CIty of Chandler Study Session 5/5/2025

Mayor Hark.
I'm here. Okay, good. We'll start in a
minute.
Thank you.
Good afternoon everyone.
Everyone, thank you for being here in
the chamber with us this evening. We
about to start our meeting at this time
and I would like to call this meeting in
order.
Can you please take the um Vice Mayor
Ellis here. Council member Incas here.
Council member Poston here. Council
member Orlando here. Council member
Harris here. Council member Hawkins
here. And Mayor Hartkey
here.
We have a We would like to thank our
mayor for being online this evening.
He's all the way in Germany and so
that's why I'm sitting here right now
representing him this evening. So again,
thank you for being here. At this time,
I would like to call um us to go down
for scheduled public appearance. Vice
Mayor, former Vice Mayor Lindo and
Council Member Olo, can you come down
with me, please?
We have quite a few of those this
evening. Mayor, are you listening?
You might have gone to bed. It's three
o'clock in the morning over there right
now. Thank you. Josh, could you please
go ahead and City Manager? Yes. Thank
you, Madam Vice Mayor, members of the
council. We do have three employee
service recognitions this evening. And
for the first, I'd like to call up our
assistant chief of police, Jason
Sakowski.
Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh,
we'd like to welcome up Christy Swan.
[Applause]
Today we're recognizing Christy Swan for
10 years of dedicated service to the
Chandler Police Department. Christy
began her career here as a forensic
scientist, focused on latent print
comparisons, and quickly became a
respected and reliable part of the team.
Her attention to detail and strong
commitment to the field have made a
lasting impact on the quality and
professionalism of our forensic services
section. In 2017, she was honored as the
department's civilian employee of the
year, a well-deserved recognition for
her contributions. Over the years, her
dedication and leadership have earned
her a promotion to forensic scientist
supervisor, where she continues to guide
and support her team. In addition to her
technical work, Christy has developed
and delivered a training training on
courtroom testimony and ethics, further
supporting the growth and
professionalism of the forensic science
community. Christy, thank you for the
expertise, leadership, and dedication
you've brought to this department over
the past decade. We're very proud to
celebrate this milestone with you. So,
thank you.
[Applause]
Madame Vice Mayor, members of council,
for our next recognition, I'd like to
call up Leah Powell, our neighborhood
resources director.
Good evening, mayor and council. I would
like to ask Ricardo Diaz to please come
up and join us at the front. Please join
me in congratulating Ricardo on his 20
years of service with the city of
Chandler. Ricardo is a proud born and
raised Chandler native. And I can tell
you that Ricardo's service to the
community started at a very young age as
his father was one of our neighborhood
leaders in the Galveastston neighborhood
and served on various boards and
commissions. So Ricardo, like other
members in his family, have really
dedicated his life to service. For the
past 20 years, Ricardo has been an asset
to Team Chandler, serving in various
roles, including housing, solid waste,
water meter services, Hamilton library,
which we stole him from the library.
Sorry,
John. Not really though. And code
enforcement. Ricardo has a remarkable
work ethic. We are so proud to have him
as part of our team. He provides
exceptional customer service. He has a
strong desire to learn and it's just an
honor to have him as as part of our team
there. And I want to recognize tonight
he is joined by his wife Ryan and his
two daughters Rory and baby Reese who's
only four months old. So we all got to
celebrate Reese being born. So thank you
very much for all your years of service.
Ricardo,
[Applause]
would you like
Madame Vice Mayor, members of city
council, for our third and final
recognition, we've got a big one. We're
going to introduce uh John Septton, our
community services director, to make the
presentation. Well, good evening, mayor
and council. It is my honor to invite
Mickey down for his 30 years service
[Applause]
recognition. All right. So, you know,
you're going to have to suffer through
this. It It was through the power of
technology and even the employ of a
microfish reader that I was able to find
Mickey Olen's original hire
paperwork. So, after Mickey graduated
from Texas Tech University with a degree
in landscape architecture, he began his
public service with a few notable Texas
communities, Richardson, Plano, and
Denton. And my research revealed that it
was likely another Texan that shared the
opportunity and the vision of the green
green pastures of our beloved Chandler,
Arizona with Mickey. Well, in May of
1995, Mickey was offered the role of
landscape coordinator. And over the
years, he's held the titles of planning
park planning superintendent, park
development operations manager, and
today he serves as the community
services planning senior manager. and he
doesn't manage other seniors. It's just
the
title. A few things that really stood
out during my research and uh looking at
the letters of recommendation from back
in the early 90s. Mickey's an expert at
meshing opposing opinions, dealing with
restricted budgets, yet never
compromising final design. He works well
in teams and his teamwork approach and
people skills are a tremendous asset. He
pushes new ideas and design solutions.
And he's dependable and
conscientious. There's not a park
there's not a park space at all in
Chandler that Mickey hasn't had
influence on in over or
otherwise. From playgrounds to memorials
to sports fields to skate parks and bike
parks and Yeah. Yeah. pickle ball
courts. Mickey, you've made Chandler a
great place to be. It doesn't seem like
you've changed a bit from those early
years in your early in your career.
Maybe the hair isn't there anymore. I'm
honored to work alongside you and
witness the impacts that you've had on
our community as well as the
organization. Special thanks to Kelly
and your girls for sharing you with us
uh and making sure that you leave the
house dressed appropriately every
day. and we we with from the bottom of
our hearts uh thank you for your 30
years of commitment your creativity and
your all-around fun. Thank you.
[Applause]
Thank you. Well, you're not going to get
away like this so quickly. Yes, you're
not. 30 years is a lot of years to have
given to this city. And this evening,
would you like to say a few words?
[Music]
Oh, really? 30 30 30 years doesn't seem
like it. So, you would think I'd know
how to do this by now. Yeah. No, it's
it's flown by. Um, I just want to thank
all my friends and family, past
co-workers, Dave McDow, my first boss
here, Chris, everybody. I just
appreciate everybody coming out. Jeff
back there. Um, a lot of good times. Um,
we've done a lot of good stuff. A lot
more stuff to do. I don't think John
will let me go till we finish Mosqu
Groves. Right. So, um, and the council,
mayor and council, thank you for all the
support over the years. So, it's been
great. Still going to be continue to be
great. All right. Good. Another 30
years. All
right.
Thank you. Now, let's take some
pictures.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Vice Mayor, that concludes our service
recognitions this evening. Thank you.
Thank you, city manager. At this time,
we would like to continue with
recognition and I'm want to call road to
reaches car show. They're here. Miss
Leah, could you please come forward and
give us
some information about them and you are
with Neighborhood Resources, don't you?
Yes. All right, let's get you going.
Thank you very much. We appreciate the
opportunity this evening. I'd like to um
call up founders Jerome Daniels and Lisa
Daniels of the Be a Mushroom Foundation.
As I tell you a little bit about the
mushroom or BAM, BAM is dedicated to
uplifting communities by providing
essential resources and education that
promote financial stability and
empowerment through strategic
partnerships and initiatives. The
foundation aims to break the cycle of
poverty and enable individuals and
families to achieve lasting financial
independence. So if Jerome and Lisa, if
you want to go ahead in front there and
then actually if you could you want to
call up your board members. We have Dr.
Mr. Hogard and Alyssa Allen that could
also come up. Please. We'll come down.
Come on down.
Okay, perfect. Um, I just want to tell
you a little bit about the partnership
with BAM. The city has been so fortunate
to have an organization like BAM really
kind of adopt our housing youth program.
We're really focusing on housing to
breaking that cycle of poverty and so
much of that can start with our youth.
So Jerome will tell you a little bit
about money vehicle and road to riches
and really what that means to our kids
in the housing youth program and also a
program that we are able to begin
offering to our family self-sufficiency
participants as well. Right. So our
program is an online program. It's in
English and in Spanish. Um it could be
implemented in any uh any area from
community um centers to schools. Um it's
12 chapters. It breaks down everything
from opening up a bank account all the
way to what an IRA is. So, this program
is step by step. Um, we are trying to
push this everywhere in Chandler and
then expand to other communities. Um,
but we wanted to use Chandler as our
base and uh make sure we can get this
out to all the kids. Um, we we have
what's called the Road to Riches. That's
the name of our program is the Road to
Riches Financial Literacy Program. Um,
we actually have the Road to Riches car
shows. What that's going to do is bring
the community together and do something
fun where kids and families and everyone
can come together and we kind of use
that concept of Road to Riches as a
concept of bringing all that together.
Um, we would like to with one of our
partners, we can move on to this. Yes,
sure. Um, First Interstate Bank has been
a amazing um, uh, connection. uh we've
partnered together and I'd like to bring
Katie up and uh present her with this
award. They're a community bank right
across the street here. They they do
amazing things. Um and this is for you.
Thank you so much for u joining us in
this mission to bring financial literacy
to everyone here in uh in Chandler. So
we really appreciate that. Thank you.
Yeah.
And Go ahead and do that. So, um, one
thing we thought was really important
for our car show, which is on, it was on
April 12th. Um, we have the city of
Chandler best in show. I mean, we
thought this would be the best
opportunity, um, for that. So, uh, the
winners, you Myra and Rudy Ruiz, Myra
and Rudy, come on up.
So
yeah, city employee does a great job. Uh
they have a beautiful uh old school car
has beautiful car and we thought this
would be the best way to present them
with their award uh is to give that to
them here. So
all right, we'd love to get your
picture. Do a great picture.
You're on the right track.
[Applause]
Second one. We're moving on to the
next recognition. At this time, I would
like to ask
u this one is going to be a proclamation
actually uh with the national for the
national water safety month drowning in
prevention month. Can I please have
everyone come
[Applause]
down?
Would you like to move this one for us?
Oh, yeah, sure. Good thing I wore my
glasses. Congratulations.
Great. Whereas Chandler recognizes that
swimming aquatic related activities and
water safety are an integral part of
communities to enhance residential's
physical, mental, and emotional
well-being. And whereas Chandler
recognized the importance of aquatic
programs and facilities within the city
which make Chandler an attractive and
desirable place to live, work, play, and
visit while contributing to exceptional
quality of life and overall vitality.
And whereas Chandler encourages
residents to understand the essential
role that water safety education,
learning to swim, and water barriers
play in preventing drownings and water
related injuries while also recognizing
the potential dangers of standing water
in a house around a household. hand.
Whereas residents must be vigilant and
practice water safety layers of
protection with individuals of all ages,
including active adult supervision,
effective barriers, swim classes for
nonswmers, and the use of certified life
jacket when appropriate. And I'll add
this, two eyes at all time. There you
go. I beat you to the punch, boys. Final
whereas the aquatics police and fire
department partner with the community in
their ongoing efforts and commitment to
educate the public on water safety best
practices and initiatives. And now for
Kevin Harkin and Mayor Chander do hereby
complain the month of May 25th as water
safety month.
[Applause]
All right. Hi everyone. Uh, water safety
month is a perfect time to refresh our
knowledge in the ABCs of water safety.
Uh, adult supervision is key. So, never
leave children unattended near the water
for any period of time and always
designate a water watcher whose sole job
is it to keep their eyes on the
water. Barriers. Make sure that pools
and spas have barriers such as pool
fences and gates with self-closing and
self-latching mechanisms. It's important
to check them regularly and make sure
they are in good working order. Classes
um are vital and we encourage everyone
in the family to take swim lessons. We
offer swim lessons for all ages and at
all times. And tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. we
start um registration for Chandler
residents for the summer. And devices is
the last one. We recommend US Coast
Guard approved life jackets for weak
swimmers or children um anytime they're
around the water and do not rely on
inflatable toys or water wings as a
safety device. So let's work together
and make this a safe and fun summer
water season.
[Applause]
just a different perspective from the
firefighter side. Uh police officers uh
we are the first responders that go to
these incidents and uh unfortunately
pull somebody from the pool or somebody
has already been pull pulled from that
pool. Um so keeping eye to eye
supervision on the children or loved
ones for that matter in a pool is the
the most critical thing.
Life safety is and will always be our
number one priority as firefighters and
police officers. We need your help to
make sure that our community is safe. We
are reactionary. So things happen, we
get called, we come and we do what we
do. We need your help to keep your eyes
on your children, your loved ones, so
that we do not have to endure the pain
that the family is going through, the
police officers, firefighters go through
exactly the same thing. Um, we see it on
a I won't say regular basis, but we see
it more often than the average person.
So, we just need your help to not only
protect your loved ones, but also I
would like to protect my firefighters so
that they don't have to go in and um
experience those tragic situations that
they'll carry with them for the rest of
their lives. So we thank you mayor and
council for the opportunity to do the
things that we do uh for the classes uh
that we that we are providing through
recreation for the aquatics. Uh and we
just thank you for your diligence in
helping us keep the community safe.
Next we have a proclamation for National
Police Week and Peace Officers Memorial
Day. I'm backing up the blue right now.
So, since this morning I've been wearing
my blue, so we're ready. Thank you so
much. And I think I'll take this one.
Can you please come and join
us? Thank you, G. Appreciate that.
Whereas the Congress and President of
the United States have designated May 15
as Peace Officers Memorial Day and the
week in which May 15 falls as National
Police Week. And whereas the members of
the Chandler Police Department play an
essential role in safeguarding the
rights and freedoms of the resident of
Chandler in pursuit of its mission. And
whereas it is important that all
residents know and understand the
duties, responsibilities, hazard and
sacrifices of their police department.
And whereas that the members of our
police department recognize their duty
to serve the people by safeguarding life
and property against violence and
disorders, protecting innocent people
against deception and the weak against
oppression. And whereas the men and
women of the Chandler Police Department
unnecess un
unceasingly unsistently provide a vital
public service to the community and are
deserving of being honored as heroes.
Now thereof, I, Kevin Harky, mayor of
the city of Chandler, Arizona, doby
proclaim May 11 to the 17, 2025 and May
15, 2025 as National Week and as Peace
Officers Memorial Day. Thank you for
your
service. May
we thank you so much. We'll turn to say
a few words. Uh, mayor and council,
thank you for the proclamation. Thank
you for continuing this annual annual
proclamation that we do every year in
the city of Chandler. Um, as many of you
were present this morning, today we
hosted our annual memorial service for
the nine Chandler officers that have
given their life in the line of duty
since 1995. Um, we certainly ask you to
keep them and their families in your
hearts throughout this week. Um, and
while this week is definitely um about
remembrance of those that have fallen
and given their life in a in an act of
service, this is also a chance for our
community to really celebrate and
recognize the entire profession that
does give so much and acts in courageous
fashion on so many occasions. We
encourage all of our residents to please
uh wear a blue ribbon on your on your
shirt, your jacket, a fix one to your
vehicle in some manner, or you can even
put a blue light in front of your house.
Um, but again, we most of all thank our
community for their continued support.
We just appreciate this proclamation
from all of you. So, thank you very
much. Really appreciate all you do.
Thank you.
Next we have a procommission for
municipal week uh clerk week May 4th to
the 10th 2025. Will the clerk team
please join me at the front?
Thank you. Come on down. Look at the
team.
It's a huge group. We want the whole
team here. That's for sure. All right.
I'm going to stand right there since I'm
reading it to all of you. I won't give
you my bag, but I'll stand right this
way.
Okay. Thank you, sir. Here we go.
Whereas the office of the professional
municipal clerk, a timehonored and vital
part of local government exists
throughout the world. And whereas the
office of the professional municipal
clerk is the oldest among public
servants. And whereas the office of the
professional municipal clerk provides
the professional link between the
citizens, the local government bodies
and agencies of government at other
levels. And whereas the professional
municipal clerk serves as the
information center on functions of local
government and community. And whereas
professional municipal clerks strive to
improve the administration of the office
of the professional municipal clerk
through participation in education
program seminars workshop and the annual
meeting of their state county
international professional organization.
Now thereof, I, Kevin Harky, mayor of
the city of Chandler, Arizona, doby
proclaim May 4th be with
you. May 4th to May 10, 2025 as
professional municipal clerks week. Come
on, put your hand together for our team.
This is
great. All right, would you like to say
a few words? There we go.
Vice Mayor Ellis, Mayor Hartkey, um
council members, I want to thank you for
recognizing um municipal clerks week. As
municipal clerks, we are often asked the
dreaded question of what is it that you
do? Um well, there's a lot of answers to
that question, but if you remember
anything, remember that clerks are the
official the official recordkeeper for
the for the city. um we run elections,
but most importantly, we provide
transparency in government. So, I'd like
to thank this exceptional clerk staff
for all that they do. They work every
day to um serve the residents of
Chandler. So, thank you. A small team,
but
mighty. Thank you for your work. We're
ready for pictures. Should we put you in
the middle there with your Uhhuh. She's
going in the middle. Uhhuh.
in the middle.
Over to me.
And that concludes all our
presentations. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you. Finally, we have a
scheduled public appearance by Mr.
Martin regarding nuance bird feeding.
Mr. Martin, can you please come forward?
Sir, this evening you will have three
minutes. When you see the light in front
of you turn yellow, please begin to wrap
up your comments. When you see the light
turn red, you are out of time.
Okay. Council, at this time, the only
thing we can do council as council and
mayor is to ask some question of you
after your comment or we may need staff
uh to gather additional information for
us to get back to you at a later date.
Okay, please begin your comment. Oh,
before you begin your comment, if I may
ask, please can you please state your
name, address, and for the records? Yes.
Um, thank you. My name is Martin and I
live at 457 North Newport Street,
Chandler, Arizona. Yes, sir. Thank you.
Uh, mayor, members of the council, thank
you for the opportunity to speak. My
name is Dane Martin. I'm a proud member
of uh the Chandler City. I'm here today
to request that the city council
consider enacting a nuisance bird
feeding ordinance to protect homeowners
like me from serious consequences of
excessive and irresponsible bird
feeding. What started as one neighbor's
attempt to protect his extensive
gardening both front and backyards has
now become a neighborhoodwide health and
property nuisance. By placing large
amounts of feed outdoors daily, he has
unintentionally created a bird buffet
that has attracted not only native birds
like doves, but worse, flocks of
pigeons, starings, and sparrows. Birds
classified in Arizona as nuisance
species not native to our state. A
morning flock is usually one to 200
birds that fly every time we close our
trash can, and our property literally
gets dive bombed with feces. The impact
has been devastating. Our homes, patios,
and decks are constantly soiled with
bird feces. We recently replaced our
roof that began leaking it to a tune of
$24,000. And when they lifted the
ceramic tile, you could see where the
bird droppings had eaten away the
underllayment, particularly at the edges
and the hip of the roof. And perhaps
most disturbing, we've begun seeing rats
in the neighborhood. And amongst the
neighbors, dawn uh they're drawn to the
leftover bird seed and the free garden
food. This is not just a matter of
personal inconvenience due to the
extensive time we spend daily um hosing
down our home, our deck, and our outdoor
furniture. This is a public health
issue. According to the CDC, both wild
birds and rodents can carry over 60
diseases that are transmissible to
humans, including salmonella,
hystoppplasmosis, and lestrotherosis.
Bird droppings are also known breeding
ground for fungal spores, and rats
follow food. Once rats are established,
they can in uh infest addicts, chew
electrical wiring, and spread further
damage throughout the community. And it
doesn't take much. Studies show that as
simple as one pound of food left out can
feed hundreds of rodents per day. We
don't want to punish people for enjoying
nature, but unregulated and excessive
feeding crosses the line. One that
impacts neighbors, damages property,
lowers home values, and threatens the
health of our families and pets. We've
lived in our home since 2005 and the
bird and the rodent problem began when
COVID as they started planting gardens
and then feeding the birds so they
wouldn't eat their gardens at our
expense. I respectfully urge this
council to consider adopting a nuisance
feeding ordinance not to prevent
responsible bird lovers from enjoying
backyard visits but to establish limits
and consequences for excessive negligent
behavior that invites infestation and
harm. Other cities such as Phoenix,
Tempe, Mesa, and Scottdale have already
addressed this issue and I'm asking for
your help to protect my home.
Thank you, Mr. Martin. Really appreciate
you coming out this evening. Absolutely,
Commissioner.
Yes, go ahead.
Thank you. Um, sir, have you had any
conversations with your neighbor about
this just as a starting point? And has
there been any sort of responsiveness or
Yeah, unfortunately the neighbor is
hostile. We've we've spent uh roughly
$500 on various different things trying
to keep it from happening. We've worked
with community services. I've worked
extensively with code enforcement. Code
enforcement said their hands are tied.
We do not have an ordinance to protect
people from feeding wild birds. And I'm
I it's just it's ruined my home. It's
ruining the neighborhood. and but all
attempts to work with them not working.
Okay. I'd be interested, city manager,
um before we jump into an ordinance of
our own if there any if this is truly a
health issue if there's anything that
the county that's covered by the county
or if you know if it's not covered by
the county to see what other cities are
doing. So, yes,
I
think you first. Thank you. you know,
um, council, this is the third person
that's come before us. Y, uh, we've had
a couple emails of Bird. Um, I know
we're trying not to be punitive here,
but also I have to respect your rights,
particularly some of these really, um,
horrible pictures, quite frankly. Yes.
And um I think it's time that we we take
a look at an ordinance and perhaps a
subcommittee could be put one of our sub
neighborhood subcommittee or one of the
subcommittee I don't know which one it
goes but let's do some research. Let's
get back let's do a uh take a hard look
at this and so that we could allow
individuals like you to enjoy your
backyard. And I've always said before I
believe in property rights. Yes.
property rights go only as far as your
neighbors and then you have property
rights. So, I think it's important right
now that we send a strong message and
that we we will uh look at this issue
and that we could come up with some uh
good uh language that'll help residents
like him and our city employees,
particularly one more time, mayor, vice
mayor, particularly if he did reach out
to his neighbors. And that's the concern
I think a lot of people are saying is
exactly I'm very concerned about the
reaction. And if we could be the middle
person for that reaction, he's safe, his
neighbors are safe, feel safer, and we
can maybe get resol resolution to their
problem. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank
you, Councilman Menz. Thank you, Vice
Mayor. Um, as well, city manager, if we
can get some information as far as other
cities and what the county is currently
doing or what they have in place. Um, I
I don't know exactly how much excessive
herb um feed is or what that is
considered or what amount would cause a
public health.
Like council member Orlando stated, I
would like to see a balance between um
individual property rights as well as
the concerns for safety. So we can just
get some on that. Thank you,
Council Member Harris. Yeah. Um just
want to make sure that um Council Member
Orlando mentioned three complaints. um
if there's a way that we can more so
study the issue to see you know is is
that is there more than outside of three
is it happening other places uh in this
in the city so maybe we can expand the
conversation
um to see if there is um to see if
that's happening so just kind of add
that into that statement thanks vice
mayor thank you any other question I do
have a question for our attorney
If I may ask, uh, where are we? I know
this is not the first time we've heard
from Mr. Martin and I know that we have
had conversation and contact with him
before. Where are we in thinking about
uh drafting an ordinance or anything?
Have we done any research in the past
looking into that or is it this is the
first time he's asking for an ordinance?
Madame vice mayor, members of council,
I'm probably better qualified to answer
that. We have Thank you so much.
Um, as you mentioned, we have looked at
this issue before and we've had some
other complaints. We've been fortunate
and then with the other two complaints,
we've been able to resolve those by
working with neighbors and we've come to
a resolution that didn't end up
requiring an ordinance. Um, but that
aside, we are certainly happy to do some
research again on ordinances both at the
city and county level and determine if
there is some options that might be
appealing to this council. Yeah, I'm I'm
really all about trying to resolve it
first before we go and get the whole
city involved into an ordinance with
that. But truly, we need to come in and
try to help with this situation. I
appreciate that. Thank you. We all have
heard you right now and then um our city
manager have taken notes. I see him
previously writing over there. Okay. So,
you'll definitely be hearing from him.
Awesome. Thank you so much. Go ahead.
Um, I just wanted to make sure that um
that we include the notes from code
enforcement because I would like to
learn what they've that they have gained
over that period of time and I know they
they do a thorough job of making sure
they go through processes and sometimes
their process is limited to counsel. So,
I just kind of want to better understand
what they've learned and what the what
they've gained uh over that period of
time. Uh I I code enforcement does
really good and I know that you may have
shared that you have had some different
experiences but I I have a lot of
confidence in our code enforcement. So I
don't want to take that away from them
course but together we're a community so
we'll work together. We'll look at what
code enforcement have gathered and what
their stopping points are and we'll work
together as a community to make sure we
support each other. Okay so we can put
forth the best decision to help support
what needs to be done. That would be
awesome. Thank you so much. All right.
Thank you. Thank you so much for coming.
You're welcome.
All right. Let's continue. As we looked
at uh there was council, there were no
items called on our consent agenda for
this
evening. So, we will vote on the agenda
during Thursday's meeting if everybody
is agreeable with what's on the agenda
for next week. We're all in. All in. All
right. Thank you so much for coming. And
this is the time when we say good nights
you all Thursday.