Development Review Board - October 3, 2024

good afternoon everyone and welcome to
today's Dr meeting for the city of
Scottsdale the purpose of the
development review board is to maintain
the quality of development in Scottdale
by reviewing all of the design aspects
of a proposed development and the
relationship of its design components to
the surrounding environment and
community
the board also reviews all preliminary
plats for subdivisions to assure
conformance to policies and ordinance
requirements the agenda consists of the
Roll Call public comment on non-
agendized items the administrative
report minutes approval for the prior
meeting and and in all action items a
roll call vote will be taken after each
item's motion the Leone will call each
board member's name to indic indicate
their desired vote for that item after
the vote has been counted the Leon will
read out the final vote citizens wishing
to speak during public comment time or
to speak specifically on any agenda item
may fill out a blue request to speak
card at the staff table over here before
the agenda item is to be discussed
citizens interested in submitting a
written comment on any item May submit a
yellow written comment card in person to
the staff table prior to the beginning
of public
testimony when called please come to the
podium state your name and address and
then begin speaking groups wishing to
speak should elect a spokesperson to
represent the views of the group fac to
facilitate the meeting your comment will
be limited to three minutes for
individual speakers with one additional
minute for each
individual present at the meeting who
has contributed their time to their
representative speaker up to a total of
10 minutes I remind our audience that
the board reviews relate to design
matters and does not include
consideration of existing zoning
District designations zoning
entitlements or allowed uses within the
zoning districts the board motion may be
to approve to approve with modified
stipulations or to deny the request
or to continue the case thank you for
your time and for your interest and we
will now begin with the roll
call councilwoman Littlefield here Vice
chair brand here board member Robinson
here board member pzer here board member
faki present board member
Mason commissioner Scarboro here six
present thank you
thank you very much next we have public
comment for non agendized items citizens
May address the member of members of the
development review board during public
comment public comment is time time is
reserved at the beginning of the meeting
for citizens to comment on non-
agendized items that are written within
the developmental review board's rules
and regulations and jurisdictions and is
limited to a total of 15 minutes Arizona
State LW prohibits the development
review board from discussing or taking
any action on these non- agendized
items speakers May submit a blue request
to speak card in person prior to the
meeting of the public of the public
testimony and is limited to three
minutes per speaker written comment is
also being accepted for non- agendized
items and may be submitted in person at
the hearing or electronically at the de
development Review Board website written
comment submitted electronically will be
emailed to development review board
members are there any comment cards for
non- agendized
items no okay very good next we go on to
the administrative report Mr
Carr thank you and good afternoon
councilman Littlefield members of the
board just want to note real quickly I
think I we do have bmer Mason now on the
call is that correct
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um thank you you're
welcome okay if you're there board
member Mason if you could please just
mute your mic while you're not talking
thank
you that's what that
was okay I think we're good
there once again uh just want to note
you do have a few items on your Das
today
hello yes board member Mason are you
there okay you do have a do a few items
on your on your Das there some extra
correspondence that have curred post the
posting of our um agenda so just want to
make a note of that so you can reference
those and we do have some public comment
as well on some items um this afternoon
so when we get to those we'll have those
public comment speakers come up to to
give their input other than that um it
does not look like barring any thing
happening at this particular meeting
that requires additional attention we
will not have a meeting um two weeks
from now on the 17th so um our next
regular schedule meeting after that
would be November
7th okay thank you thank you
hello um next we have the minutes
approval of the September 19th 2024
development review View Board regular
meeting minutes do I have a motion to
approve I'll move to approve the regular
meeting minutes of September 19th
20124
hello do I have a second
second any comments
cons all those in favor please signify
by saying I or register your vote I get
roll call oh okay roll call oh yeah we
will do a roll call councilwoman
Littlefield yes Vice chair brand yes
board member Robinson yes board member
paser yes board member faki yes
commissioner Scarboro yes motion passes
60 thank
you thank
you next we have action
items how the action agenda works the
development review board may take one
vote to act on all items on the
continuance agenda and or consent agenda
or may remove individual items for
further discussion as appropriate the
development review board takes separate
action items on each item on the regular
agenda persons interested in speaking on
any agenda item May submit a blue
request to speak card prior to the
beginning of the public testimony those
wishing to speak are customarily given
three minutes to speak on each item
additional time may be granted
to the designated speaker representing
two or more persons please submit the
cards together I do have some cards some
blue cards this is what they
are and
um if you have uh written comments you
can submit those also and they will be
on yellow written comment cards in
person prior to the beginning of the of
the testimony or you may submit them
electronically at the development Review
Board website no later than 90 minutes
prior to the meeting so those should
already be in on our consent agenda we
do have some request to speak on item
number three so I would like to move
that we move this uh consent agenda item
number three the Estates on Hayden to
our regular
agenda do I have a
second
second
okay do I need a vote no okay so that
item has now been moved to the regular
agenda and will be the first item on
that regular agenda we have three three
other items on consent dr30
20215 which is one scotdale pu
Activia 14dr 2023 the Paso Village gas
station and 7dr 2024 skyport hangers at
Redfield there any comments or questions
regarding these
items councilwoman yes I don't have a a
comment well I have a comment
necessarily but not a questioner it
doesn't need to be pulled I did want to
mention something because we've seen a
significant number of residential
products that have come through the city
and come through the Dr board but the
the project the atavia project item
number four just wanted to give a
compliment to the developer because
that's this typology of residential is
not something that we've particularly
seen a lot of it's what I think some of
us would call the missing middle product
but it's a stacked it's a differently
stacked town home orientation it's not
just a stick frame stacked flat wrapped
around a parking garage it's not the
typical residential higher or middle
density residential that we see here and
it's also not a typical Garden style
walkup unit which is the two styles that
we see so I do want to give a compliment
to the developer whoever they are on the
crowd for bringing a different product
and it has a great home in the one Scot
sale development where we're really
focusing a lot on Street Scapes and I
think that product has a a good amount
of differentiation and it'll be a find a
good home here in Scots and I hope that
other residential developers will take a
look at that product and see what
they've done and see the value in
creating something a different product
here in the city so I just wanted to say
thank you to that applicant appreciate
it thank you and that is located um on
North Scottdale Road when it is built so
be very obvious right there do I have a
motion to approve approve the remaining
consent agenda items 4 through six uh
councilman I'll go ahead and make that
motion I'll move to approve cases 30 Dr
2021 number 5 15 Dr 2023 and 7 Dr 2024
for the staff recommended stipulations
after finding that the development
applications meet the applicable
development review board
criteria do I have a second I'll second
that but I'm assuming you meant for item
number 54 Dr 2023 correct okay
correct okay any additional comments
questions then may I have
a a roll call
vote councilwoman Littlefield yes Vice
chair brand yes board member Robinson
yes board member paser yes board member
faki yes commissioner Scarboro yes
motion passes 60 thank you thank you
very much next we move on to our regular
agenda
um uh item number 7 is 24dr 2024 which
is rebath exterior EXC repaint excuse me
uh Council Littlefield um I'm getting to
you yeah um can we um hear item number
three first uh 10 pp9 number two and I
would suggest since we have public
comment on that one we hear public
comment first and then the board can uh
decide where they want to go from there
on that item on item number three
correct okay I am sorry I I missed that
I apologize okay we go back to consent
agenda item number three which has been
moved to regular
and do I have someone here to speak on
this yes there are two uh comment cards
in front of you for those to speak
yes but no one okay
uh Daniel
King over to this to the podium
please okay my name is Daniel King I
live at 8144 Olen road which is about
300 feet from the
applicant um before I get into uh my
concern or why I'm here today uh I just
want wanted to make the board aware that
the public notice protocols that were
required were not properly followed with
regards to this development the sign was
posted three miles away additionally I
live within 300 feet they noted on page
seven of the application that they'd be
reaching out to all the local uh
residents and contacting them which I
was not contacted um I just learned
about this uh from someone who' sent me
a letter on the matter uh so I guess
before I get into why I'm up here I
would just like to ask the board maybe
if you could uh either postpone this or
move this to another date so that the
proper public notice can be given to the
neighboring
residents um all right I will uh go into
um why I'm up here uh the main reason
I'm up here today is because there's a
flood wall that the applicant wants to
install
so the flood wall will go and redirect
um the FEMA floodway which is in the
middle of this property um my concern
about that in addition to Aesthetics uh
is that it um is redirecting a natural
resource that should not be taking place
uh the second item I want to bring up is
81st Street so between um olon Road and
Black Mountain Road uh there is a dirt
road which is 81st Street it's a public
right of way um on page 22 which is
three of 10 of the Kimberly horn
drawings uh it indicates that this is
not intended for a 100-year use Road uh
I would like to bring up that every
single other subdivision that has been
built within a surrounding area of this
uh has been required to address the dirt
roads into they have paved the dirt
roads this is one of the last remaining
dirt roads in this area and if this uh
is approved this road will not be paved
unlike all the other roads um adding to
the aesthetic of the area this is a very
high-end area with high-end homes over
there it also doesn't address the
floodway that is going through this uh
dirt road which is 81st Street on there
um if the flood wall is allowed it will
cause severe backup and damage to this
public right of
way
um I don't know if today's the right
quum or form for the lot sizes but the
lot sizes are uh way smaller than they
should be it should be 43,000 square ft
per lot these lot sizes are 32,000 to 34
,000 um they say that they increased the
average size to
35,000 on page nine that's
incorrect um they do try to factor the
naos into these Lots um but I would just
like to mention that the developer which
is Blandford Homes um
they uh knew they should have known um I
would assume that they would know when
they purchased the lot that this lot has
it's very Environmental mentally
sensitive there's the floodway that runs
through it I know that they are
dedicating a significant portion to the
naos but just in general they
probably uh they could probably build on
the lot without having to redirect the
flood plane excuse me you're you're over
time oh I apologize anyway thank you
please don't vote for this thank
you next we have uh Beth wearing
uh I'm Beth wearing I live at 34315
North 81st Street it's on the corner of
white white horn and 81st so I'm
significantly um our home is um
been uh what you how do you want to say
uh most significantly addressed to us
because we're seeing we have a million
dollar view of the Black Mountain and
the boulders and that subdivision is
going to impair that but I see where
they're taking
significant um ways of helping it be
presentable to us but my question is is
there's a divider on 81st Street Street
there is a road that uh in the there's a
median in the middle of the road uh
right before it hits the dirt road and
there are it divides into two single
roads from the two the main 81st Road
and my question is is we from sanflower
up to 84th Street to Black Mountain down
to Olen road we have all the the
neighborhood everyone walks their dogs
and this happens continuously all most
most of the summer in the early mornings
all the way into the winter which is
wonderful and we love it but my question
is is um I noticed on um the development
review board criteria number five on
page 16 and D it says Ingress egress
internal traffic
circulation um off street parking
facilities loading and service areas and
pedestrian ways shall be so designed as
to promote safety and convenience well
that's my concern is where it opens up
to the it it divides to two single roads
in the median there's um the uh
landscape but on either side when the
dog when we're walking an oncoming car
either way coming or going the The
Walker has to walk off to the side has
to get off into the desert and there's
it's pretty
um Wild
and to there's no sidewalks or anything
and I my question is is the subdivision
going to uh make um it eable for
pedestrians to walk be on that divider
Street those divider single streets so
that people can with their dogs can walk
off the street to the side pull off to
the side so an oncoming car can approach
because the way it is now it's very
tight and E either the car has to back
up or the people have to go go back you
know either way so my question is is is
that addressed in the subdivision
planning I couldn't find that I I just
is there an easement that will help
pedestrians be safe in that
area that's my
question and I don't know who to
ask yes is there someone here on staff
who can answer some of these questions
councilwoman Littlefield certainly we
can have the uh someone from staff or
one of the applicants Representatives
answer those questions um it may be a
little bit better to have the applicant
answer some of those questions okay if
you if you'd like we can call the
applicant up right now to do that yes I
think that would be appropriate that
would be wonderful because we have so
many Walkers it would be very
advantageous for us thank you thank
you thank you
you
so councilwoman and members of the
design review board my name is Jordan
rose with rose Law Group and with me
today is Alex Stedman from rvi the
Planner on the project um as well as
Curtis Brown from kimley horn and
Patrick Alder from the development um uh
the developer thank you very much for
out um yeah maybe we can pull up um Brad
or um let's see what exhibit um yeah yes
yes go back one please uh back again
okay I think this might be the most um
helpful to look at and Alex you can jump
in here but I wanted to um address the
comments on 81st Street which is on the
east side of our development there you
can see we we only have access on Hayden
which is on the west side of the
development and when we were going
through with the community um the
understanding was that we would leave
the 81st um Street as it is with the uh
feature that it has and so that's why
it's um designed that way we're not
going to be adding traffic to
that
yeah
okay um are there any questions from
this board can you also adjust your
notification process for the project
sure um uh council member Littlefield
and board member Brandt um we followed
proper notification uh for the Outreach
area I'm not sure why Mr King wasn't uh
notified as part of this Outreach
process but U it really should he should
have received a a notification letter
from rvi that would have happened about
two months ago um and then subsequently
to that more recently the city would
have notified uh via photo uh postcard
to uh that same group uh for this
hearing was there an on-site posting
that happened I was referred to or Mr
Carr can you from a staff standpoint is
there yeah if I may councilwoman
Littlefield Vice chair brand uh we were
notified Tuesday that um the posting
that the staff did was in the on the
wrong location so um we went out there
immediately and put the sign in the
correct location for the site um but it
subsequently has not been there put our
typical policy of 10 days for the for
the public to see it's been there
essentially two days today uh Tuesday
Wednesday for the public to see part of
today Thursday um and so just to kind of
remind the board what the requirements
are for posting of development reiew
board cases dissimilar to a zoning case
or anything that goes to public hearing
with the city council there's no State
mandated requirement for notification on
development development review board
cases um um it's a policy that the city
has to notify on development RW board
cases but there's no State mandated or
uh City zoning ordinance mandated
requirement for notification on
development re review board cases so um
it's at the uh board's discretion if
they want to hear this case further or
if they'd like to render a decision
today okay I also had another question
for um either staff or the applicant
about addressing the lot sizes that was
mentioned by the um speaker um and maybe
that may be more appropriate for staff
how you answer the question on density
and lot size in
these councilwoman Littlefield and uh
and vice chair brand um I can definitely
give staff's perspective as far as the
the design uh in the environmentally
sensitive lands ordinance it states that
uh a project can amend development
standards up to 25% and that 25% should
have a justification uh typically the
justification is usually additional
Natural Area open space to protect more
natural features on the site in this
instance as you can see the wash takes
up about half half of the of the site
itself and so typically when staff does
a review like this what staff prefers
and I I shouldn't say staff I should say
the ordinance what the ordinance prefers
is that any any major uh sensitive uh
feature as this wash be protected within
a tract um throughout history staff has
learned that if a natural feature like
that is located on somebody's lot uh
when people know how far they own they
sometimes tend to disturb up to that
point and so the ordinance allows again
for the for the modification of of
development standards in this case it
was size lot they were amended as you
can see the the the four lots that are
adjacent as small as they could as per
the ordinance so that more of that wash
could be located within a tract so as
far as the staff's review is uh that's
why uh we encouraged in this instance to
the for the lots to be amended to the
ordinance uh allowed square footage so
that more of that wash could be
protected in the track which will be
again protected by the HOA and not not
won't be um affected adversely by the
owners um because of the limit of the
25% you still if you went to the plat
itself without the other Graphics you'll
see there was still a portion of those
lots that are in the wash and that's
because the ordinance only allows for
the amendment of the of the net lot area
25% and chair and vice chair I just
might add that this was approved um some
years ago and then it expired and so
we're back uh to sort of go through it
again so it hasn't changed since then
can you also U applicant Mr stemman can
you address the concern about the
modifications to the wash and the the
wall that's been in place and your
process with
staff chair Vice chair uh be happy to do
that um let me get to the right slide
here okay so this is a this is a copy of
our preliminary plat application we see
a couple of uh lines there along the
South edge of the property that
represent the flood plane and flood way
so the dash line uh that we see to the
north and to the South extremes that's
the flood plane as it's drawn today the
thicker black line that you see more
towards the center of the wash
represents the flood way the flood way
conveys the majority of the flows during
a storm storm event the flood plane is
carries a little bit of water during a
flood event but only in very large
events and even then the the velocities
and the volumes are very low within
those areas so we have worked over the
last four to five years with City staff
to develop a concept where we can
minimize that flood plane the portion
let me see if this pointer works this
portion right in here that extends into
our Lots three and four to create a
situation where we can protect those
lots from the flood plane but to do so
that doesn't impact any Lots either to
the Upstream side or the downstream side
of our property and that's very
important that is by the city's
ordinance that we cannot impact those
adjacent neighbors so every every ounce
of water that's currently within that
flood plane
those velocities those volumes need to
be the same at either end of our site so
we've come up with a concept where in
reclaiming this portion of the flood
plane we're proposing a retaining wall
um that will protect those lots but
again I want to reinforce that while
we're protecting our own Lots we're also
protecting all the Lots upstream and
downstream thank you and for from Braden
from staff standpoint there no
stipulations here this is underground
full review of staff and there's no no
comments or stipulations from
staff uh councilman Littlefield Vice
chair bran there are stipulations for
the application but nothing that uh the
applicant and the city do not agree on
at this
point I have I have any other comments
okay thank you does anyone else have any
questions yes go
ahead thank you councilwoman Littlefield
uh could you uh please speak to miss
warring's concerns in terms of a
pedestrian safety that she referenced in
her
comments so when we originally developed
this site plan uh back in 2020 and
brought it before the board there were
some discussions that precipitated
coming in front of the board um about
the character of of 81st Street and what
we had heard from The Neighbors at that
time was this was a very rural road it
was was very personal in terms of that
Community had its Desert Character and
there was an agreement at that point in
time to lead to maintain the character
of that roadway uh it is a rural road uh
there are very few homes that are served
by uh this this this this particular
stretch of roadway um and I think there
was kind of a joint agreement to say
let's not turn this into a a a typical
Suburban looking Street so at that point
in time we had provided the extra right
of way that's the reason for the Bulge
uh you see there um at the at the
northeast corner of the site but by and
large we had attempted and worked with
staff and neighbors to maintain that
character um so that did not include a
sidewalk as the typical ESL rural um
local Street crosssection does not have
a sidewalk um so even if we were to
build this to a a typical city of
Scottdale rural ESL local Street
character it wouldn't include sidewalks
it may include shoulders uh but it would
be 24t of asphalt plus curbs and then
and then shoulders uh within a 40 foot
ride of
way thank
you does anyone else have any questions
or
comments regarding this
issue then may I have a motion from the
board that would be from us yeah thanks
I'll I'll move to approve make a motion
to
approve um item number three case 10-
p-29 number two of States on
Hayden per the staff recommended
stipulations after finding the
development application meets the
development review board criteria I'll
second thank
you any further
discussion may I have a roll call vote
please councilwoman Littlefield yes Vice
chair brand yes board member Robinson
yes board member paser yes board member
faki yes commissioner Scarboro yes
motion passes 60 thank you thank you
thank you thank you very much
and um we have already done the rest of
the consent I believe so now we move on
to our regular
agenda regular
agenda uh item number 24 Dr 2024 the
rebath exterior
repaint and I believe uh that I have on
here that staff has suggested a
continuation for this
project um to work on the colors that
have and and to bring it back here at a
future date do you still want to
continue this chair Littlefield we do um
staff is prepared to Prov uh provide a
presentation to discuss um staff's
concerns with you and the applicant is
also here to provide some of their
background as well so we'll hear from
the staff first thank you yes thank
you good afternoon councilwoman
Littlefield uh commissioner Scaro and
members of the development review board
my name is Bron tipson I'm a planner
with the city of Scottdale and I'm here
to present 20 uh case number 24d 2024
rebath exterior
repaint um this is the context area of
the site located at the intersection of
Shea Boulevard and Scottdale
Road here is a detail aerial of the site
located within Paradise Valley
Plaza the site is the site is zoned C3
Highway commercial and is surrounded by
similar uses
um here you see the previously approved
paint color scheme from a development
review board case approved in
1980 um as you can see the white color
is original to the approval along with a
brown accent color that is still present
on the western portion of the current
building
facade this is a photo of the existing
paint scheme that was applied without
City Review or approval as you can see a
portion of the facade was painted with a
red accent while using while the
existing white color was maintained
the current color scheme is not
supported by either the Scottdale
commercial design guidelines or the
sensitive design principles um in
accordance with these principles and
guidelines the design of the built
environment should respond to the desert
environment through the use of textures
and natural materials that provide
visual interest and richness with a
simplified pallette of materials and
colors additionally material colors
should be primarily muted desert tones
that have a warmer soft saturation that
consist of a subdued intensity
the bright red accent color that has
been currently applied does not appear
to meet this requirement additionally
while the buildings within the shopping
center are eclectic utilizing a variety
of design materials and colors a primary
concern that staff has is that the two
separate tenant Suites within the
subject building that share a facade do
not provide continuity within the
specific building moreover because the
tenant sus for this stretch of Frontage
don't align in a symmetrical way with
the exterior building design and parid
elevation change es the location of the
color split from the existing scheme is
more visually apparent and generally
inconsistent with the painting of
buildings in the
area um and it is also worth noting that
this paint scheme was applied without
City Review or approval um staff
recommends that the development review
board continue case 24dr 2024 rebath
exterior repaint and direct the
applicant to revise the proposed color
scheme to comply with the Scottsdale
sensitive design principles and the
Scottdale commercial design guid
lines and that concludes my presentation
um the applicant is here to address any
questions you may have thank you thank
you so much do we have any questions for
the
applicant do you do you wish to give a
short
presentation okay any
questions I I do have a question
actually okay so staff requesting uh
continuous what the applicants want I
guess are the is the applicant pushing
back or uh yes so uh commissioner or
excuse me councilwoman Littlefield uh
board member fi the applicant is seeking
approval of this color scheme as applied
um but staff is not in support of that
request yeah this is a tough one because
this whole shopping center I think you
know the way it's condop pled I don't
know how much one elevation changing I
mean I don't know what could be done
there other than us as a city maybe do
something for this whole design
guideline for the shopping center but
there is a lot of different architecture
becoming there just it's really
different I personally you know don't
mind being the civil engineer on the
board I'm okay with what the applicant
proposing usly though especially for
this shopping
center okay any other comments or
questions then may have a motion I'm I'm
going to make a motion because I'm in
I'm in support of Staff Contin
continuing to work with the applicant um
on this case so they can come forward
and supported by staff so I'm going to
I'm going to make a motion to per staff
recommendation to continue case 24-d
2024 with the direction that the
applicant will work with staff to find
an appropriate color pallet and
application that meets the city design
guidelines
second okay I have a motion in a second
do you wish to speak to your second no
all right then we can take a
vote councilwoman Littlefield
yes Vice chair brand yes board member
Robinson yes board member paser yes
board member faki
no commissioner Scarboro yes motion
passes
51 all right thank you very
much um and that has been continued
moving on then to our next item item
number eight and last item on our agenda
3dr 2024 the
ASM uh
Scottdale do we have a staff
presentation good
afternoon councilwoman commissioner Vice
chair board members my name is Katie
Poler and I'm here to present 3dr 2024
which is ASM
Scottdale the site is located northwest
of the 76th Street and Mayo Boulevard
alignment to the north is the Lu 101 to
the West is the Optima development
that's currently under construction to
the South is vacant state land further
east is banner and then north of the 101
and Northeast is the cavison development
for
reference the zoning on the site is i1
PCD which stands for industrial park
planed Community district and it allows
for this land use
the request in BR you today is for
approval of a site plan landscape plan
and building elevations for an office
building lab and above grade parking
garage here's a site plan just to go
over some key item starting on the left
side or the west side is the parking
garage which is approximately 370,000
Square ft to the north of that is the
office building which is kind of like a
backwards L on this site plan and that
is 230,000 Square ft to the right of
that is the lab and that's 180,000
Square ft in the middle of the lab and
the parking garage and the office is
some surface parking and employee
amenities as well as a very large shade
canopy and then in terms of access there
is one driveway off of 76th Street to
the east two Drive ways off of Mayo
Boulevard to the
South and there is also a 10-ft shared
use path along Mayo Boulevard in
alignment with the transportation master
plan that will connect with Optima to
the west and banner to the
east here is the open space plan the
required amount of open space is
approximately three acres and the site
plan provides for
seven here is the landscape plan and
this is the overall version but it was
broken up into additional pages in the
report there is base planting adjacent
to most of the buildings there is
Landscaping along the west and North
Boundary which is adjacent to Optima and
the
loop1 and additionally there are trees
on the north and south side of the new
pedestrian connection so on both sides
of the new sidewalks along the street
frontages and we also had the applicant
work with staff to align the tree
species with the Optima and banner
development so it would feel cohesive
along male
Bard here are the building elevations
for the office and lab the building
elevation on the top of the screen is
the South elevation so that's what's
facing mayo and then the building
elevation on the bottom side is the
north elevation which is facing the 101
the elevations include various metal
panels um ver vertical shade fins which
you can see is kind of a gradient along
that um South and North
elevation as well as glazing on the
North elevation this is a significantly
long facade it's 640 ft um in length so
staff and the applicant discussed that
item and originally there was one um
recessed area along that facade and it's
been increased to four different recess
areas with some additional
depth here's the East Elevation which
faces 76 Street and the west elevation
which faces that interior Courtyard
area here's the parking garage this is
five levels um all the buildings are 52
ft in height the office is three levels
and the lab is two but here is the
parking garage which also repeats the
vertical shade fins and different metal
panels here are some perspectives this
is the view along Mayo
Boulevard here's a view if you were
going west along
Mayo here's the view from the freeway
which kind of shows those recess areas
mentioned
earlier here is the shade canopy over
the amenity area and the main entrance
into the office office
building and then here are the materials
and colors of those metal panels they
were originally some cooler gray tones
and they were revised to be a little bit
warmer to align with the sensitive
design
principles that concludes staff
presentation but the applicant is also
here to present we're both here to
answer questions thank
you thank you very much would the
applicant like to come up and speak at
the
time okay ready to go Fant great uh good
afternoon uh Madame chair uh board
members uh thank you very much for this
opportunity uh very quickly here to talk
a little bit about what we think is a
tremendously exciting project in the
city of Scottsdale here uh for the ASM
project um
we would like to start off uh a little
bit with you know this ASM is a
internationally recognized company um
where Innovation is in their DNA um they
work in microscales and precision and a
level of detail that is remarkable um
the DNA this design their DNA is part of
the design approach to actually uh
design this building you know we were
inspired by you know a number of the
molecular forms of of uh you know a lot
of the patterning and a lot of the tools
that they create um you know we've taken
that scale and that idea and articulated
that at a campus scale a building scale
and an architectural facade scale so
that the building has an identity and
meaning to it and and really an
important piece of that was to create an
iconic piece of architecture that was
required uh you know within the
standards particularly along the 101 um
you know these qualities we think um not
only will create a very kind of um
Hightech Forward Thinking building but
also a building that would reflect uh
the natural surroundings
um as Katie had mentioned you know this
is the site plan uh or the context plan
I'm sorry um you know with this uh you
know what we think is that it's a very
significant site um you'll see that you
know it has great visibility um to the
101 um we have great Mountain views all
around this site which we think are
spectacular um it's really uh sort of
the uh the focus of how the building
becomes organized on the
site um when you begin to look at the
building um you know it was really
inspired by the desert context and the
mountain ranges that you can see there
in the foreground um the buildings
really take advantage of those views
from every aspect being on the campus uh
we're really trying to reinforce the
iconic Edge along the 101 but at the
same time creating an outward experience
for the employees and for the community
so you kind of see there a dynamic
architectural shade element that's in
the center of the campus this allows the
buildings to be arranged around that and
to bring daylight into all four sides of
every building which we think it is
going to be spectacular for the uh for
the employees um also you know we've
looked at developing as you can see
multiple building scales that reflect
the desert
surroundings one item we just would like
to uh to clarify uh with with everyone
is that um the project isn't compliance
with all set forth uh development
standards and requirements uh we put
together just a quick list here of of
the requirements of setbacks uh building
Heights um open space requirements and F
uh maximums you can see that um our
setbacks are all within that range our
building height is at the 52 foot height
maximum that's allowed um open space 15%
is required but we're at 36% we're
really excited about that from a
standpoint of integrating into the
desert and the community around that and
then street parking were required 1127
and we're providing that number um we've
worked really close with staff on uh you
know really working through to make sure
that the design um you know ensures
compliance with the with codes
um really quickly the site plan I think
Katie had mentioned um one thing I would
like to say is how this is organized um
you know the project is organized uh in
a way that allows the office building to
kind of um you know run parallel to the
Loop 101 then the lab building um that
you have uh basically to the east is
then bookend by the um the parking deck
to the West creates a wonderful
Courtyard in the center of the building
as you can see the idea was to create an
outward reaching approach from Mayo so
the space between mayo and the front
door of the building is a series of
wonderful uh Gardens and Landscapes and
shaded area we have tens of thousands of
feet of shaded outdoor area as part of
this project to really sort of promote
the indoor outdoor space on the
landscape plan uh again all the
landscape is native plant material and
trees it's all low water tolerant um
everything that's been thought about
with this project has been tied into
sustain into a
sustainability um you know
sustainability is really important um to
ASM it's also important to us as a
design firm Gensler and we know how
important it is to the city of Scottdale
so these are just a few of the things
that we're doing on the site uh to kind
of bring this project develop a
state-of-the-art um sustainable project
we're not only looking um at just
getting leads certified but we're um
really targeting lead gold for this
project so we're excited about where
that's going to begin to go but you know
some of the highlights You see there are
just simply you know bio swes to bring
rain water down um water harvesting um
high efficiency equipment everywhere in
this project the glazing is high
performance glazing um air quality
sensors solar shading and control and
then also electric charging vehicles are
on site also as part of the
design so as Kitty had mentioned the
elevations um it you know this is a it's
a large project and so what we tried to
do is to kind of look at the project at
three scales at once scale of a campus
scale of individual buildings as you see
uh on the North and the South elevations
the buildings are broken up into smaller
components of architecture then the
facades themselves are actually
developed in a way that gives a texture
and a pattern down to a finite scale
that we think begins to represent the
Precision of ASM and the tools they
create um this is a typical diagram of
our massing articulation uh facing 101
as you can see that longer building is
broken up into three components then
it's broken up into a series of smaller
components not only in sort of a a an
elevation perspective but an up and down
perspective you can see building
components are shifted out parapets are
raised up again the idea was to create a
very highly articulated uh facade that
we worked very very closely with
staff um we' like to present this
drawing to you uh for your consideration
as a an image of a kind of a sunset view
of the project driving down 101 the
image up at the upper left is where we
started with our first submitt of this
project so we've been working with staff
very uh diligently to of create a much
more vibrant articulated facade that you
see on the bottom so the upper left is
what was existing the sketch below is on
the bottom and then again the uh the the
sort of uh you know final design of this
as you see it on the street again
articulation at building scale
articulation at massing scale and also
the uh the building itself wanted to
share with you a little bit of the
detail of the facade this is something I
think as a team we're very very proud of
um this is not a flat facade building as
you can kind of see here you know the
articulations of the push backs parid
Heights begin to change these are a
series of overlapping solar screens that
create a great Dynamic and high
performance facade for this building but
as you imagine driving by on the 101 or
imagine the sun setting the building
will be Ever Changing we think that's
sort of a really beautiful idea to
create almost an artistic um element on
the freeway as people drive by it we
think it'll represent Scott deal
beautifully um Again The View kind of on
Mayo you can see the Optima project back
in the background there we wanted to
sort of provide A View to show scale of
kind of the heights of those buildings
and the heights of of our buildings that
you're seeing here but again the campus
looks like multi a series of multi-b
buildings as you look at that um you
know the the the approach from Mayo um
you know here you begin to see you know
this beautiful outward reaching approach
to the project um you know varied uh
desert inspired colors and and I think
as Katie Katie showed you we have four
different desert colors that are that
are articulated through the facade so it
is not one color it's a beautiful
representation of almost like the desert
floor as you begin to look at
that also uh the the main entry canopy
um you know really um you know an idea
around you know the the ordinances
really call out for a very uniquely
personalized architecture on projects
that are kind of within the iconic
architecture zone of the city so this is
a really important part of this you know
even the canopy design there that's an
articulation of the DNA molecule that is
part of the of the tools and a part of
the a lot of the research that ASM does
uh with inside the building uh again the
idea of this unique architectural
experience we believe we're creating um
a microclimate like no other in the city
of Scottsdale again tens of thousands of
of square feet of shaded area beautiful
native Desert Landscaping um you know
corridors that bring all the pedestrian
walkways are covered they're landscaped
uh we just think it's a beautiful campus
experience and then just lastly as we
finish up uh you know again just the
idea of of sort of being within the uh
you know the Feld of the campus um you
know we think this begins to give uh you
know really give you a good uh a good
understanding of the um the kind of look
and feel of the project the quality of
the materials really the sense of place
that's being uh being created here and
then lastly um what we'd love to just
like to present is that for the band
that's at the top there we call it the
base building that's basically 90% of
the color of the project so as you're
looking at that you know for the most
part you know we've worked closely with
staff on really looking at Rich darker
desert colors and those colors uh we try
do the best of our ability to kind of uh
you know emulate in the perspectives
that you've seen but those top colors of
the desert colors that you see uh some
of the landscape material some of the
masonry again the glass that we're using
is a very clear glass that allows a
beautiful sunsets to kind of be seen in
in the glazing and as part of that um we
think that you know this is all part of
the uh the overall concept of the
project so with that um we uh we were
finished with our
presentation thank you very much I
appreciate your presentation and your
time are there any questions from the
board yes just one could staff pass
around the material board please thank
you
councilwoman sorry
are there any other comments or
questions council is there any public uh
cards okay okay at the moment then we'll
hold on on the comments from the council
and we'll move on to comments from our
speakers or from yeah requests from
people who would like to
speak um first off is uh David
hovi good good evening uh Council woman
Littlefield and drb members David hoby
Jr uh president of Optima I'm also the
architect of Optima McDow Mountain uh
along with my father um here tonight to
uh just update everyone on the progress
that we've made with ASM uh as you know
on September 17th we came to city
council and explained that there were
some very important issues that we were
working on um that could have an adverse
effect on our development and our
ability to uh obtain construction
financing uh for one of the buildings on
our property we have been working
closely with ASM since September 17th we
have been developing a fantastic
relationship with them they've been very
responsive congratulations to to Jay on
and his team on the Fantastic design we
think the design is good our issue uh is
that still remain are the issues with
the garage that you see here I think
just in the nature of keeping everything
as simple as possible here what I'd like
to do is just flip through some of the
renderings that we have we supplied
gendler and ASM with a series of
renderings uh that we put together and
then we asked them to show us their
renderings of uh the their design which
they did uh last Friday we met with them
and we've been back and forth several
times and I think we're making very good
progress so far however some of these
issues are still unresolved so let me
just flip through some of these
renderings
first as you can see here our um
building is to the left and uh the
garage is to the
right this is a site plan which so shows
the adjacency of our project to asm's
project and the orientation of the
five-story parking garage uh which it
runs parallel with our building number
four and this is a building that we
committed to uh building as a
condominium building during our zoning
uh last
year this is a elevation of the units
that are obstructed by the garage and uh
below that is a section that you see uh
between our project and uh ASM sparking
garage
this is a night elevation that we put
together this is one of the issues that
we're still working on is light
emanating from the garage very very
difficult from from a standpoint from
Optima standpoint when you have light
that's emanating from the garage
especially at night um the solar panels
are uh orientated at a 10 Dee tilt so
the units that you see on the north side
of the building are actually going to be
looking back into the open solar panels
and light fixtures and um um that's uh
that is one of the issues that we're
still working
on here is a rendering from grade level
looking directly east you can see here
that and we'll we'll show the uh the ASM
renderings as well here in a minute but
the knee wall only covers half of that
opening so there'll still be cars uh
visible uh and light fixtures that are
visible through the horizontals that you
see
here this is a elevation looking from
Level number four you can see how you
can start seeing the mountains and
another issue that we raised is the
color of the mechanical screen that you
see here it's a relatively light color
and contrasted with the dark mountains
that uh that are be behind our
experience as Architects is that any
color that's even relatively light
really really pops out more and more in
the desert so um this was one of the
issues that we discussed as well that
we're still working on you can see as we
get up to level eight you're starting to
see through some of the uh t ree tilt of
the um solar panels and you can see how
more prominent the top of the mechanical
screen is and then let me flip through
some of these ASM
renderings very beautiful interior
Courtyards that they've done and I just
want to also just mention that we are
very happy that ASM is our neighbor
we're looking forward to having a great
relationship here it's just we're not
quite not quite there with some of these
um some of these these
renderings
and here are the ASM renderings you see
it's a slightly different colors um you
can see on this angle again you're
looking at the at the 10° tilt of the uh
solar panels not back you can also see
the colors that are selected for the TPO
which is the roof covering as well as
the mechanical screen being very light
color in
nature here is uh some renderings at
night so this is much better than we
expected but there still is uh light
that's
emanating from this level two looking
East you can see at the top here see how
the you can see through you can see
through to the to the sky so from this
level you're going to be looking
straight into light
fixtures and you can see here from level
four that you can actually see into the
garage so at upper levels you're still
going to be looking down in there and
seeing seeing cars uh back and forth and
and and you can see here from the uh
eighth floor that you can see back into
the uh to the the roof so if you don't
if you don't mind I can just go through
we we have been going back and forth on
these issues i' just like if you don't
mind just quickly read some of the
issues out that we're still working on
first thing is the burying of the
parking garage we have made an offer an
official offer to ASM for Optima to pay
for the difference between a five-story
parking garage and then burying it three
floors we asked asked gendler to show us
some renderings of what that would look
like here's the garage from this angle
at uh three stories underground two
stories above garage you can see it with
the night rendering thank you very much
for providing these now you can see what
happens when you're on level two it's
it's it's extremely different project
because instead of looking at a parking
garage it's now just a twostory and
you're looking into the beautiful trees
that we've that we're planting and uh
ASM has shown showed us um um some of
the Landscaping plans I think we we
going back and forth I don't know if
we've seen the final Landscaping plans
but we've we are assured by ASM they're
going to be taking care of this and um
again we're developing a great
relationship one of the things that you
can see here is the color of that
mechanical screen it's there's clouds
behind it but uh with a blue sky these
these things tend to really pop in the
desert so the the roof treatments that
we're looking at from the lab building
and also the garage are very very
important to
Optima um this is a rendering from level
four you can see the difference it's
just you know night and day as far as
our ability to have a successful project
uh for building number four and you can
see how much better it is when you get
up to level eight
so just if I just can take one more
second here and um and just read off um
some of these issues that we had
uh um the bearing of the par parking
garage obviously that's our number one
priority to get that deal in place for
where we can actually bury the parking
garage the light emanating from the
parking garage uh the elevations of the
parking garage it's not the entire
parking garage that we really need what
we really want is the The North Face of
it and then the West face of it so the
South face and the East face we really
doesn't bother us at all it's just those
two those two sides um another one
is um light emanating from the roof
obviously that we talked about uh
obviously we'd like to see darker colors
um we especially on the roof as far as
the facade goes you know we're here to
to listen and if that has to be the same
color as the rest of the building then
we're supportive of that it's just these
roof colors are extremely important to
us in order to have a successful project
at mcdal Mountain Village um we talked
about just talked about the the vertical
fins um
the colors we talked about on the roof
the enclosure on the roof that we we
mentioned we had a a a some research on
what we've used on some roofs as far as
the TPO goes you can only choose a
certain uh darkness of a color for TPO
in order to get it it warrantied so we
were talking about potentially putting
some Mexican River stones on top of that
and providing that which would give it a
texture uh if that is uh something that
visually is much better from our up
upper floors that are looking down on
that roof it also reduces glare on that
TPO so that's another one that we're in
uh discussions with um really tying down
the Landscaping which we know is going
to be
fantastic we talked about the entrance
of the garage they've gone gotten back
to us and moved the garage entrance a
little bit forward obviously we would
like to have no entrances on that west
side but we appreciate them bringing in
a little bit closer to the
street they've also brought the building
down we requested their building was
actually up another s ft they've brought
it down now so it's instead of feeling
like a six story story garage it's back
to a normal fivestory garage for
us that's pretty much it so I think
there are things that we can if a little
bit more time that we can come to
agreement on um we've had great
conversations again we want to have
trust and we we do trust you guys we
want to we want to but we need to come
here and let everybody know that we're
not quite there on some of these in some
of these issues again we want them to
get a shovel in the ground as fast as
possible we do not want to delay their
Construction in any way so if there is
any way for us to I don't know how you
guys would do it whether it's a
stipulation on these particular items or
however you guys can handle that we
would like the opportunity to work with
them for a little bit longer on these
things not slowing the project down and
come back and uh explain to everybody
how happy we are with with the result so
thank you very much
okay and that
was he's so this is the one
that's
Mark okay thank
you okay so that's it
I believe that's it as far as cards to
discuss would uh Optima like to come up
and say a few words at this
point uh councilwoman Littlefield if we
could give the applicant another
opportunity to respond to those comments
yes that's what I'm asking for okay
great hi can you pull up the ASM slide
please
there you go
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um Madam chair members of the board
thank you so much for our opportunity to
respond to Mr hov's um comments uh
indeed we've had multiple engagements
with uh Optima just a brief overview we
had phone calls we had in-person
meetings virtual meetings extensive
amount of email going back and forth um
some uh and also a live document that at
some point was even shared with you um
we've um spit through all the 17 Det
detailed requests with multiple
iterations and made some effort to some
concerted effort to provide with
accommodations but um in our opinion
these
accommodations um should satisfy but um
uh apparently they're still unresolved
so in our knowledge we've made um a
pretty pretty generous offer with how we
would like to see some of these issues
addressed um as as you can see here
we've agreed to lower the height of our
site this cost us
$182,000 we changed our landscape plans
out with uh adding on 12 mature trees to
make sure that it's Pleasant from uh the
Optima site uh we provided additional
renderings um the requests that we got
over the last couple of weeks were quite
um big with the amount of documents
requested from us but we provided uh
renderings to show them uh and Mr hovi
showed
those for their request we moved our
parking structure exit further south
just to reiterate the entrance is not on
that side it's just the exit um we
changed the choice in solar panels from
uh to for it to be Opa that's what they
requested of us and the type of solar
panel that we've chose is even um
allowed near airports just to give you
an idea of how uh anti-reflective they
are and the type of quality of solar
panels that we wanting to install as
explained on top of our parking
structure there is a whole canopy that
is has a solid um roof of solar panels
and with a 10% tilt to get the most of
minus sunlight during the day to get
good renewable energy that's where the
light comes out a little bit we don't
have any upward light it's just the
light from the top roof going down um
we've adjusted colors I can give you a
list of the uh the amount of colors that
we've adjusted per their input um the
screening and our roof is the darkest
color that we are allowed to paint our
uh roof and mechanical structures on top
of the roof that we are allowed to
to um we've added like a normal parking
structure just has the horizontal lines
but we added vertical vins screening a
42 knee wall to mitigate sound and light
this is a price stack of approximately 3
million we removed our outdoor amenities
per their request and adjusted our light
plan this all cost about $3.4
million and we've spent a lot of time
and resources to meet their needs we are
still um having conversations about what
Mr hovi uh discussed earlier um we got
their offer on um Tuesday so we we have
to kind of um look at that with
attorneys etc etc but with that said
um I think we made ample
accommodations um to make our neighbor
happy and let me put it really really
clear we want optimiz to be successful
we really do but we also want to be
successful ourselves and these are the
offers and the agreements and the
conations that we have communicated time
and time again um that we are able to to
do within our success within our
timeline and our budget so um I'm here
with Jeffrey M from Gensler and maybe he
has some additions to to give maybe with
visuals to just kind of talk through
some of the items that I just brought
forth
thank you councilwoman Littlefield and
drb CH chair members um I'd like to um
review a couple slides that we have
I think the um just the presentation of
the night shots oh okay and that section
the cross
section so I just wanted to share um and
and by the way um I I want to um thank
Mr hovi and optim they have been very
gracious uh in in their time and
coordination and I think on asm's behalf
on our behalf it has been a very civil
dialogue between all parties uh ASM
realizes uh that they are neighbors and
vice versa and that their intent is to
um be the best of Partners um throughout
all this um with that said we'd like to
this is just a little bit uh maybe
clearer resolution of the solar panels
so I took some notes um as Mr hovi was
was speaking and the um one of the
biggest concerns as was expressed was
the lighting uh next door and kind of
from the the towers uh we ASM has taken
Great Lengths to cover the whole top of
the parking structure with solar panels
uh there is obviously going to be a
little bit of bleed uh ASM as you've
heard in the earlier presentation is
shooting for lead gold part of that is
maximizing the lead solar panels at a
10° tilt so that small angle might bleed
out a little bit of light um and so that
is is the concern we don't see it as a
concern we can see this as a large
concession uh with uh working together
with Optima and covering that
furthermore we have a knee wall around
the whole Perimeter at each level so the
headlights and the cars won't be shining
out and aside from moving the uh exit of
the garage further south as mentioned we
also offer to put a knee wall up there
as well so any cars that might be
exiting out of the building at night
will be blocked the other thing that um
ASM uh and in our discussions uh this is
not a 247 round the-clock facility in
operation um I think it's important to
note that this is a more traditional uh
8 to5 um operation there will be uh the
Rogue worker who is very dedicated and
doing some microchip um design late at
night but by and large uh this will be a
quiet place in the evening and I think
be very respectful for the The Neighbors
on the next
slide uh is a view uh again out so you
can see that the knee wall you aren't
going to see the lights um the other
thing that we've talked about is if it's
agreeable uh ASM would be agreeable to
like a stipulation if it's more assuring
to uh Optima that we would design those
lights in the parking garage to the
lowest level so just all we need is just
like Life Safety to be able to you know
exit in and out safely we're not looking
to broadcast the large lights for that
so um and that's that's agreeable to
ASM and this is just a couple other
views and the last item I want to and
this item on the right you can see a
little bit better here they're depending
on where you're at and which unit you
might be looking at it's a little bit of
the bleed out but you can see that is
really really shaded and the other thing
I'd like to point out is that uh as an
industrial this is zoned industrial and
it could have had any number of uses and
it could have open parking surface
parking with uh 30 foot sight light
poles and so in in a way this this is a
uh a nice solution um the other thing I
would like to point out is a walk do we
have yeah this section here so we do
have uh 128 ft of distance separating
the parking garage from the proposed
buildout uh of the neighboring site um
so with that I just wanted to share the
context of the cooperation that we've
had in the Civil dialogue back and forth
and um it is important to ASM and their
schedule uh to move this forward and I'm
confident that the the coordination will
still be ongoing Beyond this hearing but
what's before you is a wonderful design
that's in full compliance with the code
and ordinance and that's what I'd like
we'd like to leave you
with thank you very
much
um I believe we
have had the the speakers was there
anyone else who had a card out here that
I've missed that wanted to
speak okay and we can assume that I'm
right we'll move on okay um for board
members do you have comments or
questions that you would like to present
at this time i' would like to ask yes
thank you councilwoman Mr Scarboro thank
you very much uh this is for staff uh
just out of curiosity this idea that
there's agreeable uh there may the
applicant may be agreeable to the lowest
light levels for the garage can you tell
me what Kelvin that is and and what that
low level would look like compared to
the renderings that we're
seeing councilwoman Littlefield
commissioner scar brell typically staff
is stating to a 3,000 Kelvin temperature
I'm not sure if the applicant's thinking
of a lower temperature than that maybe
they can speak to
that maybe you just go up
there ASM is uh amendable to a lower
light level so foot candle level oh
candle foot level so still maintaining
the 3,000 Kelvin okay but a lower foot
candle okay H and what's the lowest that
we can go there Brad what would a
stipulation look like if if the board
were to entertain that I don't know what
the specifics ones say for this one
typically it's like a maximum of eight
or 10 with an average across the site of
one and a half or one um there's really
no minimum U it's really just what's
comfortable for the site and usability
from pedestrians and vehicular access um
into the site but um I'm not sure what
the ASM folks are looking at for that
lower level of the light um but they're
just they're saying that they can go
lower with it I don't know what that is
there's no bottom threshold for uh
pedestrian safety or uh there has to
factor there has to be a minimum light
level can you can you identify what that
is yes councilman uh Littlefield uh and
uh Vice chair brand uh the lowest light
level we believe is uh code minimum
which I think is one foot candle
and are the uh perspectives already
representative of that the perspectives
are not represented of one foot candle
um they are represented of General
parking
lighting for the late person what what's
the foot candle for that oh for the late
person um I do not have the exact number
so somewhere probably between five and
eight foot candles
okay uh do have more questions uh but I
I will wait to let other board members
speak first
okay
Ali thank you councilman I just have a
couple question I want to start with a
zoning question actually for industrial
and question to staff I think when this
came in with the three pieces was it
this like more considered at one point
of time like one mixus
project or has it always been like just
industrial pieces and you have the
commercial multif family because it is a
PCD now right planed commercial
District councilman board member um when
it was originally rezoned in 2002 it was
more of a blanket PCD and then in 2018
and subsequently with the adoption of
the ordinance that I think was in 20123
was more specific to Industrial Park but
I mean the optimum piece to the westle
what does Zoning for the Optima uh
project to the West Side Optima did go
through a
rezoning um you know what it was
originally it the it went through a
rezoning to go to PCP Optima de okay so
this one show PCD and banner is
industrial i1 as well Banner to the east
Banner is C2 PCD so commercial okay so
C2 PCD to the East and then we have have
a I mean obviously optimal different
zoning to the West Side so as far as
from our side as a city as a staff we
never look into it as one project you
know and how these three parcel coming
together when they went through the
because I remember seeing a master
plan um with all of these site together
obviously before ASM but I've seen the
multif family I've seen the potential
Hospital there wasn't this there is a
master site plan that came in through
one of the application I may be losing
it too but uh
Council Littlefield board member for key
well we're going to have the person who
actually happens to be in the audience
here who worked on that so awesome I so
he's
stuck uh Council woman Littlefield uh
commissioner Scarboro board members Greg
Bloomberg um I'm the lead planner for
the banner project and for
Crossroads uh the plan you probably saw
was primarily for the hospital H the
banner site uh which someday may include
a hospital there was some talk of some
residential on that property that's no
longer going to be the case they just
got approval for a medical office
building so that's that's going forward
but this particular site has always been
at least since Dorito zoned it has
always been i1 and it was always
intended to be
industrial okay fair enough and this is
where I'm getting to I mean obviously
Optima local developer
or developers have done a lot of project
here in the valley they've done a lot of
great project and I could see the
dilemma I mean especially with high-end
residential that they do looking into
the garage and I could see why you guys
spend a lot of time in coordination
which obviously spend a lot of effort
too so when I look into
this again the zoning next to each other
there is a conflict right I mean it
seemed like Optima was aware of it you
guys come in you're trying to do
something based on the zoning you have
have I see your point as well but couple
of couple of compromise I would like to
look into first I would like to go back
to the comment about $3 million expenses
that you spent on the
screening and I I would like if you
don't mind elaborating a little bit
because when I look at this I do see
some articul Artic architecture element
going on on the wbsite but I don't see
how this help in the screening of the
light or the maneuvering into the garage
structure so can you a little bit elabor
at how the $3 million cost I mean hous
this cost you $3
million well we started out with just a
regular parking structure and because we
really wanted to have something pleasing
to the side where we knew people were
going to live we we decided for a way
more expensive design with the vertical
fins and some of the screening and and
the knoot wall so that's that's that's
where that number comes from fair enough
but I I don't think this is an optimal
thing because I'm pretty positive you'll
have to do something for this garage
based on 101 and the location of this
project I mean it's not going to be like
a concrete garage structure from the
visibility on the structure so you have
to dress it up but my point to going
back to the $3 million you spent when I
look at your West facade here I'm
looking at vertical element that don't
play a role in screening for are
maneuvering is this correct I'm not able
to answer that question let me give a
designer sure the uh parking structure
spangel panels um screen the lights the
vertical screening elements do a couple
of different things um we do have flat
metal panels along the entire perimeter
they don't cover the entire garage but
they do cover a good portion of it
roughly 50% and then the vertical
elements help protect and screen a lot
of the garage from extreme angles so
when you're looking at the building
directly from the side you see through
them but from angles from the street
angles from the north of the site um
especially along the highway they block
more of the view of the garage
understood but is a vertical element
what added more to the cost on the West
Side they do um because we did densify
the number of elements so this this what
I'm trying to get to because I like your
project overall you guys done Amazing
Project and I love what Optima develop
as well in SCS so as looking at here you
guys have a good project obviously we we
were part of the Optima approval so
we're playing this role on figuring out
what the best help we could do now at
the stage that you guys spend a lot of
time obviously already coordinating
without affecting your project so when I
look at those vertical element on the
west side I don't know if there is a
different design on this facade and I
could be some discussion I will leave it
to the Architects here on the board
where maybe reduce those vertical
element create more screening
perspective uh I know one of the
architect here on board working several
garage uh garage structure if there is
could be that could be done uh to screen
the lighting because I could see this an
issue because in our ordinance right
now I never had this situation on a
garage structure right we see it on the
common uh parking come in you do your
three and a half ft screening you're
screening all your uh light from the
vehicle and this one is a little bit
different so I could see a concern of
light exposure coming into to the west
side so I will suggest maybe discussion
on this West facade what could be done
maybe reduce the cost of those vertical
element incorporate some different maybe
architecture without holding your
project maybe there's couple of
component of this project can come back
maybe the garage structure could be part
of it or the West Side could be part of
it uh but I will leave it up to the
board on the discussion the other
question I have going back to the
lighting
and I appreciate you mentioning your
operation from 8 to 5 I'm assuming after
8:00 there is no one in this garage or
after 700 p.m. or after 8: do you think
8:00 p.m. is the max it be it will be
deserted but not completely is there
will be maybe a lone wolf who works late
okay but we you know currently at our
facility in Phoenix um at night our
facility is empty and the parking lot is
empty which which makes sense I mean
obviously you know on your operation so
my question to you especially that
incorporating a lot of sustainability
was there any consideration for smart
lighting start with structure where
after hours go out and sensor it only
turn on if there is like movement where
this could address some of the lighting
concern because traffic I mean lighting
safety if you have maneuvering going on
if there is no one enters the garage you
don't need to have the light on so I
don't know if after sometime maybe after
7 after 8 the light get to be on sensors
yeah we actually discussed that with uh
with our friends with Optima and I think
they preferred not to have sensors
because then whoever lives on the other
side see something up going on and off
we really do believe that with the
applications put in place that we paid a
heavy dollar for that we have reduced
the amount of light coming from the
parking structure to Great extent
um it it that is within our budget they
put it put it that way yeah I understand
I'm again the sensor piece if it's after
8 hopefully no one will be there after 8
but in case it happened it will happen
not regularly right and this could save
you energy as well you don't have those
lights on all the time so something to
consider uh again I'm I'm
Distributing ideas uh to discuss here
another item um going back into um the
suggestion of the color of the roof now
my understanding you have panel and I'm
assuming you're doing this because of
green code yes as well but you have
panel along the whole garage structure
correct so the light I think optim
mentioned something about the roof color
so I don't know if the roof will be so
what exposed it will be more the panel
but with the color on of the panels we
have agreed that they um I hope I say it
right but I think from the parking
structure the panels from the side we AG
agreed that before we put it on that we
invite them in so they're involved with
our final pick and have a say in that
okay and that's what we've done across
the board there are the colors for the
roof were lighter so we made them darker
to a to accommodate them to the point
that we can't otherwise we don't meet
city city standards so with the colors
we've been pretty accommodating and
willing it there's I mean whatever it
works for them yeah okay um another item
I have question I understand your uh
elevation is limited to 52 ft obviously
in your garage structure and is
screening any like let's say you have
some type of metal screening or um
artistic metal screening going on above
the 52 will be this considered part of
the 52 or those articulation could be
add to the 52 ft I don't know if Steph
could answer this
or technical for me
uh drb member faki this uh the screening
material that you see there is at 52
feet so there's no portion of built
structure above that except for
mechanical equipment on the two other
structures yeah but my question is what
you show here is part of your structure
though your building is at 52 ft and the
screening go along with it so we've seen
it where it's not kind of like parit but
more architectural screening similar to
what we do for some maintenance you know
like equipment or whatnot does the code
allow an additional screening okay
what's what the height that could be
allowed councilwoman board members so
the building height is limited to 52
feet and then screening on top of that
is limited to 100 fet with only 50%
coverage of the roof okay so you're
saying on top of the 52 right now it
could be have additional screening on
the west side so they could go above the
52 with mechanical screening and
mechanical units
um but the limit of that that type of
equipment would be 100 ft and then
there's a limit of coverage of the roof
once you go above the 52 but do you
consider you know like can we have
discussed screening on the west side
from the West facade just for those
solar panel let's say you know there is
a line sight that could happen I mean
you have additional two story I think
Optima on this building was 90 ft I
don't recall was it like 90 ft on this
side So based on your line side you
could be talking maybe about 7 to 8 ft
total metal screening to literally hide
all of these uh uh solar panel yeah
councilwoman and um board members if I
may so uh to try to answer your question
more directly we've designed this
building so that the very topmost parit
edge of this is no more than 52 ft
understood so we don't have to to uh
consider the the screening and to add to
uh the cost question earlier uh before
we did not have so we just had the solar
panels at the angle up here at this top
level in working with Optima ASM agreed
to include an like opaque panel that
runs all the way across the top so that
the solar panels from the side view
would be further screened and that's
contributing to this cost that's was
presented earlier yeah so what I was
trying to get to and again excuse me you
know like it's tough for me to
articulate architecture discussion but
I'm going to try so what I'm trying to
get to is on the west facade this is the
main concern you have on visibility or
the light pollution or even the sonar
panel that Optima brought up right so if
we end up figuring out a way
where increase the screening on the West
Side based on a line sight from the 90
ft to what you have 52 which I think you
know like is going to be short screening
that this will be create a visual maybe
barrier for the solar
panel the only problem is you're
increasing the height of the building
then so yeah but this is why I as though
if if this get to be additional
articulation not part of the
same I'd be going to bet that Optima
wouldn't want to raise the the Western
facade height up up plus 8 to 10 ft so
that ver the vertical wall of that
West wall could be yes but it'll be
impeding the view of the mcdal mountains
by another 10 ft but I bring it up part
of the discussion if Optima is okay with
it and if the applicant okay with it and
if the city is okay with it this could
be a compromise that could work okay no
thank you for the comment we would
rather just
have panels underneath the solar panels
so no light gets through the through the
solar panels instead of going higher
with a parit we would rather just have a
small press formed metal panels so that
light can't emanate through the solar
panels than adding height your concern
is mainly the light not the panel by
itself mainly the light that coming in
the same discussion we have on the
circulation inside yeah the the
elevation of the West side and the
elevation of the of the north side we
prefer to have zero car headlights tail
lights any light coming from those
elevations and then from the roof this
can be addressed by just having metal
panels underneath the solar panels such
that when you're on the north side of
our building and you're looking back to
the southeast you're not looking within
that 10% Gap with light fixtures and and
light and headlights and and tail lights
again I gave you a disclaimer early on
you know I tried it I'm not the one to
solve it but I like I really like the
project I think you guys done amazing
work in architecture I love the common
area I love the screening this is a
really good project I do see a concern
on the west side again if I put myself
into if I'm you could be on the west
side as a multif family developer or
conduit developer and this could be
create an issue even the zoning in place
I would recommend to find maybe maybe
get the project approve and have this
piece for another round of communication
between you and Optima especially if
they're offering to pay for extra cost
or differentiate cost and maybe you guys
come back just discuss on the lighting
piece and maybe it's a SW faite piece
but those are my two cents but overall I
really like the project I think you guys
done a great job on it before we move on
uh on the
metal
um layer that they requested we have
communicated that that would make it
heavier for us and it will it will
affect the way we have our plans now to
construct something extra heavy we think
with what you see here with the bleedout
that comes from underneath there's no
lights coming out this is in our opinion
what City Light also look like um
willing to and I think we've shown that
that we are so willing to accommodate
their
concerns um in my opinion and I think I
speak for our supervisor here at Asm
the today we come before you with the
plans that we have
submitted if the conversations between
two private parties Optima and ASM about
coming to an agreement about the parking
structure going lower and whatever that
is going to look like in our opinion
that is between ASM and Optima that's a
private contract and we have been
engaging about that um of of course I
mean that's that's ongoing but today we
come before you with what you see and we
think that we have made a lot of
accommodations that came out of our
pocket to make sure that our neighbor is
happy I think we've been
reasonable and uh We've listened and um
yeah I'm sure there's more questions but
I wanted to reiterate that and I I
appreciate could you finish up please
sure I appreciate you stating this the
point for me the point is if I have a
residential use on the west side I will
be bringing up the concern about the
lighting and the screening of the
lighting so outside of what Optima
requesting and now when Optima
requesting from you other architecture
element whatnot I may not ask for this I
mean probably you guys done a lot back
and forth but the the headlight lighting
I do see this as a concern hitting
another District uh when it come to
zoning so the headlights you said
correct from the the cars you know all
the maneuvering but that's minimal okay
all right thank you for your goad thank
you uh appreciate it um Mr Mason are you
still with us online and do you have any
comments chair little Phi he he is not
online okay thank you thank you um
anyone else wish to ask questions or
have comments to make I do yes why am I
not surprised yeah yeah I know thank you
real quick even even even addressing
because I've had enough conversations
with both both parties on this
addressing Mr fakis as well so we didn't
have a chance to address some of them
the the spandrel and and to the
applicant the spandrel panel on this
project from what I understand has been
adjusted to a guard rail height I would
also say that if that's put into your
improvement category we would not be
approving a garage that had exposed
headlights in Scottdale so that would
not have been able to get through the
drb you can't have
a a beam a structural beam and cable
rail in Scottdale that would not happen
so regardless your Baseline of how you
would be looking at a garage design for
this type of project is your standard
42-in guard rail pre-cast probably an
accented um 3/4 reveal and a nice garage
plus auxiliary screening elements so
that's the Baseline of Scottdale so in
some ways to to say that you've done
those things as an Improvement to
optimate those things there's a lot of
that that likely would have come up from
a drb standpoint that we would have
asked you to accent and hide and
embellish the garage in scasa that's
just if you drive around and see the
cavison garage these are really good
examples of large scale garages at the
city consistently ask for embellishment
on um we're talking about I actually do
think that the um the commitment to the
lowest um fot can level is a great way
to resolve this because I really just
feel like there's no way to completely
screen light coming out of the garages
you've you've admitted there won't be
direct headlights coming in there may be
movement headlights from oblique views
of this but I really do think the the
biggest problem and I see this actually
in Tempe because the the minimum fot
candle levels in Tempe for garages are
way greater and the glow that comes out
of garages in tempy is is three to four
times what it is in Scottdale but if you
if you leave your your foot candle level
and you're adding additional lights so
that you don't have larger spots and
you're committing to a lower maximum
foot candle level and I think that's
what you want to do the average is one
thing but the lowering your maximum and
if you have a stipulation or or we say
the effort to lower the maximum um and
which means that you're probably adding
a few light fixtures but that makes to
me as someone who's done this that makes
a huge difference in the glow of a
garage and furthermore the reason why
they wouldn't want the the timed lights
is that anybody driving through their
late you get flickering lights on and
off and then you get like all these
lights coming on and then going off and
it's actually more disruptive it seems
like for people adjacent residents than
than just a lower foot C Level so I'd be
in support of that my biggest question
on this project um aside from just you
know overall wanting all neighbors to be
happy I hope that this group can
negotiate a below grade option which is
totally up to you guys because if
there's any way to handle this it's just
by putting as much blow grade as
possible it's unfortunate that there's a
rise in grade between your two
properties too it looks like there's a
foot and a half to 2 feet of Rise which
is just further exacerbating the issue
but I do want to point out too that if
if any other piece of this building was
up against this elevation you'd be
looking at mechanical units that are on
top of this roof that are buzzing and
humming and creating noise for for
residences that are adjacent and you do
have a function that's not not doing
that right now so that's I think there
are some positives to that too my big
concern well let me the last thing on
the garage was I didn't know in L in lie
of some of the screening material if you
had ever explored solid metal panels cuz
or I'm sorry solid um pre-cast panels so
that you actually have maybe some of
your Shear walls are relocated to the
West facade because the only way to
really get rid of light is to fully
cover this up I'm assuming that your
openness calculations you've got enough
here that you're not really worried
about that that way that's a you know
adding a full height Shear wall is
something that you could displays from
one side of the other it wouldn't be a
huge cost impact but you do have cost
impacts of adding concrete so I didn't
know from the design team if you guys
had explored that or that had been a
part of the
conversation councilwoman Littlefield uh
Vice chair brand we have explored that
um we were trying to maintain natural
ventilation throughout so that we
wouldn't need additional mechanical
equipment to help exhaust the the
parking
garage right I think that you should
have enough I mean this is a big garage
I know that you're open the openness
classification we would not want you to
compromise your garage openness we don't
want auxiliary mechanical you don't want
to have to ventilate this thing
artificially but it seems like you could
have
intermittent solidness as an infill I
know that we've done that on a couple
Pro it you just have to work on your
percentages and that may be something
that again it may be something that
mitigates light and it's a fairly low
cost instead of adding on a lot of metal
and applications to the outside of the
building so wouldn't be bad to explore
that a lot of times it's not encouraged
because um aesthetically it's not as
pleasing as an element that's creating
shade and Shadow but correct me if I'm
wrong the light infiltration is a much
bigger issue probably to the neighbor
than the aesthetic appearance of
something that may create metal fins
that may create shade and Shadow it
seems like the light is a much more
perent issue um my other question is to
look at the freeway elevation so this is
what I had spoken to the applicant
before I was questioning the I think the
design intent um is very elegant and
very um I appreciate the
presentation when we look at large
building facades in Scottdale this is
especially long building facades these
are really important facades to consider
in the city because we don't have very
many of these properties that are this
long and we don't have buildings that
are 650 ft long so my conversation with
the applicant was I I really like the
way that this facade was broken up but I
I was worried that some of the glazing
material um in the recesses was not was
reading too in line with the rest of the
body the building was there any any
development or any opinions that you had
on that on those recesses to possibly
change the texture opacity something in
the glazing material so that it actually
feels like a a TR of a Break um in the
building yes Mr uh Mr Vice chair um we
um yeah we took that um suggestion uh to
heart as we kind of you know looked at
uh how to kind of rework that a bit um
what you're seeing here is that you know
we're proposing changing the glass type
and changing the texture of that glass
you notice so that we would get more of
a pattern on that so with our elevation
that you're seeing there we tried to
kind of render that so it would look
different and kind of uh you know I
think Follow That kind of suggestion I
think that we had heard on that so this
is kind of representing um a different
glass type that would happen there the
other thing we did is we removed the
kind of external um cap milons on the
glazing so we were showing here kind of
an SSG glass system so that you know the
texture would change and go smooth and
then we would change the color and
texture of the glass and that was kind
of uh the intent on that okay so you're
removing the moleon the extended mum
appliation and itself correct and I hope
it comes across looking a little
smoother there yeah it does I think I
think the transparency reflectivity and
if there's a frit pattern that can be
put on that that goes a long way okay
great um both from a light being emitted
from that so it breaks up in the evening
when you're getting light pouring out of
the building as well as when you're
going across this traveling traveling 60
M hour the reflectivity and how the
mountains on the background are being
cast on this I think a break in that
will will essentially translate to a
break in the building so um that I just
want I'll make sure that I'll I'm going
to stipulate an any proposal for this to
to be working with staff on the very
specifically on the glazing uh glazing
reflectivity transparency and and um and
possibly a frit pattern to be put on
here thank you um is there is there also
I had one other questions with with
regard to the tone of the color on the
roof screening um right now which
material are you using for the roof
screening color the the mechanical
equipment Up on the Rooftop yeah the the
mechanical equipment um is kind of our
second to darkest desert color that we
had on our um colored board I think is
kind of floating around there Mr Vice
chair that you can look at um it was one
of the suggestions uh you know certainly
from the from the op team to you know
look at um you know slightly kind of
darkening up some of those elements that
were on top of the building and so it's
kind of the second to last one you're
seeing there oh so it's MP5
yeah
yeah yeah uh the ne uh the next one to
the right and up yes sir right there yep
correct okay so it does not render that
way just by the way in your renderings
it looks white yeah the sun is yeah yes
Mr Vice chair this at yeah this ACM
finish seems darker than a silver and it
looks more like kind of a muddy zinc
which is what I would have proposed so
anyway I just think from the how this is
being represented it appears it appears
like you're using the white ear white
litis green so anyway that's good to
that's good to see I think from
a from a sorry this back here that
satisfies I I think what my question was
going to be about making sure that was a
little bit more neutral I think
something contrasty and dark would be
not good because I think it would call
attention to the screening but I think
something that's essentially Hue neutral
um is the right solution so I appreciate
it that's that's last of my comments
sorry um I I also agree with lowering
the foot candles to the minimum that you
could have the other thing um that I
looked up a a project from a
jurisdiction where I came from and in a
similar situation where a neighborhood
was next door they closed certain floors
of garages after 8:00 at night if it
meant employees had to move their cars
that was just something that they had to
do so that was one of one of the options
and I agree that lowering it um below
ground if at all possible would be the
best way to go and those those are my
two main comments thank you very much
and Mr paser do you have anything
anything to
add well I think that the um
conversations that have been going on
between Optima and ASM
are unusual we don't usually see very
cordial uh uh conversations like this
going on with a project that's already
existing to a Project's coming in um I
think there's more infighting that goes
on and your willingness to work with
them and I assume their willingness to
work with you I I read over the project
uh data that Mr hovi was going over and
I see a lot of
unresolved um not much I doubt if you
ever came to terms with some of this
would ever Force this to come back to us
I'm guessing if the garage drops three
floors into the ground that would be a
resubmittal before this board um since
it'd be a major change also uh for
putting so many floors below grade and
they talked about the um ventilation
there'd be an extensive ventilation that
would have to be installed in this
garage uh I like the idea that if uh you
know the top two or three floors could
be closed off at night for employees who
are working and they'd be required to
park down below and then turn the lights
off I'm not sure when I see the uh
picture of the roof and the lighting
that's coming up between the solar
panels I don't I really this building
from Optima as I recall ear earlier was
like 125 ft from your building and the
lighting that we're talking about is
that the lighting that's coming up
between the panels is that what we and
that's cons you're going to add another
bit of distance there I I doubt that
that lighting is going to intrude on
anybody but um I've worked in lighting
most of my life and and I can tell you
that it's it sometimes it gets a bad WP
but but uh um the the fact that the
garage is being built and of course in
Scottdale with the with the foot walls
were they're they're designed that way
particularly to protect headlights from
leaving the property um we even do that
in in ground we put the walls up in the
shopping centers so that cars driving
through the shopping center if we're not
mounting it with natural uh material we
build walls so that car lighting doesn't
go off property so uh I agree with my uh
fellow board members this is a really
nice project um I would fully support it
and um I like
it thank you very much and I just have a
few comments I'd like to make um at this
time um I'm impressed with all of the
work that you have done and the hobes
have done uh with Optima and with this
project to come to a conclusion and
agreeable solutions to the problems that
you you both face on this
I think it's an amazing accomplishment
that you have come this far and you've
done what you've done I think the
project is excellent I really really
like it um you have done a tremendous
job of trying to work within a desert
area and atmosphere and land and um I
think you've done a good job doing
it
uh it still is of course a very dense
project um and I'm hopeful that uh some
of the problems that we've been
discussing here today can be alleviated
and worked on and come to some mutually
satisfactory uh conclusions for
everyone as you all
know uh water right now in Scottsdale is
a major concern for everybody who lives
here I think that we all need to
continue working on uh water and how
we're going to be using it and how our
water department can use uh the Recycled
water I have been very impressed with
the work that you guys have been putting
yourselves to in order to make sure that
all of the water that you use is
cleansed and recycled to the utmost
possible amount and I appreciate that
having lived here all my life and living
in a desert water has always been
crucial and it's more crucial right now
in this drought that I think will
continue for a while um
I think um finally there is uh no
residential plans on this project this
is all business and that is a good thing
in a way and it also creates some
problems for transportation coming to
and from the project for uh the all of
the uh employees that you plan on having
working for you um
again your garage is going to be be
extremely necessary over the course of
that time and um I think that um with
1200
employees uh you've kept it very
moderate and you've kept it very highly
useful so I appreciate that it will
create more traffic on the roads for
Scottdale I had a small idea that I
might present to city and that is we
have trolleys that aren't always in work
and we have a huge empty parking lot
right across the street on Thunderbird
and Scottdale Road maybe we could put
all of those together and have some of
your employees go to work on the
trolleys and um seems like we have all
of the needed Necessities there and it
might reduce the amount of
transportation and cars on the on the
loop maybe not by much but any 100 or
two or three a day would uh make a
difference um also you know water is a
top priority you have done a tremendous
job on that and I asked you um to work
very closely with our water department
which is extremely good um and you have
done that and I think you have U pretty
much ensured the best policies and
procedures to follow to keep our water
supply uh recycled and refreshed and uh
available so I am very pleased pleased
with that I understand the problems that
uh Optima has been talking about the
lighting and stuff for their development
I think you are working in the right
direction on that and I urge you to uh
continue to to find solutions to those
issues and with that um I would like to
ask for a motion from the board on this
project councilman if I may have one
last question sorry you may have one
last question make it short I'll try my
best okay first I'd like to thank Vice
chair bran for enlightening me to muddy
zinc my my understanding of the color
spectrum is very limited so thank you
for that uh Mr Carr uh in in terms of
what the board member um gosh I'm
starting to remember names here uh pzer
sorry sorry member P apologize for that
uh but he made a comment that if this
garage is lower two levels from five to
three based on private discussions
between these parties would that require
it going back to the
drb councilwoman Littlefield
commissioner Scaro typically that's
something we would process at a staff
level um is provided the building design
above grade doesn't change a whole lot
we would typically just say you know
it's lowering the heights all the
impacts are generally lower as a result
and process that at administrative level
um the board could choose to do that at
their level but um we typically do that
at a staff level no I appreciate that
and um I I was thinking the same thing
as long as the the Aesthetics of the
parking structure are consistent whether
the height was five four or three levels
seems like that would be a a staff level
process uh again I want to appreciate
both Optima and ASM uh thank you for
working together I I think you can
understand compromise means nobody wins
100% And so when you work together and
you come to those Solutions we really
hope you can uh I I am supportive of of
the uh maximum uh foot candle in the
garage structure as well as uh Vice
chair Brand's uh soon to be stipulation
regarding the north elevations and so
with that I'll I'll probably turn that
over to Mr bran to draft this
approval thank
you Mr bran do you have something to say
to
that just working on my drafting here
um yeah let's is there by the way Mr
Carr or our our attorney present is
there a way to specify or any within any
of the stipulations it'd be great to
make
this if this board can streamline any
any modifications that are made through
a compromise of or or an agreement a
private agreement to streamline any
process that happens is there anything
that would that could be affected by a
stipulation or a comment on this
board to say hey we give the the leeway
to make a modification and you know I I
didn't know if there was any way to do
that uh yes Vice chair brand if the
board is so inclined uh the board could
make a motion to approve with an
additional stipulation essentially that
uh the applicant would continue working
with City staff uh regarding
architectural and lighting elements of
the parking structure with any changes
subject to approval of City staff
consistent with applicable zoning
ordinance requirements design guidelines
and development standards so that would
give staff some flexibility but the also
the ability to approve these things if
there is further agreement between the
parties okay because I think our our
desire would be that if there was
additional private outside conversations
that you had agreed to modifications
that were mutually that we would want
that process to be 100% streamlined
because it's a mutually beneficial
action that's being taken on on both
parties behalf so with that I will make
a will attempt to make
a a move let's see so I will
move move to approve case three- I'm
going to make a motion to approve case
3-D
d224 per the staff recommended
stipulations with the additional
stipulation that staff has the
flexibility to work work with the
applicant on any future architectural
modifications that fall under the
acceptable
zoning
ordinance and character area guidelines
is that correct yes board member brand
it would be applicable zoning ordinance
requirements design guidelines and
development standards zoning ordinance
requirements design guidelines and
design development standard development
standards thank you I've got everybody
saying it in my ear it's great
um with the addition of the applicant uh
continue and and design team continuing
to work with staff to come up with the
correct application of reflectivity
transparency uh for the glazed recess
openings on the Northern
elevation after finding that the
development application meets the
development review board
criteria friendly Amendment did we cover
Lighting in that Mr brand um no I did
not cover in there I think that's the
applicant works with staff to reduce the
hot spots of the of the maximum levels
on the roof to maintain the minimum one
foot candle level but to look at a
lighting application that reduces the
maximum foot candle level on the
rooftop do I have a
second
second thank you is there any other
discussion hearing none may have a roll
call
vote councilwoman Littlefield yes Vice
chair brand yes board member Robinson
yes board member pzer yes board member
faki yes commissioner Scarboro yes
motion passes 60 thank
you thank you very much is there any
other discussion any other
issue before this board
tonight hearing none I'll take a motion
to adjourn so moved second all in favor
I I we are adjourned thank
you
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