Development Review Board - April 17, 2025

My
apologies. Uh, good afternoon and
welcome to the Scottsdale Development
Review Board public meeting. The purpose
of the development review board is to
maintain the quality of development in
Scottsdale by reviewing all of the
design aspects of a proposed development
and the relationship of its design
components to the surrounding
environment and community. The board
also reviews all preliminary plats for
subdivisions to asssure conformance to
policies and ordinance requirements. The
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administrative report, meetings,
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Thank you for your time and interest. We
will now begin the meeting with the roll
call.
Vice Mayor Dubasquez present. Vice Chair
Brand here. Commissioner Ertell
here. Board member Peaser here. Board
member Fee present. Board member Mason
Mason. Board member Robinson
six present. Thank you.
Uh public comment for non-aggendaized
items. Citizens may address the members
of the development review board during
public comment. Um, public comment time
is reserved at the beginning of the
meeting for citizens to comment on
non-aggendaized item. Do we have any
public comments today?
Vice Mayor Dubasquez, we do not. Okay.
Not for non-aggendaized items. Okay,
great. Uh, we'll move to the
administrative report. Thank you again
and good afternoon. Um, we are just real
quickly, we just want to state that
there will be a meeting in two weeks on
the 15th. We have a couple items on that
agenda, so hopefully we see you all
there today. Um, and I do not think we
have any uh agenda or comment cards on
any items on the agenda, but we will be
presenting as staff and the applicants
are also here to present for those items
when we get to those. Um, other than
that, that concludes my administrative
report. Thank you. You said that we will
have a meeting on May 15, correct? May
one. Mayif uh May one, we will also have
a meeting. I'm sorry. Yes. Okay. Thank
you. Yep. All right. We'll move on to
the approval um of the March 20th DRB
meeting minutes. Do I have a motion?
Yes, I'll make a motion. Move to approve
the regular meeting minutes March 20th,
2025 development review board meeting as
presented. Second.
Vice Mayor Dubosquez. I. Vice Chair
Brand. Yes. Commissioner Ertal.
Yes. Board member Paser. Yes. Board
member Fiki. Yes. Board member Mason.
Yes.
Motion passes 6. Thank you.
Thank you. All right. We'll move on to
the regular agenda. Um the first item is
the bishop. Do we have a presentation?
Hello and good afternoon. Vice Mayor
Dasquez, Vice Chair Brand, and
development review boards members. I'm
Brian Kluff with the city's planning
department. I'm going to give you a
brief overview of the bishop uh case
12DR 2024.
The specific request this afternoon is
for approval of the site plan, landscape
plan, and building elevations for a new
three-story mixeduse development that
includes 17 dwelling units and
approximately 4,300 square ft of
commercial floor area on a 1.13 acre
site. Uh the site we're looking at is
located within uh the Oldtown area uh
near the uh Goldwater curve there on the
south end. It is east west of Scottsdale
Road and fronts on Second Street to the
north. Here's a closer look at the
subject site at Second Street in Bishop.
Um you can see some existing structures
on the building. Uh there was a
previously a restaurant there that's
been vacant for a number of years as
well as a a smaller office building on
the south end of the site. Um the site
has uh since been demolished and cleared
uh in anticipation of the future
development. Uh the surrounding area is
uh mostly other lowscale commercial uses
and uh residential in the
area. The existing zoning is uh
commercial C3 in our downtown overlay uh
which does allow the proposed mixeduse
development as shown today.
This is a look at the proposed site plan
uh for the mixeduse development. Uh on
this graphic, I'll note that north is to
the left of the screen. Uh so we have
Bishop Lane on the top and Second Street
over here. Uh the three-story building
uh includes commercial office space at
the at the hard corner here at Second
and Bishop. um some podium surface
parking uh that will serve the
commercial development. And then the 17
units uh above and what you can see on
the ground floor here are the garage
spaces for the residential units that
front the alley side uh with access to
those private garages via the alley. Uh
the site plan also includes uh new 8ft
sidewalks and landscaping across both
frontages.
Uh here's a look really quick at the
landscape plan. Uh so you can kind of
see some of that pedestrian circulation
there. Uh the new sidewalks. Um the
existing uh parallel parking along
Bishop and Second Street will be
remaining. Um the uh street trees along
there are a mosquite species to uh help
shade the sidewalk. There are also
building overhangs that will provide
shade for the pedestrian along these
street frontages.
Uh here's a look at some of the building
elevations on on this screen here is the
east on the top and the west elevation
on the bottom. Uh you can see it is a
three-story building uh capping out at
about 36 feet in height. Uh that's
exclusive of the mechanical unit on the
mechanical equipment on the
roofs. And then on the right hand part
of the slide here you can see the north
elevation uh and then the south
elevation. that south south elevation is
a common property line uh zero lot line
condition there. Um and then on the left
you can see some of the materials that
are proposed on the building elevations.
Uh there is a variety of materials used
across the building. Um there's concrete
stucco um some some metal mesh block um
and then also some uh veneer as well as
some some faux wood sighting.
Um getting into some of the uh
architectural perspectives. Uh this is a
view of that east elevation fronting on
Bishop. A quick look at the north
elevation on Second
Street. And then this is a look down
that pedestrian walkway that's along
North Bishop. So you can see how some of
the uh landscaping and building
overhangs uh provide shade for that
walkway.
Uh so just really quick to summarize the
action requested this afternoon as for
approval of the site plan, landscape
plan and building elevation uh for the
mixeduse development that we've just
reviewed. That concludes staff's
presentation. Happy to answer any
questions and the applicant team is also
here uh with a presentation prepared and
available for questions. Thank you.
Thank you. I think I'd like to see that
presentation, please.
good afternoon, madame vice mayor.
Um, I'm CP Druit with Druit Works and
this is my partner Gordon Barry. We're
both with Pario Development.
Um just to run through the project
quickly. Um we've been working alongside
the staff here at Scottsdale now for
more than two years and it's been a it's
been a long arduous road, but I'm
thankful that uh we have such a
partnership and it's been great working
with Brian.
Um so presently we're
um we have 17 luxury condos. We have a
ground floor commercial office space
approximately 4700 square ft. Uh and
then that office space is also uh has a
second story element
opportunity here. uh the office space
then or commercial space could reach
upwards of 6,800 to 7,000 square
feet. Um we're well under our density uh
density numeric are we could have 35
units per zoning and we're at 17. Um and
then we're within height
compliance. Uh one of the larger
objectives of the project was to really
elevate and heighten the pedestrian
experience. Uh now now in this
developing museum district. Um so we
really wanted to have a building that uh
conveyed the art district and and
provided great opportunities uh for
pedestrian and passageway through. It's
a good connective tissue between
Scottsdale Road and some of the other
future developments that we're looking
at coming on board here in Scottsdale.
Um so it just adds a nice cohesive um um
communication of the building to
pedestrians
um upward. Uh the building steps back
and this east facade on the building it
was really critical that we activate it.
So a lot of our outdoor living spaces
are focused on on this fringe. Um so
this this whole this whole facade was
one of our larger objectives.
Uh we have uh desert muted tones that
we've used across the project as we'll
see further in
um in in further
slides.
Um this is a approximate schedule um
that we're hopeful um and we're you know
hope we're hopeful to to deliver the
units in the first quarter of 2027.
I'll run through some of our uh
renderings. This is that hard corner
that we've looked at multiple times. Um
and then we have of the 17
units, 12 of the units have access off
of the alley. Um and then five of the
units will enter off of that uh parking
area that's on that's facing east off of
Bishop.
This gives you a little more of an idea
on how the living spaces will engage uh
this eastern facade and indooroutdoor
environment. The the context of the
alleyway was important as you know was
further developments. One of the things
we partnered with Scottsdale is
expanding this alley. There was some
compressive areas along the alley. So,
we've um added dedicated etc. U some
additional um area along our site line
on our western border to get a nice
cohesive alleyway through because it was
a little checkered and this gives us a
nice thorough fra through there. Um and
then this is the the northern face. It's
the most visible face uh of the
building. Um, and I think again this is
where we're elevating that pedestrian
experience. This gives you an idea of
looking out of the units celebrating the
MD mountains and some of the distant
views. Again, our pedestrian
way. This gives you the context on the
lower portion of this slide of covered
commercial parking and the context of
the garage the private garage
units. This gives you a story of of the
materiality. Um primary material is a
combed limestone. Gives us nice uh
texture. It's nice warm desert desert
tonality. Uh we have uh zinc fascia
architectural
concrete. We're deploying hemlock
sophets on all the underside of our roof
lines. We have a multiple stucco color.
And then we're uh going to utilize our
uh some breeze blocks that are along the
east facade um that help separate the
parking from the pedestrian experience.
largely we're we're 50% below the max
the max
density. Um right sizing the project was
something that was very important to us.
um and you know as as to really play
into the hand of what the future zoning
and and other developments that are that
are underway in this
area and we're available for questions.
Thank you. Do we have any questions for
the applicant or for the city staff?
My question concerns the western facade
where the garages are. I notice that you
have
um along there planters on planters on
both sides of the garage entryways.
Um is there concern or that those
whatever you put there will get out of
hand and get too large and could
interfere with either sightelines or
vehicle
traffic? Will you address that?
Certainly, we uh multiple things. Um we
could invite a stipulation on on what
the plantings are. I know that oftent
times those can grow and become a
sighteline hazard. Um we wanted to have
we would like to establish something
that could help assist in softening the
alleyway. Mhm. Um we'll also have an HOA
in place and we're glad to stipulate in
our HOA that uh both uh continual
maintenance andor species or it could
just be something that we a fix as part
of as part of the building landscape
package is something that would remain
that we could all find agreeable. Okay.
Thank you.
Question. Go ahead.
Um, this is George here.
Um, I first of all, I like the design. I
like the the way it looks. Um, I'm not
an expert certainly, but um, it does
look good to me. But you mentioned um
the applicant mentioned that it was a
two-year process to work through this
and then you anticipate another six
months, maybe roughly six months, uh to
get permitted. Um could both you and
staff talk me through, you know, what
the um what the the contributions were,
you know, um obviously it made the
project better, but I'm just curious why
it it uh you know, what went into it
that would take two years plus another
six months to get permitted.
A good bit of what the
timeline that that that ate up to two
years was
exploring the solution and this zoning
is and the zoning versus the site versus
the length of the site. It sort of uh
created multiple layers of
um we'll say opportunities on uh
creating a a facade and elevation that
would that would be compliant
and you know also a lot of this has just
been exploratory and looking at uh
different options. a great deal of the
time was spent in design rather than um
it wasn't a circular process. And then
with regard to our timing on on
permitting, uh we're currently underway
with our documentation and as of you
know how the outcome of today, we'll be
able to put a little further definition
on exactly the full timeline on delivery
of documentation and permitting.
Okay. So if I understand um most of the
time was um when the ball was in in your
hands um you know the this I'm probably
saying this in artfully but the city was
waiting on you rather than you are
waiting on the city. Is that fair
characterization or not? It's it's fair
to say I I don't think that any of the
the process on with regard to the city
uh was didn't add time per se. It's just
us Yes. Um coming back with different
iterations. It was just this iterative
process.
Okay. Well, an iterative process. So um
what required um you know to be
oversimplified why was it more than one
uh
iteration? I would say um searching for
the greatest and best use for the site
uh with both from an economic standpoint
to a timing standpoint to the overall
valuation and achieving the best effort.
I mean there's endless options that we
could have put here and you doing the
proper market research and things to
find out you know greatest and best use.
Okay. All right. Thank you very much.
Question. Thank you council woman. Uh
just quick question. I love I love the
architecture. I mean you guys do amazing
work and uh this is I love the style. I
love the building. I just have a couple
of question on the material especially
the one here where we see it. I think
this your uh southern elevation on the
screen and your west right actually the
north and the west. This what you have
here. Okay. Can you know where you have
this kind of like a uh what can you tell
me a little bit about this material you
have especially the big uh architecture
feature where you have the back door I'm
assuming behind covering the stairways
here. Yes. This one. This piece. Yes.
That piece. Um, right now we're
exploring an architectural
concrete or a fiber reinforced concrete
cladding. And this is this is the reason
I asked because I mean we've seen those
looks beautiful when they started and
then through the weathering the wind you
know that uh the rain they start getting
colored really quick. So do you see this
is the material you're using will be you
know holding weather for a while
or concern about the concrete this
porous material is going to get whatever
you know get to it. So I don't know if
this is a concern for you guys or not.
Sure. Um, I I would I would think that
any any materiality that we use on this
face is something that we would use a
penetrating sealer and that would thwart
um any any of that sort of unfavorable
aging. And because it's recessed, I
think it's going to help out with um a
lot of the exposure. And it's on the
north side of the building. So just
northern northern building portions here
in our climate tend to not get hit as
hard. So I think the climate's a little
more gentle. Yeah. I just want to bring
this up. I obviously I will leave it up
to you and the staff just kind of like
for long-term uh maintenance appearance.
The second question I have is a flat
roof which usually we don't see much in
the commercial, right? Which is I mean
or
residential/condo. I don't see any
parapit here, right? You only have a
screening around the mechanical. I'm
assuming all of those mechanical
equipment are for all the units, right?
Not each unit has its own mechanical,
but there is no parapit. It just this is
the only area you have right now in the
perspective that's going to
be screened or I see more on the
uh west facade as
well. Correct. The the fascia is
approximately 32 in and that will leave
a 4-in curb on the roof side and our
anticipation is that we would use
tapered foam insulation or rigid foam
rigid tapered insulation with a tpo
roof. Uh and with that system we can
slope per code in the neighborhood of a
quarter inch per foot. Um, and right now
with all of our with all of our present
modeling, um, we're able to zero
everything out and keep a nice, um,
equally divided roof. And then we have
on this internalized roof drains and
we'll take the roof drains down and
connect into the storm. Okay. Can we can
we zoom in? Do you have anything about
this material you're using for screening
right now for the equipment? Because
this is going to show up on the southern
as well. Yeah, this one. Is there any do
you have anything that shows this
material? Um, I don't have right now.
What we're using on that is a
powdercoated steel. Uh, and it's
something it's uh arguably it's in this
image they're uh we're using steel
angles. So,
u we're getting a little bit of shadow
uh on on this uh just because of the the
rendering processing. But uh the the
metal would be powder coated that we use
for those surrounds and it would be in
keeping with the rest of the building.
So it wouldn't look as visually as as
heavy.
Yeah, this is this one I'm having hard
time envision. I think you know maybe
the the other architect or not the other
architect on the docket here could
explain more but uh I'm having a hard
time seeing the screen again. I love the
building. I love what you done. Uh this
screen here I'm having hard time see how
it fit with the architecture. It looks
okay here on this rendering but uh I
have never seen a screen that I felt
like it looks good when it end up being
installed. So I'm just curious on the
material honestly on this one. I don't
know if there is other option. Um and
I'm assuming whatever you have right now
for your uh duck is going to be all in
the top of the ceiling within the unit.
Right. You don't have any duct going in
on the top of the roof. It's all within
the unit. Correct. These would be roof
man and condenser units and all the air
handlers would be within the units. So
all the duct work would be within the
units.
Um also I mean this is this is one of
those images looking down into the
building from from an actual visibility
standpoint. It's it's not something that
a pedestrian or from from the street
level that would ever become visible. Um
and there's, you know, we're glad to
explore some other um options on maybe
doing something that could tie it into
the architecture closer. I would I would
really recommend I hope if if I mean if
it's just me obviously you don't want
the civil engineer just pushes screening
on you, but if everyone agreed um it
would be good to kind of like maybe
explore other uh screening option, maybe
work with staff and with some direction
from the board here. The one thing you
mentioned earlier when it come to the
line site I it seems like you have those
unit pretty close to the edges. So I
don't know if they can be central
somewhere where they don't get to be
seen from line side because when I look
at your western elevation it seems those
your unit are more on the edge of the
west elevation. So they will be really
visible from the street, right? They're
not like in the middle based on your re
the the logic on these mechanical units
was to have them closer proximity to the
alley side. Okay. Uh it's not on the
edge. It is in and it does these units,
the mechanical yards do live above a
primary closets. Um so they're in
a a the least sound sensitive area with
regard to our unit designs. Um, right
now
um without having the exact specificity
on the units, there could be an
opportunity to lower those. There could
be an opportunity to deploy some stucco
wall accents. Uh the intention was that
these would be very passive. The the
reality of the image and the rendering
is they look a little heavier than I
think actually they will be, but Okay.
So, I was good. Again, I like the
building. If there is a way on the
screening, positioning it from line
side, changing the material, I will be I
mean, I will leave it up to the other
board member here and how they feel
about it. But thank you. Great uh
project. Thank you. Thank you.
That really sounded like board member
Fakia was asking for for my opinion a
little. Anyway, I've got a couple I I do
have an opinion on that.
It appears that from a powder coated
steel standpoint, are you matching the
canopies on the ground level with the
the coating and the color of the steel?
I mean, just for for reference, from my
experience with the the I feel like the
mechanical screening that tends to look
bad is pre-manufactured products or B
deck or something like that that's up
there. So, something that's a a
powdercoated custom screening. Is that
what you're proposing here? is like
coated painted or coated angles that are
that are that are essentially a custom
screening alignment. Correct. The idea
was if we use steel angles visibility
looking up would be completely
mitigated. A lot of the prefabricated
if it's a mesh or perforated steel, you
can still see through it. Yeah. But the
idea of an angle would would be able to
block uh any visibility upwards and
downwards into Yeah. into those units. I
I actually really like that. I think
that's a that's a very good design
forward solution as opposed to a
pre-manufactured product that you're
just putting up there to to screen it. I
would I'm am hoping and suggesting that
that the aesthetic of the ground level
steel accents complement the rooftop
steel accents from a paint and finish
standpoint. I think that could help to
tie it together. I just really think
that the rendering probably
doesn't showcase what your solution is
up there. But personally, I I feel like
I I would be in support of the direction
that you're moving right now. Um, I
would also like to compliment the your
team. I think this is a really well done
project. Um, I've reviewed this back and
forth. Um, and a little bit of light on
Commissioner Ortel's comment is is, you
know, I really hope that you're
successful with this because I know that
takes a lot of time to nail down your
market and understand your unit sizes
and understand who you're catering to
and that process takes a long time. So,
I appreciate you guys continuing to move
forward and bring a great project to
Oldtown. My one comment that I have on
the design is really on the southern
facade, which it seems like your zero
lot line wall is is following the um
essentially the outline of the area that
you need to be uh rated and protected
for many openings. Um I know that that's
that property that's between there's
there's two projects going on here.
There's one on the south side and
there's one on the north side. It seems
like there's a remnant property right in
the middle. Is that correct? Yep. from
staff. Correct. I do know if I remember
correctly, the project to the south um I
think is doing another zero lot line
wall, but it's got like a CMU pattern
that's some sort of macro graphic. Not
not a ton of cost, but something that
and I would ask that that's something
that you do on the south. I'm not asking
you to coat it in a bunch of design
features, but something that breaks up
either the massing even like a you know
a 4 inch drop like something that I if I
don't know if you have an elevation of
that I think you have it somewhere or
Errol staff had it in the presentation.
I don't but
um me did can you go to Brian? Can we go
to your presentation Brian?
Yeah. Can we go switch back to the staff
presentation?
I know that's the last place that you
want to spend money on is is on the but
I but I do think for the time being
that's a it's a condition that is likely
going to be there for quite a while. I
think we could easily perforate that
facade as well. Yeah. So it's this
facade that you're referring to. It may
be as simple as just creating a base
condition with a color or texture on the
Is that is that intended to be a full
concrete wall down there pre-cast or
cast in place? this this current
presently is just a a plastered surface.
Um but I I think that there we could
definitely explore undulating that
facade some and even you know it's it's
a it's risky to put any fenistration on
that. But I think we could definitely do
some undulation. Yeah, I don't it could
be solved with texture and color. Um,
but I think just something that may
accent or create a base condition on
there or or a little bit of break up the
monotony of kind of that singular
uninterrupted surface would be would be
welcome. But I I would agree. I don't
think extensive festration, you probably
don't have the room to your property
line to do that anyhow. But something
with with texture and color that from a
macro sense would just engage that
facade would be great to see. That's my
that's my only comment on there um at
all in the project. So I I appreciate
the project. Thank you. Thank you.
Yeah. Well, first of all, I want to say
and agree with my fellow board members
that the project is really nice. It's
should do wonders for that area of the
city and for what's there.
Now, as far as the mechanical screening
goes,
um I've seen louvered mechanical screens
here in Scottsdale dating back to the
80s. So, it's to me it's not a new
concept. In fact, I like it for the fact
from a from a inspector's point of view,
I like it because it allows ventilation
to flow through the system, which is
extremely important. you start putting
hard mechanical equipment screens around
equipment and they you start having
failures. The other thing that I found
interesting on this that I like is the
use of the plant walls as u barriers
between
units. I' I don't think I can remember
ever seeing that before. Um, the only
concern I would have was, you know, that
they're properly maintained because if
they weren't, it could look really bad.
And what happens when they die? If
something if they b if they're the HOA
will immediately replace them, who's
responsible for maintaining them? Is it
the owner of the unit or do they have a
service that comes in and takes care of
them? But it's just a unique feature of
this project and I noticed it
immediately when I was looking at it and
I thought, "Wow, this is really cool."
you know. So, but that would be my only
concern about that would be who
maintains it and and to make sure that
it continues to live and provide this
the screening that it's that it's meant
to provide.
Well, it's utopic to think they'll all
live forever. Um, but I think certainly
we could add some verbiage in in in our
HOA
um that there's a level of maintenance
and I mean that's that's really all that
we could do uh in that regard. But I
think you know whether it's an HOA
mandated serviceability standpoint it is
in it is in a unit so that's a bit
invasive but I think it's it is
fortunately it's on it's on the the
forward face of the eastern facade so I
think visual inspections easy and I
think from from that standpoint it's
something that could be policed pretty
well. Well, it's such a visual item,
especially from the street, that kind of
adds to the whole building, I think. But
you can understand that if this thing
was allowed to grow wild, and then it
wouldn't look so great. So, that's that
was my only question as to how it's
maintained and what happens if a plant
dies if the HOA will come in and replace
it.
Do we have any other questions?
It sounds like there's a lot of interest
in your plants. So, it sounds like
there's a little bit of of language that
we'd like to see in your HOA um as far
as the maintenance and and making sure
that those uh are good. The um area that
you're developing in uh very much uh
needs a project like this. It needs an
uplift. And so I appreciate you being
thoughtful about the arts district and
bringing an offering that's appropriate
to that area. Um, and so with that, do
we have a
motion? Well, I'll formulate a motion.
I'm going
to move to approve case
12-dr2024 per the staff recommended
stipulations. Um in addition to
um a stipulation to ask the applicant to
work with staff on an appropriate
um appropriate um articulation to the
south south u zero lot wall.
Um and working with staff to make sure
that the
um plantings that are part of the uh
front elevation have um a maintenance
solution for them.
um after finding that the development
application meets the development review
board criteria and the additional
findings for a development in the
Oldtown area.
I'd second that.
Vice Mayor Dubosquez, yes. Vice Chair
Brand, yes. Commissioner Ertal,
yes. Board member Peaser, yes. Board
member Fi, yes. Board member Mason, I
would vote yes, but also would like to
include in the uh working with
staff the uh planters along the uh east
western facade.
All right. Can we I'll accept that
modification to say that it may be
modified that that plant materials have
a maintenance program associated with
them on the project.
Um, chair, do we need to redo that? So,
you have an amendment to your motion.
The second, I'm assuming, is okay with
that. Okay. Then then you can go ahead
and just vote.
Motion passes. 6.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
We'll move on to 35DR 2024 BB living at
Cavisson.
Uh thank you uh Vice Mayor Dubasquez,
uh Commissioner Ertell and board members
Greg Bloomberg with current planning
here to give you a brief presentation on
BB living at Cavisson. Uh this is a
project that consists of 191 town homes
and various site plan
improvements. Site is located uh on the
northwest edge of the Caban 130 acre
master plan community. You can see the
souththeast quadrant of that u master
plan has been almost fully developed.
This project and there's a project to
the south uh Toll Brothers is doing. So
these will be this project and the toll
project to the south will be the first
residential products as part of this
cavisson master plan. But it's basically
this project this uh location is at the
southeast corner of legacy and miller
road. A closer look at the location
again to the south uh would be a Toll
Brothers residential project. I believe
that's also town
homes. So this is the site plan and the
landscape plan combined.
Uh most of the landscaping is along the
perimeter which is uh very important to
the Cavisson uh folks. Um lots of trees
and ground cover along they have four
street frontages actually. So there's a
lot of uh buffering along all four
street frontages. Uh another key
component uh of this project from a
staff perspective was providing uh
connectivity pedestrian connectivity to
those streets and that is accomplished
for all four streets. Um, particularly I
was concerned about this uh eastern uh
uh street frontage because that's what
connects the site to the rest of the
project. So, anybody that wants to walk
over to the pitch restaurant, for
example, Cavisson would use one of those
exits. And there's also a circular park
at the center of the pro of the center
of the Cavisson uh project that's meant
to be a community gathering spot. And so
this connectivity to that Rell Road I
thought was rather was rather critical.
Uh there's also a dog park and amenity
area. Uh primary access is shared. Is
this the primary access or is this
considered secondary for you? That's
number one. Yeah, this is shared access
with the toll uh community to the south.
Uh went through a couple of different
design iterations, but that's what that
is. And then this is secondary access
off of Legacy Boulevard.
From an open space perspective, as I
mentioned, uh central amenity area, lots
of uh open space and streetscape alone
perimeter streets and each unit in this
community will have its own private open
space at ground level. Uh the units
along the south property line will have
larger areas uh private open space
areas, which I imagine is kind of just
uh to provide a little bit of buffer
from the from the toll project. uh but
uh pretty good open space uh distributed
throughout the
project. Uh there are two themes uh
proposed as part of this development.
There's the modern desert prairie which
this elevation shows. Um by the way
these elevations are about these
buildings are about 36 feet in height as
well. Uh there are various size
buildings. There's three plexes,
fourplexes, this is a sixplex elevation
here and there's also a sevenplex
elevation. So this is the modern desert
prairie
scheme and then there's a Spanish theme
as well uh as as uh displayed
here. And each each one of the uh themes
has three potential uh material and
color palettes all of which respond uh
favorably to our sensitive design
principles.
uh desert appropriate colors, sonor and
desert colors and various and a little
bit of variety in terms of the stone
that's being used to provide some visual
interest to the
buildings. And then this is the uh the
three options for the modern desert
prairie um
theme. Again, as a brief presentation
from staff, the applicant does have a
presentation if you if you'd like to see
it. Otherwise, I'll open it up for
comments or questions.
Let's see the applicant's presentation.
Good
afternoon. Um presentation is more about
kind of BB living as a whole. Um BB
living you know these will be four rent
units. Uh this is kind of this rendering
kind of shows the perspective at the
corner there of Miller and
Legacy. Um just kind of some background
on BB Living. We have um you know been
in business uh since 2011 projects
across the nation. Um built several
units over a thousand homes here in the
Phoenix metro area. And one of the key
things for BB Living is is we build
homes. We're not building apartments.
We're not building kind of the smaller
for rent side. We build homes. Everyone
has attached garages. In this case,
every unit has a their own driveway,
their own private backyard. Um so very
very important for us in terms of our
demographics and what we um kind of want
to are what we cater to as far as for BB
living. um kind of one of our, you know,
our tagline is we we build where people
want to live. And that's why we're very
excited about this project in the
Cavisson master plan in in
Scottsdale. Uh kind of an example, this
is a another project we we're building
currently in Mesa. Um these are town
homes that we're building in Mesa. Kind
of slightly different than what we're
proposing here on the Cabalaw master
plan. Again, very very high-end finishes
on the inside. Um, elevational on the
outside, you know, some very high-end u
materials. Um, couple other examples of
projects here we have done in the
Phoenix area. This is one in Gilbert,
um, BB Living at Val Vista and then one
currently we're we're leasing there at
up in Desert Ridge, kind of a duplex
project we're doing there.
Um and just some examples again what we
do in our communities are very high-end
amenities um from um pool spa tot lots
um on the Cavisson our BB living at
Cavisson project we are proposing you
know again a dog park we have sport
courts for pickle ball basketball um the
fitness our amenity includes a fitness
room which is very important to us in
this one we're also doing a sauna having
an outdoor cold plunge as part of that
um you know so again we have very some
high-end some outside barbecues, fire
pits. Um so some very nice amenities for
for our residents here. Um these are
examples of some other projects we've
done here in the Phoenix area. The the
two architectural ones there, those are
project uh the top one there's a project
in Texas we did. Um and then the other
one is a project that BB Living at Union
Park up in the North Phoenix
area. Um you know the site plan that you
guys have seen again very heavy on the
landscape. The main thing for this is
Again, going with the theme of in the
Cavisson master plan there. Um the
walls, the landscaping of a very high
quality to kind of match again
everything else that's been done up in
the Cavisson. And a lot of it's to play
off of also what what Toll Brothers is
doing right next to us. Um you know,
kind of keeping with them. We've worked
very closely with Toll Brothers over the
years. Um and this is just another
project that you know, we're building
right next to them.
Um this was a a footprint just kind of
again of our um amenity building. We
have our our leasing office. Um and then
separately again we have a very nice you
know fitness room. Um we have the sauna.
We're also um planning on doing kind of
an indoor driving range you know
simulator. Um some just you know again
some more high-end amenities for our
residents um up in this
area. That was kind of the presentation
I had for that. And again, I have the
architect here as well. If you have uh
any any questions for us, do we have any
questions? Go ahead. Just one question.
Thank you. I I like the project. I like
the layout, the circulation on it. Um I
think it's good to see some dense
residential next to uh the master plan
over there. The only question I have,
and I know staff, you know, could answer
it or the applicant. You know, when we
do town homes, I know it's a for rent
product. Isn't town homes you know
like is it going to be platted as a town
homes like fe simple or is it like still
multif family
uh for rent I guess. So
no uh it was not going to be platted
it's more of a site plan. Okay. Than a
one lot um you know with um yeah so this
this is where confusion my mind isn't
when you say town home usually it is a
platted you know to be fe simple to sell
it. So it's a little bit different
between a town home and a uh for rent
product. So I see this as more as a
multif family project. It's not town
home project. Is this correct or no?
Um from that point of view, yes, it
could be looked at as multif family
because it is one lot with multiple
buildings on it. But townhouse has a
technical definition in the building
code and it's more about how it's
constructed than it is platted. Uh the
building code doesn't address if there
is or not a property line between the
dwelling units. So technically we're
going to build it to meet the building
code as town houses. But from your point
of view, it is one lot with multiple
dwelling units on it. What about from
the city point of view? Is town home
different than multif family? Uh Vice
Mayor Dascus and board member FKI. Um
no, multif family is kind of a generic
term. Uh, it covers apartments and town
homes and whether they're for rent or
platted or for sale, it's still
multifamily. Okay, fair enough. Thank
you.
Do we have any other questions?
Uh, yes, please.
Um you have the two different
elevations, the modern
uh prairie desert or desert prairie
whichever and then the Spanish and then
within each one there was um three
different uh choices of of material
colors. Uh how does that work? I mean,
does you simply choose one of the three
and go with that or is um you know, are
they staggered? You know, every third
one is the first choice. How does that
work?
Um yes, I I'm sorry I failed to
introduce myself as Chris Texter with
KTGI with I'm the architect on the
project. Thanks for your question. Uh we
have gone through and distributed these
styles. Uh sometimes they're next to
each other, sometimes they they uh
stagger. Um and then we distributed the
color scheme. So we have a wide variety
of style and color schemes occurring
throughout the site. Um we will
predefine where those are occurring. Um
and then it will be built accordingly.
Okay. Thank you.
Go ahead. I had a couple of questions.
Um one of which is on the uh dog park
itself. you will have uh dog stations
for waste and things like that and will
you be uh servicing it, cleaning it,
things like that? Uh yes. Yeah. So to
answer both question, yes, we'll have
the dog dug bag stations kind of for the
way stations and and one of the things
being a rental community is um for BB
living, you know, we own and maintain
it. We have on-site property management,
you know, similar to an HOA, we just
have on-site um property management that
will have maintenance crews that will,
you know, maintain those, you know,
daily. Okay. Uh, another question
is
on living on this this property
eventually you may decide to turn this
into a condominium or resale unit. Do
your does your design allow that or does
it preclude that?
I'm sorry. Can you repeat in future use?
If you decide to sell the individual
units as condominiums, cease cease being
a rental property and become a
condominium property. Does your design
facilitate that or not? No. Oh, the the
intent is, you know, again, for this to
be a long hold on a, you know, for a
rental basis. Um, being that they're not
platted individual lots, um, it would be
a lot more difficult to then transition
it to to, you know, multif family condo
plat you would have to do down the road.
Thank you.
I have I have one question about the
elevations. I think what we saw, it
seemed like some of the elevations that
we saw didn't have shadows turned on
them. I read very clearly for the
materials. I do have in looking at the
renderings and some of the elevations, I
want to make sure that we've got enough
depth on the on the facades. Uh, and
particularly on the eaves and the
overhangs, it seems like even on this
perspective that the that one style on
the right has a good shadow line and
overhang and the other style on the left
feels a little feels pretty flush at the
roof. I don't know if that's a very very
specific design intent with the mission
Spanish mission tile, but I think we
want to make sure that um when we see
developments like this that we've got
that the facades come off as high
quality facades with window depth with
facade texture with cornice, you know,
with with shadow lines that are that are
generated by by depth on the facade. So
from the architectural standpoint, can
you walk us through how that's happening
on the elevation?
Yes, thank you. uh between the two
different styles, we did purposely vary
the roof uh eve detail. As you can see
on the hip roof, it's pretty consistent
overhang all the way around. On the
Spanish, it's pretty uh traditional, so
to speak, on the gable ends that they're
tighter. So, that's what you're seeing
here is where the gable ends are. That
rake tile comes over right onto the
fascia of the of the building. We find
that that's a little bit more
historically uh referencing how it's
traditionally built and historically. uh
if it's important, we could extend that
overhang, but we also feel like that
just puts the the uh the eve details and
the rake details similar to each other.
Uh we do have on the eve portion of that
Spanish detail, it does have the
traditional overhang. Um and then
furthermore, all the windows are
recessed into the wall planes, so the
all the windows will get a shadow line
around them helping with the uh desert
heat and stuff. Um, and then you can
see, of course, in this perspective that
we have a variety of materials and
textures and colors occurring on every
facade. No. And I I really like I'd
commend commend you the the team for the
two distinctly different styles. The
change up of the of the shaping of the
roofs, I think, is, you know, that's
that's really important. It'll help
distinguish the buildings on site and
not feel like seem like a giant project.
So, I appreciate that. I I think just I
would call I would I would make sure
that you're if staff can take note that
we're working with staff on on just
making sure that there's depth in the
facades. I think the one thing that can
hurt some of these projects and it and I
don't I necessarily don't think that the
the way that you're doing it the eaves
is the roof structure is totally
different. So I don't think that you're
going to see a a similarity between the
two because you've got a full hip
structure across an entire building. So,
I would just and and maybe it has to do
a little bit with just creating a little
bit of a bump out on the top of the
cornice or shaping the top of the
cornice, something that gives a little
bit of I know that's not it could be a
little bit of a pain, but it's not um
adding any structure framing to the
building. It's really just maybe
something that you're doing with foam to
give a little bit of depth to to the
facade. So, um, I would I'm going to
make make a stipulation if if there's a
if there's I'm assuming that you guys
would be okay with with staff making
sure that there's a little bit that the
depth is maintained on the elevation.
So, it's generally part of our design
guidelines anyhow. And the windows are
that's all I'm assuming that all the
window depths are conforming. I I
appreciate that, but that is actually
something that's has to be on every
single building constructed in in
Scottsdale. So, um, but otherwise, I I
think that the the the distinction
between the styles, the shifting of the
building types and the color palettes is
a is a great move. And I'm looking
forward to this feeling not like a flat
roof department, but feeling like larger
shared homes, which I I think is a new
aesthetic up in the area. So, I
appreciate the work.
Do we have any other questions?
Do we have a motion?
I'll make a motion again since Was there
anything else that anybody else said
that need to be included in? Okay. I'm
going to move to approve case
35DR2024 per the staff recommended
stipulations with an additional
stipulation to for the applicant to work
with staff to ensure um facade depth
along the cornice treatments of the
Spanish mission style elevation. after
finding that the development application
meets the development review board
criteria.
Second. Second.
Vice Mayor Dubosquez.
No.
Vice Chair Brand, yes. Commissioner
Ertal,
yes. Board member Paser, yes. Board
member Fiki, yes. Board member Mason,
yes. Motion passes 51. Thank you.
All right. If that is our meeting, um
I'll make a motion to adjurnn.
Second.