Development Review Board - August 7, 2025

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today's DRB meeting. The date is
August 7th, Thursday, August 7th, 2025.
We're very pleased to be with you. We
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at home and uh remotely.
The purpose of the development review
board is to maintain the quality of
development in Scottsdale
by reviewing all of the design aspects
of proposed development and the
relationship of those design components
to the surrounding environment and
community. This board also reviews all
preliminary plats for subdivisions
to assure conformance to policies and
ordinance requirements. The agenda
consists of the roll call, public
comment of non-aggendaized items,
administrative report, minutes, approval
of the prior meeting, and action items.
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item's motion. The liaison will call
each board member's name to indicate his
or her desired vote for that item. After
the vote has been counted and the
leaison been counted, the leazison may
read out the final vote.
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to my right, your left. U before the
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total of 10 minutes. I remind our
audience that the board's review relates
to designed matters and does not include
consider in consideration of existing
zoning district designations, zoning
entitlements or the allowed uses within
the zoning districts. The board's motion
may be to approve approve with modified
stipulations or steps to deny the
request or continue the case. Thank you
for your interest. Thank you for being
here. And I will now kindly ask Miss
Clark to call the role.
>> Councilman Graham
>> here.
>> Vice Chair Brand
>> here.
>> Commissioner Scar Bro
>> here.
>> Board member Piser
>> here.
>> Board member Fee
>> here.
>> Board member Mason
>> here.
>> Board member Robinson
>> here.
>> All present. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Miss Clark. Now I'll move
from roll call to public comment of
non-aggendaized items. Um, I don't think
there are any. I did get one written
comment
from Mr. Gonzalez.
Can we Oh, I'm This is about item four.
Never mind. That's not about
non-aggendaized items. Pardon me.
So, we don't have any non-aggendaized
public comment. Administrative report,
Mr. Brad Carr. Thank you.
>> Yes. Thank you, Councilwoman Graham, and
uh members of the board. Welcome. Happy
to see you here on this sultry day here
in Scottsdale, Arizona. Um, today I
don't have anything um in particular on
today's agenda items, but I do want to
mention we will be meeting again in two
weeks on the 21st for three agenda items
that are planned for that day. So
hopefully we'll all see you again here
in two weeks. Uh, that concludes today's
administrative report.
>> So you say today's today is sultry
>> sizzling out there right now.
Very good. That was a fine
administrative report, Mr. Carr. Thank
you.
Minutes approval of the prior meeting. I
will invite my colleagues, if they have
any revisions to make to those meeting
minutes, to do so now.
I see none. And with no comment, I will
invite one of my colleagues to motion to
approve the meeting minutes.
>> I'll make a motion. And I'll move to
approve the regular meeting minutes of
the July 17th, 2025 development review
board as presented.
Do I have a second?
>> Second.
>> Vice Chair Brandt, motions.
Uh, board member Robinson seconds. Miss
Clark, if you will call the role.
>> Councilman Graham,
>> yes.
>> Vice Chair Brand,
>> yes.
>> Commissioner Scar Bro,
>> yes. Board member Peaser,
>> yes.
>> Board member Faki,
>> yes.
>> Board member Mason,
>> yes.
>> Board member Robinson,
>> yes.
>> Motion passes. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Miss Clark. We are unanimous.
Moving on from meeting minutes. I will
go now to the
action items.
Oh, double-sided printing or saving
paper. The planet saved. Right there
we have two consent agenda items. Item
number three and item number four. Um I
will invite my colleagues if anybody
would like to ask questions about a
consent agenda item or even if you
should desire to pull a consent agenda
item from consent to the regular u to
the regular
items regular agenda items. Thank you.
Um at this time please let me know. I'd
like to pull item number four 3D 2025
and then I'd like to ask staff a
question on three but not pull it.
>> Very good. We item number four has been
withdrawn from consent and item three
commissioner Scarboro would have a
question for staff. Are there any other
requests from the commissioners or from
the from the board members
or questions on item number three really
I should say?
Okay. Very good. The floor is yours, Mr.
Scarbor, on item three.
>> Thank you, Mr. Carr. Uh, as I'm looking
at this application, uh, the elevations
are pretty monochromatic except for the
Douglas fur wood element, which I like a
lot, but I believe the that Douglas fur
will gray in the sun in a very short
order. And I know that it's called out
to be stained, but I don't think that's
enough to keep that wood element color
on that elevation consistent with what
we're seeing on the elevations. So, I'd
like to understand what can be done to
make sure that that the wood treatment
stays that color of brown and not gray
over time. And I didn't know if maybe
you could answer that or maybe the
applicant could, but either an epoxy
based stained or maybe a different
alternative to a wood that would keep
that collar consistent with what we're
seeing in the elevations.
>> Certainly, Chair Graham, uh,
Commissioner Scarboro, I think that's a
valid question. And I'll ask that the
applicant come on up to the podium and
give a response to that and maybe
provide some background on what they're
thinking for long-term durability of
that material.
My name is Brian Crob. Address is 6519
East Oak Street. Um the um I don't know
if there's a way to kind of look at the
>> Okay,
got it. Um the
idea of the wood is just that we are
introducing a warm element to that
building. Right now it is stucco um CMU
and we're essentially kind of warming it
up. It's kind of our approach. So, we
are rebuilding the covered walkway with
uh a new steel structured
uh kind of support system. And then the
wood is actually a ceiling element. It's
kind of the uh the beams and the the
roof element. It does flare up at the
corner to kind of get that visibility to
the corner. Um, that's one of the things
that we kind of identified about this
project that we wanted to basically en
engage the corner a little more. And so
that was why we kind of took the idea of
of kind of opening up that um covered
element to the corner. So the the actual
kind of protection of the wood, I mean
it is sort of a natural kind of clear uh
clear coat sort of look like we were
trying to keep the the uh uh the look of
the wood, you know, for pretty much as
it as it is. Um you know, we've done,
you know, including like just across the
park, there's a new uh restaurant that's
going up that has a wood sort of wall
and ceiling there. And in that case, we
used a treated um cladding. So it it
could be in that sort of vein that we
just use this treated cladding. It's you
know, heat treated or it's basically
comes prevetted to be in an exterior
environment. And then the fact that it
is a ceiling and that it is uh the you
know not getting the sort of brunt of
the the sun. I mean basically it's
getting some like sunset um um direct
you know hit is a is kind of the goal is
to kind of keep everything protected for
the majority of the day and then it just
there's really nothing you can do at
sunset to kind of protect it. So
>> yeah, and I understand that for the
underside uh on the north and west
elevations uh and that is partly my
concern because they will get western
sun, but it's really also the the V uh
wood trellis pergola sort of design that
you have on the south elevation.
>> Oh, sure.
>> That has full exposure,
>> right? And so I just want to make sure
that the stain you use that if it's
clear or if it might have a pigment that
is consistent with the current Douglas
fur color uh that it may be epoxy based
or something similar that would give it
a longer life so that the application of
the stain is doesn't have to be on an
annual basis to keep that the warmth to
this project.
>> Absolutely. Yeah. And the owner would
also want that as well.
>> Okay. Perfect. If the owner is
comfortable with that and just making
sure that that warmth stays on this
elevation, then thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Any other questions for the applicant
for uh Mr. Brian? What was your last
name?
>> Crob.
>> Crew.
>> Crob. Yes.
>> Can you spell that?
>> K R O B.
>> K R O B. Any other questions for Mr.
Crob?
Um, Commissioner Scar Bro, did you want
to make that a stipulation or did you
want to stify that in any way?
>> As long as the owner is is willing to
honor that, uh, I'm I'm fine.
Ultimately, it does call it a stain. I'm
just suggesting that they use a a more
durable epoxy based stain. Uh, maybe
even an epoxy based stain that has some
pigment in in the collar of birchwood
that keeps that warmth consistent.
>> Absolutely.
Tom Frankle, uh, 7340 East Main, uh,
planning commission and Commissioner
Scarbor. I'm happy to stipulate to it
that, uh, we would ch, first of all, we
keep the building, so our intention is
to hold it long term, and the last thing
I would want is have to refinish that
wood every year. So, I I'm happy to
stipulate if you would want that an
appropriate uh
material that would be approved by staff
that would uh give us the the look we
want as well as ensure that it won't
deteriorate if uh if for whatever reason
we didn't own the building, but we do
intend own. I'm happy to stipulate to
that if you want to. You it doesn't have
to be on the honor system.
>> Thank you, Mr. Franco.
Can we make a can we make a stipulation
for an item that's on consent
commission or I'm sorry, Councilman
Graham? Yes, certainly you can.
>> Okay. I don't have strong feeling either
way. I could go with the stipulation.
I'm confident. I'm I'm comfortable
without it. So, I'll just I'll leave it
up to Commissioner Scarbor whether or
not he wants to stipify it, stipulate
it.
Uh, I'm comfortable that if the
applicant and the owner are willing to
work with staff to to find that on the
honor system, um, I'm fine without
having it stipulated. I just want to
make sure that we discuss it and it's we
just don't want to turn it into a
monochromatic building.
>> I think it's a very good point and I I
appreciate Commissioner Scarbor for
bringing it up. So, um, any other
questions from
DRB members? I see none. So, um, if
anybody would like to make a motion to
approve this consent agenda item,
I'll go ahead and make a motion uh to
approve case 39D 2024 per the staff
recommended stipulations after finding
that the development application meet
the applicable development review board
criteria
and the additional findings for the
development in the Oldtown I hear you.
>> Very good. A motion has been made. Do we
have a second?
>> I'll second that.
>> Second has been made by uh Vice Chair
Brandt.
>> Miss Clark, please call roll.
>> Councilman Graham,
>> yes.
>> Vice Chair Brand,
>> yes.
>> Commissioner Scar Bro,
>> yes.
>> Board member Peaser,
>> yes.
>> Board member FE,
>> yes.
>> Board member Mason,
>> yes.
>> Board member Robinson,
>> yes.
>> Motion passes. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Frankle.
Thank you, Mr. Loop.
Um, now I will move on to the regular
agenda.
I will invite the applicant, Miss
Jennifer Hall, or applicant contact,
Jennifer Hall. Or actually, no, do we
start with we'll start with a staff
presentation. Right,
>> Councilman Graham, it's at the pleasure
of the board if they would like a staff
presentation or just to hear directly
from the applicant. I think what I think
what we'll do Oh, since do you want to
you want a staff presentation?
>> Uh, I'm okay without the staff
presentation, but uh if I could just ask
a series questions about the applicant.
>> Okay, let me just let I'll tell you if I
if I can because I have a written
comment on this from the public. Maybe
we can hear from the the staff, I'm
sorry, from the applicant and then we
can invite the public comment up right
after that and then Mr. Scarbor, any
other members with questions. So, I will
invite the applicant up at this time. It
appears we're going to defer the city
staff presentation at this moment.
>> Obviously, I said Mrs. Hall. You're not
Mrs. Hall. So,
>> I am not. I was going to clarify that,
too.
>> Okay.
>> Uh, Councilman Graham, members of the
commission, thank you so much today. I'm
Thomas Galvin with Rose Law Group on
behalf of the applicant. here today with
my colleague Jennifer Hall, but also
here with two technical experts, Jake
Tate and Jason Thompson from AWA who are
civil engineers. And um I do believe
that there's some questions that will be
addressed from your board here today
that they will be able to satisfy and
answer. Also, I do um actually think it
would be beneficial if staff can pull up
uh the elevations of the project itself
and the application because we did not
have a presentation. Um, but there are
several issues that have been brought to
our attention just within the past few
hours and we're more than happy to
listen, to engage, and to answer any
questions. So, I'm just going to leave
it at there at that point, but we're
coming up here in a spirit of
cooperation. I am going to ask Jake and
Jason to stand here with me um right now
just to answer any questions that might
come our way.
>> Well, before the questions, I am going
to invite public comment. Okay. Yeah. If
you don't mind, the the subject matter
experts.
>> Okay.
>> Um, did you want to say um Mr. Galvin,
did you want to say just a little bit?
We talked a little bit briefly about the
the paint color and maybe some of the
egress ingress just if if if you want if
you're comfortable, but you do not have
to.
>> Yeah, and I I was going to get into it
later, but I can address all of the
issues. Now, there was a question we
heard earlier about salvage trees, more
than happy to work with your board about
that. Um, easement issues, happy to
answer any concerns or questions about
that. But we do have a plan for access
for ingress and egress. And also, this
is a credit union. This is not, let's
say, a drive-thru where there's
considerably more traffic. Uh, so all of
these things have been considered. And
then when it comes to color, the
applicant does have a particular shade
of blue for their corporate logo that
they are using for locations outside of
Scottsdale, but having worked with
staff, the desire was for more desert
tones, and we are okay with that and to
deviate from our corporate logo color.
>> Okay. Well, thank you, Mr. Galvin.
>> Thank you, Councilman.
>> Okay. So, I will public comment. I will
invite Mr. Gonzalez, did you wanna Did
you want to speak? Okay, these are
written comments. Um, sorry, Mr. Galbin,
I'm gonna invite you back up there. I'm
just going to read this real quick from
uh public comment. Can we see a
presentation regarding the traffic
route? So,
Mr. Gonzalez, you don't you don't care
to say anything? Okay. And uh just uh if
I if I can kindly ask the uh subject
matter experts to introduce themselves
for the public record and then we're
pleased to hear from you and then I know
I have some questions from my
colleagues.
>> Uh my name is Jake Tate with AWA 2010
North Redwood Road in Salt Lake City,
Utah. Um if you wouldn't mind pulling
the site plan up, I can talk a little
bit about the access. Um so this is a
good sorry there's a lot of easements on
here. We're trying to show all the
encumbrances on the property, but Hayden
Road is on the top of the of your screen
there. And on the left side of the
America First, there's an entrance there
at the the new traffic signal where we
have an entrance to the site and it
leads directly into the property. Um, at
the middle of the the site, you'll see
there's a drive-thru where they have
what they're called ITVs now, and those
are interactive video tellers. They're
not ATMs anymore. Uh, you could pretty
much almost get a loan from one of these
things nowadays. They're pretty uh
technologically advanced. But um you can
pull in from the left moving to the
right which is towards the east. And
then we are putting a connection through
to across the kind of hatched area.
That's going to be the other parcel that
America First owns. They will subdivide
it and sell it in the future. We have no
one under contract. We don't know what
it'll be, but we will be putting that
road that's right across the middle
there um in so that cars can exit to the
east and then up to Hayden um as an a
secondary means of egress as well. So,
they could either flip a U-turn at the
drive-thru and come out and go up to the
light or they could continue to the east
and go up the shared access road that's
going to be completed by the neighbor.
And then we're putting in the piece that
crosses that secondary parcel. So, um
that will be installed with our project
and will be complete and ready to go
when the credit union is as well.
>> Well, very good, Mr. Kate. Uh thank you
for the presentation. Uh any other
anything else you want to add or
>> um yeah there was a question about
traffic and the concerns about the
numbers generated. Um I don't know if we
can I have a picture here. This is just
share a thousand words. I apologize we
it's on my phone. Um is this Can I just
put it under here?
>> Okay. So this is we did do a traffic
study.
>> Pull the mic over to you.
>> We did a traffic study for the site. So,
it did include um information regarding
what a uh what the requirements for a a
credit union are. Um and this column
here talks about the day daily total
number of trips that are generated by a
specific use. And I apologize if it's
not close enough, but um down here at
the bottom,
>> can you just make it a little flatter?
It not not not zoom. There you go. But
like I was just kind of straighten it
out. No, not not not tilt it, but
>> it's it's kind of diagonal. There you
go. the dreaded angle. I'm an engineer.
I like straight lines, too.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
>> Um, so down here on the bottom, you'll
see that there's a credit union, and
that is our size, our 2,966
foot credit union, and the anticipated
uh generated trips is 298 per day.
You'll notice right above it, a strip
mall is,300 trips a day. A general
office building is 356 per day,
depending on size and square footage,
but that's a 25,000 square foot. And
then a a standard 6,000 foot restaurant
generates almost 700 trips a day. So,
um, of those three uses that were
anticipated on the property and included
in a traffic study, the credit union is
the lowest generator of traffic for the
area. So, um, happy to get into any
further details on that, but the the
actual traffic load generated by the
credit union should be fairly mild. I
>> I think the public comment was more to
do that's good information and it's
pleasing to see that. I think the
question was more about the route, the
direction, which I did think I don't I
do think you would you spend time
addressing. So,
>> thank you.
>> Um, at this time, if you don't mind just
staying up there and taking receiving a
few questions from my colleagues. I'll
start with Commissioner Scarboro.
>> Thank you. Uh, number one is I uh
appreciate seeing the the number of
salvaged trees that you're looking to
transplant on the site. That's
fantastic. What I didn't see those
clarific clarification on the trees that
don't make it. And we know when we
salvage trees, we don't get 100% uh
replanted and and successful. I just
want to make sure that we add a
stipulation that we have mature trees
that are replacing those that are
transplanted. The reason I asked that is
because the rest of the the the
landscape pallet is very young. And I
think this is something I would like to
have stipulated something to the effect
of 48 inch box like kind for any salvage
trees that don't make it.
>> And we're happy to agree to that. I
think America First uh carries a
top-notch site and they would they don't
like dead trees on their site either.
So, they'd be happy to to agree to that.
>> Perfect. And then the other thing is uh
just clarification u the adjacent parcel
here that's undeveloped uh there is an
access easement that traverses that site
that is somewhat in alignment with your
uh lower drive here. Mhm.
>> If that adjacent own developer in the
future comes in and they need that road
to be adjusted further south in this
orientation,
>> uh you you would be willing your client
would be willing to work with them to uh
ensure that they're able to fit their
development in that site by adjusting
that easement as needed. Yeah, I mean
obviously their plan would have to be to
accommodate any changes to the physical
nature of the driveway, but uh providing
access is essential for America First.
They want two accesses and they want to
maintain two accesses. So, they'd be
willing to work with the neighbor to
make it happen. I I appreciate that. I
think the location of where that drive
is shown uh I don't want to say stifles,
but I think limits the ability for uh
development to hit that that overall
parcel. And I think by allowing that
drive to shift and of course making the
appropriate accommodations,
more options are available for that that
infill to be complete.
>> So I appreciate that.
>> And the way that it lays out anywhere
along where you're exiting the the ITV
area, the drive-through area, that that
could shift north all along there and it
could function totally
>> Yeah.
>> acceptably to America First.
>> Perfect. And then uh the last small
comment, again, this is all design, but
the screen wall that you have that uh
blocks the parking lot to Hayden Road,
I'd like to see that screen wall broken
up uh with a little bit of an overlap on
the wall ends. Uh whether you want to
tryate that wall
>> with overlapping ends. Commissioner, can
I just can we get renderings for people
to kind of see some visuals of these
because these are really good topics,
but I if we have something people to
sort of, you know, latch on to. Sorry to
interrupt, Commissioner.
>> It's okay. U
just didn't want that single plain
screen wall there. It just be nice if
it's broken up, whether it's in in
staggered two or three wall segments,
>> just something that breaks up that
plane.
>> Yeah, we definitely can. I'm uh the only
thing that might limit how we do that is
there is a setback there, but I think
that we could definitely stagger that
within outside of the setback.
>> Understood.
>> Yeah.
>> And then uh overall the elevations I I
like the way they look. The
architecture, it's great. Uh what I have
a problem with is again this
monochromatic
coloring on the elevations. And I
understand your position that that staff
has has directed, you know, certain
callers that fall within the appropriate
pallet, but it feels like we're sort of
ending up with more and more development
that's coming in this monochromatic
theme. And so I'm just wondering, and
maybe this isn't a question for you,
maybe it's more for staff, but how do
how do we deviate from from this and get
a little bit of color in here, be
consistent with our design color
palette, but introduce more than just
the sort of black and white sort of
variations of color. And I know that
that uh this bank uses a blue and I'm
just wondering if there's a muted or
darkened blue or something that would
fall within the pallet that might give
these elevations
a little more color. And and that's my
only comment. U I I would like to add
that that 48 inch box dip, but uh I
would open up the comment on that caller
to the rest of the board as well.
>> Councilman Graham, I just want to make
one point to that. um we're amanable to
all of those suggestions and all of
those desired stipulations from
Commissioner Scar Bro. So, if a majority
of the board agrees, we're okay with
that. However, I do want to point out on
the issue regarding the color, um the
client does have a particular set of
blue that is it's part of its corporate
logo. They did make in essence what I
would consider to be a concession here
regarding what staff had communicated in
terms of earth tones. So, I do want to
caution you and say we do have concerns
about going to different variations of
blue because then now we're variating
from our actual logo itself, but we're
happy to work within the parameters of
how staff defined what they thought was
best for Scottsdale Cell outside of any
other shade of blue than our corporate
logo. So, appreciate your consideration
for that one item.
>> Thank you for that clarification.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> I don't mind chiming in on that because
I do have an opinion after studying the
material palette.
>> Vice Chair,
>> thank you. I' I'd probably be much more
concerned about the monochromatic nature
if it didn't have like three distinct
materials to it. So, it does have a CMU,
like a rough splitface CMU base, a full
brick masonry body of the building, and
then then a higher quality metal panel.
So, we do have three it it's
monochromatic, but it's three very
distinct textures,
>> right,
>> and material depth. So, I and there's a
pretty significant amount of glass that
I think is and is properly shaded in
place. So, I I don't I I would be I
would be more more worried about this if
if you had a CMU base and everything
else was an EFS type of material and
you've got kind of three three gray
tones of EFTs. But I'm personally in in
looking and reviewing the project, I was
I thought the materiality the building
had had the right amount of depth of
material change to combat maybe a more
of a singular neutral tone family. So
anyway, I I think it does a pretty good
job from that perspective. And also just
to also answer your question because I'm
deal with leasing and u material colors
constantly all day long. Um I I think
I've had three projects in the last 60
days that have had color on them that
are being requested to go to to lose
some of the color. And so there is a
definite push. I'm not sure how staff
wants to address this or us as a board
wants to operate, but there is a heavy
push within the um retail and commercial
leasing world into neutral a neutral
tone and it is it is significant. So
>> um you know having anyway I just as a as
more of a note of commentary it's just
something professionally that I feel
like is is you're seeing a lot about
there. I'm not sure how maybe we can
have a a sub conversation about how we
as a city want to address that, but
>> staff seems pretty disincclined to
address it,
>> but with with with regard to this case
staying on point, um I do think that
this building accomplishes what it needs
to for city standards.
>> Thank you, Vice Chair. I'm going to call
on board member Faky.
>> Thanks, Councilman. So, a couple of
things I I concur with uh board member
Brand. I I like the architecture. I
think it fit well. Um I I would like to
go back to the site plan. I'm just
curious. I have a question about the
stacking for those ITM you have. I'm
assuming this is a new AI video teller
staff whatever they're doing there. So,
I'm curious was staffs who pushed on you
that much stacking or do you guys
imagine you're going to have that much
people waiting on this video? I mean,
I'm just because we deal with this all
the time. I'm just curious. How did you
come up with almost 20 carts stacking
there? So,
>> yeah, actually I can't remember what the
city's requirement is, but a lot of it's
driven by the site. Um, you know, we're
kind of we have a constrained area and
then we used what we have and it
actually gets, you know, six to six to
12 is usually what we try to get on a
stacking, but since just the way the
site laid out, we got a few extra. So,
there was nothing that necessarily
unless we the city's I don't have it off
the top of my head.
>> Yeah, there is the reason I mentioned
it. I mean we we do some similar stuff
for living and uh we push on those
application that maximum will have four
car at any time even if you have double.
So you guys raising the bar to show 20
is going to make future application
tougher. So I'm curious because a lot of
staff ordinance right now don't have
exact requirement for stacking on an ITM
I guess. So I don't know does the city
of Scousel has a requirement for ITM
stacking.
Councilman Graham, board member Faki,
I'm not aware of a specific requirement
for stacking on an ATM, ITM, I guess
they're calling it now. We do have
specific requirements for restaurant
drive through
>> and this I mentioned this because we
dealt with it in several location where
we go back and fight staff and say we
maximum have two, maximum have four and
see application like this. We're coming.
We have 18 or I hope you do have that
much, but I I mean I don't see anyone
waiting online for half hour talks on
AI, but I may be wrong. But it's kind of
like I think I will be fine with a lot
less stacking. It doesn't matter at this
situation, but I want to make a point
that since we're seeing a lot of this, I
don't know if staff could do some
analysis
um based on traffic on how much
required. Um again, in every site we've
done, we push for like two to four max
because this is what the end user says.
But I was curious when I saw that much
cars here. So I'm in support of the
application obviously, but uh just I
want to point this out.
>> You know, as Mr. uh board member Faki
brings this up, I'm my eyes are opening
up to the stacking
and when you look at that, you just sort
of see a pinched driveway and you don't
see you see five, six cars. You're never
going to see f I mean in two rows. I
mean you're never going to see that.
like one, two, three, four, five. You're
never going to see six cars, 12 cars in
a whole driveway ATM. I mean, is it
possible to sort of move it over and
get, you know, widen that give give that
driveway some breathing room and and
maybe accept the reality that you're
going to get one or two cars maybe max
max in a is that Mr. Board member
>> I'm your microphone.
>> I'm fine with the layout as they have
it. I don't want them to redo design but
it creates flexibility if if their I
mean they know their uh model more than
anyone right maybe your model you will
have 14 cars stacking staff is fine with
it it's fine your model doesn't show it
and you can get less stacking give you
flexibility on site plan maybe something
to consider so you don't have to meet a
restaurant drive-thru stack
>> for this idea
>> yeah the the the trend we're seeing in
in financial institutions now is less
and less people are going into the
building and more and more are coming
through the drive-thru or online
banking. So, by providing more stacking,
it allows them to kind of put the effort
where they're seeing more people going
right now. And that's why the buildings
have slowly gotten smaller. We used to
do six 7,000 square foot credit unions,
and now we're down to like 3,000 because
people just aren't going in as much,
just more, but they are in their cars.
They want to stop by on the way home
from work. And so, that's why we we tend
to give a little more when we can get
it. in this site. It just so happened
that we had the room to do it, so we
increased it a little bit.
>> I understand why you're doing it from
the standpoint you want to encourage it.
Um, people are using it more. I just
don't see I don't feel like I'm going to
see six, seven cars in two lanes ever
going to happen. So, and plus I know
with a lot of these banks, the ATMs, if
they start, you know, backing up, people
start looking for, well, can I do the
walk-in? Are are is there going to be a
walk-in ITM, a walk up ITM? Um, I
believe they have one up on it's inside
the building. You can come in. It's not
just on the outside of the building, but
there is one that's inside.
>> That kind of lends itself to maybe
>> sort of the possibility. I just think if
you could give that driveway that in
ingress egress a little more breathing
room and kind of just a little I get
there's an offsetting counterwe to that
that you don't want it to you know
reduce the stacking so much or the space
for stacking so much that you know
you're blocking the parking and then
that you got problems there. and we just
go to Chick-fil-A, right? Or one of
these places. Yeah.
>> So, um
>> maybe I I don't know what we can do
there either as far as anything
stipulation. But
>> before I keep going, I want to invite my
any other board members to um invite
them to make comments or pose questions.
Board member Mason,
looking at your uh site plan there, what
concerns me a little bit is is that you
show us a whole bunch of people stacked
up. Does this have the escape route?
Somebody gets in there and they see four
or five people stacked up and say, "I
don't want to stay here." They drive
out. Are they trapped? Wait. How is
there an escape route on there?
>> There is. We have an extra lane there at
the bottom where they don't show cars.
That's a open lane that has no ITM there
at all so that you can bypass and get
out without having to wait.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Any other questions from my colleagues?
>> No. Oh, Mr. Paser.
board member Per when I was reviewing
this and I saw the four ATMs lined up
like that and I think three of them were
videoed to the
to the credit union itself and one of
them was just a straight ATM. The one
thing that occurred to me was if the two
cars in front are doing their monthly
banking like I've been behind so many
times at the ATM and you're the car in
the second the ATM behind and you
finished your banking. When you look at
this, you and probably the next couple
of cars if there ever was that many,
you're kind of in a position where you
can't go anywhere and you can't do
anything. you just got to sit there and
wait for the guy in front to finish.
>> Or the guy in the back takes a long time
and the guy in the front pulls away and
you've got an open ATM and a couple of
cars behind. And that was I I just found
it to be a strange setup. I had never
seen uh the double ATMs like that. But
then again, I'd never seen a double
drivein at McDonald's and it seems to
work really well.
>> So, but has that was that something that
you guys thought about when you put this
down? What happens if somebody gets up
there and heaven forbid maybe in the in
this cool weather we're having their car
breaks down, overheats and breaks down.
>> Well, the good thing is is they do have
small canopies that can shade you
slightly, but um I think the reason for
the extra set is exactly for the reasons
you're stating because if there's only
one ATM, then you're waiting at least we
can get two people through. You may have
to wait for a minute and then they'll
clear out and then you can get two more
in. So, it's kind of a
>> but if you're the third car in line and
you've got cars behind you, you're
you're all you're you're just stuck
there until because there
if there had been a way to pull around
the car and leave.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, like you see in so many
places, usually the drive-in ATM is in
the farthest out spot and there's a
driveway next to it. So, if you car in
front of you is taking a long time, you
can just pull out and leave. Yeah. But
in this case, uh, that inside ATM, those
two inside ATMs, if you're in those cars
and somebody's taking a long time,
you're there until everybody decides to
back up and leave.
>> Yeah. And if I may point out, I believe
that if people have something that would
take them quite a long time, they're
either going to go inside the building
or that you're going to use the one
inside the lobby. I know like when I'm
getting gasoline at Costco and I'm
waiting for that car right in the front
one and I want to go around everyone
else to get to it. You're just kind of
staring at him like, "Hey, can you hurry
it up?" I feel that same way when I'm in
that spot. So, I think this is just for
people who are using it for ease,
convenience, as you heard earlier from
our expert. It's when people are on
their way home. Um, if you're doing
considerably longer transaction, you're
probably going to be doing it during the
middle of the day when there's less
traffic andor going inside is my guess.
>> You'd like to think that's how people
think.
>> Yeah. Anyway, that was that was the one
thing that crossed my mind when I opened
this up and looked at it. I thought, hm,
I wonder how that's going to work. But
thank you.
>> Thank you.
I don't think we have any more question
at this time. I think um we kind of
talked about it. We beat it up. Um and I
think I'll invite one of my colleagues
to make a motion. I think we have the
stips thing for the for the the trees
and and the applicant seems pretty, you
know, amanable to that. So
>> trees and the wall
>> and the wall. Yeah. So I'll invite uh
Commissioner Scarboro if he'd like to
make a motion.
>> Uh thank you. Uh before I do though, uh
I understand the the issue where you may
have a setback requirement that might
restrict your ability to do that. So I'd
like you just to work with staff unless
you feel like I need to put a I'll just
put a statement there that you work with
staff on the retaining the screen wall.
uh move to approve 3D 2025 per the staff
recommended stipulations
after finding that the development
application meet the applicable
development review board criteria with
the added stipulation that 48in box like
kind trees are replaced for the salvage
trees that don't make it as well as uh
for the applicant to work with staff in
regards to uh breaking up or staggering
the screen wall.
I have a motion and may and I have a
second. Motion from Commissioner
Scarboro, a second from board member
Peaser. And I will now kindly ask Miss
Clark to call the role.
>> Councilman Graham,
>> yes.
>> Vice Chair Brand,
>> yes.
>> Commissioner Scar Bro,
>> yes.
>> Board member Peaser,
>> yes.
>> Board member FE,
>> yes.
>> Board member Mason,
>> yes.
>> Board member Robinson,
>> yes.
>> Motion passes. Thank you.
>> They are unanimous. Thank you. Good luck
with the project. Uh and that will do it
for us today. Development review board
August 7th, 2025. Thank you for those in
attendance, for those streaming online
and uh remotely. And with that, I will
make a motion for a or I will call for a
motion for adjournment.
>> So moved.
>> So I have a motion.
>> Second.
>> Second. All those in favor, please say
I. I. I.
>> We are ajourned. Thank you very much.