Development Review Board - January 9, 2025

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and welcome to the Scottsdale
development review board public meeting
the purpose of the development review
board is to maintain the quality of
development in Scottdale by reviewing
all the design aspects of a proposed
development and the relationship of its
design components to the surrounding
environment and Community the board also
reviews all preliminary plots for
subdivisions to assure conformance to
policies and ordinance requirements the
agenda consists of the Roll Call public
comment on non- agendized items
administrative report minutes approval
of the prior meeting and action items a
roll call vote will be taken after each
item's motion the liaison will call each
board member's name to indicate their
desired vote for the item after the vote
has been counted the liaison May read
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meeting your comment will be limited to
three minutes to individual speakers
with an additional minute for each
additional individual present at the
meeting who has contributed their time
to a representative up to total of 10
minutes I remind our audience that the
board's review relates to design matters
and does not include consideration of
existing zoning District designations
zoning entitlements or the allowed uses
within the zoning districts I read that
slowly on
purpose the board's motion may be to
approve approve with modified
stipulations deny the request or to
continue the case thank you for your
interest in time we will begin the
meeting with a roll
call councilwoman caputi here Vice chair
brand here commissioner young here board
member paser here board member
faki here board member Mason here board
member Robinson here all present thank
you thank you uh next comes our public
comment for non- agendized items but we
don't have any so we will move on to an
administrative report from Brad Carr
thank you councilwoman caputi and uh
welcome everybody back from the holidays
great to see you all um we did have a
regular schedule of meeting uh for next
week uh but since we don't have any
items pending anything today we'll
likely uh cancel that meeting shortly
after this meeting so our next regular
schedule meeting will be the first uh
Thursday in February which I think is
the 6th so hopefully we see everybody
there at that time uh I want to thank um
councilwoman caputi commissioner young
for your time on the on the board uh for
your rotations we're going to miss you
hopefully we see you around soon and um
that's about all I have for today so
thank you again thank you
Brad uh next we will approve the minutes
of December 12th 2024 development review
board meeting do I I have a
motion I move to approve the
minutes second roll call vote
councilwoman caputi yes Vice chair brand
yes commissioner young yes board member
paser yes board member
faki yes board member Mason yes board
member Robinson yes motion passes 70
thank you thank you we will move on to
our consent agenda we have two items on
consent uh unless anyone has questions
or concerns on either of those items
we'll usually take a a vote for both
together so we have consent agenda items
number three and four do I have a motion
for
approval I'll move to approve the 2024
development review board annual K annual
report in case 2-
p2024 per the staff recommended
stipulations that after finding the
development applications meet the
applicable development Rew board
criteria second
perfect roll call councilwoman caputi
yes Vice chair brand yes commissioner
young yes board member paser yes board
member
faki yes board member Mason yes board
member Robinson yes motion passes 70
thank you thank you we have two items on
our regular agenda for today the first
item is number five cases 16d 2024 papao
Village and I'm sure we're going to hear
a presentation on
this thank you councilwoman caputi
commissioner and board members I'm Casey
stiny with the city of Scottsdale
planning department presenting case 16d
2024 Papago
Village you can see the site location
here generally west of 64th Street on
the north side of Oak this is by the
city uh border so that is the city of
Phoenix directly to the south of this
and then closer up you can see the site
is kind of sandwiched between some R4 uh
town home residential to the west and
the Elks Lodge to the
east the site is primarily zoned SR
Service residential now service
residential is intended to be a
transitional zone so it can afford for
both commercial and residential
development on it in this particular
case the applicants are seeking approval
for a site and Landscape review along
with building elevations for a 94 unit
residential Community along with a a
couple of accessory buildings that go
along with that on a roughly 9.6 Acre
Site zoned again primarily res SR
Service residential though there is a
small pocket at the northwest corner of
r110 single family
residential here's some of the pertinent
site and project data in apparently very
small font and the the current site use
is offices which are vacant the
Redevelopment proposal would call for
just over 100,000 square fet of
Residential Building area that includes
about 6,000 ft for the clubhouse and an
additional 5,000 square ft of part of
the existing office which is going to
remain but be repurposed for the
community
use Sr does also cap the height at 18 ft
and that is the height being proposed
for this project and in terms of uh
several other typical development
standards like parking and open space uh
the applicants do exceed the minimum
ordinance requirements by providing 168
Total Space for parking and 42 Acres of
open
space looking at the allowable density
in Sr Sr does allow up to 12 dwelling
units per acre in this particular case
that could afford up to 121 units the
applicants are seeking 9.3 dwelling
units per acre or 94 total
units and here's how that kind of looks
laid out on the site you kind of have a
circular drive with two entrances coming
off of Oak there's actually a third
entrance in between those which is more
kind of intended to access that office
building I talked about which is going
to be repurposed but the units one and
two bedroom units are situated around on
and in between uh that circular drive
there is an access aisle on the left
side heading north and on the North side
is the amenity area you can see Turf dog
park uh pool Clubhouse those sorts of
things up there you'll also notice that
uh for you know buffering purposes a 6ot
block wall is proposed effectively
around the entire perimeter west east
and north and on top of that there is
also going to be a 15t landscape
easement which effectively acts as a
setback but also affords affords for
some mature tree plantings for more
buffering and visual
interest and here's a look at the open
space plan a lot of the open space is
emphasized and there is a lot of excess
open space a lot of it's emphasized as
Frontage open space so effectively the
first 50 ft of depth off of Oak Street
is going to be undeveloped it's going to
remain as open space you can see the
other blue areas on this image are
common open space so near the South
Center area where that that repurposed
building would be uh and then of course
at the top by the amenity area and you
can also see in green the private
outdoor living space uh which goes with
each individual
unit looking at the landscape plan it
emphasizes a variety of desert
appropriate trees and they're along with
other plantings of course and the trees
are kind of emphasized I would say in
two kind of strategic areas one is in
that landscape easement so all around
the perimeter on the northeast and west
side but then also in that southern
Frontage open space there's a strong
density of tree plantings and that
Frontage open space Also acts as an
on-site Basin for water
retention and here we can see uh some of
the elevations for the dwelling units on
the left half you have the one-bedroom
duplexes on the right the two-bedroom
units uh we're looking at primarily uh
appropriate materials and colors stucco
and sorin desert tones the height is
about between 15 and 16 feet for these
units and the applicant narrative does
discuss getting some of this inspiration
uh for the mid-century modern kind of or
the mid-century approach from the area
in general and specific to this
particular site's history
and then similarly here's a look at the
clubhouse a little taller uh but
harmonious with the dwelling unit design
and pretty much a similar
concept and with that we'll conclude the
staff presentation we also have the
applicants from modus design team with
their own presentation if needed sure
unless we have any questions for staff
at this point let's hear from the
applicant
good afternoon my name is Andy Baron
here on behalf of modus development and
a development team that's kind of seated
in the back row here if there's
questions throughout this that I can't
answer I definitely have some backup uh
my address is 310 East Rio salato
Parkway here in 10p Arizona
so wanted to thank staff for their
presentation they did a fantastic job um
giving us sort of the highlights of what
we're working on and what we've been
working on very closely with staff for
quite some time now so I'll run through
a presentation some of it is duplicative
where it is I'll probably skip through
it a little bit quicker we don't have to
spend too much time recapping but I'll
kind of start with uh see if these
arrows
work no oh you have to use the mouse
okay
scroll oh got it okay sorry folks um a
quick recap obviously the existing uh
land use was office the existing zoning
in place is SR Service residential I
think it's really important obviously
the zoning does allow us to develop
residential um and that is what we're
proposing um important to sort of look
back a little bit to where it was
started this project previously uh came
through with KOB Nan homes uh
additionally a proposal for residential
uh big variations here though and I
think it's important to point out that
the majority of the product that was
proposed was two-story um there was a
lot of opposition in the neighborhood
because of that and then they are also
proposing removing the nton building uh
that we'll talk a little bit about here
in a few minutes so I wanted to spend
just a minute uh about the previous case
making sure that we make some distinct
differences of what we're proposing in
our project uh wanted to spend a minute
just talking about modus in general uh
Ed and his company uh have a very
significant commitment to providing
energy efficient design and homes that
are affordable to the community and the
Net Zero Focus uh is something that Ed
is very passionate about and it's
something that he plans on bringing into
uh this community as well so and I think
something else that's really critical is
that through this process uh the
engagement with the neighbors has been
quite extensive there were four separate
meetings held to make sure that it was
clear what was being proposed and that
the fact that we were actually keeping
the existing structure in place so that
Outreach extended to 167 different
property owners and I'm going to hold
something up here and this is printed
double-sided but we have a series of
letters from the neighborhood in support
of this project while there are some in
opposition the majority of folks are in
support and as I said four separate open
houses were
held um some of the things that we heard
uh oftentimes traffic is is a big
concern of folks I think that we were
able to dispel any concerns explaining
how traffic movement works the fact that
our Am Pm counts are actually lower than
what's the current use is today
residential obviously creates less
traffic movement than than office uses
uh the building Heights as you just
heard single story on all the units with
the exception of the clubhouse which
I'll touch on in a few minutes here uh
the density we're 94 units we could do
121 we're we we're way below that um
parking we have ample parking on site in
fact we exceed the parking requirements
under code and then the overall feedback
I think was people were very um excited
about seeing this um influenced
mid-century but very modern
interpretation of historical
architecture so the site today um as it
sits is the blood bank uh the nimin
building I don't oh you can use the
mouse is sort of on this southwest
corner here uh the three Drive D ways
well there's actually four driveways
today that exist that access a parking
lot one on the far East one on the Far
West next to the existing neighborhoods
uh we did spend a lot of time with staff
working on driveways assuring that we
would be avoiding uh conflicts of
turning movements and access to the
existing services to the
South so the proposed site plan as staff
had indicated is comprised of a series
of one-bedroom duplex units which are
attached and then separate two-bedroom
units that that are detached 800 squ
footish on the one bedrooms 1200 squ
footish on the the twos the clubhouse
site proximately 5,000 square ft um and
then the or I'm sorry 6,000 square fet
and the existing nin building ntin
building is at uh about 4700 Square F
feet so the organization of the site um
definitely residential uh adjacency
residential character on the edges we
did plan and work staff very closely on
ensuring that we could provide a 15t
landscape setback that the developer
will put landscape in those rear yards
through tree canopies so we could create
a nice visual buffer uh the site itself
organized um intentionally for us to
create a strong axial connection to the
clubhouse at the end of the roadway so
we have this Terminus that leads us into
this facility so we're sort of framing
that arrival as you come into the entry
there's a compression point we have
vertical landscape a lot of pattern
planting intentionally looking long uh
view toward the clubhouse which then
actually is set up for a very long range
view of cback mountain so very
intentional design here uh we worked
very closely with staff to provide
access to the office building um this
would be the only public access point uh
this building is intended to be a
co-working facility the ability for
residents that may have businesses to
have other folks come in meet with them
be able to work through projects very
much like what we're doing right now
they could do that in this building if
they wanted to have family meetings or
other things they could do that we're
also proposing a series of enhancements
around the perimeter of the building
which include exterior outdoor spaces um
seating areas additional landscape shade
and the client uh Ed is putting a lot of
money interior of the building removing
a lot of things that hid the character
of it there were drop ceilings put in
drywall things put in and those are all
being removed to kind of bring it back
to its uh previous uh stature so beyond
that um the organization of the site
really uh employs the amenity
connections on the North End internal
connections throughout that provide
access to the ameni parking spaces in
the units themselves so we have a few
pictures in here aerial views and some
renderings of the proposed architecture
uh you could see very low flat roofs
deep overhangs again really trying to
get into a little bit of that
mid-century mon modern F uh very mild
articulation on the buildings but
recessed windows and doors uh corridors
between the buildings themselves would
be obviously shaded with landscape
lowlevel lighting um Quality Pathways
and materials and you could see the
articulation again with the stucco um
treatments the colors are off a little
bit they are more Earth Tone here um but
again you can kind of see the commitment
to Quality and the Simplicity in the
architecture long long range view of the
clubhouse on the Terminus and ever so
slightly because the building is
somewhat blocking you you can see the CB
back view in the long distance the open
space plan staff touched on I'll only
say we exceed every
category uh the existing building the
4700 fot uh nmon building uh you could
see some of the existing pictures here
the exterior we would retain interior
we're going to renovate here's kind of a
blowup plan view of what's being
proposed um you can see that the this
really is the back of the building but
the front's on the front side which is
kind of weird but uh we've done our uh
best interpretation of trying to connect
things so that there is a quality uh
usable space on the exterior of the
building uh the clubhouse here's a quick
just snapshot of that again 6,000 square
ft the interior there's a fitness space
here couple of living rooms down uh
Living Spaces downstairs and a kitchen
at and upstairs there's some office
space as well as it additional living
room space and a deck for that long
range
view the building uh because this is a
two-story Mass I just wanted to clarify
that the overall Building height does
meet the requirements in code as the
building height is measured from the
curb on Oak Street so we are under the
18t Max
requirement and here's just a back view
of that and then the project entry as we
said I just wanted to blow that up a
little bit to make sure it was clear
that it is gated we are putting a lot of
thought and energy into creating some
formality and structure we want to
create a a nice compression arrival for
folks make that real Resort feel and
textural component and everything that
we've done is intentionally been to
compl the architecture and that
horizontal linearity that that form
takes on so with that I promised I'd go
quick I'll pause see if there's any
questions questions from any board
members board member faki I know you're
there so just um speak up to if you have
anything we do thank you okay the the
project doesn't have garages correct
everyone's just parking outside open um
you know I thank you for clarifying I
probably should have told you that the
the units themselves do not have garages
but there are garages available on the
property and those are these darker
blocks that are here um the other
lighter shaded areas are all shaded
parking spaces
okay and then another um thing that I
someone brought up to me that I've been
thinking about too is in terms of um
Street access to the different
units are you is there direct access to
each unit or are you sort of walking
through past one to get to another sure
and I can answer that um council member
as as you park in one of these spaces I
know it may be difficult to see with my
mouse but there are sidewalks that lead
to each front door from uh adjacent
sidewalk on the parking areas so you can
walk from a parking space directly
through here to a front door for
instance on these two beds back to this
back Corridor where there is another
north to south connection that then
leads access to directly to the front
doors and that's consistent throughout
okay thank you no problem uh if we don't
have any
further um yeah I have just one question
um there was kind of an oblique 3D
perspective view that you had of a
streetcape could you go back to that
this one yeah so where where are the
garages um in this view they're not
shown if we I'd have to show you on the
plan view the perspective was just taken
from a different location where on the
plan is that perspective shown uh it's
more generic commissioner so so the
streetcape won't look like that it'll
there will be a garage unit for instance
you know potentially in a location like
right here where it would be elevated so
and that would be an enclosed garage
area so as you're driving down one of
these internal streets you're just going
to see garage doors there are some
garage doors yes how many garages are
there uh there's a total of one two
three four buildings of garages and
they're on this interior edge here and
there is one in this location here okay
and so all the rest of the parking is
covered parking correct there are some
areas that are not covered and you can
see those just where there's gaps and
there are some symbols showing some
vehicle parking areas some of that is
uncovered covered parking the majority
of the parking is covered it would have
been helpful to have more of an accurate
representation of what that looks like
in the rendering yeah point
taken okay well we H uh we have some
comments from the um folks in the
audience and so why don't we take some
public comment and then we'll all right
come back from more conversation all
right no problem thank you great so we
have several requests to speak cards why
don't we um hear from and I just before
folks come up to speak I just also want
to remind everyone that we are
discussing
um the board's I'm going to read this
again actually just real quick the
board's review relates to design matters
and does not include consideration of
existing zoning District designations
zoning entitlements or the allowed uses
within the zoning District so our
purview on development review board is
um mostly design so we have uh John deal
if you want to approach the podium um
name and address and you have three
minutes okay I'm old I'm hard of hearing
and I'm wanding
um first of all my credentials Campell
back 1898 my grandfather at 56 in Indian
school I live in the sh Mr deal could
you speak into the microphone please
it'll be easier to hear ma'am I don't
hear you I'm
sorry speak on the mic here oh pull that
over okay I'm having that same
problem I'll get it right eventually it
takes a while okay uh I live in the
Sherwood area on Cambridge I live on 60
Street which is a minor artery gets a
lot of
traffic about half of them are exceed
the 25 mph limit anyway I've visited
several of the modest uh developments
they're very good I would give them a B+
or maybe even a
minus okay but this is not the right
project for this place it's much much
too dense I've seen density before and
this is nothing but it's a new standard
for Arizona I went through the Google
Earth Google Maps and Zillo it is the
most dense project in all of Scottdale
there are far too many uh units in that
area to give you an idea the nine acres
are basically the same as that of the
sherid Heights area north of
Wilshire and so that's has 94 units the
density is three time no seven times the
density of the Sherwood area so that's
like having uh a home with three people
and putting 21 people in them uh what
else of those 94 houses about 56 have no
direct access to the road you have to go
through wallway they're stacked two and
three
deep uh I don't know
I traffic the the uh I I
heard that the um traffic would be even
less than it was with the blood systems
or Val Valiant or whatever it is that's
not true I went back six years on Google
Earth and never found more than 40
vehicles in that property at any time
there's no way in the world I mean that
the traffic is going to be less and and
we don't need more traffic on Oak Oak is
a is precarious to say the the least
uh I'm not used to speaking English here
so anyway
uh let me see I got 30 29 seconds left
how should I use it uh as to upholding
the character of the area quote unquote
this is not I did not receive a
notification my neighbors didn't receive
any
notification uh and there was no strong
commitment to the
neighborhood last but not
least I think the rules of the
development stipulate a 10-day notice
for the hearing this is the ninth day
you're in violation of your own rules it
it was posted on 12:31 go look at the
sign it's still out there it was blown
over yesterday thank you all very
much thank you Mr
deal our next speaker is Ed Hadley
thank you mine will be short and sweet
uh family raising a family here in uh
Scott so excited about the opportunity
for more housing we got plenty of office
empty office all over the city it's
finally time to start building some more
affordable uh living spaces for my young
children and hopefully their children
because candidly I I'm an employer and
obviously have family here and most of
my employees have to commute from Poria
and West to work in Scottsdale and when
we talk about you know these uh the
densities and and what's happening in
Scottsdale is super excited because now
I can actually hire people and they can
work and live where they were we in our
offices so highly support this uh modus
does a great job glad they're taking on
this uh property and hopefully uh you
guys are in favor thanks thank you for
your
comments next we have Thomas o
uh Madam
councilwoman Mr commissioner members of
the board City staff and the motors team
it's pleasure to be
here uh you'll excuse the degression but
the last time I appeared before the city
in this chamber was
1981 or
1980 her drink water was the mayor and I
persuaded Mr drinkwater to help me uh
persuade Salt River Project to stick in
what we now see is the yellow steps in
the canals
and that was a wonderful experience I
have great admiration for the city of
Scottsdale uh but I'm going to urge the
rejection of this Oak Street
application um since it would be
difficult to Envision a project more out
of character with the existing
neighborhood the traffic flow that
exists there
and perhaps most consequentially
important something that would carry
more adverse consequences to the folks
who'd be expected to live in this
development I'll
explain I've been a 46y year
resident of the
neighborhood and I see Scottdale I see a
a couple things that are critical Le one
Scott
stales direct knowledge of the fact that
this is a low low traffic
Street two Scottdale has direct
knowledge that this low trffic
Street has limitations and
perils that are associated with it the
hills the low SP speed limit I think 25
or 30 miles an hour they change it every
once in a while as soon as they get new
information but that's a problem and
I'll explain
this I also
see as a critical
fact
the present situation of Oak Street
having two dead
ends at The
Canal at the cross street canal and also
the canal on 48th Street that's at
Phoenix but that limits the
street it's a minor minor
artery there is nothing and I defy the
board to check this out there is nothing
in the way of
development along that limited Oak
Street
Corridor that would rival the density of
this particular project
that's very
important nothing exists Mr O you're out
of time do you think you could wrap up
your comments I'm sorry you're out of
the three minute time could you how much
time do I have you had three minutes to
okay in any event I think the people
that are most important here are the
future prospective residents they're
expected to be planned to be lower
income people and if they're lower
income people they need access to basic
Transportation it's a hike to McDow to
Thomas that's where the transportation
lines I don't think planning has planned
in any change in terms of the
transportation lines those people need
access to Transportation I will leave an
envelope my comments to City staff over
there and I thank you again for the time
thank you we have one one final speaker
I'm struggling with the last name and
the writing is a little tough but I'll
do my best Paul uhas Valas thank
you thank you Miss councilwoman and
members I'm not quite as long-term
resident in the area as Tom and John
I've only spent 10 years in uh Papo
butes which is behind this to the
North like they said it's completely out
of character for the neighborhood the
level of density if you look at that
sight plan you've got no direct access
and you three deep walking into that if
you've been on Oak you know what Tom was
saying as far as how much traffic Oak
can support I encourage you before you
approve this that you spend a little bit
of time in papao bees Sherwood Heights
Heritage East which is directly next
door and and see the flavor of that
neighborhood Scottdale is losing what
Scottdale was and you know if you look
at the development in the South End
Scottdale the traffic flow the density
the noise we're losing what made us
special and this development is key to
this they could take this and and pair
it down to a reasonable
number get more money for their units
and leave the neighborhood intact
instead what they're doing is jamming as
much as they can in to make as much
profit as they can and you don't really
care about the existing neighborhood
that's where you're come in you have the
say say is as to you know what
Scottsdale is now and what it is in the
future and if it's you know La where
everybody's crammed in where you park
your car and have to walk Three deep to
get to your
apartment that's not what we are that's
not the quality that we've had and I
implore you to go out and spend some
time there and really get a feel for the
neighborhood and the long-term residents
that are there that love and care and
cherish that place and don't look at it
as a
bank thank you
thank you would the applicant like to
address any of the comments and again I
just want to remind the audience that
this location is zoned for the density
it's not a zoning case today we're going
to be discussing design
matters thank you thank you council
member commissioner members of the board
and the residents for your comments we
appreciate them um council member as you
stated uh the zoning is in place uh the
city agrees that this use of service
residential could support up to 12 units
to the acre uh we are below that um you
know we understand the context and we
understand the comments but those are
matters of opinion um the fact of the
matter is the zoning is in place um
relative to traffic I think we touched
on that a moment ago there we we did do
a traffic analysis we are able to show
that the counts are less we believe the
site access is adequate the city Traffic
Engineers agree with us we worked hand
and glove with them on that um as far as
far as it's related to uh notifications
as we stated we sent out uh within the
750t radius I believe the number was 167
notifications and four separate
neighborhood workshops you know open
houses so folks could come learn about
the project so we did our part in
sharing information with the public um
we do have all those comments in the
case packet too so absolutely absolutely
and then just to to kind of answer one
quick question you know there was a
comment about uh these being lower
income units that is that is not the
case um you know this is targeted for uh
business professionals think doctors and
lawyers you know people who are going to
be here you know after A Hard Day's Work
you know being able to come to this
amenity uh flush project and be able to
sit on that deck and look at Camel Back
Mountain over with a glass of wine I
mean we've intentionally designed this
more as a resort fi this is an asset to
the neighborhood not a liability so I
want to make sure that we're clear about
that with that I am happy to answer any
other questions that you all have
otherwise I'll take a seat respectfully
request your approval any other
questions from board
members commissioner young thank you um
could we go back to some of the
elevations of the the units and maybe in
the
clubhouse would you prefer the clubhouse
uh this is fine so explain to me what
we've got going on with the materials on
these buildings it looks like most
everything is is stuckos is that correct
it's correct depending on the level of
complexity and the questions we do have
our architect here that could answer
these questions okay because I'm I'm
just trying to see the parallels between
you know Heritage East to the west of
this High View to the east um Sherwood
Heights which I'm very familiar with I
live in the neighborhood also sure uh
which are all slump block CMU painted
CMU
um they're they just got material
materiality of those is very different
than this and I would like you know it'd
be nice to see a little bit more than
just you know and I hate to say stucco
boxes but this is a very geometric style
of of
architecture um to to possibly see some
other introduction of materials in there
to be more compatible with the area um
walk me through the and maybe your
architect can can speak to some of that
I think it would be best for him since
it's his project for him to present that
okay David do you want to come up and
discuss the
project my name is David dick I'm an
architect um I actually live in
Scottsdale on Cherry Lin in in South
Scottdale um there was a an inspection
of the neighborhoods around around uh
the papao and what we did is we saw the
block and so what you'll see is an
incorporation of the Block in the site
walls and the areas that are um uh up
front as far as that are confin
containing the backyards so there wasn't
uh there is a deliberate attempt to add
the block into the designs and if you
look back at some of the drawings that
were put up the block walls are on there
to pick up the block that's in the
neighborhood
no they're not on these there was one
that we sent
earlier yeah
it's
not so that the site walls you see will
all be um slump block
walls
okay okay so the frontage walls that are
along Oak are going to be you say they
slump block there slump block and then
you'll see some the site walls that
separate the the yard spaces those will
be block also the yard the yard spaces
in between each unit yeah and so you'll
see and because of the orientation of
the units you'll start to see the blocks
the block wall facing the streets so
that you'll pick up block wall in the
texture of the neighborhood okay off the
block wall
so let's can we take a look at the west
elevation of of the clubhouse cuz that's
going to be the most visible from the
neighbors to Heritage East they have
their their rear yards that face that is
that the bottom elevation yes that's the
west
elevation yeah that would be the West
elev no this is the East let me flip one
more sorry my eyes it would be the top
elevation is the elevation that would
face the subdivision to the
West the top one okay
could you flip to the next slide what
was the one that I was seeing there was
just four uh yeah the bottom one correct
so the bottom one is the elevation on
the East Side East Side okay that faces
into the subdivision into our
subdivision all right well just the the
north the West the South all look to
have a fair amount of detail to them and
then the East Elevation looks to be kind
of devoid of and it's hard to tell the
different planes that are going on there
um it just looks a little flat to me um
I think the elevation is is difficult
but part of that elevation is the
mailboxes and so what it is is we're
giving a covered mailbox area that is
going to give it the definition if you
saw the threedimensional renderings you
can see it is it is relatively um
geometric and U the elevations I think
read flat the way that they're presented
for Dr
do we have a 3D are there 3D elevations
yeah they were some of the some of the
can staff load the applicants
presentation
right it's
gone I can't find
it
okay that's what I got
to
the basically the piece you're looking
at you can see that it is there is a lot
of articulation and the piece that's on
the right of the entry is where the
mailboxes and uh that kind of gathering
area for the neighborhood and then you
can see that the second level actually
can levers past the lower level so there
is articulation front to back all the
way around and so it is not it is a very
broken uh geometry in specifically to
match the units the houses that are to
the West it is not flat it is very
broken okay thank
you comments questions from our board
am I the only one that has comments ice
chair brand um a clarification on the
the paint color the the white color
that's being used on as a material is
that within our um LR suggested lrv
range that's a question for for
staff okay it's coming across on the
rendering
is that could also be a question for
staff for Casey as
well actually sorry I can't do that the
color that is presented the light color
was actually worked with the staff um
and I don't have the color in front of
me specifically but it was a color that
had been improved before several times
with other buildings and so it fell into
our into the desert range and the lrv
that was something you guys were
comfortable with so
yes um Can the can Casey can you
elaborate on that we don't have access
to other cases
are we'll see if we can get uh Vice
chair we'll see if we can get my
uh all right so the we're looking at for
the two stuckos we're looking at lrvs of
21 and 63 we generally shoot for 70 oh
so it's under 70 for the the white in
the renderings the white looks like it's
a really bleached out white color so
it's actually under 70 which is well
within range I appreciate that correct
um I was just going to make comments on
the overall um site planning and design
I do want to say thank you for the team
for preserving what I would consider a
mid-century one of the few remaining
kind of mid-century monuments in the
area I mean my background personally in
the area is that I have several families
and friends that live um I think it's on
winthrip this is just north northwest of
this area area so I'm in this area a lot
and I play volleyball at the Elks Club
so I'm very familiar with with the site
here um again a 25 year um resident out
here in scottsvale and I'm raising a
family as well so um I'm particularly
someone who's dialed into the
residential um industry in in
particular um and I actually really like
to see developments like this because I
I do feel that from a how you're
approaching the development strategy we
we tend to see
the front door parking lot style parking
arrangements with every single unit
having a direct
driveway and parking lot and that
orientation tends to not create great
walkable communities it is very
convenient for someone taking their
groceries home but it also creates a lot
more um parking field a lot more asphalt
I do feel like the way that this project
has been approached it is something that
creates a much more walkable Community
forward um with that Community forward
meaning it's encouraging residences to
bypass each other and to engage with
each other through shared walkable
Pathways um I I do like that the the
orientation of the clubhouse the
organization of the site I think has has
been done really well and again the
rehabilitation and preservation of a
mid-century piece I think is is really
appreciated personally myself and I
think for on behalf of the city as well
I do think that design- wise the units
um I appreciate keeping the low rise um
you know under the 18 ft and
significantly under the 18 ft of the
height limit for for these units
typically when we see projects
um of this typology they're pressing up
against the the Heights and it's
multi-story you're asking for
multi-story up against single story
properties which is not the case here so
I appreciate that that the building
height is being kept at a a real minimal
height here so personally as I've
reviewed the the details of the case I I
do like what's being proposed here and I
I think it's um while it is um out of
character maybe for the neighborhood
that is directly adjacent to here and
and I I do hear all of the the
conversation that's happening um it's
also a different approach to a a
mid-range density that we don't see
typically here in Scott sale so it is
something different but I don't think
that that is necessarily a bad thing
because I I do think that the L layout
and the way that this has been
approached is um is a slightly different
way of approaching housing um and I hope
that it it Bears success and it um does
create that um that type of housing that
I think that that incoming and first
house families are Desperately Seeking
here in scottsvale so appreciate that
application as well as the the plan
that's being put
forward Vice chair bran thank you for
your comments we appreciate
it I'm just gonna quickly say that I
tend to agree with those comments what
we hear a lot up here on the dis is that
folks are angry about lots of tall dense
boring apartment buildings and everyone
tells us that they want different types
of housing particularly single family of
course it's difficult to do on a smaller
site um I appreciate that you're again
keeping it low of allowing a different
type of um housing for our community
which we keep hearing um agree maybe I
would I would say that we hear the term
thrown around a lot missing middle and
this is the actual definition of missing
middle housing this is this is what it
looks like this is a failed commercial
site um and I know that the state
legislature right now is really leaning
heavily on uh failed commercial that has
an opportunity to provide mixed use or
residential instead um so that's another
pressure that's Weighing on us as well
um I I mean something's going to get
built here MH and I believe you've done
an interesting job of using up this
particular space um I think board member
young uh had some interesting I mean
that that weighs on me too at least in
the renderings it looks a little boring
but it's always so hard to tell in a 2d
on a 2d picture what the end product is
going to look like this board is
incredibly quiet I wish we could get
more
participation I would encourage the
applicant to show parking shade
structures and garages and your
renderings in the future for mle point
and and communicated to to my client
yes council member capy thank you for
your comments we appreciate the
feedback and renderings will in the
future include all structures perfect
does uh do any other board members have
any comments board member faki I miss
hearing from you
yes board member paser uh Mason sorry
since we're talking about the parking
structures the Shaded covered parking
areas are you I noticed that your
buildings had solar panels on top will
there be any solar panels on the parking
areas solar panels on parking areas is a
thumbs up so yes okay very good I really
did like this project I thought it was
well done and I
second all the comments have been made
before I think this is be an excellent
project and excellent addition to Scott
Still's housing issues thank
you board member Mason thank you if
there are no further comments do does
any board member want to make a
motion I'll make a motion I'll move to
approve case 16
dd-224 per the staff recommended
stipulations after finding that the
development application meets the
development review board criteria
second councilwoman caputi yes Vice
chair brand yes commissioner young um
before I vote I guess I would just like
to say I I do wish that the project um
had a little bit more materiality
compatibility with the adjacent
neighborhoods I think that by just
having that facade along Oak Street um
it's a nice gesture but I think it's um
very different on the inside I I think
because of you know the the missing
rendering that didn't have the garages
the parking canopies I've been in
communities like this um in different
parts of the valley and it has a very
different look to it um you know without
having some of these 3D perspectives of
the rest of the community it's a little
hard for me to kind of grasp exactly
what this is going to end up being at
the end of the day um and I know that
you had said that in the future you'll
include those things but this is the
time that we needed it because after
today you guys are going to permit
drawings and then probably to
construction shortly after that so um
you know with that I'm gonna I'm a no
vote on this
one I apologize can you please confirm
are you voting no that's correct okay
thank you board member pzer yes board
member
faki board member me
yes board member Robinson
yes motion passes 5 Z thank you thank
you thank
you okay we're gonna just real quickly I
to clarify that's a five to one vote yes
thank you correct I apologize 5 to one
thank
you uh moving on to agenda item number
six
26d 2024 honor Health Shay parking
garage good afternoon councilwoman
caputi commissioner young and
development review board members uh I'm
Brian KF with the city's current
planning department I'm going to give
you a brief overview of the proposal for
the honor Health sha parking garage uh
case 26d
2024 uh the specific request this
afternoon is for approval of the site
plan landscape plan and building
elevations for this uh four-story
parking garage with 472 parking
spaces the site location is within the
honor Health Shay campus uh at Shay and
90th Street as you can see highlighted
in yellow here a closer look at the site
uh identifies the proposed parking
garage location with the yellow star
towards the southwest corner of the
existing
development the existing site is zoned
special campus and also within the
planned Community District um across the
street to the West as a shopping center
um and then to the east across the green
belt is additional Shea campus area uh
and further uh commercial to the east to
the South is the city's Mustang library
and to the north is some uh residential
and other commercial properties
the proposed site plan here shows the
location of the new parking structure uh
within the development um you can see
the existing building kind of wrapping
around to the North and the East uh site
circulation uh is going to be remaining
pretty close to as it exists today uh
the access off of 90th Street is the
existing driveway and the driveway
although being slightly reconfigured
along the west and south is existing um
access to the structure is provided on
uh in West the west side of the building
and South as I mentioned it's four
stories um and is going to include
approximately 472 spaces I believe the
current uh surface lot has about 190
spaces so it'll be a gain of about 282
parking spaces um to the north uh and
East in between the building you can see
um some enhanced uh Hardscape and
Landscaping um there all will also be
some Landscaping new Landscaping
provided along 90th Street
um it does also include a second level
uh bridge that accesses the uh Hospital
building uh directly from the parking
structure here's a look at the landscape
plan um to give you an idea a little bit
of The Hardscape and the planting
that'll go in uh along 90th Street uh is
uh pales uh and and a lot of densely
planted shrubs uh along there there's
Landscaping provided adjacent to the
building uh to Pro provide a base uh on
the back side of that
driveway these are the proposed building
elevations uh the four story structure
is approximately 52 ft uh to the highest
point um here on the top is the north
elevation the bottom is the West um so
this is uh the most prominent elevations
that you'd be seeing uh from 90th Street
um there is some it's a cast concrete uh
construction and then there's uh
perforated metal detailing that'll be
across the
facades then here the East Elevation
that's facing towards the hospital
building is on the top and then the
South elevation to this on the
bottom um here's uh identifying some of
that detailing uh that's on the building
um those patterns there are the
perforated metal panels uh with a Bronze
finish uh that'll be across the facade
and then the proposed uh paint colors um
that are that would be on the rest of
the
building here's some uh 3D renderings of
what the uh new parking structure would
look
like um then to close the presentation
again the request this evening is for
approval of the site plan landscap plan
and building elevations for the new
structure uh that concludes staff's
presentation happy to answer any
questions if you have uh for staff and
the applicant team is also here with a
presentation great let's um unless there
are any questions let's hear from the
applicant thank
you hello good
afternoon my name is Fatima Garcia I'm
part of LGC and we're here with a design
build
team um here about the existing
condition
right now like um Brian mentioned is an
existing surface parking lab with 190
spaces um it's often completely full and
for this reason owner heal provides AV
valid services for patients which is
very critical for labor and delivery
which is uh in the building uh with a
new parking instructor we're going to
provide 472 spaces and like he mentioned
it's going to be directly connected on
the second floor with a bridge which is
uh directly connected to labor and
delivery
this view is showing a narrow view of
the parking garage and the hospital
campus which shows the bridge that is
connecting to the hospital um and it's
located in the corner where here in this
view it's been part of the cus
development plan at this location also
with a landscape design and the heart
heartscape design and the site plan uh
it complies with the design guidelines
from this uh campus development plan
this is the view in the corner from N
Street this is the Northwest view uh
this is one of the views that is from uh
the most public portion of it we're
using aluminum planel um aluminum metal
plan panels uh with a um costume uh
pattern and we using those in a specific
locations in areas that are going to be
in um viewtiful the street and we work
with a staff um
from City scet to make sure that
location of these panels are um going to
be located in the most impactful places
so they're going to be in areas where um
they can be seen through N Street so
another thing that we're doing in these
Corners is uh providing treatment in the
stairwell which is located in the corner
here that has a lot of impact from the
street side um we're also providing
different colors of paint
uh that do go along with the existing
colors of the hospital but also with a
desert color
palette and this is the material board
that show those uh paint colors that
we're talking about that provide um the
play along with a hospital colors but
also with a desert palette and is
showing the costume uh metal
panels This is the other view that
working with C CES staff we thought it
was very impactful from N Street this is
the southwest corner uh another thing
that we did here was a use of mural in
the corner to play with a different
heights um at the use um of this corner
with transitions from the four stories
to the ramp uh and again the use of the
metal uh panels in here making sure that
covers the area where the public is
going to be driving through the through
the street and see p the garage is
this is a view that shows the bridge
that is connecting the garage to labor
and delivery like we're saying providing
the service to one of the Departments
that is very popular and one of the most
critical users of this parking
garage this is a view of the plaza this
Plaza is between the garage and the
hospital uh this also functions as a
fire lane access but one thing that's
important here for us was more function
and this is to provide an area of rest
fight and stress relief for patients and
users so for here for us was more the
use of uh landscape and Hardscape for to
provide this area of Rel for
patients and we just want to close again
with this view um from Northwest uh with
the use of metal and plain colors and
using this slide also to respond I think
we received a couple questions from
aboard member and one of them is um we
designed the structure to be able to
hold a fifth floor and the question is
if we seek an approval for a f for a
fifth level and at this point uh we're
going for permit for construction for
four floors based on the budget of the
construction that we have but owner help
wants to keep that door open for a
future phase of the four of the five
floors and the five floors can be for a
um parking level or a B occupancy just
for um adaptive reviews in that case so
I guess the approval will be for just
like Master planning a fif FL
level and then the second question was
if for the elevation on the east side
and part of the southide if we can be
including more of these metal panels so
when we work with the city during the
preapplication process we have a lot of
conversations about how to make those uh
elevations that were more visible from
Nar street that were more visible to the
public uh we work with them to make sure
that that's where we provide the most
use of those metal panels based on the
budget that we have for this project so
with the city staff we were able to
relocate and use the most area of the
metal panel that we have for the Project
based on our budget and with this we
made a decision that the most impact was
going to have in the places that we're
showing today so the areas where you
don't see a lot of metal panel which is
kind of in the plaza area towards the
hospital and kind of in the south east
area those are more on the internal side
of the hospital where not a there's not
a lot of public View and there's more
landscape treatment in that
area so that is it any more questions
thank you are there any questions from
the
board board member Mason I was the one
that raised the question about the the
fifth floor and about the uh panels so
my question is if you're thinking of
going to the fifth floor you it's you're
just stressing the building for the
fifth floor you don't know what what
it's going to be when you come back and
ask for it is is that correct correct so
it depends on how the needs for the
hospital grows at that point if it's
going to be for more parking or if the
parking needs decrease at that point if
it's going to be for something else so
it's more like Master planning for the
future so right now that isign for the
structure is designed to bear that load
but it's not known at this point what
that's going to be okay been looking at
the design if you were to add a fifth
floor and it's IL defined now how it's
going to be this going to be certainly
issues blending your existing facade
with the new facade and I don't know if
that's been thought of or not it's been
thought to a certain point if it's a
it's a parking floor another level of
parking um the the system of the metal
panels are designed in such a way that
can be extended for another floors it's
just adding an extension uh and we also
starting the maximum height that is
allowed in this parking lot and we don't
exceed it and then it's designed for a v
occupancy we also did uh did some
studies of elevations and how those work
uh so we were able to see if it's like a
glass uh facade or something like that
how we can articulate those to make it
work uh so there were some design of
like the column grid and things like
that to make it work in the future so we
kept the doors open for on our help on
whatever that needs are going to be uh
when that this s decision comes okay and
I understand what you mean by budget
limitations for putting metal panel on
the other surfaces and I see what you
mean there one question did arise and
it's probably not in the purview of what
we're seeing here it's just a question
in terms of stressing floors to the
parking lot are they stressed for
existing cars or are they stressed for
the extra weight of EVS what was the
question I'm sorry EVS as you know wear
considerably more than gasoline cars and
with with projected which may or may not
happen growth of EVS is the parking
garage set to to accommodate of BS we
got a um a variance for that just
because of the nature of this parking
garage um being for patients for labor
and delivery and the hospital wants to
avoid having people park there for three
hours charging the car when there's an
emergency so we work with uh city of SC
they having a variance and since this is
a big Hospital campus if there's another
way to provide that kind of uh
requirement that was my question about
charging the question was
about building design to support the
weight of the cars oh yes I'm sorry yes
it is it is designed to support the
weight of the cars and is and what of
was same for the fifth floor is designed
to support a fifth floor with a weight
of the cars but also a v occupancy in
case that's what they want to do in the
future okay thank you very much I like
it I have a question can you can you
elaborate is what is the the
construction type of the garage is this
a cast in place type one garage is a um
pts lab and and what was
that post Eng so it's a post engine slab
okay so this is not a pre-cast double te
garage okay I was wondering that cuz I'm
looking at the underside of the reflect
the the ceiling finish so there actually
are going to be finished ceilings on
this garage or is it exposed concrete
with mounted lights or it's Expos
exposed concrete and we're trying to um
put all the conduits and everything
inside that um as laab as possible so
you're burying the conduits in the in
the slot okay yeah and so the the
spandrels that are on the edge of the
garage are turned up concrete up to the
42 or 46 in whatever you're doing yeah
okay um well that's great um that
answers actually quite a few questions
because some of them were about the
delineation of the bottom level of the
garage with a separate paint color so
you're going to have a essentially a a
control joint or something like that
that you don't have you're not just
having two lines of paint right next to
each other there's a there's a gap or a
gasket of something some sort yeah
between the column and the and the beam
that's going across
there yeah okay um the other question I
have is about I appreciate your what you
were talking about with the so this is
being size and structured for an
Adaptive reuse in the future for
occupiable um Hospital space is that
correct okay um the other question I
have is regarding the ground level floor
plan it by the way I I love the layout
out and the design of the garage I two
additional questions on the on the on
the layout of the ground level floor
plan it appears that you have a
significant number of ada8 stalls that
are that have Pathways that are
traveling behind the
vehicles let me see if I can go back I
don't know if you have that I know staff
had the the plan up I think you can see
it on the S let me see if it's visible
or not no this is a n
one I think was on the staff it was in
the staff presentation just something to
note I don't know if you have a variance
on that or not but from a
federal well was uh the layer of the Ada
the travel pathway for accessibility is
traveling behind a significant amount of
parking stalls which you're not
permitted to do so okay we can take a
look at that I I we verify the distances
but we can double to yeah you can't you
can't travel behind behind Park cars so
you're going to have to exit all of
those onto directly on to where you have
landscape areas and it's currently not
designated that way right now in your
site plan so I would note to to staff um
also we don't want to end up in a
situation where you don't have enough
accessible parking stalls because of the
access configuration so okay I'll in in
a motion for approval I'll ask anyone
who's making a motion to include um
coordination with staff for the Ada
access uh for the accessible uh parking
stall alignments um I don't have any
other uh the only other question I had
is it seems like the the tree can and
the tree selections that are on the
entry drive that leads to the drop off
um are represented on a pretty low
height what's the what's the five or 10
your height of the trees that are that
are planted and it looks like in kind of
a off- red color right now yeah and I
don't remember our memory I think we
have
the they represent plants but we work
with that represented pretty modestly on
the rendering which is surprising
usually you see over representation of
tree height yeah and these look
under I
would I would defer I would defer the
tree species in height to our resident
expert commissioner Young on the panel
but I do want to say that the compos
development plan have very specific
guidelines about landscape on the
different areas of the hospital campus
so we were um strictly following those
for these areas as well okay so there's
a pallet that's been determined by the
hospital okay yeah I don't think we have
that plan unfortunately yeah there
there's a pretty extensive guideline
that was done probably 12 15 years ago
yeah for both campuses so yeah and I
I'll end my comments with being thankful
that this project is going to be built
because it is terrible to park here
having visited um and my own children
and the labor dep is absolutely a
nightmare to figure out parking in this
area could not agree more I had three
three children in this particular
Hospital thinking that you may be towed
like you're like I have no idea if I can
park here or not
anyway thank you thank you any other
comments or questions from board
members um I mean I wish all parking
could be underground of course but given
that it can't and this is an above
ground parking garage I think you've
done an exceptional job making it
visually pleasing and again I can't
think of another location in our city
that's more desperately in need of
better parking I've never been able to
park at the at the honor house Shay so
without driving around several times um
I'm perfectly in support as well uh and
with that unless anyone else wants to
make the
motion
chair
uh I I'll make a motion or do you want
to make a motion I was going to make a
motion go ahead Joe oh move to approve
case 26d 2024 per the staff recommended
stipulations after finding that the
development application meets the
development review board criteria with
the added stipulation that the applicant
work was staff on the Ada stall routing
uh that meets all applicable codes um
State and
National a
second councilwoman caputi yes Vice
chair brand yes commissioner young yes
board member paser yes board member
faki board member Mason yes board member
Robinson yes motion passes 60 thank you
thank you thank you good luck with your
project our final item for today is
number seven on the regular agenda ele
2025 election of the vice chair of the
development review
board I would
entertain um
nominations I believe commissioner young
and I are not participating so I would
entertain motions from the rest of the
board for this year's Vice
chair I'd make a nomination
for board member bran to continue for
another
year I second
that I accept that
nomination I
agree right we're still going to do a
roll call vote correct um and I think we
Dro we lost board member faki but uh why
don't we take a roll call
Vice chair brand I'm not sure if you can
vote for yourself but I think you can
actually I have to okay yes okay board
member peer yes board me board member
Mason yes board member Robinson yes okay
motion
passes four to zero excellent thank you
congratulations Vice chair brand
excellent choice and uh I
suppose with that it's been an absolute
pleasure serving as the chair of this
board the last two months and I would
call for an
enjoinment thank you so moved