up
to three minutes to share with
councel my name is Erica di I live at
2012 West Tyson in Chandler just south
of the proposed area I'm just south of
galvaston um my husband and I are
absolutely in favor of this we have
spoken to many neighbors uh we frequent
a lot of the businesses that they
mentioned were in favor of this um and
when we're there my husband is a
Salesman so he talks to everybody um and
I sit quietly next to him so it's very
unusual for me to get here and talk um
and everybody we've talked to or he's
talked to and I sat and listen is in
favor of this I think the main reason
that you're not getting a lot of people
here to speak and support is because
it's always the squeaky wheels that want
to come up and squeak um so we've seen a
lot of support um I am very glad that QT
was able to get all those signatures
because we've seen the support and heard
the support for this
um so I was trying to make notes as I
was sitting there um the traffic studies
that everybody's talking about was all
addressed in the zoning and planning
Commission because I been to every
single meeting I started with the
October meeting um so for people saying
that they didn't know about them they
put those giant orange signs on both
corners of the the proposed site so if
they didn't know they didn't see it
because they've been there for months
since October um it is the owner of that
Chevron that is leading the Crusade to
um stop this and he mentioned that he
has been a part of the Anderson Springs
HOA for 28 years his business is a part
of that HOA he is not he did not mention
his address he lives in
Scottdale um and with the massive influx
that we have seen in our area of all
these new apartment buildings that are
built the one the new apartments that
were just built by the fries on Chandler
the new construction that is still going
on on fry with massive amounts of new
apartment buildings and that influx of
people we absolutely need more gas
stations and I think the proof is that
Costco is looking at expanding their gas
station so I mean that tells you if they
didn't need that if if there wasn't the
need they wouldn't be expanding and if
there wasn't the need QT wouldn't
propose this site if the need wasn't
there and to the uh one of the last ones
that they said this isn't new
development it's they're just asking for
a the gas pad they're not asking to
redevelop it into like uh housing or
something like that that I think would
qualify for the the full three-part
traffic study because again we all just
got our our degree in that right thank
you thank you
Mr our next and again I'm taking these
in the order they've come uh Mr Butler
Bill
Butler Mr Butler please state your name
and address for the rec my name is Phil
Butler uh 1989 West ro road I am uh
mayor council member than you uh I am
the general manager of the Chevron I
have been for 22
years uh in my experience gas stations
have always been a target for the
homeless and for panhandlers for those
looking to buy and sell drugs and other
criminal activity and being built
directly beside a daycare and a high
school it will become a hangout for
children uh high
schoolers uh QT like other large gas
station chains seem to allow these
people to do whatever they want uh uh
which make their locations much more
dangerous than other business other like
businesses uh at our station we are very
aggressive at removing these people that
harass and endanger our customers and
our employees we have zero
tolerance uh and respond immediately to
removing them QT say they have a strong
policy for dealing with these people but
uh in my experience visiting uh any qts
you will see this is not EX existant
the same as Circle Cas uh one of the
zoning and planning uh council members
that voted in
favor uh of this QT being built uh said
it'll bring a service to the community
but they will bring nothing that isn't
already there and will be the eighth gas
station within a mile and a half of this
intersection um they will be taking away
revenue from long-established businesses
that have built up this area in the last
25 and 30 years nobody will benefit from
QT being here except
QT since the first neighborhood meeting
QT has repeatedly repeated many
misleading statements regarding the
serious concerns or rather opinions as
they call it of the residents and
businesses in this neighborhood such as
traffic will be less uh than the
original P that I believe was written 25
years ago they also stated that
westbound traffic has to make a uturn uh
to get into the Chevron which is not
true there is a dedicated uh turn lane
uh to get into the Chevron for westbound
traffic uh several people in these
meetings have said I love QT but not
here uh even their own customers do not
want this in their neighborhood QT keeps
calling everybody's concerns opinions
but these are not opinions these are
facts fact there will be much more
traffic fact more accidents fact more
crime and also fact more closed down and
boarded up businesses that always seem
to follow new QT stations wherever they
build does Chandler want or need two or
three gas stations on every
corner just look at Phoenix and Mesa and
when a QT moves in many of the other
small chain gas stations are shuttered
further leading to more blight and
homeless camps in the area please
consider the the facts regarding this
proposal
and not
qts continue am I done you are sir thank
you thank
you our next speaker card is from Grace
McMahon
miss you could please state your name
and address for the record and you have
up to three
minutes mayor council members uh my name
is Grace McMahon I'm at 1560 West
Ironwood Drive Chandler in Anderson
Springs it's the northeast corner of
grand doson um I don't have any fun
statistics for you I don't have any
slideshows I am council member Orlando I
am your typical 34e resident here in
Chandler that's just saying I am for
this I've lived there and watched that
corner be built to a CVS it's gone be
built to I want to say it was Petco but
I can't swear by that it was gone and
then the next pet thing is gone and I'm
sick of an empty building just sitting
there I'm looking for something that
works and this works they're tried and
true I don't
see the traffic issue and I do right now
with the intersection that it's going to
be but it's not going or that it is it's
not going to be that like we've all said
it's already on the books to be upgraded
because right now it's like Cur and cats
in that intersection it's horrible we
know that but that's not what that
intersection is going to be when this
business is there
I'm for
it thank you thank you
Mr our our next speaker card is from um
Pig in you that
oh you're you're killing
me in say it again indr lunus indr lunus
very
good uh
ma'am please state your name and address
and you have up to three minutes to I'm
Peg and dronis I live at 1630 West
Ironwood Drive in Anderson Springs right
down the street from grace and I also
will say I'm tired of that corner not
having a prosperous business it was a
CVS it was two pet stores now it looks
pretty awful because it's boarded up the
Landscaping looks bad um I knew about
this from because I was given many PES
on my door someone spent a lot of money
flyers and posted them on all our
neighborhood doors about the various
meetings that we had um some of the
concerns the traffic yeah it's a bad
intersection I don't know that it's
going to make it any worse because I
think people as stated before people
will go to the QT if they're going West
on Ray or if they're coming south on
doson they're going the other directions
they'll go to
chevar um as far as the kids and Tutor
Time I Think Tutor Time moms and dads
may like the the Quick Trip right there
because they can zip over there for
their morning coffee or their snack or
myself a Diet Pepsi and the kids from
seating I think it would be better for
them sounds weird but after school I see
so many high school kids walking down
Dobson if they want a snack as you know
most high school kids do they either
have to cross Dobson to get to fries or
they have to cross Ray to get to the
Chevron here they can just walk on the
sidewalk to the QT Gorge themselves
silly um the other issue was possible
homelessness you know we have
homelessness people we we do have
homeless people in Chan um I've seen
people live behind
Sprouts uh in Anderson Springs we hit
for several months during covid we had a
woman living in that bus stop at Ray and
Pennington um I have not seen any at
Chevron and I don't think I'll see any
Quick Trip uh I'm for it I just want a
prosperous business there and uh thank
you thank you please no clapping um the
next person Tristan
Gres good evening mayor and Council my
name is Tristan gr I live on 2141 North
Evergreen Street uh I've lived in
chanler for about nine years uh work at
the Chevron for eight years and I've
seen how bad the intersection can be and
I see a lot of the students cross the
street all the time and I'm worried and
concerned about their safety and I'm
hoping that this QT doesn't get put
there just for the off chance that it
could potentially be more dangerous or
make that intersection more dangerous
for the students and that's all I really
got to say thank
you thank you
sir our next speaker card
is Tyler
Gres sitting next to Tristan
Gish please state your name and address
for the record sir do you have up to
three minutes awesome uh my name is
Tyler I live at 2141 North Evergreen
Street uh I'll just keep it simple uh
I'm not for this QT for the obviously
stated reasons and issues with data and
addressing the concerns of the community
um as far as what could be go what can
go there I think there's plenty of other
things that can go there that would
benefit the community and actually work
better with the school and daycare uh
having that QT there that's just a lot
of extra traffic for this the tourtime
buses the parent traffic and of course
the children coming in and out uh
overall I just don't think it's a safe
option that's all I got to say thank you
sir thank
you and our next speaker is Justin wit
Mr wit please state your name and
address for the record you have up to
three minutes my name is Justin W
address is 1560 West Darwood Drive um
I'm for the QT going in on the corner of
and doson I think it's good for the city
good for the community and good for my
neighborhood the location's been empty
for far too long if other businesses
could work there they would have gone in
there already QT thinks they can make it
work and I applaud them for
that when the intersection
reconstruction is complete median
barriers will control the flow of
traffic there's also red light cameras
at that intersection you know if people
are running red lights doing things
illegal that's supposed to catch them
um I think the the first presenter the
owner of the Chevron uh having a
monopoly on that intersection I just
think he's afraid of competition I think
this is going to be good for the
community and again good for my
neighborhood thank you thank you
sir Council we have two left our next
speaker is
Gretchen
renom thank you
can thanks for the clarification if you
could please state your name and address
for the record and up to three minutes
absolutely Gretchen rabom 1762 West Gary
Drive Chandler Boulevard um in Chandler
and um I just think that I realize
there's been a vacuum there for a while
and a vacuum really wants to be filled
but I think we need to not just infill
this space without much more careful
consideration thought and independent
research I find it a little bit
interesting that a lot of the staffs
were related to Quick Trip versus other
kinds of businesses that are the same
Circle K blah BL blah it did not address
things like what other kinds of
businesses compare to those kinds of
things related to Stats with criminal
statistics homelessness crime and so
forth um I think it's very skewed
because of that I don't think we have a
lot of independent research on the
situation I've lived there for 30 years
I lived literally on um Dobson and Ray
just east of the uh fries and I've seen
the traffic get horrendously worse um
and I am uh all the neighbors that I
talk to are adamant opposed to this so
I'm going to be a squeaky wheel on that
side I don't know the Chevron people
never met them um not concerned about
them my concern is with that area that
traffic area is horrendous it's gotten
worse every year and I think we don't
have enough research and independent
looking at it to tell us what it's
really all about and I think that um
focusing on how many more cars are going
to go by is not the issue the issue is
again is how many starts and stops ins
and outs and things that are going to
cause traffic obstacles there that are
going to potentially increase and I
don't think a median is going to
necessarily solve all of those problems
I think it will help but I don't think
it's going to do everything um I don't
know how this proposed option is better
than the fries gas station that was
proposed in that same area Ray and
Dobson and was turned down how how is
this one different or better or
different in terms of meeting particular
requirements than the fries was which
was turned down I think just a couple
years ago so my concern is that we just
don't have enough information and that
um some of the information we're getting
is again not independent and that I and
I feel that um we need to to really be
more careful and is this really a
forward-thinking approach to what we
want in our city in terms of do we need
a gas station with eight pumps that are
going to have things that hopefully down
the road Ro won't be needed when we have
electric vehicles and things like that I
just think it's not necessarily the
forward thinking that we need and I
don't think it's independent thinking
necessarily based on the information
that's been gathered to
date thank
you and our last speaker is Daniel pesta
Mr pesta you could please come state
your name and address for the record you
have up to three minutes
sir good evening I'm Daniel pesta um my
address is 903 North Sol Del Soul um I
am vice president of the capriana HOA
which is directly south um on the
southwest corner of Dobson and Ray um
I've had numerous residents talk to me
about um the traffic in that area it's
already almost impossible to turn um
West out of our development to get to
the 101 freeway um there should be a
light at Ivan ho and Ray um I've talked
to we've tried to get a light put in
there I guess the traffic study doesn't
warrant it right now but um it is really
hard to turn um West out of there and if
you you stop the light you can tell um
we end up a lot of times we turn right
and then make a u-turn at Tor time just
because it's the safest way to get
through there um there's four schools
nearby my children go to Anderson
Elementary School so um I know there's a
lot more children walking through this
area so it's not just about the traffic
study it's about children walking
um and then do we really even need
another gas station in the area there
are eight other gas stations in the area
already within a mile and a half um and
like they said Fri gas station tried to
be put in there um about two years ago
and that was not allowed because we
don't even need another gas station um
we're going to more electronic vehicles
um so I feel like gas stations are going
to be less popular in the future um they
mentioned that all this building of
fries on Fry Road of apartment buildings
um those people won't be going to this
gas station anyway because it's not a
destination as was stated um you you
usually go as a pass by so they're not
going to be traveling passing by here to
get to this gas station also this is a
giant corporate company if they do put
off small business out of out of
business like the Chevron is right
across the street from them um what's
going to happen to that vacant lot
because that will be a vacant lot that's
you know zoned as a gas station as well
so um I just wanted to bring that to
your attention and let you know that I
oppose this and a lot of people in my
community do as well thank you thank you
sir Council we've probably had about 17
cards um and again there are probably
about nine that will be written into the
record very similar thought and vein of
comments um I I'll I'll start off with
comments and then if anyone would like
to call somebody else back to talk or or
clarify and then we'll see where this
goes um it's been mentioned a couple
times the the Fri gas station and that
was for our our fairly new folks this
was a development that was tucked in on
puntington on the North uh east side of
the fries there it was backed up right
against the neighborhoods and council at
that time opposed that because it was
literally uh I don't it was it was right
next to the residents like it it backed
up against the residents as well so that
was the the story of that and there was
not a question of whether at that time
that Council thought a gas station was
good or bad it was just Council uh
opposed the location of that and I don't
think the developer actually brought
this to a case to us I think they they
um saw that they weren't gaining
correction so that that was why that one
wasn't developed it was just the
location right next to
Residence so Council how
uh what comments do you have or what
would you like to vice mayor yeah I just
wanted to call back up QT because um
there was a couple of concerns I wanted
them to address because it was called
out when they were um speaking and I
just kind of want to be able to allow
that house that response it's going to
be um you may or may not be able to
answer I don't know I think it's going
to be for a different person but um the
first question was corporate
responsibility I really wanted to know
um 's corporate responsibility and then
what does that look like for Chandler
because I think that's very important
and that's what I heard that was um
being asked what is your corporate
responsibility and what does that
specifically look like for Channeler and
I will probably say more in that area to
see what what steps or approaches are
you looking to take to make sure that
you're not just
here receiving the profits but you're
also being mindful putting it back into
to Chandler yeah so um one of the things
that we do corporately wide is 5% of our
earnings go back to corporate in the
community and what we have is we have
it's actually the store employees make
up how we decide where the Charities go
so it's a committee that um they meet
once a quarter and then those store
employees will take all the applications
and they go through them and they decide
locally they're the ones that are in the
trenches every day they're the ones that
see what the community needs are so
they're the ones that decide where the
funds go Loc and that happens um not
just here in Arizona but everywhere so
that way if a community organization is
doing good and it's helping them and
it's helping them with the the concerns
of the neighborhood they get the money
versus just corporately someone deciding
hey we should give it to this charity or
that charity so that's how all of the
funds get divided up locally is it's
done by a a team of store employees who
who know better than someone at
corporate would how to best allocate the
funds um in terms of other
sustainability and um that was brought
up we do have a sustainability team that
is something that we do look at just not
only from an environmental standpoint
but just from a business standpoint and
how we can grow grow our business and
continue to be responsible one of the
things that we're doing here
specifically on this site is we're
retaining all the existing landscape
because it's more sustainable and it's
more less environmental impact there's a
lot of mature established landscape on
the site and it's very beautiful and it
does a very good job of screening and
we're keeping all of that so we try to
do and look at those things to how we
can better and be more sustainable
environmentally friendly company sorry
yeah thank you and then my next question
is probably going to be for the attorney
U is the I wanted to better understand
the setbacks around the QT in the pad
just kind of want to learn the setbacks
in terms of um the school where it's
actually positioned at I just kind of
wanted you just to share where this how
this setbacks and how many feet is that
from the U from the daycare from the
school the
sidewalk um to allow pedestrians to
walk this would be probably in the
earlier photo you shared with us
yeah
okay it's time to go to engineering 101
now I think you had another slide that
actually brought in the um gave us a
little wider out showing where the
school was in the daytime as well
okay is this what you were referring to
Mayor is this what you asking yes this
yes yes okay this is yes so as you can
see we we were far set back from uh Ray
on the south which is on the bottom left
hand side of your of your of the screen
the the canopy and the uh QT sore
setback far far from the East side where
where Dobson Road is
located um based on the scale of this
this drawing it looks like The Tutor
Time is setback even greater than the
setback along Dobson Road or about a
similar distance um from the back of the
QT building to the to the playground at
the two time on the North side there's
less of a set back but that's because
there's a a parking lot there for Satan
and in fact when we met with SE they
asked us to install a 7ot wall along the
north North property line of the QT site
and we've done that we've agreed to it
and it's shown on on the site plan
okay okay and in terms of the did uh um
Pender care the daycare did they ask for
a wall did they ask or did they just ask
for Speed mitigation um speed mitigation
like bumps and stuff but I wanted to
know if the ask for a barrier wall as
well I'm unaware of them asking for a
barrier
wall no they they did not they we talked
about adding light at the dumpster
adding some I can't point to it on here
but adding some signs on their parking
that say for Tutor Time only no quick
trip customers um putting the speed
bumps
in adding just signs inside the site to
direct UT customers and so let them know
to try to avoid going through the tutter
time portion of the shared access and um
I think that was it that was that was
what they asked for okay thank you and
then I guess my last question let's see
um yes from the time that um so if this
project bumps up against our Capital um
plan for improvement for widening Road
widening um what does that what does
that look like and and and will you be
preparing for that if this was to to go
across the Finish
Line council member are you referring to
the the Dobson Road median improvements
and in connection with when the QT would
be constructed and opened yes uh one
thing we have discussed with your your
staff is if there's a gap in between
let's say a six month gap of when a QT
store would open versus when the Capital
Improvement project would be completed
that we would be happy to install what
called the pork chop um diverting
traffic right in and right out which
effectively does the same sort of thing
as a as a median would medium's a little
more permanent and and harder to violate
but we'd be happy to install a pork chop
if that was required in an interim
solution thank you mayor additional
questions or comments coun council
member uh thank you so on the Charities
that the four stores that are currently
in Chandler do you know who they give to
at this current
time no I apologize I don't know all the
specific Charities that they they get to
I can find that out and get back get
that information over to you very
quickly all right great thank you um so
what was the timing on The Tutor Time
letter that so they were against it
versus what we're hearing today which
they like okay with some stipulations
that council member Orlando
mention good question it's been a little
bit of a roller coaster ride with Tutor
Time uh we initially reached out to
Tutor Time and they told us that they
had no
opposition um and they were not
objecting to the QT as Ben planning
staff reached out to tutor time as well
and as described in your staff report uh
Tutor Time told Ben that they had no no
objections um the day of I understand
the day of the March 21st city council
uh meeting there was a letter submitted
by Tutor Time that's what I was told and
that's for the opposition letters on
record that David Miller uh showed you
all um our conversations with and and I
emails from from Tutor Time at at like
9:30 this morning saying um you know
Daniel offered the speed humps and they
said yeah that would be great thank you
the speed bups would help
uh in can you send that to me real quick
yeah well not not right now but when you
sit down yeah than absolutely all right
and then you heard David Miller say that
he he talked at Tutor Time today at 4M
and and they're in opposition so it's
been a little bit of of this through the
process okay thank you um so so a couple
things
so thank you um for me this really has
been centering around traffic like I've
he a lot of the opposition much of the
opposition is I've learned now is from a
competitor in the neighborhood and as a
city you know our responsibility is to
facilitate opportunity for our small
business owners we're not necessarily
here to protect our small business owner
we create Safe Streets we um make sure
that the infrastructure is well but it
seems like the challenge that we have
here is that we're about to blow out
this intersection um I don't know do we
have the power to move that up so this
times and gets in line I know there's
some federal funding and things like
that and I don't want to get into the
where twos and what fors and the details
but it sounds like that's a huge
solution to a major problem that many of
the opposing neighbors have on this
particular site I don't think that the
crime is any different than any other
convenience store or any other location
but the traffic really seems to be an
issue if we can solve for that faster um
maybe we can find a compromise and
that's what we're up here to do is to
find a compromise that works for the
Neighbors what can we do city manager
yeah Mr Mayor uh council member Stewart
um as I mentioned before the the is
partially federally funded and that is
timed in sequence so just like we
compete for projects through mag or
through any the other Federal sources we
kind of get in line um and we get called
when we get called and we have the
opportunity to be able to pursue some
additional funding um so in this case
you know if that was something the
council wanted to move up we would have
to seek some other source of funding to
be able to complete that project or
perhaps try to advance that up in the
schedule um we certainly could because
we're in design now we could pursue that
can't guarantee from my position here
today that that would be possible but if
that is council's direction that you
would like us to aggressively pursue
moving that project perhaps ahead of an
of others on the list or trying to get
that funding sooner uh we could
certainly try
manager
man city manager thank you um so what's
the risk reward here as it relates to
the funding right these dollars are
important when we get Federal funding we
have a number of other projects that we
have to do here in the city um as much
as people are frustrated with some of
the construction we're we're we're
getting some really good road
construction done so what's the risk
reward from a timeline we're talking
about three or four months right that's
the difference can we get reimbursed
yeah Mr Mayor uh Council m Stewart
typically we have to obligate the
federal funding uh by a certain time so
we have to be ready with design have
final approval from you to proceed with
the construction and then that allows us
to be able to access that funding in
this case it's a mix of funding I
actually pulled this item up in our
Capital program to make sure I had it
straight in my head so it's a mix of
local Bond funding from voter approved
bonds as well as some Capital grants
that are anticipated from the federal
sources so um if that was the desire
again to try to swap that out that's a
conversation we wouldd have to have but
you're in the middle of budget season
right now and we could see what
availability that is that's probably a
conversation we need to have offline or
do you want to whisper me the number
oh how how much is how much is it yeah
yeah so Mr mayor council Stewart the
project is currently budgeted for $10.3
million that is the construction only so
that does not include the design and
other there's some RightWay acquisition
things like that in previous years a
little over 10.3 million I won't go to
all the detailed numbers uh about 3.3
million of that is coming from uh the
grant Source uh and about 6.9 million is
shown from your local bond fund that at
this time
oh one other thing can we get can we
work with Daniel the hoav on that
traffic study and and kind of help him
out on that too please thank
you I I would suggest that if Council
does vote in favor of this that as much
as and that's an if I'm not putting
words in anybody's mouth but to me that
would also be a plus to try to align
these to where that uh any if there was
a temporary solution that would be less
inhibited but I I'm not one for wanting
to turn down million dollar Federal uh
funding of this too and if if there's a
way to do that um council melles is next
thank you mayor there was so many
different
um I will say more like questionable
ways of getting those signatures that
have been raised and truly I've heard
from people who truly have to gain from
the cue not being there versus the other
way around majority of those who have
spoken um if we were talking about free
market Solutions which is basically what
this whole country is based on is the
fact that every one of us have a right
to put our business as long as it's
viable and it's going to help the
community in a place where we want to
put it just because someone else have a
business there that doesn't mean we
cannot put another business similar to
that I've heard a lot of things about
how many um gas station we have within a
mile of I would love to have
uh the applicants speak to the manner
that those uh signatures were taken
number one number two is that I moved in
Anderson spring in
1990 I was one of the first to buy a
house in that corner I was she's living
she
knows in 1999 when I moved out from
there we had traffic in that
area I have watched that corner I have
watched that Chev run in a bad
shape so not bad shape and now I don't
know because if I go by the gas is so
expensive I can't even buy it I just
keep driving and so my concern at this
this time is that am I stopping
everybody else that lives in Chandler
from being
able to save on gas to be able to be
conveniently go there when they are
driving West going to the freeway to get
their guys am I stopping them from being
able to do that at this time I would
like a couple of questions concern uh
answered concerning how those signatures
were collected
because one time when I stopped at the
Chevron at the front desk there was
somebody who was asking for us to sign
because they said if we inside they're
going to lose their jobs so I want to
know about that how those signatures
were
collected no for uh QT from a QT correct
okay um who would like to address a
question about how were the signatures
collected uh through the mayor council
memb were the signatures were collected
uh primarily by billstein Consulting
their their team okay um their their
team is made up of uh
volunteers uh people who they found just
love QT and they also have paid
employees that um gathered these
signatures um they I don't
know this is what would show this is
what would
okay okay all right and you may take
these ones too from
there sure pass it pass it down
please so what you telling me at this
time and that they were honestly
collected by a company that you hire to
do that it was not your employees
standing on a corner trying to get
signatures absolutely they I believe
they had a QT badge but they were not QT
employees correct they had they had a QT
badge so that people who worked at that
QT store knew that they were on on site
and but they they are not employees oft
for safety purposes that's why the we
were in the badget
absolutely thank you mayor
Council
posting oh you can just put it he Grand
that well Council if there is no further
questions um the motion would be in
order I know council member Stewart's
probably in the bathroom right now so
before we
voted yeah oh there he is
yeah Council what's your preference here
tonight Council let me ask again a
motion would be in order
to do either request that this goes on
or it's
denied here I will make a motion that
um that we approve this development I as
as I mentioned earlier I I do not go to
QT but they did put one up across the
street from my church and I did find
that the competition was good at the
Circle K that I do go to that there
suddenly there was water in the
windshield wiper things or where I could
do my windshields where before they
honestly I would get frustrated if I
can't do my winds my windshields there
uh I I thought it was good I I live
across the street or I I drive there
across the street every day and I I've
not found traffic to be more onerous and
sometimes I'm making a hard left out of
my parking lot to Head North Cross
traffic and I wait a little bit and um
but i' I've not found it to be honorous
so I like to make a motion that we
approve item number 25 is there a
second mayor I'll say second I with some
comments okay we have a motion in a
second and Council before we take a vote
would anyone like to make comments yes
um mayor this mayor and counsel um this
has been very difficult um decision for
me to come to because of the fact that
um I wanted to hear everything and I I
think I've been inundated with u
multiple comments I read a lot of emails
I spent a lot of time pondering on my
mind and I'm a small business owner but
I'm also also believe in some friendly
competition too um because that's what
makes us U great I think when I serving
in the military just kind of you know
that's that's what we do we we compete
that's how we make a living that's
actually you know be honest with you if
I didn't have another job right now I
wouldn't be able to do this job um
because I have to work and I have to
compete and I don't I'm always feeling
like I'm at a disadvantage because I
don't because I'm spending time you know
working hard for the people but I also
got to leave here and and go work to
provide for my wife and my family and I
know that that's a sacrifice and um
sometimes um competition is good because
you know at one point I own 35
locations um 35 tax and accounting
locations in seven different states and
my business model was to open up right
next to the competition because of the
fact that I wanted to be better than the
competition if the competition is not
better I'm going to beat them down
really bad and I put together strategies
to do that um and I know this is in our
community and I love my community and I
love my neighbors um my only Reserve
that I have right now that I would like
to see QT and the city work together to
bump up so the traffic so that way that
can be taken care of I know they have a
build time I know that they want to get
it on quickly but I feel very
uncomfortable if I think that there
could be traffic accidents or issues
that's related to Traffic uh and I know
I've read through uh QT they talk about
being a good neighbor talk about you
know giving back to the community and
opening up a QT while we're there
navigating traffic and not having enough
room concerns me and I hope that the QT
family go back and say you know we're
going to do a better job and we're going
to we're going to work with the city
we're not going to open this building
we'll get it together and we'll start
making the property look nice and start
renovating the things that needs to look
nice to make it prepared we're going to
work closely to make sure that traffic
is addressed I'm very concerned about
that we already have speed light cameras
there but I do believe that um QT um um
QT is a business just like everyone else
they have to spend some time doing it so
with that being said that mayor um I I
yield my um I yield my time um and I'm
going to talk to everybody when I leave
here uh about my comments and I'm not
going to shy away from that with that
being said Thank You mayor before I ask
any others uh council member Orlando
reminded me that can I uh it's okay with
the second of my motion can we include
the uh the stipulations to make sure
that they are insured and it up on is
that ta is that legally done or do I
need to make
a mayor if I may you'll need to do a
motion to amend okay a second and then
you'll need an approval of the motion to
amend and then you can vote on the
amended motion so do I make the motion
to amend you may all right so I would
like to make a motion to amend my
original motion that includes the four U
stipulations to work with Tutor
Time and um is there a second on my
motion to amend may can you add the pork
chop turn safy uh yes and whatever is
necessary if a if in timing if a pork
chop is necessary if if this timing does
not work that we would
also include that there that would
happen and that would assist being a
right in and right out so
so I have a motion is that
satisfying okay is there a
second do we need to include the seven
foot
wall some of those agreements with Satan
as well since we're including the
agreements with Tutor Time I my
understanding was that this that was
already in the development agreement 7
football VA
uh mayor council members the seven foot
wall that is part of the pry okay okay
thank you is does this satisfy what we
would need to continue if I have a
motion and did I have a second second
okay a second and this is a motion to
amend the previous
motion all right we have a motion in a
second um and we can do this through our
vote thing here Council please vote to
amend the
motion we're not voting on this we're
just voting to amend to add the new
things correct all right that's correct
all right so we're you're not saying
you're you're not putting your yourself
out yet all right Council please
vote motion to amend um carage
unanimously very good so we have a
motion and a second on the floor still
correct correct for the new with the
Amendments is is there any additional
comments Council you'd like to make let
me let me let's start over let's start
with council member in cenus I just want
to thank all the residents for being
part of this tonight and being here it's
almost 900m um your input is very
important to all of us here on Council
and we take that in great consideration
so I just want to give you guys a thank
you for still being here today and
voicing your opinions um because this is
who you guys are our bosses this is who
we're listening to so I just want thank
you guys for being a part of this
process okay um council member
ala well yes I thought we were going
down this way we can do that I thank you
thank you custumers for uh saying that I
really appreciate the fact that so many
of you have come out tonight and really
telling us exactly where you stand on
this on this project and how you feel
about it it's always good for us to have
dialogue communication is important I
that uh the applicant really brought a
lot of things to the table for us to
look at same thing for those of you who
are feeling that you don't want this
into your area and everything else but I
will live this with you if um if you may
just sometimes realize that for the
greater good every single one of us
sometimes have to really re give a
little so that everybody else can
benefit from it thank you so much for
being here tonight
thank you council member Ellis um
council member
Stewart nothing for me mayor but Josh
please let's talk about that traffic get
that intersection done quicker please
all right council member Orinda you know
it's kind of Bittersweet tonight because
I worked with some of you on the
Anderson spring post office and I worked
on some of you on some neighborhood
issues so either way I go tonight I want
you know I still love you and I'll still
respond to whatever need you have but as
the mayor said earlier is going to be
half of you some of you will be
delighted tonight and some of you may
not be delighted um you know I've worked
with QT on another project I think you
might remember the one on
um McQueen and uh I believe it was AO I
work at the residence on that one uh
major concerns about it and never got
off the ground um you know um many of
the supporters that I read and talked to
they do consider QT a destination place
and we have these facts and figures 5%
2% 5% but if you talk to the people that
use QT and I have it's a destination
place they will drive outside to go to
QT for whatever Reasons I'm that's not a
business model that's that's positive
that's not a negative thing
um I'm not here to pick winners or
losers I'm not here to say chevron's any
better than QT I have electric car by
the way I just plugg my in it at night
and I go um so I'm not here to pick
winners or
losers um I'm also concerned of how
signatures are gathered and how it's
presented we've been through that we've
been through that before you do a very
well job on that we've worked we had
folks that work together that know you
so I'm not really worried about that as
much as what I am worried about and I
said this earlier too is what do the
folks in the immediate neighborhood feel
about this and I always that's my guid
post and the best majority of you have
told me friends I've been to a meeting
along with council member and cist
friends came up to me after their
meeting and said Matt we've been here a
long time so it's hard for me to to say
yes or no this at right time but
um my my role here is um my concern is
the intensity of this project I really
believe it's going to create more of a
issue with traffick and even with the
media and as our own traffic experts
said it will help I think the word was
will help two and three but really
necessarily solve the whole issue I only
wish we had this report earlier so we
could have digested it a little bit more
and and discuss it so
um with that I won't be supporting
this guys post
it um I would just like to Echo the
thoughts of thank you for being here
tonight I we did hear all of your your
voices I read all of those emails I had
a lot of concerns when this item first
came up um and walked through them uh
many of those concerns were satisfied
tonight and as we go through the budget
process I am going to encourage my
fellow council members to support taking
a look at addressing the traffic issues
which I agree seem to be some of the
most immediate concern and concerned
whether this and and a concern for the
neighborhood whether this item goes here
or not it seems to be an issue right now
so I'd like us to take a hard look at
what we can do to address that issue no
matter what happens thank
you Council U I believe voting is in
order motion passes 5 to2 with council
member enas and council member Orlando
Des okay thank
you um Council next on our agenda is
unscheduled public appearances I don't
see any cards is that still true city
clerk M hary yes there are there are no
cards okay and next is current events uh
got a couple comments related to this
yesterday uh mayor and Council we had
the opportunity to recognize residents
that serve on our boards and commissions
at our 2024 appreciation event I wanted
uh particularly thank our clerk's office
our fifth floor staff that put a lot of
work and energy into this to really
honor our um boards and commission
members it was a great morning of
connection a great morning of a gentle
reminder of the important work and and
insight that our boards and commissions
provide for our
Council and over the next couple weeks
there are several other volunteer
recognition events scheduled tonight for
example we had the Chandler Police
Department volunteer appreciation
banquet I I think even the leftovers
have been cleared Away by now so we will
not be attending there um sorry to our
volunteers tomorrow morning is the
Chandler volunteer recognition breakfast
this was first s suggested over a decade
ago by the Chandler nonprofit
Coalition it was directed and ran by far
our City Chandler for many years and now
it's under the thoughtful care and
direction of our diversity equity and
inclusion staff so I'm looking forward
to honoring our volunteers tomorrow at
the Center for the
Arts and um next Friday after our all
day budget session is the Chandler
Center for the Arts volunteer friends
appreciation so that will be exciting to
to honor and participate as well there's
a lot of good work being done in our
community so whether you serve as a
commission commer or volunteer you are
the reason that Chandler is awesome and
special secondly uh this Saturday is
Earth Day it's an exciting event I want
to make sure to highlight before I turn
over to council is Earth Day from
Saturday from 9 until noon come on down
to the Chandler Nature Center to enjoy
crafts activities information booths and
more this free familyfriendly event is a
perfect opportunity to get outside enjoy
beautiful veterans Oasis Park learn
about the importance of conservation and
sustainability I hope to see you there
and finally
to current and former Chandler High
grads like Mr
Inus tomorrow Saturday will be the 50th
anniversary of uh of our favorite Taco
spot on Arizona Avenue and
uh Elmer and uh be reading a
proclamation there at 11: and uh so we
want to celebrate Elmer's and their
contributions to our community as well
Mr council member inz um perfect I'll be
with you celebrating with a bean and
cheese burrito from El with sauce uh but
no other announcements thank you
guys council member Ellis and I'll be
there too because that's my one of my
favorite place but I would like to also
mention that uh new Chandler Museum
exhibit that just started next week
April 23rd there is an exciting uh new
exhibit at the Chandler Museum that I
wanted to highlight tonight the artist
is Judy GS uh she has interviewed and
photographed over 300 for graders in our
school students from across the world
from China from Nicaragua and from the
US she has compiled their stories which
is now an ex an exhibit at our Museum
highlighting the co uh all the
differences of childhood and also all
the common things that the childhood has
together to add local voices to this
exhibition Chandler Museum staff they
met with local forth graders at
Galviston Elementary School and um they
taughts are also on display so they put
everything on display for all of them
the fort gers project will be on view on
the chandel museum April 23rd until
August 11 2024 make sure you check it
out for those of you who would like to
be
there and this week is a national public
safety telecommunication so I would like
to thank our First Responders that are
in the room come on get up and stand up
let's clap for you all thank you so
much and it start April 14 to April 20th
it is the national Safety
telecommunication week as I said our
Police Department M provide essential
247 support to our community ensuring
that our residents have critical access
to city services when they need it the
most thank you for everything that you
do really appreciate you I want to thank
also uh the fire
department thank you for everything that
you do Chief and uh your team with that
near that's all I have for tonight
nice
nothing oh my God let's move quickly
council member Stewart well I want to be
quick City Park coming up this
weekend so we've got a couple of
exciting events cine Park the free
tumble weed movie series is starting
back on May 3d with a uh viewing of the
Super Mario's brothers movies bring a
blanket or a chair some snacks and come
enjoy come enjoy a movie Under the Stars
it's a great family event so make sure
you're there water safety walk is coming
up so after that c Park showing on May
4th at the Saturday come out the Desert
Oasis Aquatic Center for our annual
water safety walk our Channel fire
department is looking for volunteers so
Hing them and let them know if you'd
like to help out um and this is a great
event that makes a real difference in
preventing water related incidents in
our community and you can sign up or
learn more about our water are you doing
campaign on our website and and
then and then and then uh this morning
uh the mayor vice mayor Harris uh
council member Ellis and myself we
attended the governor's prayer breakfast
in downtown Phoenix and uh what a great
great way to start your morning 90
minutes people from all sides of the
aisle clergy Business Leaders uh just
kind of locking arms for about 90 90
minutes to uh to pray for our community
and and pray for peace and and for uh I
guess collaboration right just really
felt collaborative this morning so thank
you for attending and uh thanks for
being a part of that yeah
welcome mayor mayor I wanted to
tell mark thank you so much for inviting
us and and being there and and all the
hospitality just really thank you for
than I appreciate you Council membera
mayor I'm going embarass you a little
bit I just want to thank you for
conducting a very good meeting tonight
excellent meeting tonight you know you
read about a lot of councils over the
valley and throughout the United States
and uh we had a very civil crowd here
and you handle it well and I certainly
appreciate indulging me in a little bit
more details to bend the rules a little
bit so we get some more information so
thank you anytime thank you for asking
for that the additional clarification
how thanks as well thank you counc
member thank you mayor nothing tonight
mayor all right city
manager thank you mayor and Council just
briefly want to wish you all a Happy
Passover which starts on money haa happy
passord to everyone thank you all right
Council uh get ready for Budget day on
Friday and read those big books and uh
concludes our
meeting are we having
donuts for Budget briefing no donuts
come on