Development Review Board - May 1, 2025

We'll call this meeting to
order for the uh development review
board
meeting. One or more members of the
development review board may be
attending the meeting by telephone. Do
we have anyone by phone today?
Uh yes, this is Donna Robinson.
Great. Uh, the city hall is open to the
public during the DR development review
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the public to listen and view the
meeting in progress. We'll call to order
and roll call.
Vice Mayor Dubosquez here. Vice Chair
Brand here. Commissioner here. Board
member Paser here. Board member FE
board member Mason present. Board member
Robinson
here. All present. Thank you. Thank you.
Uh and I see we it looks like we have no
uh public comment for non-aggendaized
items. Correct. Okay. Then we will move
to the administrative report. Brad Carr.
Thank you. And good afternoon, Vice
Mayor Dubascus, members of the board.
Just real quickly want to note that we
will be meeting again here in two two
weeks to discuss three agenda items. Um
so hopefully we have all of you in
attendance for that meeting. Um but
other than that that I don't have
anything additional for today's meeting.
Thank you. Thank you Mr. Carr. All
right. Um do I have a motion for the
approval of the April 17, 2025
development review board regular meeting
minutes? So move
second.
Vice Mayor Dvasquez. Yes. Vice Chair
Brand. Yes. Commissioner, yes. Board
member Peaser, yes. Board member Faki,
yes. Board member Mason, yes. Board
member Robinson,
yes. Motion passes. Thank you.
Thank you. All right, we'll move to um
action items. Um and our first item on
here is a consent agenda item uh
20dr204. Does anybody have any comments
they'd like to make about this
item? Do we have a motion to
approve? Motion to approve.
Um move to
approve if this is a consent agenda case
20DR2024 per staff recommended
stipulations after finding that the
development applications meets the
applicable development review board
criteria. I'll second that.
Vice Mayor Dubosquez.
Yes. Vice Chair Brand. Yes. Commissioner
Ertal. Yes. Board member Paser. Yes.
Board member Faki, yes. Board member
Mason, yes. Board member Robinson,
yes. Motion passes. Thank you.
All right. And we'll move to the regular
agenda. Uh 8 DR 2024. Monuri, do we have
a staff presentation? Yes, we do. Vice
Chair or Vice Mayor, thank you.
Good
afternoon, Vice Mayor De Boscus, Vice
Chair Brand, and members of the DRB. I'm
here. My name is Jason Katz with uh
current planning. Uh here presenting 8DR
2025
Moni site is located uh on 1 Avenue just
uh east of
Goldwater. A closer look at the site.
surrounding zoning is similar with the
downtown overlay and commercial uh
C2. The request uh applicant seeks
approval for the exterior modifications
and finishes applied to the restaurant
building at the address 7714 East 1st
Avenue that were applied prior to city
approval and applicant has proposed
changes to the site to bring parking
into conformance.
Little background on the site. The
subject site uh has previous unpermitted
work and non-conformities. The property
owner has been issued non notice of
violation for this unapproved
work. Staff analysis. The color and
material pallet uh that's been applied
is not in is inconsistent with uh the
oldtown uh development uh urban design
and architectural guidelines as well as
commercial design guidelines in the
greater context of the Oldtown area.
Specifically uh the urban design
architectural guidelines 18.5 the main
color of the building should be
emphasize muted desert colors
and light lower reflect lower LRV value
of 70 or less.
Um as well as the commercial design
guidelines of the architecture climatic
response number 18. The use of awnings
should be solid color and
of more substantial metals materials for
uh the strength of appearance and to be
lasting in the
elements. The these two items here the
striping of the color is what uh the
green and white color is what we are
seeing as what the is not in compliance
with that guideline as well as the bold
colors of green and pinks.
Existing parking requires vehicles to
encroach into the city right ofway.
However, the new proposed site plan does
rectify this
condition. Here's the proposed site
plan. So, action request is that this we
recommend the DRB to approve uh to
continue the case for to work with staff
uh per these stipulations. Um, if the
DRB chooses to approve, we have
stipulations uh to condition.
That concludes SAS presentation.
Can you give us any more detail on what
the stipulations would be if we were to
continue?
Yeah. Can we get Vice Vice Mayor, while
he's pulling that up, just real quickly,
most of the stipulations are
standardized. The two on the screen here
are the ones that um the applicant um
would like to have the DRB review today.
So essentially the canopies to be a
solid color and the uh painting of the
of the building to be the muted desert
tones u with consistent with the
guidelines. Those would be the two
required stipulations.
Does anyone have any questions? Go
ahead. I do. Thanks. Thank you,
Councilwoman, Vice Mayor. So, just quick
question for staff. I mean, when I look
at this, uh, because obviously the
comment was you guys recommending
continuance to get to comply with design
review. I mean, how how does those two
stipulation make it more comply with
design review? I think I'm confused
because there you have a stripe awning.
You have I mean, along the street
there's different type of architecture.
Uh how does those I mean I I don't
understand the comment about bringing to
be I mean meet the design review. I
guess I don't understand. The design
guidelines states that it should be it's
preferred to have a solid color for the
awnings whereas currently they have the
striped awnings. That's the main but
they do have stripe awning like just
next to them. I mean there is stripe
awning on the street right? I mean and
we did approve it before. I mean this
came through for the remodel across the
street. Wasn't this approved by I'm
assuming admin DRB or something? I don't
believe so. So, is this not complying
then? That is the whole street not
complying.
Vice Mayor Dubasquez, board member Faki,
generally speaking, we we don't have any
approvals for any of those other awnings
that are on that street. So, yes, the
they are non-compliance as well. Okay.
So, it's a it's a discussion. It's
either we're good with uh if we're good
with this awning, we're good with every
other awning we have there, right? I'm
assuming kind of. Well, you you could
board member for key direct staff that
you are comfortable with those awnings
in general uh on this street um or as a
whole if that's the case. Um but yes,
you could provide that direction. Fair
enough. I'm just uh I'm just curious
because when we talk about design
guideline, I mean the street right now
it's kind of like its own design
guideline. you're fitting the
environment and honestly for me the
stripe awning is nicer than this solid
one but it's different discussion. I
will leave my note till after the
applicant presentation. Thank you.
Thank you. Um I know we have to do we
have any other questions?
Thank you. The is here with a
presentation as well if you'd like. Yep.
I know we have the applicants. So do you
have a presentation? And are your
comment cards part of the presentation
group or they
I see. Okay. Yes, please go ahead.
Great. Well, that's coming up. Uh, for
your record, Taylor Earl with the law
firm of Earl and Curly. We're at 3101
North Central Avenue. So, we appreciate
the time. Um, and just to be clear up
front, so our request would be for
approval subject to the stipulations
except for stipulations five and six,
which are obviously inconsistent with
the design as it exists today. So, a
little bit of history on the site. Um,
uh, we do have the owner here, Lexi,
who's here in the front row with us.
This opened in 2024. So, um, as we've
were brought on by Lexi to work with her
on how to work through this process. Um,
it's been open. She recognizes now we've
helped her understand, hey, got to get
the approval done kind of before. So,
she fully understands that, but that's
why she brought our team on to help her
walk through that process. So, on the
downside, normally this is what you need
to do before you open. The plus side is
we're able to show you exactly what it
looks like and be able to give you
citizen feedback, which has been very
positive. So that's at least the upside
of not having done it the right way up
front, but she'd fully recognizes that
um that that's the way it needs to be
done and and and brought us on to help
her through that
process. Um so this is a little bit of
what was alluded to a moment ago, right?
So the the area the context in which
this exists, which is an important
design principle, is you're designing
within your context. So we thought we'd
walk you through what that looks like.
So you you could almost call this sort
of a French cafe district in terms of
the architectural design, not
necessarily looking at the menus, but
looking at the architecture. Um so
Arcadia Farms is where the current site
is, but the old Arcadia Farms site. So
this was established in 1990. Um and
then ultimately that same establishment
moved across the street. Uh and so you
see there the sort of striped awning
with the use of the landscaping and the
arbor out front. Uh and then next door
to the subject site is Arcadia Farms.
see a consistency with the striped
awning. Um, and so the use of the patio
out front as well. And then even just
down the street, just just a couple of
buildings, you have a retail
establishment which also has that same
aesthetic. So when Monerie comes in,
she's designing consistent with that
aesthetic that's there, but obviously
putting her own flavor to it so that
it's unique, so that it's it's not uh
the same as what's next to her, but also
consistent with the design pattern
that's there, the same sort of arbor. So
that's the context in which that exists.
Um, Arcadia Farms 32 years ago really
established what that theme was and and
consistently stayed there. And you can
see some of the upgrades that they made
to the building when they ultimately uh
moved over there. And so some of these
things here, you see the striped awning,
the umbrellas, the the Curtis color
scheme, the the heavy use of of the
windows. It's all consistent with that
theming. And then of course next door,
you see some of that same theming
continue. Uh and so when when one share
comes in, again, we're designing
consistent uh with that with that
theming. Um and then also some of these
planters, the ones that are up against
the building, uh currently aren't there
right now. We're looking at how to make
those work with the parking as staff
lord alluded to, making sure the parking
can fit. Um but the ones on the side are
and the ones that kind of go up the
middle. So what's interesting is if you
Google the term French cafe, this is
what pulls up on the first set of set of
hits. Uh you see sort of striped
awnings, right? it's right consistent
with that theming. Or if you put in
French cafe awnings, this is what comes
up with sort of stripes. So she's really
hitting within that theme that was
already established within within that
area and becomes a little bit of a subd
district, if you
will. Um, one thing we wanted to sort of
help help the board understand is is
what the nature of this restaurant is.
It is what we would call an immersive
dining experience. Um, and that really
speaks to kind of the design and the
importance of the exterior as it's
designed today. Um, this is a place
that's great for bachelorette parties,
girls lunchons, brunches, things like
that. And so, she really caters to that
audience and does it very, very well.
Um, we thought it would be interesting
looking at some of the other places in
the valley that have used an immersive
dining experience to deliver to their
customers. And some of you may have been
to all or or most of these uh and you
know, it would be interesting. You look
at Oregon Stop, you pass 20 pizza places
before you go to Oregon Stop, but you go
there for the experience. Um and so what
Muncher's done is similar to that,
right? They're creating a dining
experience that is more than just food
uh and weight staff. It's also about,
you know, the experience that you have.
It's sort of the comparison between
Disneyland and Six Flags. U Disneyland
can charge a lot more and it's not
because the rides are so much better.
It's because they they are experts at
creating an experience. I mean, it's in
that same vein that the design of this
building and the exterior is not just an
incidental part of that customer
experience. it's really intricral to
making sure that people have that when
they arrive. Um, and it's been very
wellreceived. Um, and that that's really
key is that people really enjoy it. It's
what you might call Instagram worthy.
Uh, people like to go there, take
photographs. We were just there today
and people walked up and immediately she
had her phone out. She was taking a
photograph. Um, and so people are really
embracing it. This is kind of a fun
little comment that speaks to that. Uh,
delicious food plus the prettiest vibes
equals an Instagram girly's dream,
right? It's a little fun, but it's also
speaking to something very real, which
is that in a in a competitive industry,
you need to have something that makes
your experience special, that makes
people want to come to your experience.
So, we see the design as an integral
part of that. Uh, somebody similar did
this in Nevada. You can see sort of a
similar aesthetic has been has been
successful. I I show this slide simply
to make the point that it's serving a
market, a market which people that there
is a market for um and that she's
serving well. All right, getting into
the design. Um, again, sort of the the
aesthetic now in that context is part of
the overall um experience. Um, also I
would just note that as you look at the
sort of color of the building itself
because of the shading of the awning
really it ends up sort of being a more
muted tone and on the white it really
ends up being a more muted tone as well
because of the shading of the awning
which I think is relevant to kind of
what the experience is from the sidewalk
looking forward. Um, you know, look,
there there are ways that we could do
more of a desert tone, but I think as
you can see, you know, something like
that really changes the feel of the
arrival experience. Um, and obviously it
could be done differently. This is just
a sort of mockup and experience, but I
think what's relevant is that, you know,
the stripe tone is consistent with the
aesthetic in the area. It it offers a
nice feel. Um, and I think she's done it
very tastefully. Um, some things that
have been recognized, a lot of these
quotations speak to the design. So
again, success in the design is what
she's been achieving. Um, as we went
through the guidelines and policies, we
saw consistency with a lot of the
guidelines that were there. Um, speaking
to Oldtown, it talks about dynamic,
diverse, vibrant, remaining flexible. We
want there to be vibrancy. We want there
to be something unique for people to
come to. We don't want it to feel like a
corporate center where everything looks
exactly the same. Um, designing to the
surrounding context is a key principle
within those guidelines. And she's done
that very well. Here's some of the
language that speaks to the importance
of that
principle. Um, recognizable identity and
unique character is another important
principle of the guidelines particularly
for Oldtown. People want to come and
vacation here. They want to have an
experience that's not like something
they could have got um just where they
were. In fact, over this past weekend, I
was in New York and I was asking my
daughter, "Where do you want to eat?"
And she said, "Oh, Chick-fil-A." And I
was like, "We are not in New York to go
to Chick-fil-A." Right? But so again, we
want places that have an arrival
experience. And I think she's again done
that very well. Uh strategic use of
landscaping. Obviously these sites, this
was an old home. These historic things
we this is really a positive that we
have restaurant tours are willing to go
into these small spaces which have
challenges. But a good strategic use of
landscaping is is part of again the
design principles and she's again done
that well as she's used these planters
uh kind of been changing them uh at the
landscaping to make sure they can grow
well within those planters. Um inviting
entrance she's done that. That's an
important principle of the guidelines as
well. Integrating art both from the
exterior and then the sort of interior
patio. That's an important part of what
she's provided. Um shade, obviously the
shade is is this front sort of front
patio area is part of what she's
achieved. Um the awnings, they should be
functional, provide maximum shade, which
this does very very well. In fact, you
see some places where it's not done
nearly as well as what she's done in a
case like uh uh Book Depo where the
awnings aren't providing the near the
amount of shade that she's providing. So
again, the awning is doing that very
very well here. Outdoor dining which she
has. Um and we did go work with staff on
parking. There have been times in the
past where there was no parking out
front and so as we've shown the site
plan here, we're able to to put in four
parking spaces. Uh we've talked to staff
about whether we need to have any ADA
and that will be addressed in the sort
of subsequent phase and we do have space
if we need it to go to including an ADA.
So we're prepared for that if if we need
to. Um signage, there's a concern. We
don't want signage to be huge and and u
no concern there. This is the signage
that she has. So it's very
appropriate. Um lighting, we don't want
anything super bright. Again, this is
sort of a night view. She just has some
some beastro lighting that's behind the
the awning. So very appropriate there as
well. As I mentioned earlier, we want to
have goodam we want to have good places
in Oldtown that feel like a destination
that feel um that are that are quality
but have a unique arrival. And so we
pulled some examples of other places
that have done that well and that create
character within Oldtown. And I think as
you look at these, you'll see that, you
know, there's some good use of color. Um
it's not necessarily desert tones, but
it is tasteful and it's done well within
the context of downtown.
And of course, Sugar Bowl is a classic
example, kind of historical, but um but
it works well within the environment of
Oldtown. Kind of an interesting
quotation here. This gentleman runs a
show on Netflix. It says, "A good
restaurant is like a vacation. It
transports you and it becomes a lot more
than just about the food." So, what we
looked at is we looked at this
establishment. We said, "She does what
she does well." And what we would ask is
for approval to be able to continue um
and so that she can have the design that
has been wellreceived and that is
creating an experience that our
customers are really enjoying. And so
with that, I'm happy to answer any
questions.
Thank you, Mr. Earl. Um I have a Katie
James here. Do we need Katie? And and
Katie is the architect. We had fill out
a card just in case you wanted her to
speak, but unless there's questions, she
doesn't need to present. Okay. Do we
have any questions from our board
members?
Go ahead.
Um, I know when we met last
week, my concern with the awnings was
that it was exactly the same as the
surrounding area and would that cause
someone to think it's just an extension
of Arcadia Farms? And then you started
showing me all the the buildings around
there that had the same thing on it.
You know, Brad, what I would ask staff
is or maybe I should ask first, please.
How many buildings do you think on are
in that area have the striped awnings
like that? It looked like there were
quite a few that Yeah. So, so in that we
we we demonstrated that there were three
other buildings that had um a little bit
different in terms of the coloring on
it. And I think in the context of of I
think the importance of that question is
would somebody be confused? I think
because of the other elements that she
has as part of that design, I think
there is a different aesthetic. So
there's there's this there's a line you
have to walk anytime you want to be
consistent with your surroundings, but
you want it to to to be different. You
always have to thread that needle. I
think she's done that here. I don't
think anybody would look and go, I don't
even know where I'm going. Is this the
is an extension of the same place? But I
think they would see familiarity and a
and a context design. So Brad, are all
of these other buildings on the street
that have the striped awnings, including
Arcadia Farms and Bua Deepo, are all
them in violation of city ordinance?
Vice Mayor Dubasquez, board member
Piser, I can't speak directly to that. I
don't know the the answer of a status,
so to speak, of where those are at, but
they could be um if they didn't get a
permit or approval to do that and they
they have them out there, they could be
in violation. I just don't know
specifically which ones are are not. So,
if
they if all these other buildings are in
violation of city ordinance, the city's
made no attempt to um bring them into
compliance.
Again, I'm not sure because I don't know
if they are uh they received approvals
or if they're not they have not received
approvals and are in non-compliance.
I think speaking I I can't speak for the
board, but speaking for myself, I I'd
prefer the building in question to blend
in more with the other buildings than to
have something done that none of the
other buildings have.
So, I'm more in favor of keeping the
awnings the way they are than changing
them to something that won't look nearly
as nice.
Yeah. Go ahead. Uh, thank you, Chair.
Um, if I understand what you're saying,
Mr. Carr, it's that those other
buildings might be out of compliance
because they hadn't received approval,
not because of the design. You haven't
opined really on the design. You've only
on the approval process or lack of Vice
Mayor Dasquez, Commissioner Tell.
Correct. Yeah, we don't I don't know.
Well, we haven't had a chance to to look
at the design because I don't know if
we've gone through the process of
verifying whether or not they've
received approval to this point. Okay.
Thank you.
Following on to the question about the
striped awnings, there were some
buildings in there that appeared to have
them. How long have some of those
buildings had striped awnings?
As best as I understand the history, the
marketplace was from 2015 and the
Arcadia Farms across the street is from
2022.
When did they put the striped awnings
on? Do you know? I believe from the
inception from those dates, the 2015 to
2022. And I'll look at my planners
whether the our location had striped
awnings in the past before they moved.
Yeah. So, so 2015 2022 is when the
stripe nature of those awnings came came
forward. And the only thing I will
simply add to a questions that were
asked earlier is that um I think there's
important to remember that they are
guidelines and not requirements. So
we're not asking for a variance from a
standard. So when we look at what's
there, you sort of ask the question, it
sounds like maybe they just haven't been
approved yet rather than in violation.
And it's important to remember that
guidelines are different than
requirements. Well, that's a question to
Brad. Then since these have been around
for some time, have we not created an
implied approval because nothing has
been done? And if that's the case, then
it would seem like that what is there
now has created, as you the presenter
said, kind of a French restaurant zone,
which adds to the character of
Scottsdale.
Uh board member Mason, if I could uh
just briefly on the sort of applied
approval, it would be very fact
specific. Excuse me. So, it's hard to
say, you know, could somebody make that
argument without knowing? It would
depend exactly on what process that
particular property went through, how
long it's been there. Um, so just from a
purely legalistic standpoint, it's hard
to answer in the hypothetical. In terms
of what's in our code, we don't
necessarily have anything in the city of
Scottsdale that contemplates that sort
of uh, you know, if you have an existing
feature that the city is never opposed
to. Does it become legally approved at
some point? It's it's not built into our
code. It would be the kind of thing that
would probably have to be fought out in
court.
So then if that were the case, we would
say that we would decide that uh that we
would have a striped awning approval for
unique characters. And the presenters
presented a number of buildings that
appeared to be kind of, you know, non-
desert tone buildings. Um would we want
to consider revising the code to say
that we need to look at Oldtown as a
more uh you know mixed set of
architecture standards? that something
would be worth considering. Certainly,
Vice Mayor and board member Mason,
that's something that the board could
consider um as moving forward and staff
as a result of whatever decision occurs
today could take that into consideration
for future decision- making on these
type of things that are um you know
within maybe staff's perview when we
review the design guidelines. But
certainly there's a there's a component
where the the board could then update
those guidelines at some point to
address certain circumstances like the
one being presented today.
Commissioner Brand. Yeah, I don't
particularly have a question, but I do
have just general commentary and opinion
on this. Um, I appreciate the
presentation. Um, my opinion just from
understanding the Oldtown guidelines is
really just from the our place on the
board here is to determine if the
flexibility that's built into the
guidelines is applicable based on the
application and the context in which
we're looking at this this project. To
me, when I've looked at the area and
studied the area and driven and walked
the area, this is this is a project that
contextually fits in very very well with
its surroundings. It's not drawing
attention to itself. It's not doing
anything that's outside of the goals of
the guidelines. I would say I appreciate
staff not necessarily making a call on
themselves, but actually pushing this to
the board um and getting the board's
opinion on this because this is
something that's outside uh a little bit
outside of the guidelines within
Oldtown. But I do think that it's vital
to the success and the walkability of
Oldtown to have to have expressions and
storefronts and experiences that that do
border and and tow the line and that it
is it are it is our job to assess
whether or not this is something that's
contextually appropriate for both the
area and for its place in Oldtown on a
one case by one case basis. I think
that's what we're here to do. Uh for me,
I would say that cases like this where
you're operating outside of that
guideline, I tend to oppose uh
storefronts that are heavily heavily
signage and branded in which you're
creating something that is just customly
it's it looks like a billboard or an
advertisement. And I don't think that
this is the case at all. So, we've seen
that before with retail tenants or
restaurants that come in and they're
operating outside of the guidelines
because, oh, well, this bright pink is
my corporate color and it's something
that they are just plastering across
here. And I don't think that's the case.
I think what has been done here is
tasteful. I I think it's it's beautiful
and I think it's something that enhances
the what we're looking at from a
downtown area is to enhance the
streetscape and pedestrian experience.
And I think that that this improvement
has has enhanced the pedestrian
experience. I'm 100% in favor of what's
been built out there and giving you the
approval. But that's my opinion. I
appreciate um the case coming forward.
Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead. Thanks,
Councilwoman. Uh you know, actually, you
know, I I I personally hate those cases
where come back for forgiveness usually,
you know, like when the applicant do
something and go back here for
forgiveness. And it's kind of like it's
what I do from my side. It's like okay
if I forget about what happened will I
approve this today if it's a new case
fresh of the RB and I will look at this
one if you come before me today and say
hey I have a striping awning fit the
surrounding without knowing who in
compliance were not I will be voting for
it and this how I see this one even
though small business owner did what
they did I'm not a fan of doing things
and asking for forgiveness but it is
what it is at this stage especially
because of the size of the buildings a
lot I mean this is um part of supporting
small businesses. I think uh I support
the case as it is with stripe owning and
additionally to what Mr. Carr mentioned.
I would like future case if if staff go
in and did a fine for the other
building. I would like them not to come
back to the RBN. I would like to get in
this as a direction for you to even
approve those stripings. They've been
there. I mean this could be good for the
south neighbor or the further east I
guess. Uh but my recommendation will be
uh I will vote yes and probably for the
future cases that staff uh take a uh
stand on the awning without coming back
for the board. So thank you.
Do we have any other comments? Sure.
I always have a comment.
I Oh, I'm sorry. Go
ahead. Oh, this is Donna. I was just
going to say I agree with the discussion
that I feel it fits into the context of
the area and also enhances it and um I'm
in agreement that I would approve this.
Thank you. If there's a if there's a
complaint about
the design in Scottsdale, it's that it
is too cookie cutter and too bland. Um,
of course, it can go the other way and
and become too garish. And I think we
have some buildings like that that are
landmarks. Uh but this I mean
okay board member Bran says you know
it's contextually appropriate. I'm just
a simple guy. I just say does it look
good? Would it does this look better
than it would if it were you know desert
uh tones? You know I think it does look
good. It certainly fits. It makes the
city look better. I would support it.
We have any other comments? Um, I'll
just add that I um I think it's
beautiful. It's looks like a place I
would like to go and I will plan on
going. So, um, with that um, I'll make a
motion to approve the applicant's
request for case 8 DR 2024 Monuri. If I
may, uh, Vice Mayor, real quickly, just
from a pro procedural standpoint, I want
to note that the applicants requesting
the removal of stipulations five and six
in order to uh go forward with their
their current design. So, if you would
like to amend your motion to include the
removal of stipulations five and six,
that would that would uh continue
forward. Thank you. Yes, I will amend
the motion to include the removal of
stipulations five and six.
I'll second that.
Vice Mayor Dasquez, yes. Vice Chair
Brand, yes. Commissioner Ertell, yes.
Board member Peaser, yes. Board member
Fei, yes. Board member Mason, yes. Board
member Robinson,
yes. Motion passes 70. Thank you.
Congratulations.
May I add one more um item or open
discussion item to the or not
non-aggendaized but make a request for
Mr.
Carr throughout this. I think just
pending from this discussion it is
important for us I feel like for the
vitality of retail and restaurant food
and beverage um for it to thrive within
Oldtown to really take a look at the
Oldtown design standards. I think
there's a really important balance
between identity, branded identity and
placemaking based on tenants as well as
keeping um design standards that can
guide where the parameters of that are.
And it feels like there's maybe a little
bit of um you know finding the edge of
where it's successful and vibrant and
when it's not successful and overly
branded is is really we want to be right
in the perfect spot of that. And it and
it feels like we may at some point in
the future maybe need to look at how the
OldTown design guidelines are supporting
that. And I know that we've just had a
refresh on some of the Oldtown design
guidelines, but I I think I just want to
put that in staff's corner to maybe take
a look at that in an assessment. I I
just really feel like retail is retail
and restaurant, food and beverage is a
vital part of what keeps Oldtown as a
great district for for our tourism
industry and for just for people to be
in. Um and we want to make sure that
we're in a great spot for that. So just
putting that out there hopefully Brad
for and staff to to take a look into
that and if we need to bring it up for
the board at a later date, it'd be great
to to talk about it. Certainly, vice
mayor and vice chair, we can uh
agendaize an item for non-action at a
future hearing to discuss those a little
bit further. Um I would suggest that the
board maybe think about between now and
then items that um can work into
criteria that you know that make it uh
easier for staff and applicants and
property owners to understand where that
right and when spot is that you're
thinking about.
Do I have a motion to adjurnn?
So move. Second.
Second. Third.
Thank you.