Development Review Board - December 12, 2024

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and welcome to the Scottdale development
review board public meeting
the purpose of the development revieww
board is to maintain the quality of
development in Scottdale by reviewing
all of the design aspects of a proposed
development and the relationship of its
design components to the surrounding
environment and Community the board also
reviews all preliminary plots for
subdivisions to assure conformance to
policies and ordinance requirements the
agenda consists of the Roll Call public
comment on non- agendized items
administrative report minutes approval
of the prior meeting and action items a
roll call vote will be taken after each
item's motion the liaison will call each
board members name to indicate their
desired vote for that item after the
vote has been counted the liaison May
read out the final vote citizens wishing
to speak during public comment time or
to speak specifically on any agenda item
may fill out a blue request to speak
card to the staff table before the
agenda item is to be discussed citizens
interested in submitting a written
comment on any item May submit a yellow
written comments card in person to the
staff table prior to the beginning of
public
testimony when called please come to the
podium state your name and address and
begin speaking groups wishing to speak
should elect a spokesperson to represent
the views of the group to facilitate the
meeting your comment will be limited to
three minutes for individual speakers
one additional minute for each
additional individual present at the
meeting who has contributed their time
to a represent ative speaker up to a
total of 10 minutes I will remind our
audience that the board's review relates
to design matters and does not include
consideration of existing zoning
District
designations zoning entitlements or the
allowed uses within the zoning districts
the board's motion may be to approve
approve with modified stipulations deny
the request or continue the case thank
you for your interest in time now we
will begin the meeting with the roll
call councilwoman caputi here Vice chair
brand here commissioner young here board
member paser here board member
faki board member Mason here board
member Robinson here six present thank
you thank you um we will start with
public comment on non- agendized items
and I don't think that we have any so
we'll move on to an administrative
report by Brad
Carr thank you councilman caputi and
thanks for joining us uh this is a
rotation now for yourself and
commissioner young so thank you both for
joining us um a couple items on the
administrative agenda or administrative
items today just wanted to go over we
did receive additional correspondence
regarding item number three um that did
not make it into the staff um report so
that should be on the dice in front of
you there as well as additional
correspondents for item number six um as
and New Perspectives that were presented
by the applicant uh for that for you to
take a look at there those will also be
presented um during the presentation but
just wanted to have you see those on the
on the dis finally um the the agenda
does show uh for pres presenter for item
number eight as Lisa McNeely but we will
have a different staff presenter for
that today Mr Tim Connor with the city
will be presenting on that today um we
are planning to have some additional
items for our first meing in January
January 9th so hopefully we all see you
there I'll be here okay great and that
concludes my administrative report thank
you thank you Brad uh next we will have
approval of the minutes from November
7th 2024 development review board
meeting do I have a
motion so
moved
second roll call
vote councilwoman kaputi yes Vice chair
brand yes commissioner young yes board
member paser yes board member Mason yes
board member Robinson yes motion passes
60 thank you next we're going to move
over to our consent agenda we have three
items and the first item number three
has some public comment um and I think
there's been a request to pull off
consent and move to regular agenda just
so we can hear some public comment and
any questions from our board so I think
that it would make sense to just uh
start with the speaker on item number
three and I believe that's Karen Waters
if you want to come up to the do uh
Podium
please state your name and address
enough for me my name is Karen Waters I
live at 7301 East Third Avenue which is
also called the Third Avenue
Lofts read my little statement I did
want to express my appreciation to the
mayor and the board for your commitment
to the care of the city that I have come
to love and call home I moved here from
the builtmore area because I felt the
desire to get away from a lot of the
large um highrises in so many parts of
Downtown Phoenix and and I really did
fall in love with
Oldtown and um re and moved here about
three years
ago I'm vehemently opposed to the
ninstory hotel proposal in the heart of
Oldtown because I fear it will
drastically affect the charm of the area
which I have come to love so much please
protect the Integrity of the downtown
and do not let this hotel come to pass
thank you thank
you do any members of the board um have
questions as
well board member Brent yeah I would
just because this entire board has not
seen the application it's a fairly
significant building that's being put
into the Oldtown fabric I think it would
warrant being brought to the regular
agenda so that we can see a staff
presentation of the project maybe we can
vote on the consent but we can we're
already on regular oh did we vote for I
don't think we voted for consent yet
though we did minutes Brad do we need to
V uh vote to bring to regular you don't
need a vote to move it to regular
councilwoman but um Vice chair's correct
we did not vote on the remainder of the
consent agenda items yet that is a great
Point yeah uh do you want us to vote on
the remainder of consent first and then
hear this case that'd probably be best
yes let's do that then uh I will motion
to approve consent agenda items four
which is 5dr 2024 and 54d 2024 I'll
second that
roll call
vote councilwoman caputi yes Vice chair
brand yes commissioner young yes board
member paser yes board member Mason yes
board member Robinson yes motion passes
60 thank you and then we'll have a
presentation from staff on uh item
number three 15D 2018 number two
good afternoon councilwoman caputi uh
commissioner young and development
review board members I'm Brian clef with
the city's planning department and I'll
give you a brief overview of the case
this afternoon for Winfield Hotel and
Residences case 15D 2018 number
two uh the specific request afternoon is
for reapprovals plan landscape plan and
building elevations for the development
which includes a nine-story hotel with
230 guest rooms and 24 residential
condos um this was previously approved
back in
2018 uh and that approval has uh since
expired which is why we're back uh with
the applicant asking for another
approval the site that we're looking at
here is uh in the Oldtown area right on
Scottsdale Road and it is between thir
Third Avenue and Fourth Avenue uh
highlighted in yellow
here a closer look at the site uh shows
the frontage on Scottdale Road um and on
the uh east side is Windfield Scott
Plaza uh this is the corner where the uh
se's candy site is located and you can
see how the site kind of wraps around
that currently uh it's a couple Office
Buildings and some surface parking uh
with parking
canopies the site is Zone Downtown
downtown multiple use type two uh it's
also in a plan block development in the
downtown
overlay um some quick background um th
this project has been in the works for a
while uh going back to 2017 uh
originally it did receive city council
approval for a rezoning along with an
abandonment case for the alley area that
goes under the building and a
development agreement for the project
this was received approval April of 2018
uh subsequently it did receive the
development review board approval in
December of 2018 um for uh the same
project that you're looking at today
with some minor uh changes that I'll
touch on later in the presentation uh
the council did extend the abandonment
approval uh in February of 2020 and then
subsequently that abandonment did record
in February of 2022 so the abandonment
has been processed um and then earlier
this year we had the start of the
current
application this is a look at uh the
site plan and Landscape plan for the
proposed development um the frontage on
Scottdale Road on this portion of the
site here uh does include new
hardscaping and Landscaping along the
scota road Street Frontage with a uh
pedestrian walkway that's greater than
10 feet in width um the entrance to the
building there is for a restaurant
that's at the ground floor and then the
lobby space for the hotel is over on
this end of the site all of the parking
for the development is in a below grade
parking structure uh with two access
points that are off of the alley um The
Alley does pass
through underneath the building in this
area so there's through traffic in the
alley and that's where the parking
structures accessed uh overall the
building is just over 154,000 square fet
that includes the
230 hotel rooms and 24 dwelling units uh
originally uh the drb approval was for
256 hotel rooms and 16 dwelling units um
so some of those areas have shifted in
the in the building uh but the design
has not changed the overall height of
the building is 90 ft uh the restaurant
that I mentioned is approximately 5800
Square ft there's also 4,000 ft of
conference space um parking in that uh
below grade structure includes 254
spaces um and the design of that was
approved through a parking master plan
uh with the city council approval on the
zoning case um there are uh new
sidewalks around the development that
are all at least 10 feet in width uh
along with new Landscaping along the
site
frontages here's a look at the proposed
building elevations um on the top here
is the west elevation facing towards SC
Still
Road the on the bottom is the north you
can see uh the 90 foot tall height uh
with some step backs on the the southern
end and then you can also see on this
North elevation how it does step back
from Scottsdale Road Scottdale Road
would be on this side of the
building and then a look at the East
Elevation and South elevations uh the
materials across the building are
majority um Stone cladding uh and metal
panels um there's also some ephus that
is used um on the building uh in smaller
locations and then a couple uh
perspectives of what the proposed
building would look like on the left is
the Scout roadside and on the right is
from the Windfield Scott Plaza
side um so again I'll end the the staff
presentation here with the requested
action for uh
reapprovals
development uh that concludes my
presentation I'm happy to answer any
questions and the applicant team is also
here great are there any questions for
staff or do we want to hear from the
applicant so just to highlight that um
thank you sure um the the changes in the
application is the changing in the
allocation of hotel hotel Keys versus
condominium units otherwise the facade
and material pallet has stayed the same
that's correct uh Vice chair brand um
the only other minor change was a slight
reconfiguration of the trash room that's
at the uh northeast corner of the
building uh and that was more of just an
interior reconfiguration to comply with
our current standards for trash
collection uh but the exterior facade in
that area remain mostly the same as well
and the application is in compliance
with all setback and step back standards
that are part of the entitlement and
development standards for the property
that's correct
okay any other questions or comments
from board
members I'll just make do you want to
make a com are you going to make a
motion no I would I wouldn't mind
hearing a little bit of information
about the proposed material pallet from
the applicant be great does the
applicant want to come up and present on
your material p
pet okay thank you uh councilwoman
caputi and members of the board thank
you I'm Tom Galvin on behalf of the
applicant with rose log group
71144 East tson Drive if I may there's a
few points that I'd like to make Vice
chair bran Council woman caputi and then
our architect Vince Scarano who's
standing behind me can answer your most
specific question I'm first of all we
want to thank staff for that very
thorough presentation and to underline
that this is substantially the same
project that appeared before this board
a few years ago and in fact I believe
that several members of this board were
on that board uh when this was
originally approved uh some of the
things I want to highlight is that as I
said this is the same plan there's only
minor tweaks you heard earlier it's to
comply with the current code also
entitlements are secured and all bonus
rights have been paid for and in fact
the applicant has devoted already more
than $1 million to the project towards a
development agreement um as we all know
Co hit and this really affected uh our
approvals and it caused delays and
actually caused a skyrocketing of costs
in construction and set these delays in
place but the project conforms to all
the stipulations from the original case
which is ZN case and that's from 2018
and all new stipulations as we heard
earlier today staff is in support of the
re approval and now I'd like to
introduce you to Mr Vince Gano to answer
that question and the others you might
have thank you
good afternoon members of the board uh
my name is Vince Scarano I'm the
principal from Bill form architecture
Group 19820 North 7 Street site uh 260
Phoenix
85024 uh we do have a material at pallet
board here so uh Brian if you don't mind
helping me as far as how to access this
here on the
screen I was just gonna if if the board
is okay with this I was just going to
immediately go to the to the palletes
for the sake of Saving
Time okay if we go back to the staff
presentation there we go so as was
mentioned by Brian here uh this is
exactly the same from what was
originally approved so the approach that
we took here is these are desert Hues
completely appropriate to the desert uh
the building itself is clad with a
significant amount of of of authentic
Stone here as you can see in the upper
leftand corner uh there is a fair amount
of glazing on the project because
obviously we want these hotel rooms to
have lots of light so you're going to
see there's several different versions
of that that occur across the uh upper
two parts of this exhibit here uh there
is a bit of concrete that occurs on the
project it's it's mostly in relation to
the banding that occurs that gives some
articulation to the building you'll see
that in the upper right hand corner and
then as far as the ephus goes you'll see
that there are some neutral colors that
occur here that are uh located here at
the bottom of this exhibit
I have a real quick question can you run
through the glazing strategy and the
reflectivity of each of the glazing
typologies that you have outlined here I
think one concern with a building within
the Oldtown context is to make sure that
the reflectivity is within um City
guidelines as well as just limiting
highly reflective services within the
Oldtown area yes and and when we had
originally worked with staff way back in
the day that was an issue so I do know
that as far as the reflectivity goes it
does meet the city of Scottdale
standards here so there was never the
intent here to have reflective surfaces
as far as glazing goes so the two the
major glazing typology that's on the
hotel which is on the above ground above
grade level is the GL2 which is the
solar band The Solar blue solar band is
that correct yes that is correct and and
obviously our intent tier is to cut down
or or to work with uh as much Energy
Efficiency as we can here I would also
add that the the sage as you've got it
shown on the pallet is significantly
better looking than what's represented
in the renderings which is looks like it
it it just has a p green color to it and
it just um doesn't show well but I've
actually worked with the sheridans
that's a good color it's a good muted
desert green tone so this shows better
than yes um that that's a very good
point there uh board member uh brand uh
this is always a challenge we run into
right um I've had countless uh
situations where I get a call from an
Irate developer because they print
something out that I've sent them and
it's like a harsh neon green when in
reality it's probably closer to this
sage color that you see here so can you
talk about the exposed is this a type
one building is this concrete all the
way um yes it's a combination of
concrete and I believe there's steel
that's also in this building are you
exposing the floor edges on the ex on
the exterior perimeter of the building
if you go back to the elevations do you
have like exposed concrete edges that
are overhangs um as much as we would
have liked to have done that it's just
because of how the articulation worked
it's actually going to be an applied
surface oh it's a okay I didn't know if
we could go back to that where is the
where is the natural concrete coming in
out though you were you were saying it
was in horizontal edges that one there
okay keep on
going okay yes so so looking back at
this I I think that there is areas on
this for instance if you look at the
corners of the buildings that would end
up likely being an applied surface but
there are some areas where it well it'll
end up being clad in in the ephas but it
is a representation of the uh of the
floor system that occurs behind it okay
I just I want to make a comment and have
this on record for the the applicant and
for our staff that we recently had a
case that came through here that was a
building that had exposed slabs and
extended slabs were an integral part of
the facade design they were left off
during construction and we had to come
back and reee this case and I I don't
think it's been a
successful construction how that
building's being represented I just want
to make sure that what is shown here and
represented here with as far as the
depth of the articulation of these floor
lines and how they're represented is not
something that can
be you will not be getting an approval
for me if this comes back to us and say
well we we didn't get the floor edges we
didn't this just disappeared from the
project so I just want to get that on
record that the expectation is when this
stuff is shown as exposed that it's
going to be constructed that way so I
want to make sure staff in light of a
recent project that did not do that that
we make sure that we're paying attention
to that when this project comes
through I don't have any other any other
comments that was I was really wanting
to see which which glazing type so I'll
leave that open for the rest of the
board for comment commissioner young
thank you
um I could could we go back to the slide
with the materials on it and I'm just
Cur curious about the stone looks like
the stone is at the lobby entrance on
Scottdale road is that the only location
for
it I'm sorry Bard beo could you repeat
that question the stone you got in the
upper left corner there uh from the
renderings it looks like the only place
on the building that the stone is
located is at the lobby entrance on
Scottdale Road oh there's some more
there yes I wanted I wanted to go back
to the elevation here so you could see a
clearer depiction of it so it actually
there is a fair amount of it on the
building I don't what's the size format
of the
stone um I believe it is a 12 by 24
okay yeah that information isn't in here
but I I do believe it's a 12 okay I've
just seen other projects with
sizable surfaces that they use a real
thin Stone and it just kind of looks
awkward um and you know I'm fine with
this size that that seems to be adequate
for the scale
um where's the Stone from is it locally
sourced uh I believe Sun Valley masery
is local sourced but bearing in mind
that this uh this sample board was put
together quite a few years ago we'd have
to update it so sure obviously our
intent is to match exactly what's on
here but uh it's been a while since I've
uh contacted Sun Valley Ming okay I've
just seen some projects and they bring
in and it's not a natural stone like
like this it's a cultured stone product
and it's white or very light and it
doesn't look natural to the area um
since this is a reproduction of what the
actual stone product is it's a little
bit hard to tell like is it really going
to have those Rich colors do we happen
happen to actually have the sample board
here just a
photograph okay well I assume
everybody's already seen it
so I'll let that one rest approving yeah
all right thank you very
much any other
comments um I just want to make a quick
comment that um what grabbed my mind my
eye here is 15D D28 this project uh is
now seven or eight years old we hear a
lot about pipelines up on our our
Council diets and it's just a this is a
perfect example of a pro a great project
that got stalled for so long um and is
finally moving forward so again to
remind everyone in the room including
the speaker um this is a re-approval
this is not going to come back before
Council or Planning Commission this is
just about design today and um we are
Heights uh are already approved so we're
really just focusing on design and with
that um would anyone like to make a
motion or I'm happy to keep talking I
can I can make a motion um and again I
also want to want to um
acknowledge the public speaker who took
the time to come down here and and stand
in front of the dis to speak um
regarding the project again repeating
what uh council member kabudi said the
your concerns that you mentioned today
are really out of the purview of this
board and it's not something that we can
even deliberate on with regard to the
height that's approved with the
entitlement of the project um having
having uh received adequate answers to
the questions I'm going to make a motion
to approve um agenda item number 3 15-
D-28 per
the hold on let me get my
script in accordance with the staff
recommended
stipulations and any discussion on this
board
second all
second councilwoman caputi yes Vice
chair brand yes yes commissioner young
yes board member paser yes board member
Mis yes board member Robinson yes motion
passes 60 thank you good luck with your
project we will move on to the regular
agenda first item is number six 46d 2022
number two Marshall
living um we'll have a staff
presentation and then we've got a whole
bunch of um comment cards from the
audience
yes thank you
uh councilwoman caputi Vice chair uh
brand and board members uh Greg
Bloomberg principal planner here to give
you an overview of Marshall living 46d
2022 number
two I'm going to skip right past this
site because it's a small location I
want to go straight to this area so this
project is located just south of the
intersection of Marshall way and Fifth
Avenue
uh it actually comprised comprised of
two Parcels which I'll get to in just a
moment originally it was only one parcel
which was basically from here North and
they have since decided to include this
parcel to the South as part of the
project uh lots of single story and some
two-story uh retail restaurants and
commercial in the in the
vicinity so a brief summary and some
background this uh case was originally
approved back in 2022 under 46d 2022 I
mentioned that it was a much more narrow
building it was uh basically about 30
feet wide maybe 40t wide and now they've
uh expanded it to include the parcel to
the South uh there's some changes to the
building design uh but generally the uh
proposed design is consistent with what
was previously
approved uh there is a shade canopy
proposed over the sidewalk and there has
been some public comment on this case as
I'm sure you're
aware so uh on the top of this slide is
the previously approved site plan and
again I'll point out that it was just a
single parcel uh there was originally
parking approved off the
alley uh about 900 square fet of
commercial and four units above that and
then the the uh site plan on the bottom
of this slide indicates the new site
plan is
proposed uh we now have a total of 17
parking
spaces now tandem parking is permitted
provided that the tandem parking spaces
are all for the same unit so for example
9 and 12 would have to be for the same
unit they couldn't just be random
parking spaces for uh other
residents uh there is a loading zone
proposed uh in one of the parking spaces
which is allowed uh subject to
development review board
approval uh covered sidewalks along the
uh street again access to parking is off
the alley uh which is fairly consistent
with several projects in the old town
area it's very difficult to access
parking from the street especially on
these more compact
Parcels uh and then there's the uh The
Refuge room here which will have a a
roll out uh container which has been
reviewed and approved by
sanitation so uh oh and um we're hoping
that this area here uh can be converted
to some angled parking consistent with
the angled parking that's to the south
of of that location because it's kind of
a dead space and I'll show you that in
one of my upcoming
slides so here's the previously approved
elevations on the left as you can see as
proposed the elevations are fairly
similar the biggest difference is the
width of the building uh very similar
materials very Sim similar treatments on
the Zero lot lines uh I did notice that
there is uh a little bit of a reduction
of the clading on the south elevation
with the new design compared to the
previous
design and then one of the biggest
concerns that I've uh seen from the uh
Neighbors in the area is the massing and
the height of the building so I wanted
to make sure you were uh aware of this
so what we've got here is this the
building setback and by the way the
building setback in this area is 14 ft
from back of curb not from property line
so from back of curb they're meeting
their 14t
setback and then there's a step back
requirement that starts at 30 feet in
height which is right here and it's a
one toone requirement going back all the
way to the end of the
building what they're proposing and what
is allowed by ordinance are some
encroachments into that uh step back
specifically uh a balcony area uh the
balcony railing
and of course the the street level uh
sidewalk shade canopy is also an
exception as encouraged by the general
Plan and there's even a portion of uh of
parit up here that's also allowed to
encroach there's other encroachments
that are permitted by the ordinance such
as stairwells and elevator shafts and so
on and so forth uh subject to
development review board approval but
this design as they're showing it uh is
consistent with the exception that are
allowed by the ordinance so the height
at 48 ft and the massing as proposed is
consistent with the ordinance and also
with the old town character area
plan these are the original perspectives
uh just giving you some various angles
of the first uh approval
building and then I've got a couple of
updated perspectives for you this is
looking
Southeast from Marshall
and I'm going to finish with this
particular slide because it gives you a
good uh view of of the uh the massing
and also the coverage sidewalk and that
will complete staff's
presentation uh the applicant is here to
answer questions and I know we've got
some folks who wish to speak on this so
for now I'll have a seat unless you have
some immediate questions for me why
don't we hear from uh our speakers and
then we can have you back for
questions so so our first speaker is
going to be Mike March you want to come
up to the Das you
have yep the technolog is there for you
to use and you I see that you've got
extra
minutes so you'll have eight minutes and
your timer is right here if you want to
keep track I'll probably shut you off if
you go over so just warning you ahead of
time okay um well my name is Mike March
uh I've been an architect uh for 30
years here in Arizona 20 years as
principal of madna Architects spending
much of that time uh in office space
directly across the street from the
proposed project uh so I'm very familiar
with uh you know the the area the the
congestion the parking the issues in the
alley and what have you and uh was asked
by the uh adjacent Property Owners to
evaluate this project as as it pertained
to codes and zoning ordinance and and
what have you and see if there's any
adverse uh impact on their enjoyment of
their parcels and we do have a few
concerns
uh
the the zoning ordinance clearly has uh
design guidelines for parking uh and and
with respect to adjacent uh Drive AIS uh
you can see uh if you have 20ft Drive
aisle uh you should have angle parking
at uh at
55° uh and if you're going to have 90°
parking which this project proposes you
really need to have a 24ft drive aisle
that's a standard I've been held to on
all the projects I've done in Scottdale
and anybody that's driven through Costco
parking lot or anything of that nature
understand 24 ft even then is not quite
enough um I realize that uh on every
project I've had uh density is driven by
parking and I can appreciate
uh the the developers uh desire to
maximize the density and and get that
90° parking space in there uh but it's
you need to have a 24t drive aisle to do
that I don't believe that this project
does um what we have if you
Noti
on the proposed project
the has uh asked for we have 16t current
alley uh with a twoot dedication and
another two feet to the face of the
garage stores which gives them
essentially a 20ft alley according to
the standards that would be angled
parking going in a oneway direction um
the the applicant also states that all
the parking will be coming from Marshall
which then creates a two-way uh a
two-way Drive aisle situation now the
parking uh should departure all the
north is coming from the East this would
be coming from the west and and again
going back to the zoning code 24t
minimum for uh two-way Drive aisles uh
you can see that the parking if if they
were to back people backing out of the
space would end up potentially hitting
the cars in the area behind it uh the
ada8 space has got a wall right 20 ft
behind I don't even know how you can get
into that space and we have a similar
situation over on the east alley with
the loading zone and the other two
spaces over there where you're limited
to just barely 20 ft um the loading zone
itself I it's it's not too practical I
mean anybody just moved into any place
the smallest shoe haul you can get with
a V little van front or something it's
got a 25 turning radius so it's uh it
makes it a challenge to use that and I
think that the only way that people are
going to be able to move into these
parking spaces is by trespassing on to
the properties nearby and and
maneuvering in there um it the the
second challenge that we have is that
the we have 12 Apartments three or two
bedroom which we can see where the
tandom spaces are uh and that only
leaves eight spaces left on here as Greg
stated that ninth person can park in in
the loading zone but then if you've got
a tenant that that's the only place that
they can park you really don't even have
a loading zone anymore so if some if
somebody come home somebody else is
parking a loading zone where's that
person going to park are they going to
park in their street most likely not
just because you know you got especially
this time of year but also you get a
ticket or something of that nature so
it's going to it's going to encourage
parking on other on other Parcels to
make this work and um I I think that
it's just what really needs to happen is
um we need to make sure that this
project gets it full 24t drive AIS just
for functionality and in use of the
space thank you thank
you next we have Jose
Ramirez it's like you're going to have
eight minutes as well if you need
it good afternoon my name is uh Jose
Ramirez my U address is 7499 East
timberlan Court in Scottdale Arizona
85258 and uh I'm a property owner and uh
several businesses in alltown Scott
still for the last uh 15 years so uh I
currently own uh two properties on
Marshall W and I'm specifically
concerned about one of my properties on
Fifth Avenue being impacted by this
development uh that particular address
is 7077 East fth Avenue and it's located
uh just directly north of Marshall
living and the uh problems that I
foresee uh if this project were to get
approved is related to a couple of
couple of different things one of them
being uh their parking design the uh
current Alleyway uh currently service
both my property to the north and uh
they anticipate using this alley to
service their residential component uh
to uh in in order to access the parking
um my problem is that the as proposed
with the 90° angle uh there is not
sufficient uh there's not a sufficient
parking radius uh or or space to be able
to uh maneuver inside and out without
trespassing onto my property uh the
alleyway like I said before is only 16
feet so definitely I do
foresee a lot of trespassing uh when uh
residents uh use that parking at that
particular angle therefore impacting a
lot of my uh a lot of the business
owners that currently use that parking
uh at my particular building so I'm
really concerned about uh you know their
safety as well uh because they will have
to ensure that they uh they're not going
to have a lot of space to be able to
access the back doors for deliveries and
that type of thing and uh the other the
other item that I'm kind of concerned
about is the overall
architecture I I really believe that uh
this particular street is one of the
most beautiful streets in in Oldtown
Scottdale and it's got some wonderful
buildings wonderful architecture and uh
I would like uh to see something else
other than uh something that's
completely very modern uh something more
Timeless uh maybe different materials
being used or maybe more ornate um you
know something special we only have it's
a very small stretch you know from
Indian School to Fifth Avenue which is
where the horse Fountain is located
which is the one of the most
photographed uh pieces of Art in the
scel art collection uh so I see it as a
Gateway and uh we only have one
opportunity to continue making that
street more wonderful and and uh I like
to to see something different there um
and um in conclusion you know um just
you know maybe maybe there is a middle
ground maybe there's a different parking
scenario and uh maybe explore a
different type of
architecture thank you thank
you our next speaker
is Mark Moffett
good afternoon councilwoman caputi board
members um my name is Mark Moffett I'm
the CEO of rooster bus located at 7083
East fth Avenue just north of the
proposed
development um I appreciate the
opportunity to speak today uh about my
concerns regarding the project and its
potential impact on Oldtown Scottdale as
a business owner and as a vested member
of this community I have serious
reservations about the challenges this
project poses to our neighborhood's
functionality safety and unique
character first let's talk about the
parking and traffic old Town's parking
situation is already strained this
project with additional apartments and
Retail spaces will only worsen the
problem delivery vehicles for existing
business including my own already
struggle to navigate the Alleyways
causing congestion and delays adding
more retail resident and residential
deliveries will render these spaces
nearly impassive
ible uh beyond the Alleyways the influx
of residents visitors and overnight
guests will create even more demand for
parking in an area that's already at
capacity backing out of our parking
spots is is hazardous due to the two-way
traffic that in these tight spaces and
the proposed development doesn't
adequately address the pressing safety
concern uh in addition to parking and
traffic Waste Management presents
another significant challenge dumers in
the area are difficult to access waste
trucks due to tight maneuvering spaces
when low hanging power lines this
project lacks clear and practical P
practical plan for handling waste which
is raises concern about logistical in
issues and potential safety hazards next
the building design scale are
incompatible with old Town's aesthetic
the proposed four-story height is
disproportionate to the surrounding
structures approving this project as it
would would set a president for future
developments that further erode the
architectural charm that defines that
defines defines Fifth Avenue furthermore
the sustainability of Apartments versus
condominium should be reconsidered
Apartments often attract transient
occupants which leads to higher turnover
rates and constant need to educate
residents on parking Waste Management
local Norms condominiums on the other
hand are more likely to attract
long-term residents who have a vested
interest in the community creating
stability that aligns better with old
Town's
ecosystem finally safety is a major
concern The increased traffic in laway
will Elevate risk of collision vehicle
damage and potential injuries the turn
near the proposed site is already
challenging for for drivers and
pedestrians this development would
exacerbate the problem
significantly uh in conclusion I propose
that the project presents serious
concerns about parking traffic Waste
Management safety and the preservation
of old Town's character I urge this
Council to reconsider the scope of the
design the project to ensure at aligns
with the needs of the value of the
community thank you for your time for
considering these pressing issues I
respectfully ask that you div Deni this
proposal in its current form thank you
for your
comments there's several other speakers
but they have donated their time to the
speakers that we've already heard is
there anyone who wanted to speak that
didn't get a chance I think I've got
just about everyone all right so um
we're going to hear from the
applicant if you would like to come up
and and speak about your project that'd
be great
Council and caputi and the board my name
is Mark tomichek I'm with tomichek
design
4368 North Civic Center Plaza in
Scottdale Arizona just up the
street um that's not our
project um as Greg sort of explained
we've already been through this process
and they approved the smaller portion of
the the project with the same height
parking and everything thing and it was
really a tight project that we barely
made work so the owner actually acquired
the land on the south to make the
project bigger the property bigger so
that parking refuge and everything would
work better so we believe this is
actually an improvement of what was
already approved a lot of what I've
heard today has to do more with city
ordinances and City Rules this one
project won't change
anything that anything has been talked
about and what I believe is that we've
actually improved the situation um
you've seen the site plan that somebody
put up an aiel and the the parking
situation on existing old projects is
actually worse than ours every property
owner uh is required to dedicate two
feet of their property to make the
alleys wider and we have done this on
this project so once all the other
properties get redeveloped the alleys
will get larger and we are providing our
half Street of 12T as required um by by
ordinance so I guess in in conclusion I
think we're actually helping the problem
it's an older it's a downtown cars used
to be smaller and now their cars are
bigger trash trucks are bigger but we
all need to work together to improve it
one project at a time is usually how it
happens thank you are there any
questions from board
members kitten is there a map available
or some sort of either aerial or site
plan that you can run through the
servicing of this alley uh as it's
either presently done or how you're
adjusting it and kind of run through the
strategy of how Services Ser services
are rendered from a trash loading access
circulation standpoint
uh Vice chair Brandon you want to start
with the aial or do you want to go
straight to the site
plan either one whatever can I think
we've heard enough comments that are
talking about the access of the alleyway
the width you know the Ser how the
property functions and Services I know
in this tight Oldtown area there's
several properties that are clustered
around this corner that there's I like I
think we could all use an understanding
of presently today how that entire area
functions and maybe that's through an an
areial that
so yeah so this is this is the current
situation you can even see on the on our
surrounded property the the north side
of our property is being used for
parking um but again we are taking two
feet from our North property line and
two feet from our East property line to
to make the alley
wider and the yeah the The Refuge trucks
use the alley to uh pick up trash you
can see kind of towards the bottom of
the screen there's a a refuge
bin um and there's there's another one
on the east side of the alley also that
is just refuged they're not really even
in enclosures they're just kind of
hanging out in the alley um our
our refu it's in the it was SED it's the
same on both both projects the original
and the new one but our refuge enclosure
is in the Southeast corner it's uh
screened and it's not in the alley it's
on our property and it's just rolled out
picked up and put back in um again I
think a better solution than just having
uh bins hanging out on the side of the
property they get moved
around what is the heavy Dash square
area on the upper right hand corner of
your proposed drawing looks like bottom
right that's the bin no no the upper
right you've got a a dash area that
looks like it's a sight visibility
triangle oh triangle yes that's uh
there's a square inside of the triangle
though that just showing up it seems
like
or is there something else inside of
that visibility
triangle um yeah there is something but
there shouldn't be anything there yeah I
don't know what that is there's nothing
in there that's not a visibility
triangle actually that's a dedication at
for a turning radius so that's actually
going as well for
traffic okay so you're dedicating you're
actually dedicating area within your
property for a turning
radius I
I'm going to ask uh Sam Taylor from
transportation to weigh in on this hang
on just a
moment hello um councilwoman capy uh
yeah so our dspm um tries to avoid sharp
corners and Alleyways and we have a
requirement for 15 foot uh safety
triangle that's best way way to describe
it but it really is for turning
radius so that's that's part of the
compliance with the DS snpm is and
that's a no build area it's not a
dedication of property it's a is it a no
build area then what's how does that
work out on the
site yeah that's correct it should be a
no build
area but we still didn't understand from
the aerial we have other surrounding
property members that are here I I don't
have an understanding of because I'm
listening to to what other people are
saying and it doesn't seem like there's
an obstruction that's being created by
this project and in fact you're
improving the width of the alley but I I
just didn't know how the operations work
right now it looks like it's the East
West portion of the alley that you're on
is all of the all of the cars in that
area are parked kind of at an angle is
it a one way I don't know if
Transportation can verify in your
assessment of the property when you
reviewed this project is it a one-way
alley that's a across the top the
northern side or how does that operate
right
now uh Vice chair brand um it is a
two-way alley our alleys uh throughout
the city are either 16 feet or 20 feet
depending if they're in a residential or
commercial area um so that's part of the
reason why we requested the two foot
dedication was because their half of the
alleyway will now be 10 ft which they're
providing um we can't ask for the full 4
feet which would make the Alleyway 20 ft
um
because uh the other the northern half
would also be responsible for 2 feet of
it um so um but yeah they do function as
two-way streets uh it is narrow it's an
Alleyway um but we've got that all
throughout the downtown area
um do you generally provide off
Alleyways of of that with a headend 90°
head-end parking function CU I'm very
very famili familar with the parking
standards here and and the the architect
who presented before is is correct that
usually it's a if you're doing a 90°
parking stall you're man mandated a 24t
maneuvering space is that not typically
what we do in alleys is that can you
explain the parking standards and drive
aisle requirements for standard
properties versus an alley
alignment I I can respond to that um as
I said the the alley currently is 8T
from the center towards our property
we're dedicating two more feet that
makes a 10 and then we have a twoot
setback which is we are providing that
12 feet from the center of the road once
the property to the north does the same
thing there will be a 24 ft
driveway um but you can't guarantee that
the property to the north is going to
dedicate two feet to that drive a all
you can mandate is that they do the 10-
foot alley no there's a requirement is
it a requirement to put an additional 2
feet yes yeah that's a requirement okay
so so if any Improvement happens on this
property to the North or any surrounding
property the Oldtown alley Improvement
mandate is that you do a 10-ft alley
plus a twot maneuvering setback is that
depending on if you're placing parking
on there or if it's just maneuvering is
that
what's the outline of that councilwoman
caputi Vice chair brand uh yeah the
ultimate goal obviously is to have a
full 20 foot Alleyway and then if
anybody wants to access parking off that
alley we ask that they set that the
garage or the carport back to additional
feat so that if there's residential let
say there's garages on the North side in
the future then we would have a full 24t
drive aisle with with parking on both
sides now this obviously is is a unique
situation in that we cannot get the full
width uh from the north property but the
applicant is doing exactly what he
supposed to do from an ordinance and
policy perspective and that is to
dedicate the two feet additional and
provide the two foot setback from that
uh from that RightWay after the
dedication that's good I'm just trying
to understand what when this runs
through staff what what you're directing
to do with the future and current
planning is
do you have any response to why the um
Southern Southern facade the the metal
has decreased in the application or is
that just a I don't know if you wanted
to run through any of the other
differences of the what was the previous
approval versus the what's being
proposed
here so we we had the unique opportunity
to design this building twice so we went
through full construction documents on
the previously approved project and
there was certain building code issues
that we came up with
after um you know the Dr
approval um the reason the metal is
taller honestly I can't answer that I
don't know why um but there's some fire
requirements because this is a firewall
and it but buts the property to the to
the south south of this which again as
we we have been talking about one day
maybe but probably that property will be
built out to a four-story building and
completely block this so the reason the
parapets got taller and wider which we
tried to minimize that but per code we
have to provide all that parit in order
to have the fire separation
needed are there any other comments from
people are my hogging the floor I know
does anyone else want to make some
comments I do have a comment uh circling
back to the parking so this is a alley
is it it's not dedicated right of way is
that right um I guess Mr
Bloomberg uh councilwoman caputi and
commissioner young it uh is dedicated
right away but it it's also an alley
okay so but it's never intended to be a
street no you're
correct Okay so we're trying to apply a
parking standard to something that's not
intended to be a street or part of a
parking lot I mean I I'm
just I'm just trying to understand how
you're going to get out of these parking
spaces without hitting the cars on the
angled parking um with with hopes that
they're going to redevelop their
site and these are all garage doors on
these these parking stalls yes and you
can see on the aerial I mean this is
exactly what these cars are doing to
today mhm and uh my office also backs up
to an alley which has not had any
dedication which has a four-story
building just uh west of us and we get
in and out without a problem every day
sometimes more than
once and they're they're alleys and
everybody that works or lives downtown
appreciates that and understand that
they're not living up in North Scottdale
and have a five-car garage yeah they're
living and working in a downtown dense
area there's also ample public parking
around here that people use and the
whole purpose of downtown Oldtown is to
make it more walkable than car Centric
so rather than creating huge driveways
and P and everything about the car this
is more about the pedestrians yeah and
and I understand that and I I appreciate
that um I'm just thinking you know
backing out of one of those stalls
you've got walls on both sides of each
one of those individual stalls and
you're not going to be able to see
anybody coming east or west down that
alley
um I I'm struggling with this one this
we we've got I mean parking standards
with this 24t driveway width or drive
aisle width and we're very below that
number um I'm just I'm I'm struggling
with understanding understanding how how
that's going to work especially with the
blind spots uh of each of those
individual parking garages that you've
got so
um have you done have you had an
autoturn run on these garages in this
part in this uh
alley um like I said I I do it every day
because it's a very similar condition
where I park on a on a daily basis sure
I but did you actually run an auto turn
on it not on this one and these aren't
Individual Car they're two cars so every
two parking spaces have one one garage
door um there's a project on the um east
side of this building that has a very
similar
condition um which are the the the
four-story uh living building just
across the street from here they have
the garages that back into the alley
okay thank
you uh councilwoman caputi if I may for
uh sort of elaborate on that uh
for board member young please uh the
24t aisle width that you're referring to
is technically an aisle width for
on-site parking um obviously it would be
ideal for that to apply to alleys as
well and eventually it probably will for
this alley if the property to the north
redevelops if it doesn't then it won't
but that I just wanted to point out that
that 24t is for on-site parking Drive
aisles I understand that I think that's
kind of a technicality though it's still
functioning as a parking stall so that's
that's why I'm we're just painting the
house a different color I mean is it is
it a still functioning as a parking
stall so you know those standards of the
24 ft are there for there to be enough
maneuvering when you backing into the or
you're backing out of the stall and when
you're maneuvering into the stall um I
don't have a very big vehicle and I tell
you even a 24 foot parking or drive
aisle is sometimes difficult to
negotiate with the way some other people
Park and you can't always count on the
people pay uh parking in the diagonal
spalls to be all the way in um you know
wherever that property line is nobody
can really see it to know if they're all
the way in if they're hanging out into
that Alleyway um I I just I don't know
in my mind I'm seeing a lot of a lot of
bumper collisions in that that Alleyway
uh with this condition so um but anyway
thank you for the
explanation I hear the concerns but I
just keep coming back to this is Oldtown
this is our downtown I mean the all of
the Alleyways have this almost exact
same challenge I was talking with staff
before the meeting I could give a a
whole bunch of examples of other
locations downtown where it's very
challenging and difficult to maneuver
the car these are alleys they're not
streets um from my point of view I I
think this is an incredibly challenging
site I think that the owner has done an
exceptional job of trying hard to make
it amendable to all of these different
um concerns and and they've come up with
a pretty decent design I think the issue
is that something is going to get built
I feel like a broken record on this um
you know we are going to see
Redevelopment we want we're encouraging
Redevelopment in our downtown we want
cool exciting live work Play Projects no
matter what gets built here you're going
to have a challenge with the parking
whether it's a twostory building a
one-story building a three-story
building uh it's zoned for 48 feet so
they are within their rights and
something is going to get built Whatever
Gets built here is going to have the
exact same challenges so the question is
you know um are we approving the best
possible project here um and and again
we're going to have these issues no
matter what I love the way that you've
um added some shading elements we've
been really stressing that in our
general plan
lately um and I I want to just
reemphasize that this is actually less
dense than what's allowed in this
particular location and it's actually
overp parked in addition to meeting all
of the ordinance requirements so it you
know it's hard to as a city for us to
say these are the things that we allow
and then sort of take them back after
the fact and this is just like the
previous case that we heard um it was
approved we're
reapproved better than the original not
to downplay the challenges I think you
are going to have some challenges here
but again any project here is going to
have those same challenges and I also
just want to reiterate a point that you
made that hasn't been made enough I
don't think um we are spending tens of
millions of dollars to build more
parking in our downtown area um because
we all recognize that parking is an
issue downtown and we have been very
proactive to try to create more parking
garages uh to come and so I think
parking will become less and less of an
issue as we move forward and continue to
address this as our downtown continues
to redevelop revitalize and uh improve
so those are my two sents thank you
any other comments this a really quiet
board I've heard the concern raised over
backing into the Alleyways and I heard
this similar concern about traffic and
tightness when we were approving the uh
Warehouse complex out off Pima and 101
it claims it going to be 300 trucks per
day and if you bow the 300 trucks per
day down to how many trucks per hour how
many trucks per minute how many linear
feet of roadway it soon became a
non-existent problem I think in
Alleyways we talked about people backing
out and our tover to our transportation
people how exactly how much traffic do
you normally expect running down an
Alleyway it's going to be one car every
15 20 minutes
maybe and so I think that you know
people backing out I don't see that
there's going to be a big
problem about theer to Transportation
see what you
say uh uh board remember Mason yeah it
would be less than 250 cars per day it's
typically what we'd expect on an alley
so really uh less than a you know your
smallest local Road
um yeah thank
you any other comments I have another
com I'm I'm out now that we're we're
past the service and and circulation
issue can you bring up the comparative
uh elevations real quick
is I do think that the the design
aesthetic that that you went uh that you
came forward with on the first one and
and what you were targeting here with
which is this masonry with the the metal
accent is appropriate I think it's um
it's contemporary but not too um
overzealous contemporary like some of
the some of the stuff that I've seen on
um other small Parcels in Oldtown it's
not too attention Gathering so I really
like the direction that you've gone with
here um one thing that's different from
the first second is that the what was a
really nice elegant piece was that the
masonry actually stopped before the top
floor of this um on the elevation to the
left if you look at the South elevation
the masonry sort of stops and it's only
the sort of metal accent piece that
really extends up to to give a little
bit of a base Middle top or a penthouse
feeling to this which was a really
strong way to break up the massing I
thought it was a really strong gesture
that's not present on what's proposed
right now is that because of a zero lot
line fire rating configuration with your
openness is that what happened um I I
agree that I also prefer the original
how we designed it but having gone
through the building review it was a
fire comment that we had that we had to
address even on this original building
it doesn't work the way we designed it
um so it would have had to be adjusted
regardless of whether we came back here
today or not so you've got a a rated
wall condition that has to rise above
the last ceiling because it's an open
balcony it has to be raid towards the
neighbor okay no I understand that um
where is the mechanical equipment
located for this for this building it's
uh it's on the it's on the roof behind
the the metal screen okay so you will
have a screen wall then that's that's
not showing up on the east and west
elevations then because it looks like
you've got on the south you've got a
screen wall coming up yes there's going
to be equipment back behind that yeah on
the yes we're just going to have
equipment screening okay so you're going
to have screening that's going to be
rooftop screening that's okay yeah it
didn't appear that there was roof that
you've got an elevator overrun staircase
but I didn't see any additional
screening fore equipment up there
um all right I don't have any other
questions on
this questions comments from the board
good all right well then I'm going to
move to approve Dr 46d 2022 number two
Marshall living uh per the staff
recommended stipulations and including
the revised building elevation worksheet
as presented by staff during the hearing
after finding that the development
application meets the development review
board criteria and the additional
findings for a development in the
Oldtown area
all
second roll call
vote councilwoman caputi yes Vice chair
brand yes commissioner Young
no commissioner I'm sorry board member
peser yes board member Mason yes board
member
Robinson yes motion passes 5 to one
thank you thank
you thank
you moving on on the regular agenda we
have number seven 21d 2024 toll at
cavison councilwoman caputi Vice chair
bran board members contemplated putting
this on consent but it's a big project
and but it is I don't think it's a very
contentious project so I'll be very
brief in my
presentation uh the site is located
within the cavison master plan land
which is about 130 Acres uh that
originally received zoning approval
about 4 years ago uh when Nationwide
came in with their zoning case this site
is at the South or northeast corner of
what would is 76 Street in cavison
Boulevard just a closer view of the site
uh there's also a project in the works
on the paral to the north that would be
a multif family residential project
it's kind of a site uh site plan slop
space plan uh all of the streetscape
improvements including the Landscaping
have already been installed by the
Nationwide group so the the land the
open space that and the Landscaping that
you're going to see is just for the
onsite uh work that's being done because
all the off-site Landscaping is already
in place uh the semi-triangular space
down here is part of the circle Park
which is part of the cavison master plan
it is not part of this development
uh then you have some streetscaping on
uh Miller Road in addition to what's
already there uh from the developer and
these lighter green areas that you're
seeing here are for the private open
spaces for each of the individual
units again this is the landscape plan
so most of the Landscaping is on site
and uh there's some improvements to the
mid Road Landscaping so basically
they're adding some of their own
landscaping along the perimeter to
enhance what's already there along on
the streets and one of the things that I
failed to point out which I will point
out now is that the units along the
streets specifically along cavison and
along Claret Drive some of those units
have actual access out to the sidewalk
from their patios uh which is kind of a
unique feature for this project uh and
that allows the project to interact and
provide some connectivity uh with the
street
Frontage so there are three different uh
color schemes and material schemes for
this project I'll just go through them
very quickly um they do utilize very
similar uh finishes in terms of ephas
and stone veneer but there are some
changes to the wood uh elements uh this
is scheme one uh of the uh proposal
this is scheme two you can see there's a
little bit of a different uh color
palette slight different slight
difference in color palette and a
difference in the wood that's being used
this all just helps to provide some
variety throughout the
community and then this is the third uh
color scheme a little bit of a little
bit darker but still some warm Shades
they're not necessarily cold colors
they're still warmer Shades and again
the uh colors and the wood are a little
bit different than what was on the in
the previous
schemes and this is a perspective by
looking uh Northwest from cavison
Boulevard and then this is an internal
perspective of the
community that concludes my presentation
the applicant team is here to answer any
questions and I'm here to answer any
questions you may have of
me any questions from the board
I have one question it's just a
procedural question or maybe a technical
question I looking at the colors
presented on screen in front of us
versus the colors on this screen which
colors are
truer so look at this you get a much
better idea of the warmth of the colors
than it's than it's presented on the
screen to your right I would kind of
like to here make sure I got this right
I like the architect if they're here or
the applicant to come up and confirm
I never noticed the different screen
quality
before yeah that's
crazy I'm Graham
Denton Graham Denton with Woodley
Architectural Group I'm principal
architect and we've been working with
tol um and really excited about this
project and it's interesting
I definitely feel like the colors are
probably a little off on this screen um
I don't know that this screen is a great
representation either this one might be
a little more accurate um definitely
more so now that I'm to the front of it
versus to the side but as it came up
earlier you know colors digitally are
one of those things that it's it's
really tough to you know get a digital
representation of a color um let's see
oops
I know it's
true I I feel like this screen although
this screen portrays them very dark I
don't think they're quite that dark so
out of both of them I don't know quite
honestly which one portrays better in
old days we used to get like the hard c
i I know uh and I unfortunately I didn't
even think to bring color samples with
me I think actually you're rendering on
on this screen is probably the most
accurate for the niih
hob which screen is this screen the one
to the projection this one to the left
okay yeah I feel like the tonality on
this one or the the depth of color on
this one's probably better it it
everything up here is reading too dark
to me um but I do think that maybe the
Hue shift is a little little off on this
one but um maybe the the Hue of that
screen coupled with the the lightness of
this
screen well whatever the colors are
going to be I look forward to replacing
that giant empty dirt lot
personally I was just going to respond
inate and make a note I I think the
project is is really nice um oh thank
you I'm luckily Mr I'm familiar with all
of the nichiha line of wood fiber cement
panels so I've got the luxury of knowing
exactly what their color shades are CU I
see in my office all the time um I do
think the richness of the of the stone
veneer is the base and then and then
essentially not just doing Eeps but
actually having another highlight
material with a with the fiber cement
clading is a great idea I think that the
massing of what's proposed here with the
setbacks and the delineation between
floors um is a really nice product and I
think it's commend uh the applicant as
toll to creating a product again again
that is a middle middle tier housing
that we just haven't seen a lot of we
see a lot
of rap and Podium and boxes and then we
see ground up um surface parked uh
Garden style we don't see a ton of this
um quad town home stacked or you know
this type of stacked double stacked town
home or single stacked town home so love
the product thank you guys have' done a
great job I think it's a it'll be a nice
addition to the area and to
professionals moving into this area that
desire this type of and it complements
the cavison development really really
well so um and again not creating I I
know that it's funny I feel the need to
mention this stuff because I'm not sure
that you know people who are watching
this on TV or a broadcast that
understand that the ins and outs of
what's being proposed here the setbacks
of the upper level balconies there is a
significantly greater surface area of
material and cladding that you're having
you do on this project versus just the
face of a box and we we are constantly
looking at residential products that are
the face of a box and just decorating a
really flat box and that is not what you
were doing and we really appreciate it
um or I really appreciate it as a board
member and and I'm looking forward to
the product hitting the market so thank
you very much thank you yeah we're we're
really proud of this one so we're
excited yep and it's great to see a four
sale townhouse product I totally agree
more diversity of housing types is
fantastic here do anyone any other board
members have any comments I just have a
comment
um I haven't been on the drb in a while
but I tell you we didn't used to get to
see a lot of projects with this much
movement in the architecture and I I
think you did a really good job with it
and the combination of all these
materials too taken all the way up to
the to the roof is I think pretty unique
to do that so I commend you with that
and uh I I support this project and um I
think this is going to be a really good
one so thank you thank you
does anyone want to make a
motion I'll make a motion
to approve item number 721
dd-224 toll at
cavison per the staff recommended
stipulations after finding that the
development application meets the
development review board criteria
second roll call
vote councilwoman caputi yes
Vice chair brand yes commissioner young
yes board member paser yes board member
Mason yes board member Robinson yes
motion passes 60 great thank you thank
you we have one final item number eight
949 PA 2024 the shade and tree design
guidelines we're going to have a staff
presentation
okay good afternoon councilman comput
our Council women comput excuse me and
board members um my name is Tim Connor
I'm the envir Environmental Policy
manager for the city here in the office
of environmental initiatives um our
office has been working on a shade and
tree plan for the city uh we are working
with a multiple discipline design team
that is led by the design laboratory
they are a landscape architectural firm
I plan to give you a brief uh high level
overview of the of the plan today and
provide some sample design guidelines
and I'd just like to hopefully uh
entertain any questions as I go or even
at the end either way is
fine um today we're here to I'm here to
request that we initiate uh drb or the
Dr request the drb to initiate future
review and hopefully eventually approval
of the shade and tree PL design
guidelines these guidelines are modular
components of the larger three and shade
plan which is still under uh development
phase why this plan in 2022 the city
partnered with the ASU urban climate
research oh I'm sorry I'm not advancing
the
slides that doesn't
help the arrows or
okay much better
okay in 20122 the city partnered with
the ASU urban climate Research Center
and published a study of the impact of
the increasing heat in the city of
Scottdale in short their
recommendations to the city were to
increase shade both in increased tree
canopy and increased shade structure
where trees were not feasible also the
study recommended that we decrease incre
the area of dark unshaded surfaces such
as parking lots and
roofs with the results of the cooler
scat study uh the Consultants provided
us with three overarching goals can I
get a advance I'm sorry three
overarching goals uh to help guide the
guide the development of our shade and
tree plan and those were to increase our
shade maintain our shade and collaborate
on shade
different sites have different needs
both structured shade and tree canopy
shade are being included in the plan
while some spaces in our public realm
can benefit by introducing well-placed
trees other sites require more
structured approach to provide the much
needed
shade the plan is intended to be modular
modular excuse me um the guideline tool
kit has three different sections of it
one that's uh focused on trees and other
focused on structures and finally one
that's focused on water harvesting the
plan is intended to be modular to allow
the specific guidelines to be extracted
from the plan to be used to address
various spatial development situations
the guideline modules will be uh
addressing appropriate placement of
trees various types of structured shade
both attached to the buildings and
freestanding structures and finally
water harvesting techniques to be used
to lessen the need for p water for the
new and existing
trees this is one example of a design
guideline there we
go I'm sorry keep forgetting to advance
the slides this is one example of the
design guide be being developed uh the
diagram indicates the relationship of
how the size and width of a planter can
affect the overall width of the canopy
of a tree when it's matured
this is another example
of excuse me another
example another guideline showing the
the streetscape relationship of the
planner with to the appropriate type of
shade suggested also the guideline shows
the appropriate location for shade
elements depending on the sun's position
to maximize pedestrian uh
Comfort the design team has done fairly
a fairly extensive public outreach
program the team attended and interacted
with the public in seven popup events
two of public open houses also
presentations have been made to several
of the boards and commissions on two
occasions multiple City Department
leadership were engaged in Workshop
discussions we expect more Outreach to
follow the as the plan continues
develop I'm
sorry in conclusion I am respectfully
requesting the de development review
board to initiate the future review and
possible future approval of the shade
and tree design
guidelines that's the conclusion of my
presentation I apologize for the lack of
the slide
advancement if you have any questions
I'd be happy to try to answer them you
did a good job as a standin don't worry
it's hard when they throw you at it in
the last second we get it yeah I got I
got a day's notice so sorry it's all
good uh any comments from our
board commissioner young thank you um
thank you for your presentation and I
think it's a great idea I I'm curious
how this is going to be implemented over
time so is this going to be part of the
landscape plan approval process that
there would be a shade study that gets
requested by the city or is there like
how are you going to quantify is there a
percentage of public sidewalks that need
to be shaded uh how is it going to take
into account public utility easements
where I know you can't have trees um
other underground utilities that prevent
you from locating trees within you know
some cities it's five feet some cities
it's eight feet without Root barriers
and things like that I absolutely uh can
see the need to have shade on those
public sidewalks I'm I'm I I face as
daily in my own job as a landscape
architect trying to shoehorn these trees
in when we've got these requirements and
I would love to do it all day long but
unfortunately particularly utility
companies are a challenge uh when
implementing this so I'm just kind of
wanting to understand how this is going
to unfold over time and how it's going
to be
implemented well essentially we're
hoping that the design guidelines will
give at least a guide to the development
Community to where they might try to
place trees but also if the trees are
not going to be able to be in that
location smaller R of ways on
streetscapes and things of that nature
May determine that you need to have
maybe a pattern of shaded structures
that go down and and help us uh shade
the sidewalk in in periodic
places is there is there also going to
be a specific list of trees that you're
going to recommend for certain
applications because there's obviously
some that work better than others I know
when Scottdale Road got uh there was a
capital Improvement project to redo
Scottdale Road there was a lot of hybrid
Desert Museum trees that went in and I
could probably count on these two hands
how many are left uh from storms and
whatnot so you know there is certain
trees that are more applicable to
certain uh conditions ride of ways what
part of the city they're in things like
that so and I'm sure that's stuff that
you thought of I'm just there wasn't
really any information for me to react
to no I understand we did not bring in
today the uh the tree section which does
have uh distinct descriptions of the
trees that we're providing from small
trees to large medium trees to large
trees um it does take into consideration
things such as the evasive Roots it
takes into
consideration uh the the the durability
of the tree also especially in harsh
areas and it's going to be mostly native
and desert adapted trees we're not going
to have anything that's just kind of a
willy-nilly from somewhere else in a
that we saw in a nursery or something
like that so yes there will be a fairly
deep decent uh tree section that will
help to identify all that that sounds
great thank you very much thank you I
have a question uh regarding applicabil
U enforcement to is this going to be a
supplemental design guideline or gu
guideline package that applies to
throughout the entire city or is this
get integrated into existing design
guideline design guidelines that we have
for different areas how how's this how's
this overlaying with existing design
guidelines yeah uh councilwoman caputi
Vice chair bran um typical with most of
our guidelines there are kind of
Standalone right now there will be
likely an effort post this shad and tree
guideline um effort to maybe consolidate
a little bit of that but at least
initially this is intended to be kind of
a standalone document for guidelines on
shade and tree uh throughout the city
and as Tim mentioned that's going to be
kind of Broad and it's going to
hopefully look at a number of different
approaches um as we go through that
process of um defining where we need
certain types of shade and what that
looks like um and then we'll bring those
different iterations to you for
additional review but again that is
intended to be kind of a standalone
document um that like many of our other
guidelines it just seems like there's a
pretty significant amount of overlap
with the Oldtown character area plant
because they address Street Scapes and
shade and sidewalks a lot within some of
the existing guidelines site development
guidelines that we have and so this is
so you're going to try to resolve some
if there's conflicting language or you
know going to try to resolve that in the
future as you get as you get further
down the road is that the yeah we'll
have to analyze that um and hopefully
dubil the two documents um and if we
have any conflicts we can hopefully
resolve those um in future efforts um or
as we go through this process especially
try to resolve anything that would have
that conflict in the Oldtown area or
conflict with any street street tree
plans or
other major
arterial guidelines that we have yeah
right now we have you probably know the
Scott Road streetcape design guidelines
as uh commissioner young alluded to some
of the provisions and guidelines in
those are kind of outdated um this will
hopefully kind of clarify a little bit
of that as it goes through the process
great thank you and is this Brad is this
also sort of like a sub plan of our
sustainability plan it feels like it's a
piece of it is it I could answer that it
is a component essentially uh talked
about in the heat section of the
sustainability plan so that's giving it
some
reinforcement um one of the maps that I
had shown
you
crack let me see if I can find that
slide and bring it up
here we go to the right is a and you
guys probably didn't even get to see
this slide because I forgot to advance
it but to the right was a heat study
that's a land surface study as far as
heat is concerned it was done by a
satellite that flyed over our our area
about 11:00 in the in the day um these
are 2020 reactions to that um it's
interesting because the general plan
designates the Air Park area the Old
Town and the uh South Scottdale and
mcdal Roads as being our growth areas
guess what shows up as being the hot
spots in this plan so that helped us to
kind of say yes we need something that's
going to be able to be used by Future
development we also are going to be
using it for our city parks um it's it's
the idea is it's both our plan for us
and the plan for the development
Community as
well I I like that it's shade and tree
guidelines I I love to reiterate uh it's
not always just trees we can provide
shade and a a bunch of different ways
and I know this board's talked about it
a lot of times too in terms of where the
how the building is oriented we even
just saw a case today that was using
physical shade structures um so trees
are a super important component but just
a piece of that so I do like the overall
approach thank
you there was one question that I don't
think got answered and I think it was
uh let's see uh Mr
Young's the uh let me just reinforce
with the
new um International green construction
code is now re uh required of all
commercial development one of the the
requirements in that plan is
demonstrating a certain percentage of
the site and how it's shaded especially
the hot surfaces of parking and and
sidewalks and stuff of that nature so we
we're going to ask probably that these
Design Consultants be coming back to us
with some kind of a diagram that you all
can take a look at that our staff can an
analyze so that we know that they're
meeting that requirement yeah I mean I I
know for example the City of Phoenix has
a similar requirement where we have to
provide a shade study with to prove it
up and you know that that shade analysis
is done on June 21st at 12 o'clock in
the afternoon um you know the most awful
time to be outside so it's kind of hard
to find shade on June
21st it is so we got to be real careful
of where you put your trees but yeah I
mean I I'm familiar with what city of
Phoenix does and I think implementing
the same thing for um city of Scottdale
would also be wise so okay thank you
thank you any other
comments sure board member P Brad you
you said this is a standalone document
is that how it was going to be initiated
yes it will be initiated as a standalone
document it's sort of an imple
implementation component of the overall
sustainability plan so anybody coming
into the city with a design for a new
project they won't necessarily be
required to adhere to this they'll just
be encouraged to adhere to it yeah
Council caputi board member peser as
typical with all of our guidelines they
are policy documents and um we put an
effort in to have applicants meet those
policies ultimately it's the the
decision-making body such as the drb
that determines whether or not those
policies need to be implemented but they
are not code
requirements okay so if if somebody does
come in and they're trying to adhere to
this document we would know that there
would be some form of of information to
us to say this document they are
adhering to this Standalone guideline
yeah typically as as you know when we
bring forward any kind of drb
application for instance and a project
is not meeting a guideline that's
usually what we're when we're uh
emphasizing that with the board is when
a project is not meeting a guideline
whether that be the commercial
guidelines or restaurant guidelines or
whatever we're emphasizing that with the
board and we would do the same with
these as well if an applicant was not
meeting a component in the shade and
tree guidelines that ultimately get
approved we would emphasize that when
the application comes in front of the
board it's also part of the applic The
Narrative on the application that you
provide too sorry I'm I have a fun time
writing narratives about how we're
complying to all guidelines but that's
you we'll have to re Architects are
planners we have to review this and and
then comp write a narrative compliance
to all applicable sections of this so
there is that how that would be done
yeah that's how that's how the applicant
proves that so to speak on the front end
in addition to plans that demonstrate it
they're writing a narrative to to
demonstrate how they're meeting the
requirements okay thank
you well there weren't a lot of details
for us to look at but I'm a huge fan of
aspirational documents so um if there's
no
other comments from our board uh I will
move to initiate the shade and tree
design guidelines I'll second
that roll call vote councilwoman sorry
councilwoman caputi yes Vice chair brand
yes commissioner young yes board member
paser yes uh board member Mason yes
board member Robinson yes motion passes
6 Z thank you uh we have one more
question from board member bran because
I haven't talked talked enough
this meeting um Mr car is there going to
be a report or an explanation presented
to the board regarding the city's zoning
ordinance adjustments to comply with uh
State bills for um accessory dwelling
unit and um other uh single family
residential areas that we that are
designated based on the state I know
that we have to the city needs to show
compliance by January 1st or January 5th
of 2025 did uh just for additional
information for the board was was a was
were the adjustments to the zoning
ordinance presented to city council or
is that going to is there going to be a
presentation from staff just to talk
about what's being adjusted absolutely
councilwoman caputi and vice chair bran
those um updates to comply with those
requirements were presented to council
and approved on November 25th um they
will go in effect Christmas day um and
from all pract practical implication
though we're start implementing that on
January 1st perly requirements um we're
happy to present some of the changes
that are result to that with regards to
ad the adus those don't really get seen
by the development review board um but
essentially what that amounts to is um
the ability for certain properties
throughout the city if they are
qualifying um to have Adu or adus on the
property subject to certain requirements
and so those um allowances and
requirements are all going to be Again
part of the code starting December 25th
um with regards to um adaptive reuse
which was another bill that um was going
forward in that last legislative session
those also did get approved on November
25th and will be implemented uh December
25th um those kind of changes um per the
requirements of that state statute will
also not income from in front of the
board um those have to happen in a in an
administrative fashion behind the scenes
with staff uh we're going to conduct a
similar review that we do with any kind
of development application um for
instance someone was going to build an
apartment complex the similar type of
review was going to occur um for these
multif family conversions but it will be
an administrative review per the state
statute requirements so those won't get
seen at all by development re board or
any other public hearing body they
happened um in administrative fashion so
so particularly for the for the well
okay I just didn't know if there was
going to be we're talking about
something that isn't maybe widespread
knowledge but I I didn't know if there
would be a
some sort of presentation to the drb
just for for knowledge moving forward
but since it I certainly understand
since it's not something that'll ever
come before a public hearing that it's
maybe not as pertinent as I thought yeah
and we we we're certainly happy to
present some of those changes to you if
you for information if you like to see
that um but again we weren't planning on
it because they are essentially
administrative
applications great we don't need to take
a vote to adjourn do we we do we do not
okay well then I support that though
anyone has any other comments I will
declare this meeting adjourned thank you
so much