Planning Commission - June 11, 2025

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hearing with roll call.
Chair Scarboro here. Vice Chair Young
here. Commissioner Gonzalez present.
Commissioner
here.
Commissioner Joiner present.
Commissioner Higs present. All here.
Thank you. Uh right now let's go to uh
do we have any public comment for
non-aggendaized items?
And seeing none, we'll move on. Uh,
administrative report by Mr. Curtis.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the
planning commission.
Just wanted to remind us all that um
this is uh Commissioner Higgs last
meeting with us. Uh and after uh a full
six years of uh performance and
volunteering and uh reading and doing
everything that you have to do as a
planning commissioner on top of all of
the things she did previous to that with
the transportation commission uh um a
great volunteer, a great commissioner,
and we're sad to see her go. Um, but
hopefully she has uh more volunteering
opportunities somewhere in the community
uh to help everybody else, not just uh
planners and planning commission and
city council. So certainly appreciated
all of her years of service uh many of
which were as the chairperson of the
planning commission and uh she ran that
well as a great leader. So thank you for
your your time.
Um just wanted to let the planning
commission know uh the council looks
like they'll be appointing two new uh
planning commissioners
um on uh on the 24th of this month. So
uh we'll have some new faces hopefully.
Um the 25th of this month is the next
regular schedule planning commission
meeting, but we don't have any regular
uh items anticipated. So we may be
cancelling the um June 25th meeting. So,
the next meeting would be July 9th, and
we do uh anticipate having some items at
the July 9th uh planning commission
meeting. Um just wanted to let you guys
know um and you're all familiar with uh
every year all the boards and
commissions do an annual report to the
city council. You typically see that in
January recognizing what was done uh
just a basic list of what was done uh
the previous year. Um this year um for
the first time the city council has
requested presentations from the boards
and commissions regarding their annual
review. Um the uh the planning
commission's presentation is scheduled
for July uh 2nd to the city council.
There's going to be some other boards
and commission presenting on July 1st
and including the development review
board um and uh in our world
neighborhood advisory commission as
well. Uh but the planning commission um
presentation will be July 2nd uh with
participation from uh chair scar bro and
staff. So something new just wanted to
let you guys uh become aware of that. I
don't know if this will be an ongoing
annual thing, but I think it'll give the
opportunity for the uh for the city
council to get familiar with the boards
and commissions regarding their annual
review um with a little bit of facetime
is uh what we're um anticipating. And
so, thank you for chair Scarwell for
volunteering uh to uh be there and we'll
see how that goes. Just wanted to let
you know about that. Um, that is all I
have. Just for the record, Commissioner
Tell is uh on tonight telephonically.
Thank you, Mr. Curtis and uh
Commissioner Higgs. It's uh it's been a
pleasure serving with you and you will
be missed.
Uh moving on to the minutes. Are there
any comments or motions regarding the
minutes of May 28th? Chair Scar Bro, I
move uh for approval of the May 28, 2025
regular meeting minutes as written. And
we have a motion. Do I have a second?
I'll second. And we have a second. Roll
call, please. Chair Scarbro, yes. Vice
Chair Young, yes. Commissioner Gonzalez,
yes. Commissioner Ertel,
yes. Commissioner Joiner, yes.
Commissioner Higs, yes. Motion passes.
Thank you. Uh we do have item number
two. Uh it is on consent agenda, but one
of the commissioners has requested that
it move to regular agenda. So, if we
could go ahead and have uh Mr. Zimmer
give us your report.
Chair Scarboro, Voice, Vice Chair uh
Young, and Commissioners. Thank you. My
name is Chris Zimmer. I'm a senior
planner here with the city of
Scottsdale, and I'm here to present to
you one UP 2025, uh the Rose Lane
Education Service.
Uh here's a context aerial of the site.
Um it is located uh northeast of the uh
corner of McDonald Drive and Hayden Road
um directly east of Sorero High School.
Um it is located on Rose Lane um with
the building centrally located.
Uh here's a site plan for the proposed
use. You'll see the classrooms in the uh
front of the building closer to Rose
Lane. Um and then again uh parking
situated around the site uh
approximately
uh 2.2 acres. The building size is about
18,900
square ft. Um and uh there's 94 parking
stalls required and they have about 124
currently.
Uh the existing zoning is R17. uh a
conditional use permit would be required
for an educational service on an R17
property. And that is what the applicant
is requesting today.
And the action for this request is that
sta uh staff recommends the planning
commission uh find that the conditional
use permit criteria have been met. Um is
consistent and conforms with the general
plan uh and makes a recommendation to
city council for approval. Um that ends
staff's presentation. Happy to take any
questions.
Thank you, Mr. Zimmer. Do I have any
questions from commissioners? Okay,
Commissioner Gonzalez.
Um, yes, sir. I'd like to ask you uh a
few questions. First of all, um, do you
have a anything to show the circulation
on that property? I know there was a
word description that came with our
packet, but you know, I'm not Okay. So,
if you can show me on uh on the overhead
um the view of the overhead view on the
parking lot how the circulation works on
that. Of course. Uh Chair Scarboro um
Commissioner Gonzalez um we have worked
with the transportation department and
the applicant to come with uh some
stipulations that you see in front of
you today. I work on uh circulation
essentially from the western drive aisle
and having it go around the northern
part of the building so that all the
queuing is essentially stacked on the
property instead of onto Rose Lane. Can
you go to that other slide just before
the photo the overhead photo?
Okay. So the entrance to there is on the
Would you say the U looking if if you
say the top of that is north? Correct.
Correct. Then on the souththeast
uh corner of that property line, that's
the drive that goes in there. Is that
correct? Chair Scarboro, Commissioner
Gonzalez, there are two existing
entrances. It's kind of uh covered up by
this red line here, but there's one
existing entrance on the east side and
also on the west side. So there's two.
So the west side driveway is open, too.
So the circulation would follow. Are you
saying that that like that red line
there is the circulation flow? That
would be our intent uh for the
stipulation in front of you. Okay. So,
when it's flowing that way, then
basically what you're saying is there's
parking there's parking lines in that
circulation path.
Do you do you recall that or see that or
anything like that?
Um are you referring to there's parking
on the outside of that perimeter where
you have the pathways. There's parking
spaces there.
Yeah, the the big change, Commissioner
Gonzalez, for this one is the uh loading
and unloading zones um on this uh
eastern. And where would that be? It's
on the eastern side right now. You'll
see there's actually like a tree island
right here that's actually going to be
removed and the queueing will actually
go back. Let me go back to the site
plan. And you'll see these uh stalls are
actually kind of like uh dashed, which
means they're going to be removed uh as
a part of this. So the striping would be
included in in uh those trees are going
to be removed. Uh the stalls would be
removed. Yes. But they have a surplus
currently of parking stalls to be
sufficient for the project. Okay. So
then the circulation is going to go
counterclockwise. Am I assuming that? Uh
it would be clockwise. Actually it would
be clockwise. So people are going to be
coming in from the uh the the um
southwest corner intersecting and going
clockwise going to the back of the
property and coming back down. Correct.
Okay. So this this is anticipation that
uh the uh parking lot will be
basically kind of closed off a little
bit so the cars can't park in the in
that circulation point.
Correct. Currently, there is a uh
emergency vehicles easement uh that
would cover anything uh any vehicles
that would be located in there and
they're supposed to keep that open.
Okay. So now um so we're dealing with
how many parking spots the after the
circulation's brought in, how many spots
will be available then? 124.
What's the current uh number now? Uh I
believe it's uh over that. Let me see.
So they had 131 prior to uh making some
modifications to the site plan. So
they're only going to remove six seven
parking spots. It would appear. Yes.
That's going to cover more than seven
parking spots if you make that
circulation point there. I was on that
property today and yesterday and I've
been on that property for the last 35
years. So I've I famili I'm familiar
with this pro property here even when it
was a Boys and Girls Club and the reason
why the Boys and Girls Club even moved
and sold there is because the
neighborhood in that general area didn't
like the circulation that was happening
at that time period. Now there's two
other there's an elementary school up
the street from there. Am I correct on
that? Correct. Okay. And that is what
which school is that?
Uh the PBLO Elementary School. So, PBLO
has how many uh students in there? I
currently do not have that information.
And then then down the street from PBLO
is Sarro High School. Correct. Okay. And
the problem was at the time that the
boys and girls school was that uh
Sawarro students exited from Sawarro and
kind of blocked that area and actually
had a backw.
So basically what you're saying now is
that this is going to be a um a u a
preschool am I correct preschool is what
what K to one or something with what is
preschool in this interpretation active
what ages group is that commissioner
Gonzalez uh preschool would be two and a
half and older two and a half to five or
six correct okay so those mothers are
not going to drop off their children.
They're going to accompany their
children into school. Am I correct?
I would assume so. Yes. Okay. I'm
speculating. I'm sorry. Then if those
women are going to park there, they're
going to be parking in the parking lot
and dropping their schools off. They're
not going to be circulating around and
dropping ch their young children off to
go to school. That's an assumption I
think most elementary schools take into
plan. The other part is in this part if
they have because is this going to be a
charter or a voucher school?
I'll have the applicant come up and
answer those questions for you. But he
Yeah, that's fine. Whatever he however
he wants to address it.
Commissioner Gonzalez and uh planning
commission members Tom Frankle applicant
6716 Monaceto um Commissioner Gonzalez I
also had a long time in that area with
it. That's right. Yes. So I and I
purchased it actually from the Boys and
Girls Club so I was very familiar of
with the problem. Exactly. A little
background and I think it'll maybe put
your fears to risk right now. Sarro High
School spills onto those streets. Um,
PBLO really does not at all. And uh,
when we purchased the property, we spent
probably $650,000 putting in that huge
parking lot uh, so we could park without
having, you know, whatever uses we chose
to have there so we would not have to
spill onto the street. In fact, the
problem we have is we put in such a nice
parking lot that when school's in
session or teachers want to pick up
their kids from Sarro, we tend to act as
their staging ground. So, it's not the
way we intended to use it. But the
background prior uh we had a bridge club
in there. We were able to a bridge club
in a temple and we parked all our own
people. This school is a monasuri type
school. So, it's not um we're regulated
by the things that staff and the code
says as far as uh providing a staging
area. The reality of it um in function,
maybe some people will use it as a
drive-thru, but most parents, if you
have a two or threeyear-old and maybe
your grandchildren, um
you park and drop your kid off and when
you and they it's staggered. So it's not
the school day ends at a certain time um
and you pick your child up when you're
ready to pick it up. So we definitely
have more than enough parking on site.
We have to have the staging area. Do I
ever think there's going to be a point
where we wrap around that entire
building and spill out onto Rose Lane?
If that's a concern, that's zero concern
on my end. It's a smaller school. Um, if
your concern is that we're going to have
a staging area and block some of the
parking where they'll be able to park,
we've got a pretty ample I mean most
preschools at most have 20 or 30 spaces,
you know, for a similar size school and
we have what was it 120 121
um and we had to adhere to what the code
says as far as providing that area.
In essence, I don't think it'll get
used. My prediction will be most people
will park in that area, drop their kid
off because it's close to the entrance
and and leave. Does that answer your
question a little a little bit? Um my my
it's not just my concern. Um I am in
that school district area myself, the
Sarro district, the Pebble district. Uh
I know that facility fairly well. Um the
I think the main concern is that I've
had some uh talks with some residents in
that area. They're very fearful of that
area returning back to what the problems
were in the past. And you know, and that
that is an older area. It's it's
generating, you know, they're bringing
younger families in, but it's still not
what you'd call a a heavy young uh area
for children. There's not a lot of young
children. the pedestrian crosswalks
probably wouldn't be would be kind of
used a little bit, but it wouldn't be a
heavy usage like you say. But the thing
of it is is that the people around there
who live in this area are very fruitful
because they have long memories in there
and the and the thing of it is is
they're really afraid of the impact that
a school that way would come into. Now,
one of the questions was that was asked
of me was that is there any other
continuous use going to be on that
property? Because right now, like you
said, there's a bridge club, there's a
church club or u um No, no, there was a
bridge that was the original use. That
was there there is no longer a bridge
club there. Um, I did when I originally
got it approved, when I switched it from
a a Boys and Girls Club to the current
use with the parking, I had overwhelming
support unanimous. I had everyone
joining that property signed and was in
support of it. Uh, we've had
no contact, you know, we've contacted
everyone. I don't think I think that if
you were concerned about a charter
school might be of concern if you're
going to have you know hundreds of kids
there but I think this is probably a mon
it's a it's not monosuri but it's a kind
of a monasuri based type of preschool
I don't want to call it touchyfey but
it's kind of a touchyfey thing and I
think it's probably the best impact that
you could ever want for a site like
this. Well then, um,
when you got your did you get
projections from the from the monastery
group or whatever as far as what what
the what the what it looked like as far
as their student population? Is it going
to be from the immediate area? Did they
say did they hope to pull from that
immediate area?
I mean, first of all, I never I never,
you know, I I, as a long-term landlord,
want to functionally park that and have
a tenant for a long time. So, I I don't
usually pay a lot of attention to what
they're going to say. I I look at it and
say, functionally, is this really going
to work? I'm very comfortable with with
it's a national school, meaning this is
their first uh their first school
outside of the West Co or the East Coast
is where they're primarily. I think they
have 40 or 50 schools. Um, I just think
it's a very low impact. I I hear your
concern, but I mean I I guess I've put
more parking on that site than any
preschool I can think of anywhere in
Scottsdale. And plus, the operator I'm
very comfortable with. Uh, he and his
wife have signed the lease themselves
and they live in Scottsdale. I I just
don't share the concern that
under any circumstances
that would be either underparked or the
traffic from it would would spill out
and affect
uh the people on Rose Lane or the
community. In fact, they're affecting my
property that I put all the money in to
create the beautiful situation that's
there. May I ask what the uh what the
term of the lease is on that? It's a
10-year lease.
Well,
I guess maybe what the main concern is
is that
to me it's an unknown product
as far as the usage in the school and
stuff like that. the the people really
don't you know there wasn't you probably
did your outreach as what you're
concerned with that you ne necessarily
had to do but there was some people who
have talked to me and said that and they
were in close proximity of this said
that they had no notice or they didn't
notice and I understand that's not your
fault you do your mailings and you know
that's you know if if they respond they
don't respond whatever They do they show
up open houses or not? But there is
concern in the immediate area. Maybe not
the people that got served or maybe they
didn't understand it, but they there is
a concern that of the traffic flow that
comes in and out of that area because
it's totally all residential.
This is a very unique property and I'm
sure that's you know one reason why you
bought it and everything. It's a very
unique area. it was being utilized for
the longest time as that boys and girls
club and it it it was very suitable at
that time period but that profile has
also changed in that area too. So most
of the mo most of the people that I have
been able to talk to as far as the
neighbors
really don't see the need for it there
for their immediate area. They just
don't see that many young families
working in living in that area. it's
gotten to be very expensive and it's
kind of out of the reach for a lot of
young families. So, a lot of the
approach that they see it as as a
independent school or whatever is that
there's going to be a lot of traffic
flow into it. And because it's not just
preschool, how much of it is uh the
elementary goes up to what grade?
I don't believe it. There is an
elementary school there. It's a
preschool. Okay. It said preschool ele
said in the in the consent agenda it
says elementary and secondary school
preschool
I believe that's the term you classified
in this you know but I I I guess well is
it an elementary school or not that's
just simple you know is it going to be
first grade second grade third grade
fourth grade all the way to six or not
Brian where does it go to do you
remember
six years old,
six years old. But I guess I know you
don't see the impact on it, but other
people put it this way. First of all, I
respect that you have the concern, but
of all the things that could possibly go
there, of all the things, a church, a
charter school, um
any kind of a technical school, all the
things that potentially could go there,
I've I'm delivering to myself, but also
to that community
um the lowest impact, probably best use
possibly pick for it. In addition with a
w with parking five, six times to what a
a traditional school would be and to
someone who has to put up a big white
sign and a big red sign and contact all
the neighbors and has a mobile listed.
My mobile, not my architect's mobile,
not the applicant's mobile, my mobile.
I'm very accessible and I have a history
in that neighborhood, right? that I
would be very surprised
if there was a real concern of people
that thought this was
a a and again if you're the steward of
of wanting that I respect that but
certainly I didn't even have the
opportunity to address that if that
exists I would question
uh if it really does
and my guess would be is that the
majority of those residents would love
the idea of that a high-end monastery
type school was moving there versus any
other possible use. Sure. And I
understand I understand your feelings
about it and everything like that. What
what happened to the church? Did it not
work anymore for the area or they didn't
have the congregation or or the support
or or what what ended up that usage co
Okay. I mean, that happened to all of
us, right? Well, I I think that's
basically, you know, the the
some people, and I'm not saying
everybody in the area, but like I said,
you know, the area, I know the area, I
know people there. I've had people come
and and at talk to me and call me
because I know people who still live in
that area. We we we still aged in that
area. And so what happens is is that
they like the church being there because
and they like the the bingo parlor or
whatever and the bridge club and
everything because that was very low
usage for the area. They didn't see much
traffic on there and even at the church
times they only they only had like
Wednesday nights and Sunday nights and
Sunday mornings to really contend with
and there wasn't a lot of usage there.
Now, when you're bringing in a school
in, you're you're bringing in if if
they're pulling local residents in that
general area, the kids, you know, if
they're old enough, they're going to be
walking to school. They're going to be
walking to school because that's a
residential area. You're going to have a
lot more higher usage than you had
previously in the last 10 years. And
that's what the people are afraid of.
That that's that's the question about
it's not that they don't want a school
there, but that they think that the
usage will be impact them a lot more
just like the schools down the street.
Now, of course, there's a lot of
difference besides the size of the the
size of the schools and what they are.
But if people bring if they're bringing
in 150 students, you got to figure it
out. At least there's 75 cars coming in
and out of the place. Maybe.
I mean, it's just a matter of traffic
flow. And I didn't see a traffic on this
middle here. I did not see a traffic
indication of the circulation or
anything on there. And that's why I
asked about the packet if it had it.
That's my question is the traffic. Well,
again, I I put it this way.
I have 40 years in this community. I
personally don't share your concerns
about traffic in that type of use with a
18,000 square foot building.
I would submit to you that when we had
the bridge club there, I mean at times
there were 150 people parked there
coming in and out. It was probably five
times the use of this would be this is
one time in the morning and probably a
couple times in the afternoon. I I and
and
I don't know
if put it this way if if it's an older
area, which it is in a reasonable area
to live versus others, um maybe it would
go be good for some of the elderly
people in there to see really beautiful
young children going to school there. I
mean, I don't know if that's, you know,
we we only want churchgoers from 65 to
80 on Sunday. I don't I can't you know
and when you make an investment I'm
looking at this and saying uh this is a
building these are the uses are
available available to me under the
zoning um I'm my children are going to
own this when I die I I don't have any
interest in putting a a uh a tenant in
there where I'm going to create a
nightmare not only for myself but for
that neighborhood and the neighborhood
is I'm pretty wellliked in that
neighborhood. No, no, it's
understandable and I I understand you're
where you're coming from and everything.
I do kind of the same thing, you know,
different investments in in different
projects. But what I'm saying is is how
many of these projects have you done
that have been surrounded like
residential single families like this?
Your areas are usually projected in our
apartments and areas like that that are
kind of connected to commercial areas
and everything. You have created a
buffer. You have a buffer. This has no
buffer other than the trees and they're
taking out the trees for the
circulation.
I guess I might I might say that first
of all you sometimes you can't make
everyone happy. I don't know anyone that
isn't happy but you right now in terms I
don't know how the rest of the
commissioners feel but my neighborhood I
think is pretty happy and I do call it
my neighborhood. I've been there. I
spent a lot of money to create that.
Okay. And um
well I I appreciate your position.
That's fine. You don't you don't you
know we don't have to continue this. I
understand what you're saying and
everything. All I'm going to do is
recommend right now that I'd like to
have a continuence on on this project so
that we could see a little bit more the
transportation uh diagrams and
everything and see the flows and make
sure that everything is everything works
off and I know the transportation signed
off on this but I didn't see any
particular details to it and that's why
I'm saying is a lack of detail and lack
of information that leaves me wondering
about the whole project at this time.
I'm not saying I don't like the project.
I'm just saying this. I don't have
enough to make a real solid decision as
far as the res. I'm going to tell you as
an applicant, this is very and and I
would because I don't want to volunteer
and be on the board and I respect that
people do. It is
extremely disappointing
that you would have that attitude. uh
for the work that went into this.
I have 121 parking spaces for a a
preschool. I would challenge you to find
any preschool in Scottsdale that has
more than 40. So, as far as where
they're going to park, that's not an
issue. as far as are they going to go on
to Rose Lane? How if you if you stacked
and the the staff did ask for me to to
uh load from the west versus the east,
which we probably would have preferred
the east, so that there would be if
there ever was a situation where parents
were waiting, they wouldn't go into Rose
Lane. Brian, how many cars in the
circulation pattern can be accommodated?
30 cars. So there would have to be 30
cars waiting for the monastery school
that people don't wait anyway. They
bring their kid in. Um so what what
you're saying then is that if you have
30 cars surrounded there, they're all
going to be static. They're not moving.
if there were 30 cars, which they're
not, but put it this way, it almost
would be like in a McDonald's
drive-thru. Uh they they allow for 20
cars, and usually a McDonald's
drive-thru does get 20 cars. We drive we
staff had a little bit of your concern
and made us go from the west to east so
that we can stack 30 cars. I don't think
you're going to see five cars ever
because people don't use a a preschool
that way. And then you said the drop off
in front is for five cars, right? Excuse
me. The drop off people who are just
dropping off and and leaving right away
is the in the front of the building has
five positions for it. Uh I don't
believe Well, I think there's three asks
access points to the school. I think
they'll probably use the front. would
you say? Or they've got the entire east
side. They've got the entire east side.
I think they my guess would be they'll
probably stage
from the east side. So,
again, I I want to make everyone happy.
Um, and I do too. That's why I'm asking
for a continuence on it because I want
to make everybody happy. But what what
would we do during our continuence? What
what would we address? I would like to
see the transportation
spelled out a little bit better. I'd
like to see what transport the
transportation department is not here
right now. I can't really address a
whole lot of things with them. I'd like
to see more of the flow, how they
consider the flow, the numbers because
they have 150 parking spots. That's
great when you're parking and
everybody's parking. But what if
nobody's parking there, but they're
moving it? That parking lot's not
something you can cross easily into it.
Once you once you put once you establish
that circulation flow, everybody has to
sit sit in into that system. And then
what about the people who are parked in
there that want to park and then leave?
They want to drop off their children and
park there and run walk their children
into school through the back door
instead of the front door because the
front door is not that easy. That's not
that big in front. So they would park in
the back in the back parking lot and
bring their children in. Then how are
they going to get out if that
circulation is going? They're going to
have to pull out of the parking lot and
they're going to have to double up and
go out the go out that entrance and that
entrance is not that wide to get to have
an egress and ingress in that same well
space. I think
we are night and day on this night and
day. And I hope you never have to be put
in a position to buy a piece of property
like this. Approve get it approved, get
it built,
try to find an appropriate tenant and
appear before a board and have a member
look at it the way you're looking at it.
It's it it's it's upsetting to me. And
it's not that I don't respect the
position. I do. Okay. But it it it I
think it's it's it didn't work for the
Boys and Girls Club either. They had 10
parking spaces. I have 122 parking
spaces. No, I understand. I'd like to
interject at this point. Let's pause and
let's move to other commissioners if
they have any questions for Thank you
very much, Mr. Chairman. Yes,
Commissioner Joiner.
Uh, I had two granddaughters that went
to Monasuri School on Cactus Boulevard
from the time they were two to five. I
often dropped them off at school or
picked them up when my daughter was not
available to do it. I can tell you that
if if they had 30 parking spaces, I
would be surprised. I never had to wait
to get in and get out. And basically how
their structure was, I don't know what
their this is going to be, but the
structure was I didn't have to get out
of my car to drop my girls off. They had
a teacher or a helper, whatever that
took the child, banded them, and off I
drove. There was never a backup of
traffic and basically the kids all got
dropped off. It I I I would have loved
to have had that much parking to drop
them off. It never was necessary and um
I I I love the monastery concept. Paid
money to have my well helped my daughter
but basically um you know I I think this
is a great application. So I am for it.
Thank you, Commissioner Joiner.
Commissioner Higgs. Yes, thank you. Um I
I don't share the the same concerns as
Commissioner Gonzalez. I too also had
kiddos that went through monissary
schools in a different state. But if I
was I remember days there's probably
eight or 10 parking spots and somehow we
made it work. The thing is with those
schools in the younger age groups, the
school isn't starting all at the same
time and people aren't all leaving all
at the same time. they're coming and
going at different times unless I'm
misunderstanding the nature of this
monastery school. But I think that also
helps with the flow is that they're
coming and going at different times. Um
so I just don't see as much of a of a
concern. Um just putting out there with
my personal experience and and uh making
note of people coming and going at
different times. I think that uses the
flow.
Thank you, Commissioner Hicks. Vice
Chair. Thanks, Chair Scarro. Um I too
had three kids that I put through prek,
monastery,
uh various church schools, elementary
school, high school.
One thing that I know is that all of
these schools have protocols for the
safety of the kids and those protocols
are broadcast, published, emailed to all
the parents because they want to have uh
a safe parking lot. I don't see this as
being any different and I think that
well I know that parents respect those
protocols because if not they're going
to be told that they're doing it the
wrong way and that they need to fall in
line and do it the way the school wants
it to be done. There is so much parking
on this property
and
I mean the concerns about circulation
staff has stipulated ingress points,
egress points, circulation paths. I I
this is probably the most innocuous use
for this site and I I'm I guess I'll
just say I support this project. There's
no more comment. I'd like to make a
motion. Yeah, I'd like to give
Commissioner an opportunity to speak.
Commissioner.
Uh, thank you, sir. Um, yeah, I it's
been a long time since I've had kids
that were in preschool. Um, different
era. And you, what I've noticed, because
I do have daughters that work in the
educational, well, three daughters, all
of them work in uh or have worked in the
educational system. Um, one at Lagona,
uh, one at a charter school down, um, in
Gilbert, I guess it was. Um,
yeah, the the times have changed. You
don't just drop the kids off and hope
for the best. Uh, you know, there are uh
the teachers aids uh that that handle
the kids coming in and out, you know,
especially at the younger ages. Um, I am
I'm I'm happy that u uh Commissioner
Gonzalez is concerned about traffic.
That's always, you know, something that
I'm interested in as well. But I was
pleased at the um at the traffic flow as
as it was described or at least I saw in
the package and I guess maybe in
conversations. Um but I think it does
make sense to circle in from the west
and going around. It does uh you know I
think it's well handled. Um if anything
you know as people have been saying
commissioners have been saying it is
overparked. You know it just kind of
bothers me to see land
you know being covered with asphalt and
not really being used for anything. Uh
but at any rate, yes, I am in support
and uh if the vice chair wanted to make
a motion, I would, but I have nothing in
front of me to read, but I'd be
certainly happy to second.
Well, you don't have a finger to put on
a button when you're calling in.
Thank you, Commissioner Tel. Uh before I
uh have the vice chair put a motion
forth, I would say that I'm also in
agreement. I've had a child through
Monasuri and I will tell you there were
seven stalls and uh every morning it was
like clockwork and it all worked. Um and
then in the afternoons depending on when
the the parent was done at work um
there's a a varied window of when kids
would get picked up in the afternoon.
But to have 120 stalls is completely
unheard of. And uh to me my only concern
is I also don't understand the clockwise
motion here. I would have gone the
counterclockwise but again I'm assuming
that that staff and and traffic have
reviewed that and that's where they came
with the idea that the clockwise is the
the correct direction for the flow. I
think a stacking of 30 is phenomenal. Uh
I again my experience in in the
monastery is that that's just unheard of
being able to accommodate 30 cars. I've
also have a child up until last year at
PBLO and uh I know that with the new
school of PBLO that that the traffic
circulation is much improved there too.
Uh so for me I have no concerns on on
traffic uh as it relates to this project
and I too am very supportive of it. And
so with that, I will entertain motions.
Chair Scar Bro, I'd like to make a
motion for recommendation of approval to
city council for case 1 UP 2025 per the
staff recommended stipulations after
finding that the conditional use permit
criteria have been met and the proposed
conditional use permit is consistent and
conforms with the adopted general plan.
I have a motion and I have a second.
Roll call, please. Chair Scarboro. Yes.
Vice Chair Young, yes. Commissioner
Gonzalez, no. Commissioner Hartell, yes.
Commissioner Joiner, yes. Commissioner
Higs, yes. Motion passes.
Thank you. And with that, that concludes
this meeting. Do I have a motion to
adjurnn? So moved. Second.
Second. Second. All in favor say I. I.
I. I. Thank you.