City Council | Special and Regular Meeting - September 24, 2024

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I call the September 24th 2024 city
council special meeting to order city
clerk Ben Lane please conduct the roll
call thank you mayor mayor David Ortega
pres vice mayor Barry Graham pres
council memb is tamy caputi here Tom
Durham here Betty Janik here Kathy
Littlefield here and Salan Whitehead
here city manager Jim
Thompson here City attorney Sher Scott
here and the clerk is present thank you
mayor well excellent um we have two
items on our special meeting agenda um
and they have to do with the board and
commission appointments so I will turn
the meeting over to vice mayor Graham
who will be chairing this portion of the
meeting thank you mayor it be my honor
to chair this portion of the
meeting the Scotts sale city council is
responsible for establishing City
policies and enacting laws in support of
those policies the council relies on
volunteer citizen-based boards and
commissions to research issues and make
recommendations in support of the
council's mission and
agenda the information and
recommendations provided by us to from
uh from you to us Council appointed
advisory boards is a valuable tool in
helping council members in their
deliberations this afternoon the city
council will be appointing Scottsdale
residents interested in serving on
various boards and
commissions we'd like to thank the
individuals for their willingness to
volunteer their time in service to this
community following the set of
interviews we will vote on the
appointment for the board and commission
so uh some housekeeping as I call your
name please approach the podium and
briefly answer the cover the following
questions your
name your address how long you've lived
in the city of
Scottdale please tell us how your
education employment and volunteer
experience relates to the board and
commission and please share with us the
top issue that you believe faces the
boarding
commission please limit your time to 2
minutes which the uh mayor will
enforce we have a timer by the screen to
help you manage your
time and following each nominee's
response I will ask council members and
the mayor if they have any follow-up
questions for you before taking a
vote we will start with the board of
adjustments at the top of the
alphabet Board of adjustment is a quasi
judicial body that hears variance
request appeals of the zoning
administrators
administrator interpretations and
decisions and decides on administrative
decisions or zoning requirements which
create unnecessary hardships in the
development of property because of
exceptional or extraordinary conditions
there was one vacancy and two nominees
the nominees tonight are Paul Gary who I
understand is unavailable to join us but
he
is interested in serving on the board
he's remains unavailable okay and I will
call up uh Mr Jay
Leupold thank
you good afternoon Mr Mayor Mr vice
mayor and council members my name is Jay
Leopold and I live at uh 16580 North
105th Street which is McDow Mountain
Ranch and I have been a resident of
Scottsdale for 18 years when I moved to
start my My First Solar Company from
Chicago cuz you can't uh run a Solar
Company in
Chicago um I have served on the board of
adjustments during the covid years and
I'm available to you if you need me I
have experience and I am happy to
help thank you Mr Leopold I will now ask
my colleagues if there are any
questions well seeing none thank you and
I will uh invite raml Cordova to help us
track our
votes I will start with uh to the far
end council member caputi uh Paul Gary
please Jay
Leopold Paul
Gary Paul Gary Paul Gary Paul
Gary um if someone gets a majority do we
need to keep voting RL if you can vice
mayor please for okay uh Mr
Gary thank
you building Advisory Board of
Appeals building Advisory Board of
Appeals has the jurisdiction to
recommend the minor variances in
Electrical Plumbing and mechanical
application of the building code be
granted and that alternative
construction methods and materials be
allowed with two vacancies and three
nominees the nominees are Mr Bennett Mr
Chad Bennett Mr Frederick detman and Mr
Michael
kravit Mr Michael krait's term has
expired in September and he is eligible
for reappointment and he will be
participating in today's meeting
electronically again there are two
vacancies and three nominees I will
invite Mr Chad Bennett to the podium
uh thank you for having me Mr Mayor
councel um my name is Chad Bennett I
live at 8626 East cells Drive I am a
resident working on a year now I've been
in the Phoenix Valley for 12 years um I
have sat on the building Board of
adjustment uh the building board of
appeals and the Planning and Zoning
Board of Bullhead City I've also taken
their Master government course um some
time ago before I moved out here to
Phoenix I'm currently a general
contractor a landscape contractor I hold
two different
licenses um and the reason I wanted to
join the board is there is a definitely
a stigma in the construction World about
working with two municipalities city of
Scottsdale is one of them and Maricopa
County is the other um and I want to try
to bridge that Gap um there is a lot of
uh uh different parts of different
different organizations and building um
affiliations that I have um that it it's
constantly like
a have to deal with the city of
Scottdale and I I think if we can um I
think there's a lot of
uh homeowners that don't want to get
building permits that don't want to go
through things and I've even heard uh
contractors talk about it so I think
it's important to try to bridge that Gap
and and see kind of how this committee
works and and what this committee does
and maybe making recommendations for um
how we can bridge that Gap from the the
building officials the building
department to getting permits and things
like
that any questions for Mr
Bennett yes uh Mr Bennett I think you
said you've been in Scottdale one year
close to 10 months and then I think I
heard you said you had been in Phoenix
12 years yes and that was after Bullhead
City yes okay so during those 12 years
when you were in Phoenix have you done
much work in
Scottdale uh yeah we do quite it we
serve the whole valley both my general
contracting company and my landscape
construction company yes and I've had a
firsthand experience with the permitting
process uh with the city of Scottdale um
so I know firsthand what what some of
the difficulties are on the homeowner
side of
things okay thank
you any more question questions for Mr
Bennett seeing none thank you okay I'll
invite Mr detman
up Mr Frederick
detman appears not to be here and so
with that um we will move to Mr kravit I
understand electronically
participating yes I'm here very good
please you have two minutes and uh
please begin
sure uh good afternoon Mr Mayor and uh
council members I am Michael kravit I've
been serving on the board of appeals now
for the past three years uh the last two
years as the vice chairman I have
enjoyed the honor and privilege of
serving and the uh main issue that has
come before us over the past uh two
years has been uh the revisions to the
uh building code upgrades uh working
with the various
um uh Builders and homeowners in the
public to get their opinions and
feelings on the uh new code revision so
on and so forth um I've been a licensed
architect for approximately 45 years um
I practice currently out of my home in
True North at 10430 East Skinner Drive
currently have projects in Paradise
Valley Scottdale Mesa Gilbert and Tempe
in various uh uh phases um it's been
Anon honor and a privilege to work with
Michael clack and the other members of
the um the board and it's been an
amazing experience and I've really
enjoyed um giving back to the uh city of
Scottdale uh as an architect if you have
any questions um maybe I got something
um oh and I'm coming to you live from
the mountains of Colorado so I do
appreciate you allowing me to uh call in
remotely well very good thank you Mr
kravit any questions seeing none thank
you for thank you for speaking and with
that we will thank you very much turn it
to uh RL to take our votes I'll start
with uh council member Janik thank you
um Chad Bennett and Michael
kravit no
additional councilwoman little they have
to do it okay Chad Bennett and Michael
kravit um Mr kravit and Mr Bennett
uh Mr Bennett Mr
kravit Mr kravit and Mr
Bennett same too can I say
that no they wouldn't let me okay okay
okay kravit and
Bennett Chad Bennett Michael
kravit congratulations Mr Bennett and
congratulations again for a second term
to Mr
krabit moving on to Citizens Bond
oversight committee we have one opening
this committee receives reports on the
city's progress in implementing the bond
program reviewing any proposed project
changes and providing commentary to the
city council with respect to bond
program as the committee deems
appropriate there is one vacancy and two
nominees BR M BR mcke has withdrawn her
application from for uh from
consideration nominees are April Holland
who is participating today
electronically and Scott sandel who we
will ask to remain ready um we can start
with um Miss Holland uh if we can bring
her up
electronically hi Miss Holland you have
two minutes please
begin hi I moved to Arizona in
1991 been
resent volunteering for
I'm a subject matter
expert
oper Miss uh Miss Holland um sorry to
interrupt you but you're we're losing a
little bit of connectivity if you could
make sure your microphone and connection
are are stable I'm not sure how much how
much you can do but we want to be able
to hear everything you
say okay can you hear me a little bit
better yes I I don't know what you might
have changed something but that came in
loud and clear
please okay so um yeah
have
really um Miss Holland you still there
still seems to be some interruption in
your connection and the mayor is
suggesting that perhaps you could
preserve some of your bandwidth by uh
turning off your video to isolate your
connection to your to your
sound is that what you meant okay as as
an as simply troubleshooting an
attempt okay so is this better yes so
far okay so in addition to my knowledge
that specific to me
have in the financial fields that
includes management
retirement for ultra high net
worth real estate
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um and pension
operation budget plan
project Miss Holland there there there
continues to be disruption with the
connection so I think what we're going
to do is I spoke to the city clerk we're
going to we're going to um end the
connection and then if she can call back
okay they'll call they'll call you back
to reestablish the connection and I
think we'll just take a moment I'll
invite Scott
sandal if he is here Mr
sandal so what I'm going to ask um what
I've been told to ask you is
to hang up and we will call you back to
reestablish the connection to hopefully
hopefully one that's more s
it's there a stronger
connection and it sounds it appears that
Mr sandal is not with us today vice
mayor um if you'd like we can uh just
pause that appointment momentarily and
we can go to the historic preservation
commission and then come back to it
okay uh RL Cordova is telling me to go
to the historic preservation commission
next for
um one
nominee one applicant historic
preservation oversees the development
and management of the city's historic
preservation program one vacancy one
nominee Miss Rose Smith whose term
expired is eligible for reappointment
she's unable
to join us today but she is interested
in serving so let's go ahead and vote on
on this preservation commission I'll
start with council member oh mayor did
you have a comment no no that's fine uh
I'll start with council member little
field thank you uh I'll vote for Rose
Smith Rose Smith Rose Smith Rose Smith
Miss Smith Rose Smith Rose
Smith congratulations Mr Smith Excuse Me
Miss
Smith and now I'm going to see if I
should go back to bonds or if I should
move on keep going okay yeah I will
Forge ahead to human relations
commission one opening human relations
commission Advocates and promotes all
dimensions of diversity the commission
acts as an advisory body to the mayor
city council and staff to make
recommendations on ways to encourage
mutual respect and understanding among
people to discourage prejudice and
discrimination and to work towards
cultural awareness and unity there's one
vacancy and two nominees nominees are as
follows jeie mcana who is unable to join
us but she is still interested on
serving the commissions and and Mr James
James Somerville or Somerville depending
on how you might pronounce that I hope
you correct me Mr Su
Somerville please um when you reach the
podium please um state your name and you
have two minutes thank you my name is
Jim
Somerville um only my father called me
James and only when I was in big trouble
I live at I live at
19475 North greyhawk Drive that's in the
greyhawk subdivision the Torro part of
that um I became a part-time resident in
2003 when my wife and I visited
Scottdale for the first time and at the
end of the first day of shopping she
came home and informed me that we had
just bought a
condominium um we liveed 14 so 21 years
as a part-time resident and then in
2010 we moved down from Steamboat
Springs Colorado much the same weather
as this 30 feet of snow in the winter um
and we became full-time Scottdale
residents how am I
qualified after 20 years of of uh broad
range HR leadership roles in companies
like Michelin
Whirlpool uh Kelloggs at Carney and
Smith or Spencer Stewart I retired but
that lasted exactly four days I formed
my own consulting firm which has been
very successful for the last 21 years I
have about
125 clients and I'm proud to say all of
them came as a result of referrals I've
never done any advertising
all of the work that I do with them is
in the area of human resources and I do
most of the projects are very similar to
what the the human relations commission
and the relationship it would have with
the
HR the HR people in the in the city of
Scottdale
um I also have served as a CEO a
chairman president COO of several public
and private companies both here in the
United States and in
Europe how do I
um how do I believe my contributions and
my experience would help the commission
I know how organizations run well and
that's the objective of doing exactly
what I've been doing with all of my
clients for the
last almost 60 years
um my particular strengths are relating
to uh selecting Mr Somerville you've
your time have expired if you could just
wrap up your comments okay thank you I I
know what needs to be done very good any
questions for Mr Somerville oh council
member could you just answer the last
question I actually would like to hear
your thoughts on the top issue facing
the board commission I I couldn't
understand oh sorry what do you think
the top issue is facing our commission I
I think the top issue is identifying
with the staff members in the city in
human resources and in
operations what what their goals are and
making sure that the that Dei diversity
equity and inclusion which had started
out a year ago two years ago as great
things and are now being dumped by a lot
of companies are not taken to the
extreme and that we identify in all of
our activities the 11 other categories
other than color of skin sexual
preference um 11 other categories and
how they can benefit the
city thank you I will
um thank you Mr
Somerville I will not entertain a vote
I'll start with the mayor sure so Human
Services advisory commission um Lee Co
sorry uh mayor actually this is uh for
human relations commission sir oh God I
was looking
ahead okay yes um Mr Jim Somerville
um Jenna Genie
McKenna Mr
Somerville uh Miss
McKenna James
Somerville James
Somerville Jannie
McKenna congratulations Mr Somerville
Jim thank
you go ready to go back we will now
return back to our previous programming
uh Bond oversight
commission um we were speaking with
April Holland um we're bringing her back
in and she's got only 45 seconds left to
I'm just
kidding um April um if you can hear us
please um please begin your two
minutes okay I I can hear you can can
you hear me yeah but every time you say
that then it it falls off right
immediately after so let's our fingers
are
crossed I'll make it quick then so I
have an extensive amount of
experience um working in working as a um
corporate trust officer specifically for
municipal bonds so volunteering and
serving on this committee is a of great
interest to me I um in addition to my um
experience with municipal bonds I have
over 30 years of experience in the
financial service field that includes
Investment Management retirement
planning wealth management for ultra
high net worth portfolios trusted State
settlement and pension
operations I'm skilled in corporate
budget planning project management that
includes software enhancements for large
Financial
institutions I feel confident that I can
provide solutions to any bond related
challenges that the city of Scottdale
could
encounter and I work exceptionally well
on team projects in closing I'd like to
thank you for considering me for this
opportunity to serve my
community thank you very much Miss
Holland I will ask my colleagues or
invite to ask questions I see none and
so we will entertain a vote for this
commission I will start with council
member
Whitehead April
Holland April Holland Miss Holland April
Holland April Holland April Holland
April Holland congratulations Miss
Holland um I'm glad we got the
connection re uh reestablished uh I got
a better connection and uh thank you for
applying to
serve thank
you moving on now to the mayor's
favorite commission perhaps
okay Human Services advisory commission
Human Services advisory commission
provides advisory recommendations to
staff and City Council on Human Services
priorities and programs and funding
allocations for scottd cares Community
Development block grants home Human
Services emergency and general funds
there are three vacancies we have five
nominees nominees are Mr Lee kulie Mr
Ralph De Costa Nunes who will be
participating electronically Pamela
Hollows Jeff Jameson who who whose term
expired and is eligible for
reappointment and Mr Neil Sherer uh the
same who who's in the same situation his
term expired he's eligible for
reappointment Mr Lee kolie please I
invite you to come up and you have two
minutes you can please begin thank you
um my name is Lee kou I live at 10142
East fla Drive I've been a resident for
18 years uh Mr Mayor Mr vice mayor
distinguished members of council I came
here 18 years ago to start the nonprofit
phase of my career uh first at makea
wish America then Valley youth theater
and then Arizona Realtor Association and
Scottdale real tourist Association
they're both 501 C6 nonprofit so I still
met my criteria uh since I've been at
the Scottsdale real tourist Association
for the past almost six years we've done
a lot of collaboration with the city um
as uh staff Lea on for the housing
opportunities committee we've been
involved with a I think we've had three
different uh fair housing symposiums
we've hosted three of the housing
partner programs with the city's Housing
and Community Assistance uh Department
to try to get more Realtors involved as
a matter of fact they had a great uh
landlord connection meeting just last
week there were 15 uh landlords that
attended and I think five were new so
hopefully that will continue to escalate
as we get toward the sa fmr a small area
fair market rate is going to come out
here in the next few months you'll hear
that and I think you'll be impressed um
also working with the uh Human Services
uh strategic planning committee uh kir
and her team will have some reports on
that in first quarter of next year um
what else can to say oh well we've had a
couple of events some of you have been
at matter of fact last year we had one
uh path to housing event on U um cross
modular housing this year it in May it
was one on uh affordable rather uh uh
adus and missing middle housing which
sort of set the stage before we got to
HB 2720 and 21 going into law so
hopefully it was a bit of a help um my
goal is to help educate uh and
participate I think one of the biggest
challenges we have as the uh as our
constituents here grow grow older is
Senior Services we've got a lot of
opportunities to expand that and I look
forward to helping with your vote thank
you any questions for Mr
 thank you Mr I was
actually able to attend the middle
housing Symposium inviting uh Ral deosta
Nunes who is participating
electronically hopefully we get a sturdy
connection with Mr deosta
nunz yes thank you for being here please
begin you have two minutes
yes I'm Ralph dust nunz I'm at
127228 place in Scottdale I've had a
home here for 20 years and I've been
living here permanently for the last
I've spent the last 45 years of my
career in public service I have great
interest in that area I've run New York
City agencies dealing with human
services throughout the five burus I've
also run nonprofits throughout the city
of New York dealing with the same thing
Human Services and I've been on a number
of foundation boards and commissions
dealing with these issues in addition
I've been a professor of public policy
at Columbia University's Graduate School
of International public affairs and I've
written a number of books and numerous
articles on Human Services Social
Service issues what I find most
interesting and most important for this
commission and what interest me is the
phenomenal growth of Scottdale from all
the period that I've been here and since
I've been living here permanently and
with that growth what I see for this
commission is an enormous set of new
demands coming across the table
eventually if not already the
infrastructure will probably be
challenged it has to be quality
provision of services and new needs
that's my interest slides my interest in
this board is simply based on my
dedication to public service and I think
I bring some experience that might be
useful and uh that's
it any questions for Mr deosta
Nunes seeing none thank you for your
time in presenting to usk inviting
Pamela how inviting Pamela OS please
correct my
pronunciation um if needed and when you
get to the podium you have two minutes
please begin good afternoon feel free to
adjust the microphone you can just I am
sure I had to point that out hi good
afternoon um mayor Ortega and vice mayor
um Graham and city council women and men
I'm happy to be here today little
nervous but other than that I've lived
in I now call this my new state Arizona
I've lived in Scottsdale Arizona now for
37 years and I'm just going to tell you
candidly I love Scottdale and I'm
grateful to be here we have so many
social programs that we provide one of
the area oh and I live at 7002 I just
moved um East Hubble Street and I am a
graduate proudly of Scottsville
Community College you may have read
about me it's never too late and now I'm
over at ASU driving Mr Kroger crazy so
um I I the word mitzvot is comes to mind
when you want me to tell you all the
different things I've volunteered for
and done because a MZ vote is a deed for
the doing of the deed not the
recognition so I feel uncomfortable
telling you all the things that I've
done and I say this humbly I've been a
volunteer and a teacher at Botanical
Garden dosed at the fenus arc Museum I
brought the first International Nanny
Association conference here to Arizona
in
1995 I've written two bills to be passed
for the regulation of private and Home
Care I.E nannies and um was on the board
I volunteered always at the schools as
in teaching art masterpiece to for third
through seventh graders I know all the
social workers here because that's what
I'm getting my degree in and they're
waiting for me and so I love to help
people and I believe that our well I
can't speak for all of the the city
council but I leave I believe part of
our concerns are for the homeless at
least it is for me and I know about the
program you had I can't remember the
name of it but it was wonderful where
you were able to take the homeless
people and put them in to 10 different
rooms at a hotel or a motel but it isn't
a blight on Scottsdale to have homeless
people it's a blight on the people of
Scottsdale if we don't help each other
because that's all we're put here for is
to help each other so thank you for
listening to me and I'll see you again
thank you thank you Miss hallow any
questions for Miss hallow seeing none
I'll move on to Mr Jeff
Jameson Mr Jeff Jameson is term expired
and he is eligible for
reappointment thank you Mr Jameson when
you get to the podium you may begin you
have two
minutes uh yes good evening mayor Orga
and council members uh my name is Thomas
Jefferson Jameson I third but you can
call me Jeff um I'm an 18-year resident
of Scottsdale and I live at 906 3 East
Aster Drive since moving here I've been
impressed with Scottsdale's uh with
Scottdale because of the many services
the city provides particularly for those
in need uh because of this I've
continuously been involved with
maintaining our quality of life through
my many professional and volunteer
activities I believe I'm very well
qualified to continue my service on the
Human Services advisory commission for a
number of reasons first I've contributed
well to the commission uh and uh have
attended many events and constantly
champing the work that our human
services department does uh I also
served on the human relations commission
for six years three of those years I was
a chairman and I belong to Scottsdale
blue zones an organization I believe
that works in the best interest of all
of our residents to live long live long
and healthy lives um I'm a leader at my
church's Outreach uh efforts where we
provide Aid to the hungry the homeless
uh Indigent um Native American neighbors
and many more
um and lastly most of my professional
career has been spent in the nonprofit
executive arena in agencing agencies
serving homeless hungry troubled youth
Elders differently abled and other
marginalized communities I've been asked
to speak about the top issues facing our
commission this evening it's hard to
rank the issues that we have in the city
but toward that I'll mention two first
is
funding um the amount of money available
to provide direct city services and to
fund our nonprofit Partners is below the
demand for assistance I ask Council to
take a very make a very strong case to
taxpayers that more is needed and then
the other one is homelessness uh the
current housing crisis for unhoused
Neighbors is not getting any better I
believe the city must take make this a
priority and create a more attainable
housing for working workingclass people
with uh and by working with developers
uh neighborhood neighborhoods to build
more sustainable housing stock thank you
for the opportunity to serve the cities
these past three years I hope to
continue my service to the Human
Services advisory commission thank you
thank you Mr Jameson the third any
questions seeing none appreciate your
presentation inviting uh Neil Sher to
the
podium two minutes to
present please begin
hello your honor and members of the
council I'm Neil Shear I have uh proudly
called Scottsdale home for uh 44 years I
currently live at 14131 North 90th 90th
Place my professional life has been
dedicated to Public Service I received
my masters in public administration from
the Kennedy School of government at
Harvard University and I have served 42
years in in various Community management
positions including 32 years with the
city of Scottsdale in some very
adventurous jobs I served as executive
assistant to May herb drinkwater I was
assistant to the city manager for
intergovernmental relations I was the
Human Services director I was the human
resources general manager and I was
assistant city manager as human services
director in the mid
1990s we had community and Council
support to build and open the vi Linda
Senior Center the pyute neighborhood
center and created the Scotsdale cares
donation program and I'm also pleased to
let you know that the commission is
working with staff to bring back a
recommendation later this fiscal year to
increase the marketing and donations for
Scottdale cares as chair of the Human
Services Commission and Scottdale
housing uh Advisory board for the last
two years I've encouraged open and
constructive dialogue and I'm really
pleased that our recommendations have
been well received by the city council
as to the top issue facing the
commission we all know that these issues
are
interrelated uh whether you have
Financial hardships you have food and
housing insecurities social isolation
loneliness Transportation gaps health
issues so we don't have sufficient fund
in wish we did to address all these
issues so the most important issue that
we face is how best to leverage limited
resources and Partnerships to address
priority needs in a cohesive and
comprehensive way I'm proud of the work
that we've done on the Human Services
Commission and housing agency governing
board uh during my term and I'd like to
continue working on these important
issues thank you thank you Mr Sher any
questions from the council
seeing none we thank you we thank the
applicants for presenting and I
will invite raml to entertain votes for
the Human Services advisory commission
starting with council member I think I'm
I met Durham council member Durham yes
um Jeff Jameson Neil sheerer and uh Mr
dasta
Nunes I will vote for Mr dasta Nunes
Miss Hollows and Mr Jameson
Lee Jeff Jameson Neil
sheer Lee Jeff Jameson Neil shear
and I would encourage the other
candidates to apply again you are all
wonderful candidates that would benefit
the city thank
you Pamela Hollows Jeff Jamon Neil
Shear Lee coie Jeff Jameson Neil Sher
Lee culie Jeff Jameson and Neil Sher and
I concur with councilwoman um Janik well
I thank my colleagues for voting and we
have appointed Mr Mr Jameson Mr
 has been appointed and Mr Jameson
and Mr Shear have been reappointed we
thank everybody for their applications
and for
presenting judicial appointments
Advisory Board
Jud judicial appoint judicial
appointments Advisory Board makes
advisory recommendations to city council
regarding the appointment and
reappointment of full-time City Judges
with special qualifications the seven
member jab will consist of two active
judges one representative from both the
State Bar and Scottdale bar associations
and three citizens appointed by city
council who are not judges in any
official capacity nor retired judges nor
members of the State
Bar there are two citizen representative
vacancies in one godale bar
representative vacancy we'll begin this
afternoon's appointment to the jab with
the citizen representative
appointments for the two citizen
representative vacancies there are three
nominees Oria Oria Flores has withdrawn
her application and the remaining
nominees are Carol Anne petran who I
will invite to speak
first Norman
SPAC and
whites and corn I see Caroline petran
approaching the podium and you are
invited to begin you have two minutes
and please begin when you're ready good
afternoon um Mr Mayor Mr uh vice mayor
and members of the council um thank you
for the opportunity to appear before you
um my name is Carol petran I live at
100053 East Relic Rock Road in
Scottsdale I have been a part-time
resident of Scotsdale for over 20 years
and a full-time resident um for the last
11 or 12 years so why my interest in
this on this particular board um number
one during my entire legal career I have
always found time and thought it was
extremely important to serve on
nonprofit boards and give back I've been
involved in bringing clean water to
South Africa working with young lawyers
who have spent their time representing
the needy on health issues housing
issues and emergency issues like and
Katrina and um I also have been involved
in the National Foundation of Lupus
Foundation that has provided National
help in terms of education and services
for those with uh lupus
challenges I have been a lawyer for over
40 years I like to say 50 but it sounds
too old for me but I say slightly over
40 I started off as a state and fidal
prosecutor was a trial lawyer for many
many years and then uh was a corporate
counsel I'm interested in serving on
this Commission because through my
career I've had many opportunities to
appear before many courts across the
country on several levels and I have
come to recognize the importance of
Competency the importance of fairness
the importance of judicial temperament
and the importance of uh importance of
performance so I commit to you that if I
were to be selected as a Committee
Member I would look and evaluating and
recommending judges who have those
particular uh qualifications the
citizens of um Scottdale are entitled
and expect good quality legal service
and I believe I could add value to to
that particular board in delivering
those Services thank you thank you Miss
peton and I will invite colleagues for
to pose any questions seeing none I will
invite Norman to the
podium to share your thoughts with us
for two
minutes and uh you may begin when you're
ready
sir right first and foremost thanks for
having me here really appreciate it um
my name is Dr Norman spak um I there
34288 North 86 Place in Scott Hill
Arizona I've been here since 2001 when I
retired from the CATE of Michigan in the
state of Michigan I was a chief officer
in the stay for 14 years after that I
was a court administrator for the last
seven and I retired from there prior to
just after my retirement from City of
Michigan I taught at ASU just after my
retirement I taught as a bar honors uh
professor at theu taught law criminology
and my major is criminology and I'm a
social criminal psychologist that's my
actual degree in uh I've enjoyed working
with judges over the years I used to
evaluate criminals as the chief officer
used to advise judges every day I be the
court every day uh as the administrator
I oversaw one of the largest districts
in the state of Michigan and uh really
enjoyed that I was able to interact with
an excuse me a number of Judges at
various levels I did some writing for
the Michigan Supreme Court with the
chief judge Manuel I was a uh
contributing editor and writer uh I've
been on past uh past boards in the state
of Michigan St Joseph's hospitals in in
monus Michigan I was also on Advisory
board for the self reest International
Guard base uh and now I do charity work
my my wife is here with me she runs a
number of Charities I assist her with
and God's been good to me and I want to
give back again I thank you for having
me here thank you Mr SPAC apologies for
the name of its pronunciation I'll
invite my colleagues to pose any
questions seeing none I will thank you
again for your presentation I will
invite the final remaining applicant for
this portion of the board miss Helen
Whit and corn
thank you Helen you'll have two minutes
and please feel free to begin when
you're ready hi I'm Helen whiton corn
Helen thank you that's all right I live
at 7739 East Bisby Road in McCormick
Ranch I moved to Scottdale from Boston
Massachusetts in April 2020 I love
living in Scottdale and want to give
back to the community the judicial
appointments Advisory Board is of
interest to me I believe the most
important issue facing the board is the
selection of judicial IAL candidates
that are fair open-minded representative
of our city and able to make judgments
in the best interests of Scottsdale not
influenced by outside interests I also
believe our Judicial System should be
well-run and efficient I do not have a
formal legal education professionally I
worked in purchasing for a Fortune 500
company and with a corporate attorney
negotiated corporate wide contracts for
many goods and services I ask for your
support for my nomin ation to this board
thanks thank you m Whit and corn I'll
ask my colleagues if they want to pose
any questions seeing none I'll invite Mr
Cordova
to take the tally and I think we begin
this time with
myself and if you're ready I will tender
votes for Miss petran and Mr SPAC and
we'll move on to council member kabudi
carollyn Petron Helen weisen
corn carollyn petrin Helen weisen
corn Kieran petran Norman
spicc kiern um carolanne Petron and um
Helen carolanne Petron and hel Helen
whiton
cor carolan petran and Mr SPAC
well thank you and congratulations to
Caroline petran and Miss Whit and corn
and I think these are both two new
appointees so no
reappointments uh thank you again for
everyone for applying and
congratulations and as a reminder this
is for the citizen representative
vacancies of which there are two for the
judicial appointments Advisory Board and
we will move on to the uh Scottdale bar
rep portion of the same board this
member is a representative of the
Scottdale bar this Association the city
council appoints them based on names
submitted to the council by the
president of the Scottdale Bar
Association the section should go
quickly because we have one nominee and
one opening and the nominee Mr John
Gilbert who's not here has completed his
first term and eligible for re
reappointment and you need us to vote
right that's correct so I'll start with
council member robbert caputi John
Gilbert John Gilbert John Gilbert John
Gilbert John Gilbert John Gilbert John
Gilbert thank you and congratulations Mr
Gilbert on your reappointment moving to
tourism development commission one
opening one industry rep opening with
two with two nominees tourism
development commission advises the city
council on matters concerning the
expenditure of revenues from the
transaction privilege tax on transient L
lodgings uh colloquially known as bed
tax designated for tourism Development
Special qualifications are required for
the position tourism development
commission shall consist of a
representative of the tourism industry
in
Scottsdale including a member of four
Scott including a minimum of four scota
Hotel years one member of the Scottdale
convention and visitors bureau or
experien Scottdale and a balance from
elements of the tourism industry there
is one Scott sale industry
representative position vacancy and two
nominees Joanne Hilt has withdrawn her
application from consideration today's
nominees are Mr Chris Montgomery
and Mr Daren nwin Mr Chris Montgomery is
appointment is expired he is eligible
for reappointment he's unable to join us
this afternoon he is interested in
serving another term on the commission
and I will invite Daran win who oh will
be participating
electronically uh so Daren if you can
hear me and you are ready to go you can
begin your um you can begin you have two
minutes and you can begin when you're
ready hello Mr Mayor city council my
name is Daren W I live at
24344 North 75th way I've been a
resident of scotsville for over 20
years currently I work in the edtech
industry where I develop Innovative
educational solutions that Empower
students and Educators Beyond My Career
I'm a professional chess player and have
been deeply involved in the Scholastic
chess Community for many
years over the past several years I have
successfully organized two annual
Scholastic chess tournaments in
Scottdale each of these events attract
over 200 participants and generated over
over $155,000 in Revenue these events
have not only boosted the local economy
but also aligned with Scottsdale's
tourism strategy to increase yearr round
events that drive cultural and
educational
tourism as a chess professional I have
developed strong Connections in many
different Scholastic communities around
the United States this enables me to
promote Scottsdale as a destination for
yearr round festivals camps and educ
ational events which can attract
visitors Nationwide and support the
local
economy the most significant issue
facing the scotsville tourism board is
the lack of young people entering the
tourism industry my approach to
addressing this would be to create
initiatives that make tourism jobs more
accessible and appealing to college
students well very good thank you Mr NN
and I'll ask my I'll I'll ask my
colleagues if they want to pose any
questions and thank you for joining us
and presenting
today I will call uh thank you Ramo
Cordova will uh entertain the vote I
think we're starting with council member
Janik on on this particular one thank
you Darien
W Chris
Montgomery Darian gwy Chris mcgomery
Mr mcgomery Mr mcgomery
Chris
Montgomery congratulations uh Mr
Montgomery has been reappointed want to
thank all of the
applicants and congratulations I think
we are on our last and final commission
appointment for the day I might get us
through this in just under an hour we'll
see Transportation Commission
Transportation commissions always last
Transportation Commission advises the
city council on matters relating to the
safe and efficient movement of vehicles
Transit pedestrian and bicycles this
commission provides a public forum to
hear citizen complaints and requests
regarding Transportation matters there
are two vacancies and two nominees
Darren wolf withdrew his application
from consideration and the nominees are
as follows Kyle Davis and Carrie will
coxon M Mr will coxon's term expired in
September and is eligible for
Reemployment do we have Kyle Davis here
welcome please approach approach the
podium and um when you're ready to begin
you have two
minutes all right uh thank you vice
mayor Graham uh mayor otan and City
Council Members my name is Kyle Davis I
live at 8607 East Via Serena which is in
the McCormack Ranch area I've been a
Scottville resident now for 14 years uh
five of which were in the southern part
of the city and then the remainder which
uh in the central part where I am now um
for the past six years years I've had
the pleasure of serving at your behalf
on the pass and trail subcommittee to
the Transportation Commission um I've
really ented my time on that
subcommittee and during my tenure I was
very happy to see us awarded uh gold
status by the league of American
bicyclists twice um as well as the
execution of a variety of projects that
have helped improve our overall active
Transportation infrastructure uh most
recently I'm really excited to see the
progress we've made on the underpass at
chapparel on the east side of Indian
benash I'll be terming out in November
and very interested in contining my
service for the betterment of the
city travel by car is the number one way
that the majority of our citizens use
our transportation Network and I would
like to support the evolution uh and
improvements of our streets uh in
addition to having oversight of Transit
as well as continued support of paths
and trails my experienced survey on the
subcommittee has put me in a position to
immediately contribute as a member of
the Transportation Commission I have
experiened in helping to draft the bike
way and trails element of the
transportation action plan um and I'm up
to date on the major decisions facing
the current
commission professionally I have a
Bachelor of Science and mechanical
engineering and currently work in the
Aerospace industry I think that
engineering background really helps me
kind of understand the the why that goes
behind some of the decisions that are
made in
transportation um well I think there are
a variety of issues that are faced in
the commission um a few of which could
probably considered the top I think that
cost and right of way constraints um
that we see for infrastructure projects
in the Southern and Central parts of the
city um are AIT large con concern we
have certain roads such as Shay or
Indian Bend um sorry U Indian School
which consistently um rank as some of
our most congested streets um but there
are cost and RightWay limitations to
widen them so I'm very interested to
know what kind of short-term and
long-term plans we could have that could
uh help improve those issues while
minimizing cost and impact the community
thank you thank you Mr Davis any
questions for Mr Davis and my colleagues
seeing none thank you I will invite
Carrie wil coxon
to the podium um again Mr will coxon's
term expired in September and he's
eligible for
reappointment thank you for your service
and uh you have two minutes when you're
ready please begin thank you Mr vice
mayor thank you Mr Mayor and uh members
of the council I'm Carrie wilcoxon I at
I live at 6034 East Edgemont Avenue just
south of Thomas uh in Oldtown or
Southern
Scottdale um I am a uh 28- year resident
of Scottdale I'm also an employee of
ADOT and formerly the City of Phoenix my
current role at ADOT is I serve as the
state traffic engineer uh helping design
the roadways freeways and
um Trails uh within the state RightWay
prior to my current role I was the state
Traffic Safety engineer where I made
sure that while
we designed those roads they remain safe
for everybody using them when I worked
for the City of Phoenix I was a city
traffic safety engineer and uh spent a
lot of time uh doing a lot of the same
issues I've been on the commission for
three years now and I've really enjoyed
my time uh maybe not for the reasons
that most people think um I am a traffic
geek and I uh am proud of that but I
know that traffic is not does not exist
in a vac vacuum everyone who has a
driver's license believe they can do my
job at the state better than I can and I
uh some days I I don't uh I don't doubt
that but I do know that it's important
to recognize that no matter how
technical traffic is or can be uh
there's also a human side of it traffic
needs to be both efficient and safe but
it needs to meet the needs of the people
who are living in the city and my role
on the commission is to make sure that
my technical expertise my experience
living in the city um can be brought to
bear uh to help navigate the city
through there the most important aspect
or the most top aspect of the uh facing
the commission is how to manage growth
within the city and make sure that as we
grow um we recognize we're not a
homogeneous City and there are going to
be different solutions for different
parts of the City and for different Road
users I thank you for your consideration
and I'd be happy to answer any questions
thank you Mr W coxen Mr Mayor Mr the
mayor has a question for you thank you
um thank you um for presenting I went to
the one of the meetings where um ADOT
presented and uh they came forward with
their engineering team and uh outlined
where all of the offramp slivers of land
and how those improvements would uh
affect marching forward with what we see
today the construction uh of the state
101 and that influence um you were
listening to that and obviously the
state kind of reported to us they made
the Acquisitions and did you ever get
any blowback from citizens about whether
or not this Transportation Commission
had done a good job on the state's
decision in their in their domain
uh mayor I have not received any
blowback one way or the other U positive
or negative uh but I do remember that uh
that presentation and I think it's an
important project uh but again I want to
make sure that when it goes through uh
the best knowledge that ADOT has
accumulated over the many years of
building freeways uh is brought to bear
on our
interchanges sure and for instance the
Pima Road U offramp and how that
interfaced and the um uh Frank lloid wri
U exchange where it looks like they're
facing each other but then they they
turn uh turn u in opposite directions I
think again that's underway we'll see
some more results as they complete their
project thank you for your patience
you're welcome thank you any other
questions from the council members um
yeah I got to kick out of your comment
about everybody is an expert you know
it's like what I'm driving anybody who
drives faster than me is crazy anybody
that drives slower is an idiot
right I've been in a car with the same
comments um I will um now entertain
thank you Mr will coxon I will now
entertain a vote for the Transportation
Commission I think we're starting I
think we're at council member
Littlefield I don't think this is going
to be very difficult to I think you got
to pick two I got to pick two
correct Kyle Davis and Carrie will
coxon Kyle Davis carry Wilkinson Kyle
Davis and Carrie wil coxon Kyle Davis
and Carrie wil coxon Mr Davis and Mr
will coxon Kyle Davis Carrie will coxon
Kyle Davis Carrie Willl coxon well thank
you Mr Davis or congratulations Mr Davis
and M congratulations for your
reappointment Mr W coxen and uh we
always appreciate everyone for applying
and so that finishes this this segment
of it I've got to go now to the next
part of this agenda which is the
affirmation of Mayor Ortega's proposed
appointment to the public safety
personnel retirement system systems
boards there is one opening pursuant to
ARS 38847 the public safety personnel
retirement system boards police local
and fire local are responsible for
deciding all questions of Eligibility
and service credits and determines the
amount Manner and time and timing of
payment of any benefits under the public
safety personnel retirement system Mr
Ortega or mayor Ortega has submitted the
proposed appointment of Susan Galpin
Tyree to serve on the public safety uh
Personnel retirement boards for a
four-year term Miss Galpin Tyree has
been a resident of Scottdale for 16
years and holds a master's degree in
legal studies she's previously served on
the human relations commission and this
month completed a second term on the
judicial appointments Advisory Board the
mayor's appointment of Susan Galpin
Tyree requires city council affirmation
therefore I move to approve mayor
Ortega's appointment of Susan Galen
Tyree to the public safety personnel
retirement system system boards do I
have a second from one of my colleagues
second any further
discussion seeing no discussion Council
please record your
votes well I want to congratulate Miss
Galen Tyree for being appointed to the
public public safety personnel
Retirement Systems board and this will
conclude our appointment process for the
day I would like to thank all our
nominees for their interest in serving
on a board or commission we are
fortunate to continue to receive
qualified applicants for the positions
on our boards and commissions and that
is part of the script and we say that
every time but we truly have an
abundance of wealth talent and knowledge
in our community uh all the council
members agree on that and it is truly
remarkable how many applicants of such
high caliber uh that we get for these
unpaid volunteer boards and commissions
if you were not appointed today your
application will remain on file for
consideration at a future date if there
are additional vacancies City staff will
contact the individuals appointed this
evening and provide them with
information on next steps regarding
their appointment the city of scotsville
is very fortunate to have such dedicated
and talented individuals who are willing
and ready to serve the city and it's
been my honor to lead this portion of
the today's meeting and I humbly turn it
back back to the mayor thank you thank
you vice mayor and that concludes our
business to have a motion to adjourn our
special meeting so move thanks moved in
second please record your
vote Mr
Durham thank you we are adjourned and we
will begin our regular uh city council
meeting um I believe we can move right
into it are we okay thank you um at this
point I call the uh September 24th
20124 city council regular meeting to
order city clerk Ben Lane please conduct
the roll
call thank you mayor mayor David Ortega
pres vice mayor Barry Graham presid
council members Tammy caputi here Tom
Durham here Betty janick here Kathy
Littlefield here and Whitehead here city
manager Jim Thompson here City attorney
Sher Scott
here acting City aor LOF here and the
clerk is present thank you mayor
excellent uh we have Scottdale police
Sergeant Sean Ryan as well as detective
Dustin Patrick and firefighter Jake
Jones should anyone need assistance um
let's begin with the Pledge of
Allegiance I'll call on vice mayor
Graham thank you mayor be my
honor I pledge
allegiance of the United States
ofice well um at this time we draw
attention to the ongoing War in foreign
countries as they fight to protect their
democracy and freedom also uh we keep in
mind our own military service members
who are here and uh deployed so our
thoughts are and Reflections are with
them and their families so I ask that
you join uh together in a moment of
Silent reflection uh for these War torn
countries
than
thank
you I also want to draw our attention
that um this month is domestic violence
awareness month and uh it certainly is a
um social uh local and um uh very um
serious issue uh it affects the city in
so many ways we have made appointments
in Social services and um other areas
we're going to be discussing uh in our
agenda uh police and fire responses and
other things that are all intertwined
and certainly we want to be aware of
domestic violence and countermeasures as
we um move together as a beautiful city
uh tonight's meeting the council may
make a a a motion to recess into
executive session
to obtain legal advice on any applicable
item on the agenda if authorized by the
council the executive session would be
held immediately and would not be open
to the public um the public meeting
would then resume after an executive
session again if requested and voted on
by the council also per our Council
rules of procedure citizens attending
City Council meetings shall observe the
same rules Rules of Order and a quorum
app applicable to ourselves and City
staff it also makes our meeting run much
smoother Additionally the council
recently updated our rules uh which
would U be that we would uh avoid using
electronic uh we will not send any
electronic communications while
attending City Council meetings or
executive sessions only electronic
devices supplied by the City and you in
use for our Council agenda items U
business are allowed so we do store
those aside the next part of our agenda
calls for public comment public comment
per state law allows for Scottdale
citizens businesses or Property Owners
to comment on any non- agendized item
that would be within council's
jurisdiction um I am told that there is
no request for public comment therefore
I have opened public comment and I close
public comment next we have the
consideration of the minutes um and um I
request a motion to approve regular
meeting and work study session minutes
of August 21st
2024 do I have a motion so move second
we have a motion a second seeing no
discussion please record your vote
thank you we are
unanimous the next consent the next uh
item on our agenda relates to consent
agenda items consent agenda items have
all accompanying staff reports and they
have vetted and they're all available on
our website and the council will take
formal action on consent agenda items 1-
17 at this point I do call for public
comment if there's any uh requests to
speak they would have filed with our our
clerk uh seeing none for consent agenda
items 1 through 17 therefore I will
close public comment on the consent
agenda items uh next I would go for um
any uh questions from Council or I am
open to a motion to approve consent
agenda items um I move to approve
consent items number 1 through
17 second thank you we have a motion and
we have a second so uh seeing no further
discussion please record your
vote thank you we are
unanimous
70 next we will move on to item number
18 um it is um relating to Scottdale
Road the Joe Max Road Road and dixa uh
Drive project we have a construction bid
we have a grant acceptance and we have
some budget transfers to realize a
project that has been um in design for
some time we have our uh staff presenter
uh with the
Transportation uh Nathan do who is the
transportation planning manager so
please proceed thanks
thanks for your preparation thank you
good evening mayor Orga city council
tonight I'm going to present on the
construction bid and budget changes to
the current CIP project sg5 Scottdale
Road from Joe Max road to dixileta drive
staff is looking for approval on
resolution
13188 to execute the construction bid
award in the amount of $29.4 million to
Hunter Contracting Company to construct
the Scottsdale Road bu uh section uh the
acceptance of the Federal grant award in
the amount of 1.8 million from the
safety Highway the highway safety
Improvement program Grant funds for the
roundabout at Scottdale Road and
dynamite the acceptance of federal funds
in the amount of
29.3 million in surface Transportation
block grant program funds for the
corridor improvements itself and a
fiscal year 2425 budget appropriation
transfer of to 8.7 $8.9 million from
available appropriation in the adopted
2425 fiscal year Capital Improvement
plan for that project um to be funded by
the regional arterial life cycle program
then a fiscal year 2425 budget
appropriation transfer and cash transfer
of up to $4 million from the available
budget appropriation in the adopted
fiscal year 2425 CIP budget for the
project to be funded by the
transportation .1% local sales tax and
then additionally a 2526 budget
appropriation transfer up to 1.6 1.7
million from the available budget
appropriation in the adopted in the
future adopted uh fiscal year 2526 CIP
budget for the project to be funded by
the 0.1% sales tax
on the slide is a map showing the
project area it covers covers a two mile
stretch of the scotdale corridor between
Joe Max and Dix saletta including
intersections at mostly Dynamite
Pinnacle View and Pinnacle Vista Drive
um the project was approved in the CIP
for the fiscal year 2019 2020 and is a
regional project adopted by mag from the
regional transportation plan as part of
the arterial life cycle program in 2004
the project will convert Scottdale Road
from its current configuration as a
major collector to its ultimate
configuration as a minor arterial
complete Street this will improve safety
and efficiency along the corridor this
project will also convert the
intersection of Scotsdale Road and
dynamite Boulevard into a multi-lane
roundabout during the 5-year period
before the project was budgeted out the
intersection experienced one fatal and
seven Serious injury crashes associated
with that
intersection the roundabout was
determined back in 2017 2018 by our
traffic engineering staff to be the most
important configuration and an
operational improvements at this
intersection due to the roundabouts
ability to reduce those serious and uh
severe crashes related to
intersections as stated in the previous
slide during the construction Scottsdale
Road from Jox dieta is being
reconfigured to its ultimate
configuration as a minor arterial you
can see the on the graphics on the
screen the type of roadway changes that
will be incorporated into the the
roadway it'll include raised medians
along the middle a new sidewalk along
the western side a new shared use path
on the Eastern side new pavement along
the entire stretch new curbs and gutters
on either side that's all the surface
changes along with the surface changes
will be substantial improvements to
drainage along the corridor it'll
prevent the road from being washed out
during the monsoon so throughout the
entire cor corridor culverts will be
placed at all the low points to raise
the road up and uh and keep it from from
being impacted by those
monsoons there's also a left in left out
improvements made at the inter various
intersections along the corridor you can
see it on the graphic right here as I
showed the left in left
out
um to prevent angled and left turn
crashes which more often result in
injuries and vitalities compared to
other types of crashes last there is a
new right turn Bay at dixa drive going
northbound um to separate the right
turning traffic from the through traffic
and pro and improve efficiency on the
roadway as part of the item tonight
there is a need to move more budget
appropriation to accomplish the project
there is additional $14.5 million needed
for this project 8.9 million will come
from a federal contribution of the mag
alcp program 5.6 would need to come from
the Transportation 1% local sales tax
this tax was passed just recently and
was funded it is its funding is
exclusive to provide the local match for
alcp
projects 4 million will be allocated
from this fiscal year 1.6 will be
allocated the next fiscal year to
provide the full
5.6 the total of the project 31.1
million of the total project is
federally
funded the rest is from the 1% sales tax
the cost increases um vary from
different sources 1.7 for a relocation
of up U UPS utility lines as we were in
design pretty substantially sized
utility lines electrical lines were
found underneath they were in direct
conflict with the culverts uh APS has
prior rights in the area we went through
many months of negotiation with them
they originally estimated at 3.7 our CPM
staff got them down to just the key
areas instead of undergrounding it
further in the entire quarter just the
key areas where the culverts were got
them down to 1.7
million Additionally the construction
due to low bids as well as inflation on
construction materials is up to 8.2
million 2.7 for rway acquisition due to
the CT as well as
increased uh land values since
2019 uh we have $800,000 increase in
construction inspection services to
comply with the federal regulations of a
pro of a federal
project uh construction and
administration costs increased
666,000 due to the increase to the
construction costs all of those costs go
up to accommodate that so CPM
allocations uh construction
Administration as well as the salaries
to our CPM staff
and so going back to adopting this
resolution and I'll open up for any
questions you have for
me sure let me let me just lead off um
would you say that this project is
shovel
ready this project is at 100% design and
shovel ready yes sir great so you know
that means that we have the responsive
bidder we've already filtered through
several biders uh the design process has
of course been completed um and you know
you summarize several areas but uh
essentially um well excuse me are there
any uh okay so we also have an
opportunity for the public to speak and
I open public comment and I see there's
no request to speak therefore I will
close public comment uh but just
continuing with what uh relating to what
you've said so far uh basically you know
this project is a 2-mile
stretch and it uh resolves a lot a lot
of drainage uh problems right now the um
Scottdale Road has a lot of wrinkles in
it and that's little dips and Dipsy do
and um you know I'm told that sometimes
people catch air if they're speeding or
may not have you know be observing
what's going on um it's also good you
can see mirages sometimes easier if
there's you know a hot hot uh road but
um this seems to be you know I mean this
is a very
necessary um uh cost Improvement uh
medians do save lives and I I see where
we have some medians um on Scottdale
Road uh there are none really until we
putting some in um we see some really
good results on pimo just thinking
through processing what the completed
Road could look like uh I think we have
some uh attractive go the extra step to
make sure that U we get really good um
results on that so I'm I'm very much uh
in favor of uh supporting this and I'll
move on to councilwoman Janik and then
council member Durham thank you mayor um
first of all can you give me a rough
idea why we only got two bids on this
sorry I missed that why did we only get
to bids on this project um just rough
idea why you think that happened uh I
can't speak to why it is we put those
bids out we really want as many as
possible sure um I think our assumption
is the contract companies are not hungry
right now for projects they have enough
and they didn't get enticed by that
project we definitely want to put out
bids that will encourage the most number
of companies to bid towards us so okay
we keep evaluating to see how we can get
get as many as we can that'll lower the
price and that's what we really want
sure um have you have we worked with
Hunter Contracting before we have okay
and you've been happy with their work
they have completed the work
satisfactory and uh have they given us
massive price increases over the course
of construction or have they been pretty
good pretty accurate with their bids
they've been pretty good pretty accurate
with their bids we haven't had any
massive changes to what was originally
okay out um I thought when I read
through all this information that some
of these numbers were
generated um six months ago and what I
would like to know is when I look at
this list the cost increase breakdown
yeah when were these numbers generated I
believe you said that the land that
number was generated in 2019 is that
accurate the are you talking about the
original CIP budget I guess that's what
we're talking about yeah sorry yes the
original ones were were
um
so in some areas yes in some areas no
throughout the course of the CIP we've
had two increases to this project so I'd
have to go back and look at if that I
would imagine that the land right
Acquisitions is original to the 2019 um
CIP but through the course of the last
six CPS we have increased the project
twice okay all right um I have to tell
you when I look at the cost increase
breakdown which I think I got because we
received because I asked the question um
I really really have problems with some
of the cost increases um admin CPM
allocation greater than 100%
increase how do we justify that I am not
comfortable with that I want more
information on that and because of that
I think we need to reduce some of these
numbers that we are saying it's okay
because on uh the last two items the
transportation tax you say that um the
number is up to well what bothers me is
when you say a number allowed Finance is
up to everybody seems to manage to get
to that high number and that bothers me
that's not how I run my house this is
our tax dollars and I think that number
is way out of line and I want
justification on it and I would request
as part of this if we approve it that we
get regular updates on that number and
they be justified I'm very much not
comfortable with it um salaries was that
number from 2019 or from 6 months ago
and why wasn't an updated to six months
ago I understand land I get that but
salaries 28% higher yeah we gave raises
that was great 28% is a lot so I'm
having a lot of problems just justifying
all these numbers and um I can I don't
think I'm comfortable voting for this
until I see better acknowledgement of
where these numbers came from the other
problem I've having is it's not like we
haven't had problems in the past with
planning and I don't want any of those
to be repeated and I want everything to
be justified I want it to be neat and
tight going into something that shovel
ready and um again I'm having major
problems with this being justified now I
know there's another issue that's going
to come up and it's got to do with the
roundabout on Dynamite in Scottdale I
know there's quite a bit of opposition
from the people that live there they
think it's going to be a horrendous
traffic jam but what I want to say in
defense of what the city has done on
that item is that mortality rates are
lower with
roundabouts and I cannot argue with a
lower mortality rate so I think that is
really a good decision to do the
roundabout um I'm guessing it's more
expensive than standard lights um and
the reason that there's fewer moralities
it's because people have to go slower
and I think it's about time that the
city and all of our residents realizes
that we speed way too much so as a
result of that we have to adjust how we
proceed and that would be with the
roundabout so thank you I appreciate
your answers thank you
councilman Durham vice mayor Graham and
then councilwoman Whitehead um thank you
mayor um speaking of the roundabout I I
believe there was a four car accident
that was at uh scottd and dynamite
earlier today there was yesterday last
night yes last night okay and and what
can you tell us about that accident was
it we reached out to get the police
report we haven't gotten that yet so
we're investigating right now to see
what happened
there thank you thank
you okay vice mayor Graham councilwoman
white thank you mayor thank you Nathan
thank you this is um what's the current
classification for Scottdale Road at
this point because is this is this
moving it to a minor arterial or is it
is it already one it's currently
classified as a minor material here okay
so we're not changing classification
right we're not it's just trying to
configure to what it is currently
classified as can you pull up a map of
the
intersection you looking for the the
roundabout um if you have
it do you have
it I think it's should be
there I uh don't know where it went um
oh this
one you can do the Elmo
um does do these um do these scope
changes are we um let me back up real
quick when was this project first
budgeted 2019 2020 was a temporary
project in the CIP when did you know
that costs were going to increase so
much we've known twice through the CIP
process and then through the course of
the last year we started having
negotiations with APS as well as other
uh
engineering estimates to show that it
was going to get to about this price so
the last time we had a full evaluation
was about April of this year and we
missed the budget cycle so did you um
did you choose to tell the council and
ask for the budget change because of the
timing of when the awards were granted
I'm just how does the timing how do as
far as how do we how does it get decided
when we learn about this sorry Vice M gr
are you talking about the federal uh
Awards the Federal grant Awards or so
the project was 29.2 the beginning mhm
it's 43.7 million it's 50% increase yeah
I asked you when you knew the budget
would be sharply increasing and I'm
asking why are you asking us today as
opposed to years when you knew a year or
two ago um we asked for multiple
increases 29 Happ we got the 29 million
the fiscal year of 23 24 and through the
course of last year we have seen
continual Rises to the cost of this
project so 29.2 is that is that a
revised budget that was revised in 23 24
what's the original budget from 2019 I
have it
here the original budget was 13.9
Million doing some math hold on please
25%
increase it just keeps going
up it just keeps going
up land 5,000% increase show us on a map
why is the land cost 5,000%
more the
land was budgeted to stay as much in the
RightWay as possible as we put CS in but
like point on the map Nathan like Nate
like what why it was 50,000 now it's
5,000% higher like what what increased
about the land I don't have the rideway
acquisition map with me but it was land
values as well as drainage so when it
was first budgeted the goal was to keep
within the ride of way as we looked to
elevate the road we had to have the Cs
bounce out and it increased the not just
the land we were increased the amount of
land we were requiring when we first
estim it so so this budget increase
right here which isn't even the first
increase you're taking 5.6 million
dollar more from the 0.1% transportation
of sales tax what do we give up like
what projects are we delaying or never
going to
get um we're not this this
Transportation the 1% is exclusively for
alcp projects so this was but there were
other alcp projects we have a full
budget we have exactly what we're going
to spend on that what are we giving up
what are we delaying we haven't delayed
any project yeah because of this so the
money was just sitting around unspent
just we we thought there might be
contingencies we have four projects in
the LCP left to do we're we're trying to
accomplish this project those those are
going to be
delayed how does this project can this
the whole western part of this is not
Scottdale but it's going to be totally
developed right the whole part of this
area is
Scottsdale both sides both sides are
Scottdale from but I mean I mean but I
mean like going Beyond I'm not talking
about just the road I'm saying Beyond to
the West no the west side is Phoenix is
City scotdale how far uh pretty far to
56 I
think yeah and is all going to be
developed it's already
developed okay oh I'm I'm I'm more south
though and does this budget increase
include are you adding medians that
weren't there before yes cuz the mayor
mentioned that medians save lives which
I agree with that statement
why did we not think about medians we
knew sa we knew medians save lives in
2019 why did we not think of it then we
did it was a part of the project in 2019
I just asked you does this budget
increase add medians it adds an increase
to the overall project the scope didn't
change from 2019 the the budget has been
changing does this project does this
does this project increase include
additional meetings that weren't there
before the budget increased no all the
all the meetings were there prior to
that so the just cost went up but we're
getting the same thing the cost went up
okay thank you
mayor okay councilwoman Whitehead and
then myself uh first of all Nathan thank
you for being on the podium uh you're
not pocketing any extra money so I know
this isn't you know your fault but it is
these are pretty extreme um cost
increases and um the two uh council
members did ask some of my questions but
I want to make sure um I get this
straight and I don't I saw Mr worth
around somewhere I don't know if he
wants to be next to a microphone and
jump in as
necessary
um so yeah so one of my big questions
was the land and if I understand you
correctly Nathan the scope in that case
the scope did change because of the
design so we have to purchase land that
was not in the original design is that
in am I understanding that
correctly uh yes I would say that
because we wanted to make every Crossing
uh a dry crossing the
CTS uh wind out we had more land
acquisition than is needed than was
originally thought to be needed and
excuse me I see um Dan worth is also
available did you want to add any
comments here uh yes uh mayor uh council
members councilman Whitehead um the
drainage
example when we scoped this project
originally we anticipated being able to
I think there's like at least four
places where water flows over the road
now we want it under the road um so we
we intended to put these drainage
Crossings in under the road culs um but
without getting into a lot of boring
engineering hydrology kind of stuff um
you've got to have the Culver at a
certain elevation in order to make it
work properly without creating excess
erosion and and all kinds of other
issues and as we get into design we find
out how long those covers got to be in
order to do that where they got to start
where they got to end and we had to
extend them out of the right of way we
had to uh to buy some private property
to do that okay so and I so I do want to
kind of emphasize that having been in
this world a little bit myself is that
when you make a project estimate and
then you get into the design the scope
because that just to answer councilwoman
janik's question the scope it's not that
the scope changed but the design tells
you you know that the map and the ground
may not dis May disagree and the ground
is right so um so actually it's not the
same thing that you're quoting in 2019
that we're getting today and that's for
I mean that's why there's that huge
increase in cost I just want to
understand that we still want to get
this done um the other
the aps I just I struggled with the aps
utility
um why that's our cost I was trying to
understand that they have prior rights
in that Corridor so that means if it if
there's a conflict between our design
and where they are it's on us to
relocate it to where it's at we have
similar negoti with SRP ands where we do
have prior rights and it's on their bill
to um
uh relocate whatever they have so it
really is when the conflict comes up at
a certain point people start looking
back at what the agreements were who was
there first and who has prior rights in
that area APS along the entire Northern
section has prior rights for us okay so
it's not a $1.7 million increase it's
just as you got into the design that
would be a scope change yes we saw those
wires and and we had to to lower them
okay so you can't necessarily anticipate
that when you're drawing up the plans
okay so so no way around that can't get
APS we were going to get charged for
that one way or another if we have APS
paid for it we'd still get that bill one
way or another but okay um the um there
was another
one the
um well I think salaries just keep going
up see if there's another
question
um on the and I also because Mr Graham
brought up this the issue of Are We
bumping any other projects and you said
you don't see I mean we're not going to
change any of the project Mr worth you
want to say anything about that uh mayor
councilman women whitee uh the
additional funding uh from mag uh they
agreed to provide that funding without
taking it away from any other projects
which is great we get additional money
without uh uh having to sacrifice
anywhere else the uh additional City
money comes from the 0.1% sales tax
which is specifically approved by voters
to provide the local match uh for for
these alcp projects uh and we have it
within the uh uh the balance of that
fund to be able to to provide the
additional $5 million in change for this
and it's my understanding that if we
don't use these mag dollars another city
will that is likely why we're able to
get this money without having to take it
away from another project because other
cities are struggling to be able to uh
to get all of their projects done and I
just want to add that these dollars are
our dollars that we hadn't had the
matching funds to get back into our city
until the 2017 tax was passed so um yeah
so I definitely and I think that's an
important Point as well is that
um two points I want to make that when
you sketch something like when you
sketch your new kitchen on a napkin and
you're real excited and you're drinking
wine that design and that estimated cost
in the reality usually don't quite match
this is a big and complicated project
and especially whenever we involve
drainage um and start involving you know
we H we have to have drainage that
actually works so you know and in this
case our tax dollars through the federal
government our tax dollars through this
Regional tax are coming back to make
this happen so I do support it and I
appreciate just better understanding how
we got from the estimate the kind of
design to our today's costs thank you
okay councilwoman caputi then myself and
councilman Durham oh just a couple of
comments um first of all I'm super
excited about this project um we hear a
lot about complaints about our roadways
here we are doing amazing things with
our roadways we're adding to our
roadways we have a transportation action
plan it's actually called an
Transportation action plan because it
moves and changes and uh flexes and
adjusts as real life changes and so um
this is a perfect example um I think
that the goal of our transportation
action plan is always efficiency and
safety and that's what we're doing here
we are constructing a four-lane arterial
complete Street raised landscape medians
and general traffic improvements to
increase capacity and safety along the
Carter and at 10 intersections as my
colleagues have said this is a really
big project um and there's a lot of
dollars here we've mentioned this so
many times from the dis 2019 was a
completely different world I work in
construction and I councilman Graham is
amazed that costs have gone up that much
I'm here to tell you that they have gone
up that much that is our world
everything has gone up and still going
up in fact fact I'm hearing in the
industry right now that concrete and
steel are back up to massive increases
and it's my guess that uh costs are not
going down anytime soon you couldn't
even get more than two general
contractors to bid on this project
because people are scared to do projects
this size right now the costs are
continually increasing it's very hard to
find labor and again we found a good Pro
a good company that was willing to do
this I can't emphasize enough this
safety aspect of this full disclosure I
live at Scottdale and Joe
Max um and this road is one that floods
continually so having the the water go
underneath the road instead of
continually you know interfering with
our traffic is a fantastic thing that um
I'm very excited about so again a rotary
to increase safety we're building
capacity adding to our roadways bulking
up our roads this is what people want to
see continually increasing our Network
improving our efficiency increasing our
safety um I I'm hugely in support and
again we are putting in
30% of our dollars and getting back SE a
70 match which is how this program was
designed I can't think of a better
return on investment um myself I
certainly would love to have an
investment like that personally so again
I'm in support um and and let's keep
moving forward
okay well at at this point I'll I will
start out um um with uh making a motion
to adopt resolution number
13188 with the uh seven uh points I I
will and if I can get a second that will
uh continue okay so tonight um I'm not
here to do forensic on or forensics on
what 19 2019 was like or I'm not here to
um point fingers about whether or not
there was a pandemic and whether or not
there's a supply chain uh chain problem
uh we have a shovel ready uh project
what that means is that to get to this
point to actually have a contract in our
hand it has been
reviewed um with with not just staff but
um competitive bidding we are bidding
against other cities trying to build
four miles of highway or four miles as
you know ad dos uh taken a lot of the
subcontractor work off the uh off the
shelf because um off the market because
they have such tremendous projects going
they're also taking big loads of asphalt
and so forth so this project has uh been
vetted by the transportation department
it's gone through our commissions and
it's uh we are at a point uh where again
if if we try to say how badly
underestimated it was or which counil
was in charge at that time or how this
you know got to be so out outlandish
it's it's not uh the position that I
want to look backward I want to look
forward because as I said there was
another perhaps fatality a serious five
car accident and you know the whole
purpose of our transportation system is
to have safety uh at one point uh this
was a paper project totally paper
project and I'm told that it started at
$13
million and um right now just the
subsidy coming from the feds is 20
million right okay so perhaps at that
time they thought they'd get five I
don't know but however it evolved the
numbers have all been um really vetted
and tested uh the if uh the other uh
fact is that we have um a lot of
drainage problems along Scottdale uh
there are parts of Scottdale road that
are totally uh well this is an area
where we have Scottdale the city of
Scottdale on both sides of the road
if you go south of here it's just City
of Phoenix and they they they they're
just bare land on that side so we have
an obligation for the east side and the
West Side uh to resolve the drainage
problems basically within the city of
Scottdale um as uh speaking as an
architect you know as you conceptualize
something and then later you start to
see that uh every Crossing with APS
undergrounding electrical um every
future uh consideration where they may
want to upgrade and carry something
forward uh is is um considered because
we want to dig at once we don't want to
say oh and there's something else that's
going to be coming along the line this
project will reduce maintenance because
of the Overflow we get with the heavy
rains four or five times four five areas
and people will call us and say why is
the gravel hitting my windshield right
after this and you know certain debris
is coming across the road so this is in
our domain and it is Market driven uh we
are a we're looking at an actual shovel
ready basically contracts ready to sign
and move forward uh not um uh and by the
way all contracts usually say this bid
is good for 60 days so if we want to
look at one particular part of of of any
of these Lin items uh there's usually
about 27 Sub sub areas or divisions then
we're we're going to be you know here
very late and it it it is going to be um
a very tedious process so we rely on our
team and uh in this case the design team
uh has made all these considerations the
RightWay can get crazy I I'm agreeing
with vice mayor you know but it's uh
it's uh also a question of you know
people um with private property rights
maybe uh pushing and tugging and pulling
um uh to get the maximum um uh right
away possible we can't start a project
unless we have the right away to build
it um so for those reasons I am
um the the the bottom line is our money
is worth less okay it's called in
that fed will tell you uh and they uh
federal government put 4.2 trillion
dollar just to get us through the
pandemic that caused an erosion of our
dollar value that has never been seen
before in this country um with that I
see council member Durham wants to speak
I maybe was long-winded but I do support
uh the safety element uh reduceed M
maintenance I have no problem with the
roundabout uh we have a roundabout on
each side of Costco it doesn't stop
anyone from getting to Costco it uh it's
uh certainly going to U be U one way to
uh prevent people from racing to a green
light when they're a quarter mile away
so uh I'm agreeing that we can save
lives and move this project forward
council member Durham Council uh uh
woman shanik and then vice mayor Graham
go ahead thank you mayor just a quick
word on the
drainage um like council member caputi I
live in this part of town and there were
periods after rains when uh Pima was not
drivable uh it you know large pools of
water uh the gravel crossing the road is
the mayor uh the mayor recollects uh but
it was it was very hard to Traverse Pima
and the work that was done on Puma has
solved that problem and I understand why
it's so expensive to buy the additional
land that's necessary for those culverts
uh there's been a huge expense of land
on Puma that was um necessary for those
drainage issues in Culvert so uh that
that piece is perfectly explainable to
me and what will was a huge Improvement
on Pima and I'm sure it'll be a huge
Improvement on Scott stale
too thank you uh councilman Janik vice
mayor Graham thank you mayor um I do
have a question on the original CIP
budget numbers is that a mixture of 2019
and
2024 have you been consistent in those
reports or did you take some from 24
April and some from 2019
mayor uh councilman Janik those uh
original numbers are not actually
original numbers those are the numbers
that exist today um is approved in the
um um 2425 CIP okay so that's kind of
mislabeled Yes sounds like it okay it is
yes okay no offense I don't like that
okay as a scientist we don't do that
okay um I would like to make a counter
motion and my counter motion would be to
adopt resolution number
13188 with the provision that we get
quarterly updates on the cash
flow okay now I'm just going to consider
that as an amendment okay it's not a
counter motion it's accepting the
resolution but requesting formally uh
for us to get uh reports and uh is that
clear to the uh to the engineering crew
as far as what that means mayor
absolutely thank you and I'll second
that so we have uh an amendment to our
main motion we have a second uh and at
this point I see no other discussion so
I would uh ask for us to vote on the
amendment mayor mayor did you have a
comment on the amendment oh sorry uh
well we have an amendment on yeah we can
have one so at this point uh we have an
amendment uh to vote on on which would
say that uh if if U attorney Scott would
repeat it it's just requesting uh
monitoring of the cost I think I heard
quarterly excuse me I uh we have we have
a main motion and we have an amendment
to it so that's why the point of order
do you have to vote to amend a motion I
thought you just accepted the amendment
verbally we have to vote on an amendment
we have we is that correct yes yes we we
have an amendment to something that is
we have a main motion and if someone
wanted to say except on Tuesdays that
would be an you know that would be an
amendment and we'd have to vote on that
Amendment so City attorney just raised
her
hand go ahead mayor if if it's a
friendly Amendment there's no need to
vote but I would ask the the person who
seconded the
original motion to agree with the
friendly amendment I thought that I
don't even think we need a friendly
Amendment let's just keep it very simple
if somebody else wants to make an
amendment to the main motion after this
one's taken care of then they can make
an amendment to that to the main motion
so uh the excuse me well okay if you
want to call it a friendly amendment I
don't I believe she moved to it should
be an amendment an amendment is a change
to what's already been posted to the
public that's why I suggested it be an
amendment we have Amendment we have a
second so we do not need a point of
order on the subject because we have we
can have one vote at a time so we have
an amendment we have a second this we're
still going to continue uh a a main
motion but it would be amended if this
is if this amend is is uh accepted so at
this point I'm asking that we vote on
the amendment as requested and second it
please record your
vote okay so we have accepted the
amendment that said there will be a
quarterly uh and Reporting on uh the
expenses as requested
we will now continue with discussion of
the um main motion and you I believe you
go ahead vice mayor thank thank you
mayor I'll be very brief I'm going to
vote no on this motion tonight and I'm
going to explain that very briefly and
then I will conclude my remarks we hire
professionals train professionals to
budget to set budgets I know we all know
circumstances have changed drastically
we all know about unprecedented changes
but we also knew about the medians we
the fact that it floods there that's not
new information we've known that forever
and so it's a
215% increase and I also want to agree
with council member Janik please don't
call under original budget some amended
budget and original budget these are
public documents that members of the
public read and rely on so I'll please
remind the staff of that the importance
of of attention and
detail um
if I thought that I had the votes I
would move to delay this for more
discussion and we can get to the bottom
of it as far as getting answers for
residents
the
alcp I was on Transportation Commission
when we did that program we know every
dollar that we have all these projects
we have more projects for that than we
can do and so there will be trade-offs
for that as a reminder and um and on top
of that this roundabout is not
there's not consensus on a roundabout on
Scottdale Road in fact I think I would
argue it's very controversial those are
my concluding remarks on why I'm going
to vote no thank you mayor thank you I
have the city manager wishing to speak
go ahead no I I didn't ask for comment
thank you but but I I I'm allowing okay
thank okay let's hear what you have say
I apologize I uh I pressed a while ago
to try to respond to some of the
questions pending out there so I I
appreciate it um just and I've had this
up for a bit just I want to walk through
it I know it doesn't give Clarity to
some of the concerns out there but the
biggest issue I think was alluded to
maybe not covered enough that I
understand is was the drainage add-on um
the drainage originally was anticipated
to be very short be able to catch up the
area so the largest increase it's not
that property values gone up from 54,000
to 2.6 it's just that we had to acquire
so much more property for the drainage
to pick up the outflows that was that
originally designed no cuz we don't do
design design we do an engineering
estimate and then we come back and when
we design it this came forward part of
the budget problem we ran into is our
budget estimates did not have it
designed yet when it was finally
designed July we they came back and said
you need to pick up a whole bunch
additional land to be able to do those
Crossings if you don't wish to do the
crossings and still have the dips um you
certainly can do that but then you have
the flooding and other things associated
with it but we can give you the exact
numbers on that and come back and share
those as part of the quarterly updat so
you're aware of what those are you're
going to see a large number in that and
there a lot of dirt moving and then you
have to compact soils you have to make
sure that the water flows are going to
go to it there's a whole bunch involved
that increase that the other one that
wasn't not anticipated and we accept
that was the aps utilities that's 1.7
when you you back out the the change in
the actual design because of the flood
uh Potentials in those areas and you
take out APS that wasn't anticipated
then that percentage drops dramatically
on the on the money above in particular
the federal money originally we were
allocated 20.4 million for this project
the additional one does not the federal
money or the the Alp money does not come
away from our current allotment that we
have that we did the 0.1 sales tax
increase to match this is additional
money that they brought out of the the
pot of money that's available out there
and gave it to us for the the additional
amount so it doesn't take away from our
other projects approved our other
projects approved may have that the
other portion of it yes there was only
two biders uh we were hopeful that we
would have more um appreciate the
mayor's comments as well um like we ran
into in a few projects in the past on
concrete in particular one in downtown
here that used up a lot when we were
trying to do Civic Center Plaza we we we
had a order concrete out months in
advance we're running a little bit on
the asphalt um associated with same
because state has the 101 and a bunch of
other major roadways torn up right now
so I suspect the contractors took that
in consideration as well to make sure
they deliver on time so again it was a
bid project and you're always subject to
whatever the market bears for those
prices we did have two biders and this
was the low bidder I know that doesn't
change your questions we'll come back at
the quarterly report if approved this
evening and provide uh the the specifics
Associated what was originally
anticipated with drainage versus what it
is today and so forth but I think that's
going to address a good portion of that
change is in those areas so thank
you you know there's I've been looking
at bids and and amounts for for decades
but as weird as it sounds okay
infrastructure pays sales tax and that
sales tax goes to the state as well to
the as to the city now I've never had a
you know when when I have private sector
clients they pay sales tax and that's
all well in this case we're the we're
the um we're paying the bills but we're
also collecting a sales tax um you know
it it goes round and around in that uh
we are part of the regional um
transportation system uh I pointed out
that when Phoenix has raw land on the
west we can pretty much let a culvert
out once it once it leaves Scottsdale
according to Arizona law the water's
going to drain back into that a royal
but when we have Scottdale homeowners on
both sides of that road it becomes a a
full liability for us and we're going to
do the the what's right with that I see
no uh further need for discussion please
record your
vote on and the vote is on the main
motion as with the amendment as um as
approved so
and at this point the motion carries
with um five to two um opposing that was
Little Miss Littlefield and Miss Graham
uh with that we are concluded with item
um on our regular gender item number 18
next we move to public comment a second
opportunity for public to come forward
I'm told there is no request uh for
public uh comment therefore I will close
public comment
uh item 19 is posted as uh acceptance of
any um um petition and seeing none we
have no action on that item therefore we
are concluded with the posted agenda
items and I would request a motion and a
second to
adjourn second thank you uh we have
motion and a second please record your
vote unanimous areour thank you enjoy
the
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