Development Review Board - June 5, 2025

We will call the uh development review
board meeting to
order. We do have one member of the
board attending remotely by by
telephone. So I will ask for a roll
call.
Vice Mayor Dubasquez here. Vice Chair
Brand here. Commissioner Gonzalez,
present. Board member Peaser, here.
Board member Fee,
yes. Board member Mason, yes. Board
member Robinson, here. All present.
Thank you. Thank you. Um, public comment
for non-aggendaized items. Citizens may
address the members of the development
review board during public comment.
Public comment time is reserved at the
beginning of the meeting for citizens to
comment on non-aggendaized items that
are within the development review
board's jurisdiction. It's limited to a
total of 15 minutes. Arizona state law
prohibits the de development review
board from discussing or taking any
action on these non-aggendaized items.
Speaker speakers may submit a blue
request to speak card in person prior to
the beginning of the meeting. Public
testimony is limited to three minutes
per speaker. And we have one speaker,
Mr. Steve
Sutton, Vice Mayor Debbacas and members
of the board. Um, it's a pleasure to be
here before you. I've never spoken to
the board
before. I'm here to give you some
information.
There are groups of residents organized
to stop the building of a garage
extension at the Brown Avenue parking
corral. The city council directed the
city manager investigate one group's
petition. I am not a member of that
group of
residents. I've been doing quite a bit
of reading of city of Scottsdale
documents and watching videos and
reading transcripts of city council
meetings and work sessions concerning
parking space availability in Oldtown. I
have also been talking to prominent
people who have been involved for years
in Scottsdale politics, development, and
business that are on both sides of this
issue of building a garage extension at
the Brown Avenue parking corral. My
research has convinced me that the
public is going to overwhelmingly oppose
building this garage unless city
government can prove to the public
satisfaction that the creation of more
parking spaces by the building of this
garage extension is essential and the
only viable option.
The new petition I created asks the city
council to make a greater effort at due
diligence on the issue of building at
the Brown Avenue parking corral. The
type of objective investigation I'm
proposing will make it much easier for
residents to accept whatever action the
investigation supports and will mitigate
the increasing strife in our community
this issue is provoking. As with my
previous two dog park petitions, I've
already discovered it will not be a
problem convincing residents to support
this petition. The number of signatures
collected will only be limited by the
time and number of collectors available
to collect them. I am grateful that the
current city council supported my
efforts to improve safety at Chapel Dog
Park. And I regret that I am now in
disagreement with six council members on
proceeding with this plan on the parking
corral. The petition reads, "We, the
undersigned residents and business
owners do not want the historic and
cultural aesthetics of old the old Adobe
mission and surrounding area to be
degraded by the construction of a
multi-story garage in front of the
mission. The mission is a unique and
culturally significant preWorld War II
building that the United States
Department of Interior has placed on the
National Register of Historic Places. We
must protect the aesthetics of
Scottsdale's historic oldtown. We
undersigned residents and business
owners petitioned the city council to
direct the city manager to investigate
whether adding a multi-story garage at
the Brown Avenue parking corral is
needed and whether alternative actions
are sufficient for current and future
parking needs and to not approve a
construction contract at this location
until this investigation is completed
and presented to the residents of
Scottsdale to have not less than 30 days
to consider its findings. We petitioned
the city council to direct the city
manager to use all appropriate
investigative methods, including the
methods listed below. A new independent
2025 parking and traffic study of the
southeast and southwest quadrants of
Oldtown that also includes ride sharing
service impact, new research into better
signs directing drivers to parking
areas, electronic monitoring of parking
to provide streetside real-time
information to drivers. Thank you, Mr.
Sutton.
Thank you for your time. Thank you.
All right. Next, we'll move to the
administrative report.
Thank you and good afternoon, Vice Mayor
Debas, members of the board. Um, just
real quickly, we will be having a
meeting next week on the 12th. It's kind
of unusual. We don't have that typical
two-eek break due to holidays on the
following week. So, that meeting has
been moved up to the 12th. Um, so
hopefully we'll see uh all you there to
or if you can't make it in person, we'll
work to get you uh a call in if
necessary for that. But other than that,
um I think that concludes my
administrative report for today. Thank
you. Thank you. We'll move on to the
minutes for May 15, 2025 DRB, uh regular
meeting minutes. Do we have a motion to
approve?
Yeah, a motion to approve. the regular
meeting minutes of May 15, 2025
development review board meeting as
presented. I'll second that.
Vice Mayor Dubasquez. Yes. Vice Chair
Brand. Yes. Commissioner Gonzalez.
Um I was not present at that meeting,
nor did I uh get a review on that, so I
choose not to really vote on that. Okay.
Uh board member Piser. Yes. Board member
FE. Yes. Board member Mason. Yes. Board
member Robinson. Yes. Motion passes.
Thank you.
All right. Moving to the consent agenda,
items number three through six. Does
anybody have any comments to make on
these items?
Yeah. Um, I would like to pull items
four, five, and six for questions to the
applicants to remove them from the
consent
agenda.
Anyone else?
Okay. I have Councilwoman, I have a
conflict on item number three uh that
staff is aware of as well.
I'm sorry. Could you repeat that? I do
have a conflict on item number three
that I will recuse myself on. So, you're
recusing yourself. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. All right. So, we'll move
forward with the consent agenda with um
putting items four, five, and six on the
regular agenda. Mr. Carr, that is
correct. Vice Mayor, what we'll do is
vote on the remaining item on consent
agenda, item number three, uh
separately. We'll take that vote first.
Mr. Fi will recuse himself during that
time.
Okay. Ready?
Vice Mayor Dubasquez, yes. Vice Chair
Brand, yes. Commissioner Gonzalez, yes.
Excuse me real quick. Sorry, I forgot to
We need a motion on that before we can
before we can vote. Sorry. I'll make a
I'll make a motion to approve item
number three on consent agenda
1-P 2024.
Second.
Vice Mayor Dubasquez. Yes. Vice Chair
Brand, yes. Commissioner Gonzalez, yes.
Board member Peaser, yes. Board member
Mason, yes.
Board member Robinson. Yes. Motion
passes. Thank you.
All right. And we'll move to the regular
agenda and we'll start with item number
four. Do we have a presentation? Vice
Mayor. I'd ask if uh board members would
like a presentation from staff or the
applicant or would just like to ask
questions of the applicant. I I don't
know if anyone else has questions on
this case or not, but my questions were
specifically probably for the applicant
to answer regarding building material
selection. And if the applicant has a
presentation to pull up, that would
probably be sufficient.
Okay, we'll have the applicant come up
and we'll pull up uh a portion of the
presentation there to view on the
screen.
So, Vice Mayor Dascis and Vice Chair
Brandt, I will then forward uh would the
elevation serve you better? Uh we have
the materials board on here as well or
the the perspectives also I think have a
little more information probably just
going through those slides which is
material board elevations and
perspectives.
Very good. So, um, again, Jesus with the
city of Scottsdale, uh, present in front
of you, 11DR, uh, 20, uh, 24. And so,
these that you see on the screen, um, I
believe the material boards are on their
way, physically on their way. And so,
these were the material boards that were
presented by the applicant. Um what
staff did as part of our review uh there
was a couple um hangers that were
approved here in 2022 and 2023. So those
were kind of used as a barometer to
suggest to the applicant what colors and
materials were sufficient for the area.
And this is the what they pro the boards
that they provided. Um as you can see
here this is the first perspective. This
is showing the northeast corner and the
south northwest corner and the south I'm
sorry northwest facade and the southwest
facade. Um the entrance is right off of
um North Airport Drive. And then I can
go to the next
two. These are the next two perspectives
which show the southeast and
the southwest u elevations as well. And
so these are the perspectives. So again,
I can go back up to the elevations if
you'd like or I don't know if these help
better. My main questions were if I
wasn't clear on examining the elevations
about which specifically areas have the
stone tile. There's a stone tile that's
being used on the building it appears.
If you go back to the So I will u move
you have to come. Otherwise, I can't
hear you.
Okay. Um, so there's no um stone tile on
the wall surfaces. So, possibly the
stone tile that you're looking at is the
pavers and there's a deck pa on that
second floor deck that you see.
And I don't know if we can go back to
the boards, but um the wall materials
are a metal panel with um it's a
slightly metallic micica finish. And
then there's also
stucco and uh I wish I could point
there.
Oh, gotcha.
Okay. Okay. So, the bulk of the of the
building is this uh metal panel
material. It's a pewer color. And I can
tell you the the drawings up here are
very washed out as um compared to what
the the reality of what the colors are.
So, it's going to be a bit darker than
what you saw in those 3D renderings just
now. Um so, yeah, the bulk of the the
building is a metal panel system.
Here the stucco is painted this color
and that was that
um western or southwestern side that you
saw in the
rendering. Um and then the the remainder
of the materials are sophet panels which
are this metallic
color. This stone this is a natural
granite and only the building base has
that color. So, it's about the first 32
inches of the
building and it's applied to a concrete
wall at the base. Um, then the tiles,
these two are those pavers and deck
tiles. The ground pavers are this
material has a bit more texture to it.
And then the deck pavers are a concrete
look. So, there is a granite base is
what you're saying? Yes. That the black
granite is a is a base condition across
most of the building. Yeah. Um it's a
across the terminal portion of the
building for the first 32 in and then
the metal panels start and it's a it
looks black here but it's actually a
gray dark gray. Is the what's is this a
tilt or is this a framed with clad
panels on it? Yeah, it's framed steel
framed. Okay. Are these insulated
pre-insulated metal panels that you guys
are using or is this a conventionally
framed and insulated building? So the
hanger is a pre-insulated metal panel.
It's a sandwich of two metal panels with
foam on the interior and it's a fire
rated foam. So that covers our fire
rating for the for the hanger. So yeah,
those are the insulated metal panels,
but the terminal in the office portion
is like an Aluka bond MCM panel that's
on um steel framing. Okay. So it's it's
a separate system. So it's a similar
material as an ACM material on both, but
one is a pre-insulated
panel, the other one's an ACM composite
panel. Okay.
Is there I think in just in looking at
the elevations I think the kind of the
amount of gray and the multi-tonones of
what seemed like really similar tones of
gray was I think that the quality of the
materials is is high quality and I
actually think the building's
attractive. I was a little bit also
concerned about the the amount of
glazing on the west face of the building
and I was going to ask again on off the
material topic if you were doing
anything from a climate control
standpoint to mitigate western sun
impact on that main facade which is kind
of
facing west northwest it feels like at
the entry. Yes. So that was one of the
comments in the uh DR review. So we did
kind of an a solar analysis of the
project as a whole and um as you know
the city of Scottsdale or the the
Scottsdale airport is rotated 45 degrees
from orthogonal north south. So um just
by virtue of the orientation it's
actually
ideally located and then um the sloping
glass of the walls also helps to shade
it. So what we found is only that
western or northwestern
Let's see. Southwestern side is really
the only one that's exposed on the
second floor. Um, our deck kind of
covers over anything else and then the
sloping walls mitigates any problems
from um the solar angles in the summer
which are steeper than in the winter. So
yeah, we um so we planned for solar
shades which are manufactured by the
window frame manufacturer. So they are
coordinating in color and style and they
kind of have a shape like an ellipse.
Oh, so there's air foil like an air foil
shaped horizontal shading fin. Is that
on the west facade? Uh yes, the
southwest. Southwest. Y because the
northwest it never as the sun comes
around it's rotated 45 degrees. So it
actually never really So the sun is low
low enough on the horizon that it
doesn't impact the facade. Exactly. Is
this building is this building done
through a comp check or is it done
through a an energy model that you were
No, not yet. Oh, that'll be part of your
submitt. Yes, that'll be with our permit
submitt.
Um, again, can you just going back to
the materials? what I I think what was
just from a color tone and maybe the
materials. That's why I wanted to maybe
see the materials or talk to you about
them, but the the gray seemed really
really similar. And so the singular kind
of gray tone of the building was what
stood out from a maybe a little bit of a
rendering and elevation aspect and it
just felt like um four tones of gray on
top of each other. Um, is there from
from your opinion, you know, the
aesthetic that you were shooting for, is
there enough I we don't have the actual
material samples now, but I think that
was the for me that was what caused me
to want to talk with you a little bit
about the project. Um, so the materials
and the colors came from our client, um,
Flexjet, and it's the same colors as
their newly built headquarters building
in Ohio. So, I wish we could pull it up
because you could see exactly what it
looks like. And um what you'll notice is
the two panel colors are one is cooler
and one is warmer and one is on the
sophets and the other is on the wall
panel. So, you also have the like the
difference in the orientation. Um the
sophet panels are the bluer version
here, weathered zinc, and then the wall
panels are the pewtor here, which
honestly looks different in every light.
You know, sometimes on a building if
it's in shadow, it looks dark and then
if the sun's reflecting on it, it can
look quite bright. Um, and then their
their accent colors were in gold. They
have a gold panel on their headquarters
building that we do not have here, but
we did we're doing sophet panels in the
gold as
well. So,
um, we know that they wanted mostly gray
and we've put more we know that Scott
still prefers variety in the colors and
the materials. So, we kind of put in as
much gold as as um we felt we could get
away with the
client. Um and should we pull up the 3D
again just so we can see where all the
colors are? No. Yeah, that'd be great
because I'm I'm confident that they're
different and because of the
orientation. Um, yeah, this is kind of
washed out. And maybe once we get the
samples
here, but this sophet panel is the bluer
gray, and it's actually darker than what
this um appears. We were kind of asked
to lighten that up a little
bit, but um it is like a a zinc bluish
zinc color. And then the wall panels are
the it has kind of a gold fleck in it.
Is this is the soffet on the on under
the deck level and at the perimeter on
the northwest face? Is that also the
gray? No. So the gold is located here.
This is the stucco. Y and then this deck
underside is also gold. That's is it a
gold? So it's a stucco. Yes. A gold
stucco on the side. Okay. And then the
door is going to be the pearl gold.
Okay.
Even if they print, it's still a
rendering. Just how a rendering prints.
It's kind of tough to read. I I think
just in g I don't I don't think that you
need to overhaul the pallet of the
building. I think that just when you
have accent areas,
having I think maybe just the tone of
the differentiation between the two the
two grays. I
would, since we don't have the samples
here, I would just ask that you meet
with staff to make sure that there's
ample amount of um um delineation
between the two materials. I think it's
a a really nice design. I think it's a
building that's appropriate from a
formal design aesthetic. It's
appropriate for the air park. I think
I'm happy to hear that the granite is at
the base for protecting the Yeah. And
you can the base of the building. Here's
that band that runs around. My again my
concern though is just and sometimes in
some of these buildings we see the
sophet is maybe a a wood toned more of a
wood toned um set panel or something
like that that gives a little bit more
warmth to offset the gray that's there.
But I would love if if you could um and
this wouldn't be something that's not
approving but maybe approving with the
stipulation to work with staff on the
appropriate um secondary gray material.
Okay, sounds good. mention.
Okay. And our material boards are on
their way, so they'll be here in about
five minutes if we want to come back to
it if we can.
Board member Gonzalez,
thank you very much. Um the the glazing,
there's quite a bit of glazing right
there. It looks like almost two story
worth of glazing on the top
there. Is from my viewpoint, that's what
it looks like. The glazing of the
windows. Is it um is it about
How how tall is that about? Is it about
uh 12 feet? So each band is two feet
two. Okay. I'm sorry. Then that glazing
there, what is the Is it a is it an like
a high uh um E value uh glass that's
going on there? Is it like a sandwich or
is it like a
Yeah, it's two layers of um laminate
glass with low. Right. Okay. And then uh
the uh the reflection of the the glazing
itself is it um because of the angle of
the way that it looks from here on the
uh it looks like uh it's canned uh
downward. Is there any reflective value
that goes that balances back onto the
street, do you think? or is it
uh that that's my that was one of my
concerns is just what kind of reflective
value uh because that does reflect down
onto that to that street airport drive I
believe right there is a parking lot in
front of the building so um it's removed
back from airport drive quite a bit um
we have not yet studied
the reflection off of that although it
is sloped you know about okay That's
fine. 15. Then the other question I
have, if you can answer, if not, I can
ask uh the staff person, Mr. Mario is
that the parking lot that you have uh
that you have uh shown on the on your
rendering or the plan itself um it it
left uh it wasn't really determined how
many parking uh um spaces there were on
that particular piece of property that
you have next door to the building
itself. Do you know what the count is on
that? Um, yeah, they have a significant
amount of parking because they sometimes
use it for rental car parking as well.
So, um, oh, I've counted up to as more
than 20.
Oh, vi Vice Mayor Dasquez and, uh,
Commissioner Gonzalez, I do have a
graphic. So, um, as part of the as part
of the, uh, the site, um, the area that
you see delineated in the yellow, that's
only a lease area. The airport owns the
the entire site itself. And so, as such,
right now, the and you can just see the
the project right off the corner here.
But this project that you see here,
that's required to have 14 spaces total
for the uses that exist here. And
therefore the airport controls the this
entire site here and they reviewed the
plans and approved both the remote five
remote parking spaces and the design
itself. And so um through their analysis
they have found that they have ample
parking next door. So they're not going
to necessarily need any uh the
Scottsdale public parking in that area.
That is correct. The this site here is
required to have 65 spaces and five of
those spaces will be remote at this
location. Very good. Thank you,
sir. Uh, that's that's all my questions.
Thank you very much. Appreciate your
time.
With that, I just wanted to I'm going to
go ahead and make a motion. Um, and just
to as formally just to tell the
applicant, I'll make a motion to to
continue dialogue and work with staff on
the to ensure uh the appropriate amount
of contrast between the the tones of
gray and the sophet conditions on the
building. So, I'm assuming that will be
does that seem like something that the
applicant can can work with staff on?
Great. Um, with that, I'm going to move
to approve case uh 11 DR 2024
um per the staff recommended
stipulations with the additional
stipulation of the applicant working
with staff to resolve the appropriate
distinction between tones of gray on the
accent colors of the building. Um uh
after finding that the development
application meets the applicable
development review board criteria.
Second.
Vice Mayor Dubosquez. Yes. Vice Chair
Brand. Yes. Commissioner Gonzalez. Yes.
Board member Peaser. Yes. Board member
FE.
Yes. Board member Mason. Yes. Board
member Robinson. Yes. Motion passes 70.
Thank you.
All right, we'll move on to item number
five, 25DR
2024. Vice Chair Bran, did you have
specific questions that you wanted to
ask or would you like a staff
presentation?
Same same questions. Just if you have
the building material, elevations, and
perspective up would be great. Of
course. Uh, Vice Mayor Dvasquez, uh,
Commissioner Gonzalez, and board
members. My name is Chris Zimmer. I'm a
senior planner here with the city of
Scottsdale. Uh here to just give you a
brief introduction to the 25DR 2024 uh
the proposed office in Ancillary
Building. Again, via Davenura and uh
Hayden Road. You can see the site kind
of subject right there. A little
closeup. This is actually on Sen Alberto
um in the office complex. Um and I'll
pull up the elevations so you see them.
Um, just to note, there was a slight
update in the uh elevations from what
you saw in the report. Um, really the
biggest change was uh the awning in
front um has just gone to be a little
bit more surrounding of the building.
Um, the applicant is here. They do have
their materials board. So, I will ask
the applicant to come up and answer any
questions that you do have.
Thank you.
Are there revised perspectives for that?
Yeah.
I don't have a revised perspective
unfortunately. Why don't you just hand
this?
Good afternoon, Vice Mayor Debbacus,
Commissioner Gonzalez, Randy Hazes, RKA
Architects for the San Alberto project
for Eagle Investments Annapolis.
Okay, my my two questions were going to
be regarding the canopy that has been
removed. So, I no longer have a question
about the canopy that was out in front.
Um, the other one is a nichi material
that you're using. What's the what's the
size and application of the board that
you're planning on using on that? I
believe they come in 4x8 panels. Uh or
also I think what we're going to be
using is like the 2x4 panel. So it kind
of looks like a formed tilt panel uh
concrete wall, right? And so I know
Nisha has a variet. So you're using a
twoft x4 foot. Yes. This is a this is a
concret Yeah. If you look if you look
closely at the drawing, you'll see the
little circles. little circles are kind
of the indents and those circles are
going to be one piece of panel. Okay.
So, those are each those are each
individual panels. That's correct. So,
those are not like an a those aren't
like a scored singular panel. They will
have some scores in them. There'll be
some um some joints and kind of like a
halfinch reveal that Niha gives you to
connect those two. Right. But the are
within each board are there faux joints
within each board or are the joints only
between the boards? There are joints
only between the boards. Okay. It's
meant to look like a solid mass, like a
big concrete block. And is the use of
the build, is this an office use of the
building? It'll be office use and
ancillary. Actually, Eagle Investments
has an office right in that same uh
neighborhood there. And they're kind of
overflowing. So, this will ancillary to
that. Is there um with regard to the
base of the building and the the EES
area, is that an upgraded EES or stucco
condition from maybe a smooth sand
finish? Very modern look, you know.
Okay. Is there sidewalk directly
adjacent to that or is it or is it
adjacent to landscape only it? You know,
so we we had some struggles with this
site, Jeff, and being the fact that this
is a corner lot and triangle, we had
quite a lot of difficulty with both
uh adhering to the city of Scottsdale
curb cut and getting the ADA kind of
back behind as well as parking. And
you'll see on this, we've got a uh
ingress and egress easement with our
neighbor that actually sold us the land
that we're having to use just to kind of
get around the building. So,
unfortunately, we don't have a lot of
area up against the building to do
landscaping. It's a very tight spot.
That's probably why it's one of the last
remaining vacant parcels on this area.
Can you can you go back to Is there a a
site plan that's on
this? There's our landscape hand. How
about that
there? Yeah. Yeah. The reason why I ask
I I would normally want to ask about the
the durability of of the stucco finish
or the eaves or stucco finish coming
down to grade directly adjacent to
sidewalk and request some sort of
alternative material or else a
reinforced or a different type of stucco
down there because it can get beat up if
you're adjacent to pedestrian traffic. I
don't know if have you guys talked about
that or I think actually it'd be worse
if you had landscaping and you had dirt
kind of kicking back up on the building
where we have sidewalk which would be
sloping the water off. We also have a
canopy that you'll notice on the front
of the building that wraps all the way
around to the front. So, that's going to
keep a lot of the water and moisture
off. So, I was I wouldn't be worried
about the the weathering of it. I would
be worried about the um like foot
traffic and kicking or or Yeah, being
it's an office and kind of a smaller
building, I really don't think that that
would be an issue. Um
what's the what's the use of the office
that's being proposed though is this
they are investment company kind of real
estate company. Okay. Yeah.
So you can see by the amount of parking
spaces we have you know 11 spaces. I
doubt we'll even use that to be honest
with you. Okay. Would you have an would
you have any sorry to cut you off just
so this is really not much of a public
use building as more of a private use.
Would would you there be any objection
from the applicant to use a a higher um
reinforcement on the base condition of
the stucco for the first up to the
window glazing? Same same material but
with a we are wood framed. So you have
any suggestions sir? I'm sorry. We are
woodframed building since it's so small.
We're going to do a wood frame system.
Wood trusses, wood wood studs. Okay. So
your harder durability product would you
think in a veneer or something or No,
no. talking about are you using ephus or
stucco? We can use whichever one will
get us to the board, sir. Uh, no, no,
no. I'm just what you're planning on
right now. Right now, three coat stucco.
Okay. Three coat very smooth sand finish
modern stucco. Okay. Is there is there
an ability to upgrade the the mesh to
make it a slightly more durable? Is I
know that that's a sure that's you can
use the same material. I'm just asking
that you have an upgraded mesh condition
on the base. You can do that. Okay.
Usually for for projects that have eaves
or a stucco product coming down to grade
adjacent directly adjacent to a sidewalk
from a just from a building quality
standpoint. I've asked that question a
bunch just if if you don't have a stone
or a tile base or something like that to
have an upgraded reinforcement. Okay.
Okay. That's all I wanted to know. I can
if anybody else has questions, they can
go, but that's all I have. All right.
Thank you,
Commissioner Gonzalez.
Yes. Thank you. Uh just basically why
did you remove the uh you made the
modification why was that modification
uh
moved that when you delayed it de uh you
missed out on the canopy area that you
were talking about? Is that what your
change was talking about? Well, I think
the one of the reasons that we modified
the canopy is due to the fact of the
trash compactor. Can you speak in the
microphone a little bit better? Thank
you. Sorry. Uh, one of the reasons that
we modified the front canopy is because
of the trash enclosure and we had it off
to the right and the city of Scottsdale
came back and said that we couldn't have
it right up against the property line
like like that. So, we really had to put
it in front of the building. We also
have a recess trash enclosure so it's
half in half out of the ground to kind
of minimize it because it's the front of
our building. Again, this is a triangle
lot. Our frontage is on the triangle,
the most skinny part of our property
lines there. So that canopy that we did
have in the original design didn't seem
to to function as well. Uh so we had to
minimize it.
Was there any um right here? It's kind
of hard to say off the rendering, but do
you know what was the dimensions of that
canopy? You're talking about them in the
front door way.
The front door canopy stayed the same.
Okay. What is the dimension of that
front door canopy? Out of curiosity.
Come on. If you could rem remember what
that size was.
The front door canopy projects off the
building 4 foot. Okay. The canopy that
goes around the building
is 3 foot8.
So, okay. You So, you made
that. So, you offset that pop 2 feet
coming off there. Do you think that's a
enough of a canopy at the front door to
kind of provide a shading atmosphere to
that entrance way? I do. And as you
noticed, the the front doors are also
recessed. So, it projects out the the
four feet, but then you have a recess of
another, you know, two feet there. So,
okay. Yeah, that's that was the hard
part. I was having trouble with the
rendering seeing where the offset was on
the inside. Okay. Very good. Thank you,
sir. All right. Thank you.
Do we have any other questions?
Okay, I'll propose to um I'll make a
motion to approve
25-dr2024 per the staff recommended
stipulations with adding the stipulation
that the applicant works with staff to
add a higher reinforcement um stucco
material for the for the bottom 24 in of
the sidewalk adjacent facade on
property. Um after finding that this has
met the remainder of the development
review board criteria.
Second.
Vice Mayor Dubosquez. Yes. Vice Chair
Brand. Yes. Commissioner Gonzalez. Yes.
Board member Paser. Yes. Board member
Fake.
Yes. Board member Mason. Yes. Board
member Robinson. Yes. Motion passes 70.
Thank you.
All right, we'll move on to consent
agenda or regular agenda item number
six, which is 36D
2024. And I'll ask Vice Chair Brandt,
did you have specific questions or would
you like to see the staff presentation?
I have the exact same question. All
right,
I'm full of questions today, but only
one question.
Good.
My name is Jim Larson. I've had the
interesting benefit of having two items
on the same agenda for the first time in
my entire career.
So, I'll be able to answer questions for
this.
Well, since you were here for the last
I'll repeat the same question, but I do
have the same and especially since the
two items were on the same agenda, a
very similar building use, a hanger
space and both had a really
predominantly gray pallet. Um, just as
now I I will with a caveat, I know that
this is an exposed tilt building, right?
So you've got multiple paint colors on a
on a tilt predominantly tilt building.
Correct. The hanger is a tilt building.
Um the office building basically
is a steel
frame and um and steel studs. Okay. So
the portion that we're looking at right
now, the the right hand portion of that
image, which is also over here, if you
don't have to if you can see that
straight ahead, you're looking at um the
steel studs and um um a GFRC rain
screen.
So the GFRC rain screen is the portion
to the right of the glazed entry there.
Is that correct? From the vertical all
the way around the corner. Okay. So the
vertical is what separates the tilt from
the GFR from GFRC.
It's where we we have the the tilt
concrete panel meet the framing. Okay.
So, those those two vertical elements
are where the tilt stops and the framing
starts. This the second one is uh an
opening in the um uh in the tilt panel
because we're actually putting light in
the hanger with some vertical strip
windows on the side of those verticals.
Okay.
Is there from from the can you just talk
a little bit about
the design the same question that we had
last time about about providing the
right is this is this based off of tone
the tone of the of a corporate pallet as
well or is the gray just the strategy to
kind of do what is appropriate within
the air park or what's been the what was
the pallet strategy here this uh
originally this building it was nearly
black and white uh it was approved by uh
the DR four or five years ago permitted
went all the way to final plan check and
approval and stopped. So the the
property and the drawings were picked up
by a new developer. They threw out the
black and white um because of evidently
some personal responses to so the GFRC
is uh tan tan and gray and some other
and a darker u literally a darker gray
brown band.
The rendering doesn't do it the material
justice and unfortunately the I can't
retrieve the color boards because
they're in Wyoming with with the client.
Okay. So, what's represented here is
maybe not. Did you say that the the
tones of the are a little bit warmer?
More like a clay. Much warmer. Much
warmer than what's represented here.
Okay. Would there be any objection to
having a a non-graay sophet material?
Maybe something that was a little bit
more of a faux wood tone or something
like that from the same the the sidet
over the porch or Yeah. Yeah. The port
over the porch in the entry or something
that was a break from from gray. No
objections at all. We can do anything
there. Okay. Um actually we didn't deal
with the uh sophets underneath the two
major overhangs with the client in any
detail. the uh angled angled facade was
quite a bit of discussion and that that
became gray. Okay. Um warm brown gray.
Okay. I'm going to make the same motion
for approval. And this is annoying
probably for staff, but I'm going to do
it anyway. Um finding that there's not
any other questions from the board, but
thank you for thank you for your time.
Okay. Do we have any other questions for
the applicant?
No other questions. Great. I'll make a
motion to approve case
36-d2024 for the staff recommended
stipulations with the additional
stipulation for the applicant to work
with staff to make sure that the correct
um gray tone distinction is applied to
the building and the possible addition
of a of a wood toned sophet um to
complement the gray on the building. Um
finding that the project met all other
development review board criteria.
Second.
Vice Mayor Dubasquez. Yes. Vice Chair
Brand, yes. Commissioner Gonzalez, yes.
Board member Peaser, yes. Board member
FE,
yes. Board member Mason, yes. Board
member Robinson, yes. Motion passes 70.
Thank you.
All right, we will move on to regular
agenda item number 7 37DR 2024 and we're
ready for our presentation.
Thank you, Vice Mayor Dvasquez, uh,
Commissioner Gonzalez and board members
Greg Bloomberg with current planning,
principal planner here to give you a
presentation for
4242 North Scottsdale Road.
site is located just south of Fifth
Avenue. Have the Gilbert Ortega building
between Fifth Avenue and this site,
Scottsdale Road to the east, and local
Patrone restaurant to the south and a
city parking garage southwest of the
site. So, just a little background and a
summary of the request. This is a
repurpose and remodel of an existing of
existing buildings for a new restaurant.
Uh at the 5:1525 hearing, uh the
applicant requested a continuence
uh to allow time for uh uh to respond to
some concerns raised by the neighbor to
the south. Uh and staff received quite a
few emails which are included in your
report. Uh and the main concern
expressed by the owner of the
establishment to the south and the
patrons and employees of that
establishment was the massing of the
patio enclosure. So, the applicant met
with uh met with that property owner,
and the solution that was agreed upon
was uh a recess at the southeast corner
of the patio that basically creates a
notch that allows for the people uh the
patrons on the patio for Ogo Patron just
to not feel like they're so close to
that wall. There still be some
visibility to the
north. From a site plan perspective,
again, there's two existing buildings
Uh there's a building on the north side
and a building on the west side. Uh
there is a small addition proposed
uh for that west building. The rest of
this area here is all patio space. Uh
there is one physical parking space back
here. And there is a a series of uh bike
parking uh bike park racks here along
Scottsdale Road which will be a nice
amenity for folks that are wanting to
visit the establishment on their bikes.
Uh, I'll go on to the landscape plan.
And the thing I want to focus on here,
again, there's some landscaping in the
patio area, but the massive improvement
to the pedestrian realm as part of this
project. We'll get an 8ft sidewalk uh
detached from the street and some live
oaks uh in that landscape area as well
as some uh shrubbery. So, that
pedestrian experience is going to be
improved uh
substantially. So, look at the
elevations. uh colors and materials are
generally consistent with our sensitive
design principles, warm earth and
colors. Uh the main uh concern that
staff initially had with this particular
proposal was the uh the size of that of
that patio barrier. Uh you know,
normally we see something more along the
lines of three or four feet in height.
And what we're hoping for with these uh
external patios is some in some
interaction between pedestrians on the
street and the patrons on the patio.
That's what the Oldtown design
guidelines strive for. And so we
expressed that to the to the applicant.
And initially the the breeze block that
you see right here was a lot denser.
There wasn't uh much opportunity for
people to look in or vice versa. So
there's now a more of a a much more open
breeze block proposed as part of that uh
faux facade, I'll call it. So there is
that ability to see in see what's going
on and then for the folks on the patio
to see what's what's what the people
that are passing on the street. So in
general uh we feel is consistent with
the with the
guidelines and these are the uh zero lot
line basically elevations that show this
shows you the uh improvements over
here. Uh this is the color and materials
board. You can see that breeze block up
at the upper right and these materials
colors as I mentioned are consistent
with the
guidelines. Uh this is a perspective uh
from Scottsdale Road looking
southwest. And then this is a
perspective that had to be modified last
minute uh because it now shows you can
see the patio for local patron right
here. You can see how close the the uh
patio enclosure for this project was to
that patio. Uh with that recess uh here,
that uh massing and that that
claustrophobic perhaps uh feeling has
been alleviated and the uh then the
property owner to the south is now
satisfied with the
design. That concludes staff's
presentation. I'm happy to answer any
questions and the applicant team is also
here to answer questions.
Commissioner Gonzalez.
Thank you. Um
Mr. Bloomberg, u um this patio uh is
that complies uh with the addition of
the occupancy. It complies with the uh
the parking the private parking around
it.
Vice Mayor Devosquez and Commissioner
Gonzalez, that's uh more of a zoning
issue, but I will address it as much as
I can. Um, it does comply with the
ordinance, but for the most part, now
there was uh an overage of bike parking
credits originally proposed and the
adjustment to those bike parking credits
has resulted in uh a 1.6 space deficit
for this project. However, that will be
stipulated to be resolved prior to
construction plan submitt. It's a minor
uh situation that they can resolve. So,
in other words, aside from that, it does
meet all the parking requirements. Do
you by any chance recall what the
occupancy would be on that patio?
I would defer to the architect to answer
that. Okay.
Good afternoon. Uh my name is RD Vhill
with AV3 Design. I'm the architect for
the project and the occupancy for the
patio is assembly for restaurant use.
What is the um then do you um what was
the fire marshall's occupancy rate on
that? Um so we haven't gone through the
construction drawings, but it would meet
all aspects of fire egress. We have
multiple exits. Um I'm not sure if
that's answered, but you don't know how
many tabletops or anything that you're
going to be able to put on that patio.
Uh so we haven't got that far as far as
the count of table occupancies. We do
have an occupancy that we will meet for
all of our restrooms, all of the uh
exits. Um the quantity of tables will be
flexible ultimately once we get into the
interior design. Are you planning on
having live music or anything on that
patio? Uh, we haven't had that
discussion. Um, I don't think so. I
think it's mostly ambient music. This is
a luxury restaurant. So, the intention
is is that it's more of an ambient
background music that will be lighter.
Uh, it's not a a loud restaurant.
Okay. And then, uh, one other question
then. U with the agreement that you have
with the the neighbor next to you, are
you going to have are you going to put
it into a deed as far as the restriction
as far as what you're going to perform
there or how are you going to uh
transfer the the ability to to establish
uh what you're going
to create there with in in adjoining the
neighbor? Well, there's two separate
properties. So, um, the property that
we're remodeling, the patio courtyard,
um, there will be no interference
between the two properties whatsoever.
So, whatever they're playing in their
music won't interfere with what we're
doing in this property. Uh, so there's a
solid wall and the walls or nothing
really crosses that property that would
require such agreement. Okay. Very good.
Thank you very much.
Do we have any other questions?
So, my concern with this project is the
parking. Um, so can we talk a little bit
about how we get there and then what do
we think the proposed solution is for
the 1.6?
Uh, Vice Mayor Dascus and Commissioner
Gonzalez and members of the development
review board were really getting outside
of the purview of the development review
board by talking about parking. They're
really getting into land use and
planning at that point. So that's what I
would say to that.
Does anybody have any questions?
I don't have questions, but I have
comments. I did have a I did have a
meeting with the applicant just for the
for the um clarity of the board. Um I
had a meeting with the applicant to talk
about materials and design. Um, when I
first looked at the elevation, I thought
it looked um, elegantly simple, but I
was also worried that um, some of the
details and the facade may not be good.
Um, however, after um, talking with the
applicant, understanding the true
material pallet of the building, which
is all of the details on the Scottsdale
Road furniture are pre-cast and actually
handone pre-cast concrete. the the block
is a is a very nice custom breeze block.
Every storefront door in here is a steel
window, which if anyone knows custom
steel windows, they're beautiful. Um, so
I think just I thank the applicant for
the meeting. Um, I really think this
will be a great addition to the street
front of Oldtown, which has been a long
I've walked this area many, many times
and it's kind of the the spot where you
just want to kind of get through that
area um to get to the next spot. Um, and
this will actually be a really enjoyable
spot to walk by. So, I really appreciate
your time. Um, the other thing that we
didn't that we talked about is really
the the
signage for the project and that's a
deferred submitt. It's not part of the
purview, but I I think understanding
this the um how this building will be
branded from a from a restaurant
standpoint and the quality of the
establishment, it makes me very
comfortable that this will be a great
addition and and really a huge upgrade
to the walkable streetscape of the
Oldtown area. So, thank you very much
the both to the applicant and to the uh
property owner for for in in really
improving the the frontage on Scottsdale
Road. That's all I have. Thank you, Vice
Chair.
Vice Mayor Dubasquez, if I would uh be
able to join in real quickly. I believe
there's one public comment on this item.
We have one written comment. Well, one
written. Okay. Thank you.
Do we need to read it?
All right. Do we have a motion?
I'd make a motion to approve
uh 37DR
uh
2024. Move to approve the case per staff
recommendation recommended stipulations
after finding a development application
meets the development review board
criteria. Additional findings for the
development of the Oldtown area.
Second. Vice Mayor Debasquez, yes. Vice
Chair Brand, yes. Commissioner Gonzalez,
no. No. On that,
Board Member Peaser, yes. Board member
FE, yes. Board member Mason, yes. Board
member Robinson, yes. Motion passes 61.
Thank you.
All right. Do we have a motion to
adjurnn?
Motion to adjurnn.
Second.
Thank you.