Gilbert · 2022-12-01 · council
Town Council Fall Retreat Day 1 12/1/2022
Summary
Summary of Decisions, Votes, and Notable Discussions
- Introduction of New Members: Newly elected council members were welcomed, and preparations for their official seating on January 10th were discussed.
- Priorities and Initiatives: A review of major priorities and initiatives for the upcoming year was planned, with an emphasis on infrastructure needs and the importance of community relationships.
- Water Resource Management: Concerns over Colorado River drought conditions were highlighted, with discussions on water supply reduction management plans and community education efforts.
- Public Works Advisory Board Proposal: A proposal was made to explore the creation of a Public Works Advisory Board to assist in evaluating infrastructure needs and community engagement.
- North Water Treatment Plant Project Update: An update was provided on the reconstruction of the North Water Treatment Plant, including budget concerns, project timelines, and value engineering efforts.
- Mixed Use Ordinance Discussion: The introduction of a mixed-use ordinance aimed at facilitating integrated developments was discussed, with plans to bring this to the council for further consideration.
Overview
The civic meeting focused on welcoming new council members and outlining the primary initiatives for the upcoming year, emphasizing infrastructure and community engagement. Key issues discussed included the ongoing challenges posed by Colorado River drought conditions, the management of water resources, and a proposal for establishing a Public Works Advisory Board. An update on the North Water Treatment Plant reconstruction project highlighted budget and timeline considerations, while a new mixed-use ordinance aimed at integrating residential and commercial developments was also introduced.
Follow-Up Actions or Deadlines
- Email Follow-Up: Council members will receive an email summarizing major priorities and initiatives.
- Public Works Advisory Board: Staff will explore the creation of this board and bring recommendations to the Spring Retreat for further discussion.
- North Water Treatment Plant: Continued updates will be provided as the project progresses, with a focus on adhering to timelines and budget constraints.
- Mixed Use Ordinance: Scheduled for discussion at the council study session on January 21st, with potential approval in February or early March.
Transcript
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who are joining us today we look forward to working with you when you officially take your seats on January 10th um also around the room today for those of you for our councilmember elex we also have members of our executive team here as well as specific members of staff that are going to be giving you presentations in various areas of topics and interests so a lot of hard work goes into this and I want to send a big thank you to them for the work they've done preparing for today I also want to thank Elena and the entire team of people that help with all the logistics and setting these Retreats up and the planning and the work that goes on behind it it is a lot of work so we always appreciate them and all the hard great job they do so with the retreat I'm going to keep my comments shorter we'll run a little bit behind I will follow up with an email and send you some of the major priorities and initiatives that we have going on this year as well as what we see coming for fiscal year 24. I'll touch on a few things and we certainly have a lot to cover over the next two days and it's it's a very information intense presentation many of these a lot of the issues are very nuanced and complex um you have printed copies of the presentations in front of you that of our residents in Gilbert Arizona I also want to say um as we go through these next two days I've always believed that success comes from having great relationships and strong relationships so especially for our new council member elects and the staff that are here and each of us let's spend the next two days as we dive into these issues on building our relationships with one another getting to know one another I truly do believe it's key to success in life personally and professionally and we are all here to serve the residents of Gilbert we're all on the same team we we serve in different capacities and different roles but we're all here in service to the residents of Gilbert Arizona and and hopefully prepare for their future to make their lives better to make sure that they can enjoy the best possible quality of life um that they can actor that's going to be important to our success is that everybody participates in the conversations we need to hear from each of you each of you also bring very unique backgrounds and experience and and understandings of issues as well as the people that you talk to in the community the ones that elected you and the ones that reach out to you with questions or concerns it's really really important that everybody lets the voice be heard in these issues so we as staff can understand where your concerns are or where questions May lie and so that we can be more responsive to you and get getting you the information you need to build understanding on some very very complex projects and initiatives another thing I want to encourage there's no bad questions questions serve the purpose of gathering information and building understanding and knowledge on things and some of you have heard me say it before we have over 220 lines of service that we deliver in this organization by big and small by Major lines it's about 80 lines of service and they are as diverse and Broad across the Spectrum as you can possibly imagine we are not a private company building six products and we're all kind of focused on the success of those products we treat Wastewater we fight fires we respond to Medical emergencies we provide parks and recreational programming we maintain I.T systems and the security of those systems and there's very little overlap in in many of those functions and so please do ask questions and we also as those of you have been on Council for a while and those of you who have just joined us will find out we have literally thousands of statutes and codes and policies we have to follow it is a lot and so please please please ask questions and we are more than happy to answer from the smallest to the biggest question there's no bad question so please do participate and if you don't understand it please do ask us questions until you do let's remember to be respectful to one another these are challenging issues and topics for our community we're not immune to a lot of the things that are happening in the nation right now and across the world we've got some tough decisions to make and so let's remember to ask questions but also show respect to one another so that we can make the the best decision we can and to maintain and build very strong solid relationships and then last we try to keep these Retreats very relaxed and conversational so let's let's um let's embody that over the next two days and let's not forget to have some fun too um because there is a lot of hard work to do and I know for me I laugh every once in a while helps keeps things in perspective keeps me humble and helps keep me focused quite honestly on the very serious work we have to do so in general you've heard this before but we are a community of roughly 280 000 people now and growing um and realistically we're in the last decade build out Mary mentioned on the tour of the Town Hall where 102 years old as an incorporated municipality in the state of Arizona and we're in the final 10 years of building this community out because we are landlocked along all of our borders so there's no more expansion for Gilbert to occur there's some small pockets of County Islands but we're landlocked and we are in the last decade and there's some things that are going to find this decade as some of you are already aware and will continue to understand better I call it we're in the age of infrastructure we have a lot of needs across our water systems our Wastewater systems our transportation systems our Park systems our Municipal facilities we have a lot of infrastructure needs and it's going to be pretty solid over the next decade as we complete build out of this community we've also many of you have heard of our new council member elects I look forward to talking to you in more depth about our city the future initiative you know in its most simplistic form that is nothing more than making sure the decisions we make today provide the greatest opportunity for for the next generation of Gilbert residents and our children and our friends to enjoy the same quality of life we enjoy in this community American cities have not done a great job in when they reach past build out in maintaining the quality of life that they've enjoyed during build out and so that is where a lot of our focus is on infrastructure on Public Safety on the quality of our neighborhoods and I look forward to talking with each of you in more depth about that there's some significant issues we're going to cover many of them today but we all are aware of the Colorado River drought conditions and we're currently in a tier two we fully anticipate to be in a tier three Lauren Hixson is here with us this morning she'll be the first person up to talk but there's a lot of decisions we'll need to make to help guide this community through that we have a robust diverse water supply but there will be things that this community will need to decide on how we want to approach this and how we want to manage our way through this because with tier three come water Cuts we don't know to the extent yet or how substantial they will be but I think that we would be faulty in our thinking to think that tier three will not be announced next August and there will be cuts of some magnitude we're also dealing with a lot of construction inflation and general inflation Phoenix is as you may have heard or read about as one of the highest rates of inflation in the nation in August I haven't seen the latest figure in August it was around 13 which was higher than any other region in the country and so that is also creating issues for us with projects with Staffing with cost of services cost of operations we're doing everything we can to mitigate that to the extent it's possible we've come up with a lot of creative ideas and there's also a lot of tough decisions to make to continue to manage our way through that we continue to have a very tight labor market and Staffing challenges they were rather pronounced at various points over the last year we had 40 vacancy in police dispatch at one point which really starts to put a strain on those people that are there and our ability which is a very critical component to Public Safety and Police Service uh those dispatchers are the one they are the lifeline from our residents who make that call to our officers who respond to any number of situations but I.T um private secretary companies information technology and technology in general continues to change our lives in ways that are truly staggering at the speed at which that's occurring and those individuals are in high demand I think at one point Mary if I could phone a friend we were down 12 bodies in I.T at one point well currently how many vacancies do we currently have two two so um a lot of that has been with your support some things you did with us last year last spring to help with um wage issues based on inflation but we continue to struggle with Staffing challenges and you're going to hear from a couple of our senior staff members about our Recruitment and Retention conversations we've been having in the organization trying to find ways to recruit the best people we can and hang on to the great people that we have but tight labor market and staffing issues continue to be a challenge for us and then within this region housing availability and housing affordability is an issue and we're hearing from a lot of our employers they can't find a Workforce and the workforce one of the challenges outside of just a very tight labor market is where those workers are living and and how far they are having to commute to get to places employment so and again that's not unique uh to us it's not even unique to this region or state it's happening around the nation but because of the growth in this region it's particularly pronounced again in the Phoenix area and there's just there's the the pros and cons to everything all of these great announcements with these major corporations that are are locating in Phoenix and bringing those great jobs to Phoenix also brings a great demand for the workforce to fill those positions and that Workforce needs a place to live and they need Transportation Systems to get them to and from where they're living to the place of employment but as a reminder our staff these are good problems we could have much more challenging things to deal with and I'm not minimizing the challenges we have at all but there are significantly more challenging things in other parts of the country even other parts of this region um that these communities are trying to figure out that that we don't have to we don't have the pronounced problem in so the problems but the good problems all in all and I know by working together we'll figure them out so with that I will ask Lauren Hixson to come up and we will start in on the presentations for today thank you good morning everybody as Patrick said I'm Lauren Hixson and I'm the water resources manager and with me today is Rebecca Hamill I'll let her introduce herself real quick good morning my name is Rebecca himmel I'm the water manager for Gilbert wonderful okay so I'm here today to talk about the wonderful Colorado River and the updates on what's going on there and the impacts that we foresee for Gilbert so today's presentation I'm going to give just an overview of Gilbert's water supply um object portfolio then I'll talk about updates on the Colorado River specifically what we know to date on impacts and what we're doing to mitigate those strategies and then Rebecca is going to share specifically on some infrastructure projects that we're pursuing in order to fully more fully insulate us from potential impacts so what I have here shown on the screen is both Gilbert's long range water portfolio so all of our supplies fully available to us but then on the right I want to highlight that we have the breakdown of how we met demand in 2021 so they're slightly different um because obviously we have a full portfolio but how we use that it differs from the full portfolio so in 2021 we met 34 of our supply from SRP directly at our North Water Treatment Plant 38 cap water combination of both the Santan plant and our North Water Treatment Plant and then 28 was pumped from Wells so our overall portfolio of cap water which is delivered from the Colorado River is made up of many contracts and agreements and priority levels so right here shows the breakdown of the percentage and this is also provided in your packet there's some supplementary information for you guys as far as our water supply portfolio and the most important thing when looking at this graphic on the right it's provided by cap is the priority of those different priority pools different names for all the different types just based on different agreements in the past but low priorities at the top higher priority at the bottom so Cuts will come from top to bottom so thankfully we're most of our supplies are higher priority how we use these supplies as I mentioned 38 percent was delivered either to the Santan plant or the North Water Treatment Plant in 2021 and the majority of that 80 percent is delivered to the Santan plant however we do have the flexibility to deliver some of that to our North Water Treatment Plant which we did in 2021 about um 15 of our supply and then we have five percent that was sent to recharge which gives us some flexibility with shortages when it comes to being able to meet demands directly so then that takes me into the Colorado River and its current status the two main reservoirs on that system are like Powell and Lake Mead those are the ones you're seeing in the news all the time right now um with the elevations dropping and the operations of these two reservoirs is very important um but there's two main guidelines that have been established in 2007 those operational guidelines went into effect to help mitigate shortage impacts in 2019 the drought contingency plan was adopted further to protect the elevations for forthcoming shortages that were foreseen at the time something to just really highlight when it comes to the Colorado River and its priority system within that water system is that amongst all the lower Basin states which is California Arizona and Nevada Arizona has some lower priority status and that specifically is only to our Cap supplies but that is really important to highlight when it comes to the negotiations between the states is that unfortunately the cap is Junior status so you may be familiar with reclamation's 24-month studies that they put out every month and currently the November 24 month study is forecasting for 2023 what's already been declared the tier 2A shortage that was declared in August and will take effect in January and then in 2024 the projections which I don't know if this if it does work okay great so this is for 2023 we're looking at a tier 2A and then 2024 the projections show a tier 3 is most probable and the Min probable you'll see this line up here which is the max probable however I really highlight these lower ones because that's really where we've been operating the last couple years and so although the projections have a large range of possibilities it's really based on some hopeful conditions happening one of which is that these projections are based on a seven million acre feet release from Powell that's an important volume because it helps stabilize like Mead and I'll go into some more detail about that but then it's also based on what I call hopeful hydrology it's definitely it's statistically correct it's um you know there's but there's some assumptions there that are a little too um Rosy um in my opinion and so when we're looking to the future we kind of have to look at those lower projections and I'll go into some more detail here as to why and it really does tie to Lake Powell and also the incoming flows that we've been seeing over the last couple years so Lake Powell um on the graphic here there's a very important elevation 3525 the current elevation I checked I think a couple weeks ago when I was putting this together is at 35.28 so we're just a little bit above that 35 25 foot elevation and that's a buffer elevation that helps provide sufficient power production within the reservoir but also I want to highlight a couple different pipelines within the dam and how the dam operates hydraulically itself at 34.90 we reach a minimum power pool that also that means that the flow can no longer go through the pipelines that create power go through the turbines within the dam but it also means we've gone below these pipelines that are larger that can pass more flow down to Lake Mead so below that elevation I've heard it said those pipelines are like fire hoses and the lower elevation ones these bypass tubes are like garden hoses so the dam cannot pass as much water at the lower elevations which then affects Lake Mead and then also just to highlight if you get to Deadpool no power no water from the dam which like Powell is Upstream of the Grand Canyon um so these are just critical items to Arizona and to the country and to the world so I mentioned the operations of like Powell but then also how does this impact Lake Mead um if Lake Powell cannot deliver um seven million acre feet then it will continue to drop this graphic here is actually just based on seven million acre feet coming from Powell but also it's based on specific runoff conditions that are more realistic to what we've been seeing so one of the major stressors that's occurring on the Watershed is that we're seeing pretty average snowpack in the system but we're seeing way below average runoff and that's because the The Watershed is drier the Springs are hotter so the water is not getting into the Watershed not coming down through the streams into the reservoirs so therefore we're on this downwards Trends towards Deadpool which is why I call the other projections hopeful um we definitely hope for those conditions and we hope they come to reality but we need to plan for these conditions that we're actually seeing I want to point out that if the releases from Powell are lower um then we're going to see that trend line in Lake Mead um continue to climb faster just some more Graphics these are the current volumes within like Powell and Lake Mead I mentioned on a previous slide it showed that seven and a half million acre feet is what's allocated to the lower basin um and then upper Basin is seven and a half million acre feet as well so that's 15 million acre feet but we don't even have that in in storage in the system today so Lake Powell is at about 5.4 is what's projected at the end of this year and 7.3 in Lake Mead so on that hopeful and really exciting note um just in summary the tier 2A shortage and the current can um you know all the actions to date 2007 guidelines 29 team drought contingency plan there's been some other actions 500 plus plan Etc and those just have not been enough to protect the system and so you may be aware in June Reclamation announced that an additional two to four million acre feet needs to be preserved in the reservoirs starting in 2023 and that was asked above and beyond DCP DCP is 1.4 million acre feet so you can see the system really needs additional conservation in order to buffer us from future declines in these reservoirs and to date we have not um that volume request has not come to fruition they said in August that Reclamation said in August that if by then the states haven't come up with a plan to save that much water in the reservoirs that they would take unilateral unilateral action they have not done that yet they've been essentially just trying to incentivize conservation you may have seen that the influx inflation reduction Act is being used to help fund lower Basin contingency plans conservation plans and so that money is being put forth to water users throughout the Basin to help pay for them to leave water in Lake Mead so there's been a lot of different steps to take taken by Reclamation we have not yet seen mandatory reductions those may be forthcoming highly likely since we're unable to get the volumes we need voluntarily um Basin State negotiations aren't going great um California has the highest priority in the lower base and they also have the largest allocation and they use all of it and so we really need them to participate in order to help save the system there may be some action there as well and we're hoping that they follow through on some promises to contribute to the system and additional efforts Reclamation announced that they will be um re-looking at the operations of the reservoirs for prior to the required date of 2026 so they're going to look in order to reduce releases from Powell they actually have to go through the NEPA process and environmental impact statement process because that impacts the ecosystem of the Grand Canyon so they're doing that and we should know more mid next year as to whether though there's approval for that so lots to come what we're certain of we're not certain exactly of how this is going to impact us but we are certain that we're going to have less Colorado River water and therefore you know we're advocating just for ongoing preparation management and investment in our water resources and our infrastructure so with that what does this mean for Gilbert so what we know so far is that it's been time to enact our water supply reduction management plan we've been in stage one since June stage one is water education so we've been ramping up that um education to the Community Resources available Etc you can see all four stages of our plan here shown stage one and two are all voluntary should we need to move into stage three and four that's when there would be restrictions on watering for our customers thus far in stage one we have as I mentioned we've done social media posts Outreach we have a water shortage webpage that we continue to update we have assembled our internal shortage management team to come up with different ideas and strategies to get the word out there and to help motivate our customers to reduce demand we have met with the Chamber of Commerce to give an update in August and we're doing a an HOA Roundtable next week to talk with our HOAs about reducing demand how can we help them what are they looking at with their Landscapes as far as changes they may be considering and then we launched our smart irrigation controllers uh rebate this in September and since then we've actually issued 56 controllers and one to an HOA and our preliminary estimates from our pilot program is that each controller saves about 40 000 gallons which is significant so we're hopeful to continue to offer that program and expand it as as we can to help mitigate the need the reductions that we foresee next year early 2023 we're going to do an external stakeholder group launch with Representatives throughout the town to help get their input in how to you know just ramp up conservation efforts and then launch a non-residential Turf conversion rebate um we're also hopeful to expand our rebates coming fiscal year 24. with that um I just want to highlight this is from the drought contingency plan what we estimated our our impacts the impacts would be from the DCP and what reductions we were forecasting this somewhat gets thrown out when it comes to just what may happen with Reclamation just that uncertainty so previously as we were looking we do know thus far for 2023 we're in a tier 2A that's about a 1.4 reduction to our to our supply so we were good with stage one of our plan when we were looking previously at maybe a tier 2B in 2024 we still remained in that stage one condition 2025 we were thinking maybe that's when we'd hit a tier three that would ramp us up to stage two but this is based on previous projections um and we're kind of not really in this environment anymore so with that we are looking at what are the potential realities again these next two slides are just how we're kind of trying to bookend what reality we may be living in so best case maybe we need to implement stage two come mid 20 2023 once Reclamation has come out with more additional Cuts Etc maybe that's our best case come mid 2023 worst case um just putting it out there that maybe we don't have any Cap Supply again we're just looking at bookending the situation because then we're ready for anything and everything in between those two scenarios Arizona is advocating at the state level that the cap cannot run dry so this is a very highly unlikely scenario but we must plan for all situations and every scenario in between with that I'm going to hand it off to Rebecca to talk about how we are planning to insulate ourselves from this worst case scenario thank you Lauren so if you're following along in in your book you'll see a map I'd ask you to flip forward to the next one we're going to work on building this graph first and then we'll get back to the map so um what I'd like to talk about is transitioning from the Water Resource we're now talking about Water Production so our physical ability to produce water at the facilities that we currently have and walking you through this graph we have this is our current ability to produce water our current production capacity we have in blue our SRP surface water which is produced at the North Water Treatment Plant in pink our cap service water at the San Tan Vista plant and in Orange are firm well capacity so all of the wells that we have throughout the system in Gilbert um I have a few acronyms up here I'm going to Define them so MGD I'm talking about millions of gallons per day so switching over from acre foot per year in production we talk about million gallons per day so how much can we physically produce each day and I'm talking about maximum day demand so maximum day demand is the single highest day of the year the hottest day of the year the highest day of the year where our customers are are using the most water in 2020 we hit 78 million gallons per day that's our highest to record is a particularly hot summer so that's the number we're holding for our maximum day demand and if you add all of these numbers together the 45 million gallons per day at the North plant 24 million gallons per day at the sandhan plant and 35 million gallons per day for Wells you have 104 million gallons per day so as Lauren was talking about those different shortage tiers we have different trigger limits for stage three and stage four and I'll get into that in a little bit but what we're looking at is is this ratio I'm going to call it a utilization ratio so what's our maximum day Demand versus our our production capacity and right now we're sitting at 75 percent this is our current system configuration and we're in a comfortable place moving forward to the unlikely but possible scenario of a short-term cap shortage where we Have No Cap Supply we take away that 24 million gallons per day from the San Tan Vista plant and our production our ability to produce water goes down to 80 million gallons per day so with a Max day demand of 78 million gallons per day firm production capacity of 80 million gallons per day our ratio is 97 and a half so we're in a tough spot and the way we fix that is either by adding Supply or reducing demand which in Gilbert we're looking to do both we're asking our customers can serve and our drop plan is asking customers to conserve and I'll also be proposing some additional supplies to to help get that ratio back down so in the next scenario we're proposing 12 million gallons per day of additional well supplies to combat and and weather the deepest of the cap shortages so with 12 MGD additional supplies our Max day demand stays the same our firm production capacity goes up to 92 million gallons per day and our ratio is 85 percent now overlaying that oops all right we'll do one more before we overlay it we expect that a long-term cap shortage could look like half of our Colorado River allocation so instead of the 24 million gallons per day we get at San Tan now from the cap we're looking at 12 million gallons per day and so this scenario brings us back to where we are now minus 24 plus 12 and then plus another 12. uh we're right back up at that that 75 ratio in the long-term cap shortage scenario so now overlaying what a stage 3 and stage 4 drought might look like those are triggered at 92 percent for stage three and 99 for stage four so you can see here that in a short term cap shortage where we have no Colorado River allocation we're well into stage three and we're approaching stage four with those additional well supplies in the short term we're out of stage three we're out of stage four and then with the long-term cfu shortage we're in a really similar position to today but Gilbert is still growing and so in this next next slide this last column is our resiliency supplies you'll notice here the SRP surface water has stayed the same until here it increases by 15 million gallons per day later today you're going to hear a presentation by Gene Jensen about the North Water Treatment Plant reconstruction and that includes an additional 15 million gallons per day of capacity for growth so that added into an additional 12 MGD of resiliency supplies which are additional well supplies and other supplies that we need to keep Pace with growth as we approach build out we have a future maximum day demand projected at build out of 96 million gallons per day and a firm production capacity of 131 million gallons per day for a ratio of 73 you'll remember we're currently at 75 so this is this is a good position for us to be in going into the future now what that looks like in the future with future demands future stage 3 and stage four with that 96 million gallon per day max day demand debt build out you can see that with the long-term cap shortage the additional 12 million gallons per day of well capacity is not enough alone to keep us out of stage three and so we really do need the additional supplies to keep Pace with growth to keep us um out of long-term uh stage three and stage four drop shortages so to summarize we're looking at in the short term the deepest cap Cuts with zero allocation from the Colorado River we could be looking at a 12 MGD short-term Gap we're looking to fill by accelerating some projects which I'll talk about next uh in the long term to keep Pace with growth another 12 million leading to 24 million gallons per day and this is the number I kind of want you to keep in mind in the back of your head is a three-year construction timeline so when we're talking about building a well it's a pretty lengthy process so there's property acquisition there's borehole siding drilling do you have um do you have a productive borehole do you have a good quality borehole it's an extensive process before we actually get into drilling casing and equipping the well and that entire process optimistically is a three-year construction timeline for the from when we start the project when we're able to permit and introduce that water to the system so there's a little bit of a lag in these projects so that okay I'll talk first about the um this is the slide that we skipped for um back in your packets this is our current water system and our supply limitation so up here we have our North Water Treatment Plant down here we have our Santan Vista water treatment plant and the the system is is divided into four different pressure zones so Zone one is this kind of pink color here zone two is the Blue zone three is the green and the little corner over here and purple is zone four so the North Water Treatment Plant generally serves everything north of the 202 and Santa and Vista generally serves everything south of the 202 with additional well supplies that augment the capacity in high demand times or when our plants are offline for annual maintenance in zone one we have a well inventory of nine Wells zone two we have five Wells on three we have four Wells and zone four we only have one well but it's a small zone so when we're looking at accelerating these projects we're going to be looking at augmenting our supply in zones two and three where Santan is typically delivered and where we could use a little bit more well capacity um so this is the proposed acceleration of well projects all of these projects were existing in our Capital plan they were planned for keeping Pace with growth from now until build out these projects have been accelerated so we're looking to move forward a few of these that have current funding in FY 23 and then proposing to move forward a few more of these into fy24 the reason they're staggered is we don't necessarily have the capacity or the ability to deliver them all starting this year so it's a phased approach and when we build a well we design it with the hopes of a two million gallon day capacity and like I mentioned these these Wells typically take three years to complete so those that were starting this year we wouldn't see them until FY 26 those were starting next year we'd see an FY 27. and with that I'll hand it back to Lori to close us out thank you thanks Rebecca so that just ties all I mean the well projects all tie into our overall Colorado River strategy um you've probably seen this slide on many of um my presentations to council lately and it will continue to be included in all of the council Communications because really we look at our strategy under three main topic areas which is operational resiliency which are those well projects ways that we can continue to deliver wet water to the system we're also looking at other ways to Partnerships Regional Partnerships in order to maybe do some exchanges Etc to kind of buffer Us in that interim before we can get those Wells online and then long-term portfolio sustainability that's all about being able to continue to serve Gilbert for the long term in accordance with our assured water supply requirements and just for the longevity of this community and then water conservation and efficiency really looking at ways to reduce demand because that's going to also lengthen and extend our supplies as much as possible so then what to kind of expect this next year and Beyond we're looking at a few different things we've mentioned already today that stage two is likely on the horizon we're accelerating requests for CIP those are going to have budget impacts Staffing impacts and then also additional conservation pools to provide our community and then just there's going to be lots and lots of interest in this topic and of course we're available to help you understand what's going on and also provide that information to the community so with that I'm just going to left leave it on this slide with just all of our efforts are really to make sure that shortage at the river does not mean a shortage at the tap with that I'll open it to questions and thank you for having us today Mike Scott please you've probably heard Lauren emphasize the importance of reclamation in this whole process and so far they've been cowards they've done nothing and the only way that this is going to be addressed as if the seven Basin States work on it together and right now the upper basins they could care less I read a quote the other day from a rancher in Wyoming that says when it rains and snows in Wyoming that's Wyoming's water not anybody else's that's the attitude of the upper Basin and we've got to get over that as a council requested item to explore and and discuss the possibility of creation of a public works Advisory board and some of the merits to that to having a body of that nature and this conversation came out of for those of you who have been with the town for a little while we had a transportation advisory task force that the Town Council assembled and when we were putting together the information for and reviewing information for the transportation ballot issue that was before the voters the member of that task force but um we were talking about transportation and and the many needs we have in transportation as as that body knows full well as they've helped us review that information and put that information and make that recommendation to council but we were talking internally about going Beyond just Transportation related matters um into more infrastructure related matters in general and a lot of the infrastructure that's critical to the quality of life in our community so the ask for this is a discussion on the merits of creating a public works Advisory Board and direction to staff on proceeding forward with that starting with the why why do we believe this would be important because infrastructure Utilities in the environment are critical lines of service for the organization and absolutely essential to the quality of life we enjoy here in Gilbert and those primary areas of focus as we look at this are Transportation Systems water treatment wastewater treatment reclaimed water storm water Solid Waste and Recycling hazardous waste and then sustainability issues which encompasses a pretty broad spectrum of areas of focus but the thought being that each of these areas would be important areas that if we had a body to help us evaluate projects and evaluate programs commission studies to help us best understand the needs of this community there could be a lot of value in that in value to the mayor and Council as that body could help review and vet things for potential action and Direction further direction from the mayor and Council and so the how what this would look like and again this is for purposes of a conversation um the Public Works Advisory Board is intended to be an advisory body that studies assesses and renders advice on a full range of infrastructure Transportation right-of-way solid waste recycling Hazardous Waste Water treatment wastewater treatment storm water management sustainability related matters and make recommendations to the mayor council Town management and the public works department and some of the the um things that I just stated but some of the the things that we see that could be a value proposition we've talked a lot about Community engagement public engagement and getting feedback from our residence and input from a residence we thought this may be something that provides another opportunity for valuable input and engagement for our community as we evaluate projects that do have impacts sometimes directly on their property sometimes directly on their rates and sometimes just in general with things that we do for this community that are of great importance and great value to the community that this body if we appointed it with individuals from our community with various areas of expertise professionally and by way of experience could be something much in the manner in which are planning its owning commission is populated with individuals with various areas of expertise and and professional experience that they could help us evaluate some really critical projects and really critical initial initiatives in our community community and provide value to the mayor and council with with recommendations on potential action and Direction on those items so the how and this is just we we looked at Public Work bodies from across the country a lot of cities have them advisory bodies all the ones we found are advisory in nature they do not make binding decisions on a community or on projects they just advise staff Mayors and councils but similar to other bodies we have seven members appointed by the mayor and council with professional backgrounds and experience in the areas of focus advisory nature only Gilbert residents appointed for for two year terms these are all just things to throw out for your consideration it's not that you could make whatever determination in regards to the size number term um just for purposes of the conversation if we wanted to move forward with this in looking at it our thought was first um if you'd like us to work on this and what man in what Manner would we go forward but a scope of work in the focus area so we threw some things out based on what other cities use these bodies and have them look at we could certainly expand that we could uh narrow that in more we could form an official Council subcommittee or we could just form a working group but really looking for direction from the Council on how you'd like us to to move forward and further explore and vet this this potential bot advisory body for the town then we'd bring that back to a spring 22 strategic Retreat for those of you who have been with the council for a while this would be something in addition to the Spring financial Retreat we do every year we look at things that have a financial impact to our budget and to our community um the thought being with so many new council members two years ago we had four new people come into roles now we've got three new people council members coming into the roles that it might be a good time to do a combined Retreat strategic Retreat between the executive team and the mayor and Council and really talk about the future of Gilbert current strategic initiatives we have underway new initiatives we may want to look at and undertake but do a combined Retreat so that we together can build a consensus around a focus and direction that we're going to head into and we can use that as as kind of that starting point um to look back to why have why are we moving down certain paths or why are we tackling certain programs but it'd be a great opportunity to get us all on the same page and work together towards creation of that vision and this is certainly something we could bring back to that retreat at that time to further discuss that and maybe make a direction to move forward on it if we were we could look potentially May June time frame to interview and appoint board members and then have this body actually start up in fiscal year 24 which is July 1st we're on a fiscal year-end budget here in Gilbert or the entire State of Arizona so fiscal year 24 would actually be July for fiscal year 24 what would generally do not have meetings in July so technically the first meeting of the body could be in August of next year so with that I know it's pretty straightforward um happy to have any thoughts uh input or discussion you've got it this time and if you'd like us to proceed forward under the man under which manner you'd like us to do that um to further vet this out and bring something back for a Spring retreat for cons full consideration so we had not envisioned that aspect of it Scott but it's certainly something that we we could vet out further um in regards to any infrastructure related piece um the thought here more was and I'll use docatel Road alignment project as one that this body could go work with staff to go through that project establish you know the need for the project understand the variables involved with utilities and and right-of-way needs also provide an opportunity for residents to come and address the body on a specific project that is imper packs to their property and then make a recommendation to the Council on what they believe is is the right approach with that project going forward or with an expansion of the water plant or a Wastewater Plant um that's really what was more envisioned for it but we could certainly explore additional areas such as the one you mentioned I'm not going to make eye contact right now or Leah um we'd have to look at Staffing yes we we certainly would need to look at Staffing to make sure that we set this body up for success and get the full value out of it so I Envision a combination of um Parks and Rec board and Planning Commission in this sense because Parks and Rec board they about this Planning Commission you use them as an example because we have specific um scopes of work that some of those members of the community come from such as Architects landscape art Architects those kinds of things so you'd be looking for specific specific members do we have an idea of what kind of jobs those folks would be coming from you know Public Works in general covers such a broad spectrum of things I think that's something we'd want to talk through where it's the right number of members and what are specific backgrounds we look for certainly someone with a civil engineering background would be a valuable member to that agency someone with specific utility experience Water waste water would be a valuable Zone with Transportation Planning experience would be a value valuable member to have on a body like that but I think once we Define the scope of things that would go before this body then it would give us a better idea of what types of individuals to recruit for that for that Advisory Board and you mentioned other cities have this board yeah is around us city of Maricopa actually has one currently the last City I worked in outside of St Louis has one there's quite a few cities that use them in this capacity and as we know infrastructure projects are very complex Transportation projects our transportation master plan which the council just adopted are very complex undertakings and the thought being that at the the transportation ballot issue that we did a very big lift and a very complicated issue and having that body assembled to to really think through question the projects look at the scope of things and then make recommendations to the council we thought was was a real value add in that process and could be for things like this as well foreign in addition to kind of the members that you just mentioned Patrick it might also be valuable to have a our transportation system and utility in the town of Gilbert I think about depth of knowledge that's necessary to really vet through these projects and give us that extra perspective positions might also be better connected to National Trends Regional Trends and issues that might be affecting us that that we aren't that we don't necessarily have our layer up um I was just curious um with the community or maybe a neighborhood or something like that do you anticipate that being a piece of that as well so um council member tilkey had asked if this board one of the things again just initial thoughts Kathy and I know we've got the council Communications subcommittee looking at how we engage with our residents our boards and commissions that was a value proposition that we thought of Kathy that here is another opportunity for residents to engage their local government on something that has an impact with them sometimes personally with their property sometimes just with projects in general to have their voice heard and have input in the evaluation of these systems and again so that body then can make it even more informed referral of direction to the council I Envision just like any other public meeting like a public like a Parks and Rec board that the public can come and speak are are Planning Commission where the public can come and speak and have their say at the same time so it is another level for them to be involved I think I think the only thing that I would um probably recommend is not two-year terms but three year terms because I think the majority of our boards are for your germs except for planning commissions so let's keep those consistent and when you're starting up a board it's easier to do three-year terms because you can do a couple of them as three year terms and a couple of them is two-year terms and a couple of them is a one-year term so that we can make sure that we have that staggered effect as the the terms expire sure yeah any of those things that again there was just a starting point for conversations but certainly we'd look at all of that in whatever Direction the council want to go in otherwise so I think with anything else anything but mayor I think it might be nice just so that we get it into a habit as a group that when um staff is asking for some direction that we all say yes or no or what concerns we have because sometimes it's very easy if two or three of us are speaking and then staff is assuming that everybody's agreeing and maybe you're not and so maybe we could just go around with the council and just find out if they they feel that is it worth staff's time to look into this a little further and bring back to us or if he had any concerns that includes Council elect members is Kathy saying yes yes thank you oh yes of things the board that would come to the board would want to try to cover all those bases or as many as possible with individuals with backgrounds in that area extremely specialized though correct um there are some things that are underlying you know civil engineers are very often involved in multiple aspects of the various things that I've mentioned but some things like solid waste recycling sustainability issues certainly are more specialized without a lot of overlap that would probably be an important part of evaluating this how big do that does that board need to be and what would we want to make sure and find by way of backgrounds are those research those those people those resources available and not a member at Large yeah those are all the things we look at my hope would be with 280 000 residents we'd have we would have the majority of it covered and hopefully people that would want to serve in that capacity but certainly Jim we want to think through all that those kinds of issues this is a formal it's going to be a commission or though Jim as their as their evaluating projects they could always bring people into to have Specialists come in and discuss items for presentation purposes like there's only one young kaprowski so she might have to bring somebody else in um Bobby any thoughts I like the ideas a lot about get some insight from other people too yeah the thought what Chuck was that you know things coming directly from staff to council you know puts a very large burden on you to be that finder of fact and review the issues and deeply understand it so we all know Council agendas are usually pretty full with things so having a body to actually do a lot of that heavy lifting and evaluation of things would provide you know some some Community input as well as additional outside thought um in when it comes to making uh recommendations to council I would recommend a seven-member body I think that seven is a nice number to work with I think yeah it might need to be broadened to nine just because of how many different areas you're trying to cover the one thing about the transportation task force is that there are nine from different areas and um because some people may not be as engaged a nine-member body would at least get you know five or seven very active members which would be helpful okay well and mayor if um and I'm not trying to short-circuit the conversation um but if the direction is to pursue this further um guidance for us is um put together a working group internally involve councilman koprowski as the liaison to that working group and let us work through all these issues and and really nail down proposed scope and then we'll recommend by number of members so that we make sure we've got good coverage that are an alternate like we do with the Planning Commission I don't think any other boards or commissions have that in Gilbert but you could absolutely so I'd be happy to you know be the liaison and talk with you but I think like in like a working group it is probably sufficient we don't need to have a formal subcommittee no I think a working group with staff and you with liaison is good perfect yeah and I like the scope of time that you included too okay okay so we will move forward uh we'll work with councilman kaprowski pull together a small working group and we will Target bringing something back for Council consideration at the Spring retreat which is anticipated probably late April early May time frame that'll be difficult if we want to seat this board in May and June so just yeah mine too because we'll have to advertise for it in order okay we'll look through all of that and and uh make sure we we allow ourselves enough time to just let it done that's the only thing I'm thinking okay Leah Jessica anything you would add in okay yeah Judy thank you Patrick we typically only have the applications open when we are actually recruiting for people but one of the options is to have kind of a general interest application so I'm just mentioning it because it's possible that we could maybe start looking for some of those potential um candidates and then we would obviously once we officially have the opening we could invite them to all apply but maybe that would help to kind of start getting that interest going possibly so we can look into that thank you our applications now include that would you like to be involved in something else or volunteer for something else too so that's good thank you did you get enough Direction yep I think we've got it thank you thank you hopefully you see over there are you staying over there all right hopefully everybody is still on the sugar high not on the sugar Crash from the cookies some of us had way too many cookies to eat at lunch um so we will get started on the North Water Treatment Plant and we wanted to start with this quote so as you are already know and as many of you are learning we have an exceptionally talented team here in Gilbert working to anticipate the community's current and long-term needs especially when it comes to infrastructure this team believes that infrastructure is the backbone of economic growth and the reason that we believe this is because we know firsthand that infrastructure is how we provide our residents and our own families with clean water with Safe Streets with sewer with an array of services in Gilbert we know infrastructure helps create jobs and it supports business growth as evidenced by this aspirational photo for downtown Gilbert so this quote from Margaret Thatcher she may have been intending to be literal to Rhodes but I interpret this quote as applying to all infrastructure and that is economists travel on infrastructure so today the presentation that Gene is going to walk you through today is an on one of Gilbert's most significant infrastructure projects in our history which also happens to be one of the largest water infrastructure projects in the entire Southwest and that is benign so you heard a lot of acronyms yesterday so Gene's going to walk through the details of this project including some of the key and very significant challenges facing the project there's a lot of information that she's going to share and trust me when I say that there's an overwhelming abundance of information that was pared down and taken out of the presentation to keep this as digestible as possible but if you take just a few things away from what she's going to walk through with you if you take just a few things away from this presentation it is that delivering safe clean water is a sacred trust that we take very seriously that maximizing Gilbert's water resiliency is imperative and that time is of the essence with this critical project for our residents and our community and so with that Gene's going to walk you through the North Water Treatment Plant reconstruct hey Julia so for those folks that haven't had the chance to meet before my name is Gene Jensen I'm one of the capital project supervisors and our utilities area so my team delivers Water waste water storm water and reclaim water infrastructure projects on behalf of the operations teams really glad to be with you here today it's been a little while since I've had an opportunity to share this project with the council at large the last large presentation we shared with you is in February of 2021 but since then we've had a number of updates and and updates along the way that are I think relevant here but it's time for us to bring this project back and on top of the conversations you've already had today with regards to water resources and others I just wanted to bring us back to the original challenge statement that this project put forward the internal subject matter experts and we are blessed to have a team of folks that really understand every component of these types of projects work together and develop the challenge statement you see before you and I share it with you now because I will tell you that this challenge statement evolved through this project but it's underlying messages still true a substantial investment is required in order for us to continue to produce safe reliable and resilient water from our North Water Treatment Facility a brief overview of what we're going to touch on Leah was very gracious to say that we cut out a lot of material for context there are more than 70 slides in the Boneyard for this that we could spend time on but in the interest of time we are going to make sure we focus on the most important messages and takeaways as you saw on that first slide we had key takeaways each section will have some key takeaways and for those slides that are very material dense you may see a summary note at the very top to help you understand what's the most important message we're sharing we'll walk through the initial Challenge and how this project came to be through the staff internal development process that business case that was presented and how the project has since developed the project team how we're implementing best value through our value engineering processes our cost and program recommendation as well as share with you an upcoming Milestone hopefully next week we'll be going before the Planning Commission for the special use permit on this facility so I want to make sure that you folks are completely up to date as to where we are with this project and how we're moving forward so the initial challenge this view here looks towards the east so actually the the Drone that took this image is probably about 600 feet west or east of us here the North Water treatment plan is actually located barely a stone's throw across the riparian from us um this view takes a look at the old the existing facility and wants to share with you just how large of a facility this is this is a really involved space a lot of structures so just you have a sense of the capacity and the space that we're taking up the takeaways for this initial challenge is that this facility serves about 150 000 of our residents today but is anticipated to serve up to 250 000 in the future this is a substantial amount of impact to our community the staff efforts to date have focused on creating best value and considering long range infrastructure implications not just what's easy and quick today but what's the best investment for the community going forward also I want to reiterate just how much collaboration happened between the internal subject matter folks you've got some of them here in the room today with Lauren and Rebecca and Jessica and others but it went far beyond the stones of this room to include a group of folks who are not able to be in front of you today sharing with it but I wanted you to know that they were involved as well so some context on the North Water Treatment Plant it is an existing 45 million gallon per day facility located in the northeastern corner of Gilbert like I mentioned just down the street currently serves about 150 000 residents anticipated to serve 250 at build out it is the backbone and the most flexible part of our resilient water supply it does not receive water directly from the Colorado River it's a different water source the salt Verde Rivers as well as groundwater and it's an economic driver as you can see highlighted in blue this is the sections of our community that receive water from this facility today they open a tap they're likely getting water that came from this facility it's the economic driver behind our Northwest Redevelopment District our downtown our medical complex near the Gateway Hospital as well as the regional economic components that are served through the Gateway Airport areas now this slide summarizes some of the efforts taken on by staff highlighting the key takeaways from those efforts including that our integrated master plan indicated we needed to reduce our dependence on groundwater in order to be able to provide that resource in the time of drought or need our water quality master plan identified the most important components of our water quality compliance portfolio going forward helping us focus our efforts where they would most be needed in the years going forward a facility condition assessment was completed in 2018 the first that had been done for this facility identifying a little north of 70 million dollars in structural rehab and repair these are structural improvements that wouldn't change a thing about the facility other than keep the walls up and the lights on this is an important note because it's part of the decision process in addition to that staff took on a very comprehensive piloting effort to look at different ways of running the facility to look for optimization as well as making improvements throughout the systems so how did we get here how do you how do you get to the point where you realize this is the investment you need to make and I'll share with you that it started for me at least as a part of an ozone project system replacement we were asked to take a look at the ozone system on site and say it's time to make a major rehab of this structure it's a 16 year old piece of equipment it needed a million dollars in maintenance is this the best thing to do do we want to sink a million dollars into a piece of equipment that's approaching its end of life or do we need to ask ourselves questions we did a cost benefit analysis on that piece of equipment and identified that replacement was appropriate for replacing it we should optimize how we use it and optimization for us is where the most opportunity may lay so that optimization encouraged us to ask ourselves a lot of questions is that ozone system in the right place why do we use ozone is there another compound at the same time that we're having these conversations within that one project the operations teams were working together to take a look at how to handle our disinfection byproduct compliance I know we talked yesterday about eliminating or reducing acronyms as much as we can so I'll tell you right now disinfection byproduct DBP total trihalomethane and tthm for us are all interchangeable terms so you may see DBP or THM on these slides that is a compliance challenge so our operations teams were meeting with engineering and one another to figure out how to continue to maintain compliance and we wanted to take advantage of a decadal dry up on the canal an opportunity to go through every part of that facility and make sure it was in good working order and had the Investments it needed to run long into the future and then that effect of all of these efforts going on at once was this incredible cross-pollination conversation between all the teams where we went hang on I don't think my project is as far removed from your effort and is far removed from this other effort as we thought so that got us to the point where we started to develop this large packet of information that we could share with our leadership to in order to gain guidance that business case development comes into four primary areas that where the backbone of why we recommended the Reconstruction of the north plant first and foremost is the regulation Gilbert's population has grown from when a regulation was first put in place and we will walk through the timeline on that that population grew and crossed a threshold 250 000 residents which required that we have to take a new look at our regulation and compliance standards in order to meet that going forward water quality the north plant was designed at a time period where water quality was really stable and predictable but unfortunately we have experienced some really dramatic changes in the Watershed that serve this facility and that component was a key factor because the north plant was never designed to operate the way that we've asked it to design the terrible analogy that I usually use is if you bought a car in the 1960s for a road trip you wouldn't take that same car to F1 and that's what we asked that car to do we bought that car with a certain kind of water quality in mind we tried to put it on a much different race track for my Water Resources standpoint when we first kicked this project off we were focused on preserving our groundwater but now we're starting to see the incredible importance of this facility to unlock our flexibility as we Face continued drought conditions on the Colorado River and finally as I've mentioned a few times site condition so those are the four pieces of the puzzle that we put together to build this business case so the stakeholder team we've consistently tried to create a message that we can all understand and work towards and that's where this initial challenge statement you saw on the first few slides came from those four pieces of the puzzle come together as such so from a regulatory space the North Water Treatment Plant if you recall from that blue overlay serves Northern Gilbert and the eyebrow that's represented on the 2018 map represents kind of the limit where it's no longer the majority facility so residents north of that eyebrow typically would receive water from the north plant in the majority the reason I point that out is below that eyebrow you see that there's less pockets of yellow orange and red which indicate potential compliance challenges that's because our Santan Vista water treatment plant receives a different water portfolio and it's less reactive so it tends to be a more stable water for our long-term regulations this growth that we had here in Gilbert pushed us to be with the First Community in the country that we are aware of that went from one level of compliance to the next highest tier so we grew and that growth required we take our eight existing sampling sites that were distributed based off of a model of our system at that time Pick 12 new sites based on a representation of our system and those sites have to be married to being representative of the full system you don't get to pick where they are you have to do a pretty comprehensive analysis to say these sampling points are representative of potentially some challenges in our system the reason we point all that out is because as you see on the left image and then as we zoom in onto the right if we were to reduce our Reliance on groundwater which is how we had been managing this particular compliance challenge to date we would go from having pockets of yellow orange and red to almost our entire Zone one being a challenge compliance area I share this because it's the worst thing from the water operation standpoint to have to send out or real close to it at least this is a snapshot of a letter that went out to our residents informing them that the water that they were receiving was not in compliance for at least one monitoring period now disinfection byproducts are a long-term chronic contaminant this is not something that makes you sick immediately but over a long time a lifetime of exposure it does increase some risks in this case that we want to be sure and mitigate I share this with you to help you understand where it falls on our timeline it's right here in the zone one tthm violations we had two consecutive quarters where those letters went out but you ask sometimes where do these projects come from where how far back do they go and in this case the regulation was first introduced in 2006 it was first part of our compliance program in 2012 and at the same time that we're doing that we have to take a look at the system those operational trigger exceedances are a process within this regulation where you look at how the system is running and you say to yourself if I keep running this way I might have an issue next quarter I point this out because it's to share that the operations teams did a great job of seeing those kind of yellow lights and getting that system back where it needed to be unfortunately in 2017 they weren't able to use all the tools in that toolbox there were some equipment issues other challenges that resulted in two known violations those were reported to the public at the same time we were starting our 2017 Water Resources master plan we're in the process of updating that now that's a requirement every five years we did a water quality master plan first one for the town of Gilbert where we wanted to make sure we were investing well across the entire water system not just focusing site by site but saying in a comprehensive way how are we doing water quality we underwent that condition assessment and then the census although a little bit more complicated in 2020 than normal it did come back and indicate that we had exceeded that population threshold and we needed to redistribute our sites a key point from this slide if you take nothing else away is that we've been under this new regulation since the beginning of the year and so far so good the team has kept us within compliance despite the increased challenges and we're doing well but this is requiring kind of an all hands on deck approach I mentioned before in my terrible analogy about cars that the north plant was designed at a period in time when water was much more reliable in terms of its quality and the reason here and I'll point it out into the graphic is a function of many different things but one in specific is the impact of wildfire and weather pattern changes on our watersheds so Phoenix is the little tiny blip in the bottom left-hand corner of this map that is served by this massive Watershed of that chunk that Watershed has unfortunately experienced consistent wildfires the first and most significant of which that changed our portfolio was the rodeo chetta Sky fire back in 2000 which burned hundreds of thousands of acres in northeastern Arizona for those of you that enjoy the Heber Overgaard or show low areas if you drive through there as much as I have you've probably noticed that that area is still recovering and that's part of why although this fire is now 22 years old it permanently and likely irrevocably changed the water quality on this Watershed that we see at the facility beyond that the plant sees three different water types throughout the year it is one of the only facilities in the country that's asked to treat water from two different rivers and then throw some groundwater in there too that Salt River that we see in the summer is more likely to form these disinfection byproducts the water we see in the fall the Verdi has color to it thus the name it also has an increased fraction of arsenic and well water although we often use groundwater to offset our disinfection byproducts this one actually has some components in it that can aggravate that disinfection byproduct process the plant used to shift water in April and October reliably just one River swapped to the other and what's changed since then as the weather patterns have shifted is that we're seeing that this water quality shift this River shift is not bi-annual it can be weekly it can be every few days if you remember a late winter snowstorm on the Verdi Watershed about three years ago now probably four years ago now because the pandemic's a giant time suck for me but the there was a lot of snow kind of up by Payson that snow was so substantial that the river swap didn't actually occur until three quarters of the way through July but Salt River Project needed to run that system differently in order to meet their own obligations and so we were seeing water quality shift Thursday night from Verdi to salt Monday night from Salt back to Verde and groundwater in between so a facility that used to change every six months was now changing three times a week groundwater isn't just an important resource in terms of putting physical water into physical pipes but there is a financial implication to not using our full allotment of reallocated water this totally sustainable water here because of the way the facility was designed we were leaving up to seven thousand acre feet of renewable water in our proverbial bank account that we weren't using and drafting out instead groundwater to make those needs make up so here what we see is that we want to be able to maximize this renewable resource versus using our groundwater which is our insurance policy against the future I mentioned also our condition assessment the most important piece of this was there was a 70 million dollar backlog of structural and physical repairs the facility needed but in our evaluation we also identified that the facility was requiring double the industry standard for reinvestment indicating that in addition to the 70 million we'd found there was likely underlying problems within the facility in terms of how it was constructed and its quality that we're going to continue to become a financial strain on the community this structural reenhancement whatever you want to call it would not have allowed us to do what we need to do treatment wise it would have simply improved the physical structures to make sure that they were stable for the future so what does that mean that was a lot of really dense information and the subject matter team has a little bit of self-awareness we are nerds but we understand that not everyone wants to get into the weeds with us so because there are some that might the team put together a 30-ish maybe 35 page white paper summarizing everything you just saw and then also doing some Alternatives evaluation and Analysis we knew that we needed to to kind of condense all of these ideas and thoughts and Analysis the teams have been doing and putting them together in a way that made us so we could all see it together that then allowed us to take a look at all the Alternatives what do we do we obviously have a challenge how do we bring It Forward we developed Alternatives evaluations that were then ultimately presented to the council in April of 2020. but between then when those challenges first came to play and that presentation it wasn't as though the north plant wasn't being a continuous point of consideration I share with you this slide because it basically just highlights the challenges that the facility was brought forward or the various Communications to council between when those violations happened and 2020 when we presented the actual plant project for your consideration highlighted in red are probably the ones that were the most significant including our water quality update on the violations our water quality master plan and Water Resources master plan indicating that we had the challenges of groundwater use as well as drinking water compliance the north plant condition assessment was brought forward there was a general presentation about long-range infrastructure planning and how we need to be looking long term we should be building infrastructure for the decadal view not for the Daily we presented in April 2020 at the financial Retreat the various alternatives for your consideration and then in November we came back and said we think we also want to recommend not just a reconstruction of the base 45 MGD plant but going ahead and taking the facility to its intentional build out of 60 million gallons per day the one thing I didn't highlight on that was that of those items you saw there 25 of the projects conducted at North plant by by number not by Dollar were emergencies in that same time period so that's a substantial concern point for my team specifically because that means there's something going on we're not predicting so this graphic was presented in April of 2020 to share with the council the thought process that the staff went through in evaluating the alternatives for the north plant rebuild we focused on a series of Alternatives and I share a few of them although there are sub Alternatives and some additionals that were out there to share that we went as far as what happens if we do nothing what is the implication of doing that all the way through what does a regional partnership look like can we reach out to our sister cities in this case our boundary sister cities not our International ones but to build these structures that would help us save dollars potentially and the short version was there was not a regional solution available so as we went through each alternative we vetted it against one of the conditions above does it get our water quality where it needs to be does it protect and allow us to have flexible use of our groundwater does it maximize our public trust by reducing the risk of a regulatory challenge what's the most cost effective which was an important consideration because there are multiple ways to achieve this water quality objective and finally which one gets us out of the danger zone the quickest and that ultimately recommended the Reconstruction of the full facility a further Financial evaluation took a look at this and identified that this was also the lowest cost option over the same time period so although up front the costs may look different over the course of the facility's life the savings would be coming forward so that gets you kind of a little bit through the how did we get here and how did we make the recommendation to council that was ultimately proved forward now into our project team development here in the room with me today I have a few representatives from our project team I'll ask them to sort of wave in your general direction we have our partners and our joint venture between our two contractors sunt and PCL Construction we've got Kaden Clint with us today we have John Westervelt with our pncm team and Ben Lee who is our design engineer all the way in the back there like good engineers and contractors they're as far away from the teacher as they possibly can be but but you'll notice in the next couple slides they get to the front row and they're right in the front of the class and we start talking about problem solving so the objectives for this section is to share with you that the staff works really hard to establish project objectives at the very beginning so we knew what success looked like before we had ever sketched a concrete box or written a specification we wanted to know what we wanted to achieve the best value philosophy has served us extraordinarily well as we've gone through some very trying economic times in the last 18 to 24 months so first up I'm sure no one has forgotten that things have been a little weird but we started this project during the height of the pandemic and so trying to get 25 or 30 people all working together is really really challenging so I someday I'm going to stop putting Rebecca's head in a giant picture on this but this is the only photo I took from this Workshop so she's just gonna have to deal with that and so you've got her on Zoom you've got another probably 25 people represented in these little squares over there trying to get this really collaborative project meeting pulled together when we can't be physically together Kurt's not as mad about the back of his head because he's not super obvious like no one totally recognizes him but poor Rebecca up there but the important detail here is that before we even got anyone under contract I told him before I sign anything with you you're coming to the stakeholder development process you're giving me your time and we're figuring out how to do this project this was in August of 2020 as you recall we presented to Council in April of 2020 advertisements were due June of 2020 we interviewed July of 2020 and less than two weeks later I had them in this room working through stakeholder development hmm so what did that come up with so before we brought our contractor or our engineer in the room staff worked with a technical advisor to establish these criteria for Success on this project we wanted to be sure that we understood obviously value and cost are critical but how do we measure all of the different things that don't have a dollar to them how do we establish best value and you'll see that what staff ranked was reliability maintainability flexibility and future operation conditions as more important than even their own day-to-day operability they wanted a facility that was going to serve us long into the future and be reliable and resilient and this has helped us as we've made decisions as we go forward the other thing that I'll point out is there are a handful of non-negotiables you know you can't have a facility that's intrinsically unsafe you can't have a facility that's not going to meet regulations so those were considered you know no Alternatives that touched that space I mentioned that contractors and Engineers like to sit in the back of the room but for this effort they actually got it right up front this was held as we looked at how to lay the facility out for those of you that saw the first versions of these presentations we suggested that because Nichols Park is immediately adjacent it could be impacted in a groups so representatives from each team scattered throughout this space all working independently of each other we laid out the facility in a way that now minimizes the impact to nickels and maintains that Community amenity as well as maintaining its primary function as an opportunity in case there's a canal issue for that water to go someplace so this was a really valuable effort it was difficult to do because this was still in pandemic times this was October of 2020 so not much better than August was but we were able to do hybrid as well as in-person versions of this and you'll notice there's lots of town staff although it's hard to tell everyone from the back um we've got folks from planning and development services and others all in this team so with that jumping into our cost and program Direction some takeaways here we took a comprehensive value engineering focused design stand down over the summer for those of you that are on we're on Council in June of 2022 you received a memorandum from our staff advising you that due to the extraordinary economic pressures we were under we wanted to take a design pause to Truly Deeply dive into value engineering so that's piece one the recommended program budget going forward is 545 million dollars and that the reconstructed plant will come online in early 2026. so what does that value engineering Stand Down achieve and what does it look like the summary from it was value engineering was not something we first started in that process over the summer we didn't go like it's time I guess we had been doing it all along so up till then we had generated 75 different Alternatives throughout the project whether it was a material shift or design change that were considered but during the value Engineering Process and it was intense we're talking 45 50 people in the public safety Amphitheater over the course of six days two weeks minimal snacks we weren't really nice to them either we generated over 150 additional ideas I'll walk through what that process looks like just so you can be familiar although if you saw the Public Safety Training Facility it's a very similar process in terms of what we took on but it's hard because you generate these ideas and you want to like start oh that's a good idea and you want to tear into it but there's a process we follow to make sure each idea gets measured fairly and independently and considered along the way one other piece we wanted to share with you is that our cost pressures and we'll share with you a really interesting index mapper we're using we are seeing those cost pressures start to level I wish I could say that I was seeing declines across them not yet but we are seeing those major Commodities starting to stabilize and the other thing I wanted to share with this team is that when we reached out to council and asked for your consideration for that 120 day design stand down we actually completed 30 days ahead of schedule so we finished the ve e effort in 90 days and that's why we're able to come to you today ready to present the full recommendation for your consideration so this cost program recommendation I share with you here what a typical ve process looks like we gather information we look at what are all the key functions of a facility we ask ourselves what are the most crazy creative ideas someone yells at the engineers because they want to start evaluating them immediately and they just want to tear into it you're like no just ideas it's chaotic but we have professionals that know how to Wrangle us we then go into a value analysis process and every idea unless it is completely unimaginably impossible to build and out of the 150 plus there were only two they got eliminated on first round for that get more than five or six pages of Excel spreadsheets it's heaven for me it would probably be miserable for most of you but there's pages and pages of review for every idea we went as far as to look at whether or not the floors would get these little toe kicks it only saved 1500 bucks and it probably would result in long-term drywall damage so we didn't do it but the idea was that we went that far in terms of the ideas we considered the big shift between a typical process though and the process we undertipped is we added this sorting step normally as soon as an idea doesn't fit your overall program you stop looking into it but we wanted to do a full evaluation of every idea give it its full Merit and then a categorize it into our various possible models so we presented it to the council and to our leadership we would be able to say we literally left no stone unturned because we actually considered whether or not landscape should be included all of this is then captured in that ongoing living design Evolution log so this design Evolution log is continuing to be updated this is not a one-time static process it's an ongoing effort but it was an extraordinary lift for that 90 days so from that memorandum that was shared with the council in June I wanted to provide an update on the items that have new information and those that are complete so as you see here the first one was that construction package one which was approved in January and construction Package 2 which was approved in June we're either at or under budget that's a great piece for us right now that hasn't changed the other item that hasn't changed is that we did conduct a value engineering design value focused Stand Down and that was initiated to explore the widest range of Alternatives we possibly could that's complete and ahead of schedule the other three items we'll share on the next slide with an update and this is a part of our process to update the council as to where this project now is so focusing on the three that have additional updates or information we see that package three as we used to refer to it and I say used to because I'm going to share with you a new packaging scheme that we're recommending had the majority of the treatment complex the 60 cost model showed a 35 escalation from February of 2021 to June of 2022. and finally that The Stand Down would shift the overall project schedule by about the same number of days as we were down for that time period so going through those is an update process the first one is that we're recommending splitting package three into two packages package three and package four it confuses even us we have a big map in the trailer and we've used colors so it's packaged purple and package green or package you know help we need help so we go through and we lay out all of these Alternatives too but I want to share why we're not just splitting that package up because I love doing paperwork there's a financial and a scheduled benefit to splitting the packages out the next is the cost as we as evaluated in June the cost model was 35 higher than it was 18 months previous through the ve process we reduced that overage by almost 40 percent and we are now on target with the Mortensen construction index for this area for industrial construction which is what this is that index indicated 21.5 percent escalation over the same period we are showing 21.6 that's as close as we could hope we presented yesterday on a number of issues to the new council members about procurement and inflation we presented that same material to Council in June we're seeing 25 and 40 escalation on most of our projects so it's remarkable that a project this size is actually seeing inflation that's a little bit more in line with the larger industry the last is that the stand-on would shift the overall project schedule by about four months but in reality we've cut the schedule down by 30 days and through repackaging we'll be able to bring that facility on about two months after we originally planned we originally looked at New Year's 2025 we're now looking about 60 days beyond that so a great opportunity by the team to split all this up I mentioned that we had multiple cost models and if you remember from the memo that was sent we were going to look into three areas a balanced model that honored all of the original project objectives a scope model where any processes we could avoid building today and maybe build tomorrow we would look into we would also look at Capital cost over life cycle costs where that made sense and then finally Capital was what is the literal Bare Bones minimum we can construct to get a 60 MGD facility online that's looking at things like how much emergency generation do you want and really cutting as much of that back as far as you could what we found though when we went through all of these evaluations was that the only model that could actually achieve the objectives of being financially responsible long-term vision and building for something for the future for the community was to recommend that balanced model and the implications of that balanced model are that it honors our best value approach which we committed to we have a project Charter many of you that came to the groundbreaking signed I don't think it's legally binding Chris a poster probably not [Laughter] um but it allows us to maintain the commitment we made to the community back in 2020 that we were going to build a long-term facility looking towards the long-term expenditure the long-term costs and the long-term resiliency and our ability to serve water to this community it also happens to have the lowest life cycle cost that's not coincidental we didn't wait the lines we looked at every cost and everything that could come out of it and it did come out as the lowest the the downside to it is it requires some complex construction sequencing we're not just building an airplane while flying it we're building it backwards and demolishing it as we go so this is a really challenging effort we'll kind of show you what that looks like on a couple of Graphics here in a moment but to share with you the cost is in alignment with the industrial construction inflation indexes and the system is now upgrade ready for the future I want to be careful to mention that upgrade ready in this case there's a regulation we're not currently aware of that could come up in the future we have both physical and what we call hydraulic or available space on the facility to allow for additional treatment if needed so with this we're going to start a little video this video is a power bi dashboard that our contractors team put together and it's going to show how we weighted the different models balanced scope and impact I'll drive our ground scope and capital the impact score in the upper right hand corner you'll see 100 items 190 items 100 items each idea is then impact how much does this change the project from the base project objectives so you'll notice when we click on this those ideas carried from package one to Package 2 to package three so ideas were considered across multiple packages if available and then waited against their impact so the balance model only had an impact score of two a minor impact overall to the relative project unfortunately this one just didn't quite animate the way we were hoping but this is an impact score of five when it comes forward and this one if you only focused on this impact score you get an impact of almost seven so as you remove those ideas that are commonly held in order to get to the next savings bucket so to speak You're negatively impacting the project from its original objectives so an overall impact score of 2.2 moderate impact score of four and a high impact score of five but again that's why we wanted to show what happens when you turn off the underlying ideas that are shared in each package the impact score starts to really grow and the delta in the cost is not as substantial as you would have expected so with that our cost model summary under the balanced recommendation we're moving forward with the original project objectives we did go system by System we looked at systems that had intrinsic resiliency and then compared that about whether we did an N plus one type design so if an existing a piece of equipment has resiliency within it do we need three of them or can we only build two took that on the process by process basis we wanted to balance the efficiency of the plant with its ability to respond to emergencies and ultimately what we'd share with you is that the cost model presented in February of 2021 was 457 million the cost model update as of June of this year was 575 and what we're recommending going forward is 545 million dollars the asterisk is not because we're trying to hide anything we just wanted to share this is a cost model We are continuing to Value engineer and identify Alternatives just yesterday we had a presentation with an emergency backup generation company that would use natural gas instead of diesel and may actually save the Town Money long term by allowing us to do some Energy Efficiency planning through Peak shaving and other opportunities along the way so we're not done with this process this is the snapshot in time at the end of the most recent ve effort so with that I mentioned before that we are splitting the package up and it's really difficult to understand even for me some days how many packages we're really looking at so in green hard to tell that that's actually new but that's the new solids handling facility that's under construction now anticipated to come online in early March that's making ways so that we can eliminate the solids drying beds that are now under that orange that represents our underground and deep structure piping that was a procured in June of this year so that was approved by Council in purple and now with New Roads is the new treatment complex as well as the new chemical building and administrative facilities there's a little bit outside the fence there and then as you come in the new GAC building appears as well as this is a big tank structure and in the last phase we remodel and repurpose existing buildings and build our new pre-sed imitation tanks so as I mentioned we build this plant backwards and to simplify it we'll do some magic and turn off the ground and then go ahead and have that underground piping show up so you can appreciate how much structure is really in this site that has to be built while this whole facility can't come offline for more than a few hours so it's a really it's a credit to the team that they're going to be able to do all this we're doing this now every day to keep it so that the public continues to receive that safe reliable and resilient water and they don't see a change in their service for those of you that were like that's a lot of things turning on and off here's a simplified version of the five packages we're now recommending the benefit of this package is it will reduce the schedule by about two and a half months overall on the whole project which isn't super amazing on a five-year project but it's better than going longer but it will also save the project about three and a half million dollars if we waited until every design package was completely ready as we had originally structured it there'd be 60 to 90 days where the contractor would be on site but have no work to do and so in order to keep those staff available that would be a substantial cost to US versus keeping them busy and moving and helping us keep that Staffing ratio even so folks are not spinning up and then spinning back down again I mentioned that we're not done value engineering some of the things we're continuing to look at now that we have completed 15 months of piloting out of the North plant um we ran a 1 6 000 scale 15 gallon per minute version of the treatment plant for a year and a half almost we now know that we don't need two ozone dosage points back to Ozone that original project that first got us all spun up we wanted to make sure as the ozone in the right place is it the right dose so the price we had in the 60 cost model assumed one dosage now we have piloting information that's shared with us we can lower that dosage potentially reduce the cost of that equipment we're going back to Market that going back to Market saved three million dollars on gmp2 by repricing that pipe we went to as far as to go out to the package five which was those pre-semitation basins we're looking at what it would take to go from 360-ish foot basins to two slightly larger basins with the same treatment impact but less footprint and less cost to construct and then on the overall we're still continuing to look at contingency General conditions and general requirements we're looking at construction rate efficiencies as well we have an ongoing PPI tracker a producer price index tracker I'll share on the next slide we're looking at just-in-time purchase and Market optimization and it's stated here as a shared savings Clause what we mean by that is finding ways to incentivize our team to continue to identify savings even after the contracts are issued because that continued diligence that continue to focus on best value can't stop just because the pencils are down from the engineer's perspective on the next slide it'll start animating immediately so I'll speak to it before I start it the contractors team has put together a power bi dashboard that scrapes the producer Price Index we then Focus those on the most important commodities for this project because obviously the producer price index has everything from Alfalfa through nickel and through steel we wanted to focus on what was really impacting this job so we can track it because what the producer is paying impacts the manufacturer's final cost and that would impact our buy so if we start to see a producer price level off or even decline that will help us inform on purchases so with that this PPI index will kick on here and you'll see to the left it'll be a data point at the very beginning when we took that initial cost model of the project and since then this is just a representative of the volatility this is a hundred percent up here 50 here so you'll see some items like the blue line here have actually declined and kind of leveled off others continue to be really volatile and that helps us understand along the top is a ticker telling you where we are this updates monthly with the Bureau of Labor Statistics data dumps and it's helping us keep an eye on what we're doing you can pause it if you have a particular interest in a particular material it's like the worst stock ticker in history in that particular capacity because it's never money that I'm getting but regardless you wanted to see what number two diesel fuel is doing why do we care about number two diesel that's what's in our construction equipment that's what runs the excavators versus in this case fabricated steel plate appears to be leveling off so if we're getting close to a structural steel purchase we now know that we're paying similar to the price that we would have paid if we bought two months ago we can make a decision based off of what we see so we're using this as a tool going forward to make sure that those purchases and those buys are happening at the best possible time so with that the only thing I want to make sure I pointed out is the graphic you saw of the plant we're not painting it purple and yellow we're still I I know and I'm sorry Mary Peterson I know you would love for it to be purple but but we'll be um we'll be presenting a rendering soon that'll have the form inlays that will impact this exterior wall what you'd see from the Nichols Park if you were down there with your family um but did want to make sure that you folks were aware that next week we'll be going before the Planning Commission for consideration of our special use permit special use permit is something that the town requires of certain kinds of construction including agrotainment PD and fire stations this facility needs one for the construction that we're currently going through it doesn't have one in place so we are going through this process just wanted to Sugar that we will be at the Planning Commission next week if you want to see this presentation again but really really short just focusing on what the plan is I'll probably be giving it again and then with that this is a flyover of the facility so you can have an appreciation for just how much was going to change two changes from what you see here what's going to be in the future those Square basins will be demolished in the last phase so they're shown here because they're not impacted in the construction this is an emergency recovery Basin it is not a secret fishing pond it's not normally full of water this is what happens when you let the Architects go loose but they they mean well so we flew past the solids handling we're going to come around to the treatment complex as you'll see here we're only intruding into Nichols Park a little bit we're using a fence and some structures to minimize our intrusion down that slope so you'll still be able to play sports and take photos although there will be some changes visually to that space this is the treatment complex if you've been out to the Santan plant it's going to look very very similar just a little bit bigger same treatment processes with the new Step being the granulated activated carbon which functions as a polishing step to help remove those Organics those Organics are basically the leaves and the material that are breaking down on the water that we have to remove and that they form that disinfection byproduct when they interact with our disinfectant chlorine one new change in terms of if you were driving past there will be a new driveway that goes out to Guadalupe Road to facilitate truck traffic in and out of that GAC space um the other thing is no the roads won't be fluffy this was our rendering so the asphalt won't be super squishy I'm sure councilmember koprowski you're like what are you guys building out there but it's just to sort of highlight existing and future roadways through here one thing to point out are North reservoirs um here on the North End of the site those are not changing in a substantial way the evaluation and condition assessment indicated that those were appropriate for reuse um and that's not actually an empty box that's a finished water pump station so not everything got rendered but we wanted to show the majority of the facility for your uh consideration here just to give you a sense of how much will be changing on site in Nichols Park if you want to build them there honey cricket yes so um if you got to the end of that 43-ish slides and you wanted to know kind of what are the most important messages it's actually probably in almost reverse order for me although Others May disagree I think the most important thing is we have built a team that understands front to back left to right that the work they do today is benefiting a community of over a quarter million folks most of whom will never have the opportunity to know them or shake their hand so they're doing work that matters they're doing work that's important it's something that whenever they put me on the spot and asked me to make a comment to the craft and Crews that are out there that I try to reinforce a quarter million people in the community are saying thank you and they're saying No thank you for the opportunity to build something meaningful for this community going forward that's been the most important thing for me time is of the essence with everything going on on the Colorado River and elsewhere we can't afford to step back on this effort because we need this facility available to provide safe resilient water for our community and that the existing facility was unable to meet those needs as it existed so we have a new challenge statement and we've shared this before the previous one the north plant has exhausted it was a it was a statement that shared where staff was kind of at what are we going to do this is a lot how do we carry this forward how are we going to bear this but instead now it's I think a much more positive Focus Where Do We Go From Here type of message how do we provide safe resilient water that surpasses local and National drinking water standards sustainably and when we say sustainably we mean dollars we mean the environment we mean the community all together into the future so before I go to the next slide and close out for questions I wasn't sure if our construction or project team wanted to add anything or correct me on anything if they're smart they won't correct me but I wasn't sure if you guys had anything you wanted to add from the back there good answer so so Ben Ben is has been dying ever since we said to go to five packages he says we needed a project theme song and so we rewrote the lyrics to Lou bega's incredible hit Mambo Number Five to be about a construction project I'm going to work with Dana and the digital team to get that okay we're gonna hold her to that um we're laughs indeed in case you weren't I didn't know I actually did teach youth art for a long time so I'm pretty good at that but with that um we are grateful for the opportunity to provide this update on the North plant project this is an incredible opportunity to do something meaningful for the community today and going forward I know that a lot of folks kind of get to come in here and and say things like this this is going to be terrible but we got a plan this is part of the plan and I'm grateful to be a part of that plan going forward and a tremendous appreciation for our operations teams who helped with the initial problem development who helped with the mopos we do today and are continuing to maintain that compliance while we get the easy job of building the cool project that's it I was waiting because I didn't know if you were just gonna take a breath and keep going we're ready all right here we go so land use 2.0 so it has this name because at a previous Retreat we had a discussion about some different land use topics and we wanted to have a we will um walk through today we'll start with infill and Redevelopment then we'll touch a little bit on mixed use staff has been working on a mixed use ordinance that we're going to introduce to the council at a study session on January 21st so we wanted to give you a little heads up as to what that looked like and how that kind of fits into some of the infill and Redevelopment projects um as part of an overall discussion on affordable housing in the valley you've probably seen some articles and discussions about Guest quarters and secondary dwelling units so it's just going to tough very briefly and very high level about how the town of Gilbert handles those and then just kind of walk through our process a lot of times people talk about the development process and it gets a little cloudy or a little confusing so I thought I'd just kind of walk through a little bit of how some of these go I've got some really good flow charts for design review board and then if if something needs a rezoning and a general plan Amendment so we'll have kind of a good opportunity to see how our our project go through the process so to start with um I figured we'd start with just two um definitions so that we started on the same page so infield development is the development of vacant or partially developed Parcels that fully abut develop properties and we're seeing a lot of this now and I've got a lot of examples you've probably seen in your handouts of where we're seeing more and more infill development and we're seeing a lot of infill development because quite frankly a lot of the green fields are gone we only have a few large tracks left a few areas that don't have much development surrounding them so we get into the infill development and as you've seen and as you know the infill development and Redevelopment comes with a lot of different challenges so we will talk through some of those as well and this is a definition that's directly out of our Land Development code Redevelopment on the other hand is any new construction on a site that has pre-existing uses it represents a process of land developing uses to revitalize the physical economic and social fabric of an urban space so what you're really doing is is redeveloping a site you're taking a site that that has maybe lost its useful life and you're starting over you're you're putting a new use a new building on it kind of starting from scratch in the hopes of some economic vitality and like I said the Redevelopment and of course as everybody knows probably the biggest and best example of Redevelopment in Gilbert is the Heritage District you can see in this picture here where we kind of started you know this is Zinburger this is the the rest of the the marketplace there so this is now that at the top so you can see how it's changed definitely over time and and it continues to do so I just thought these pictures were pretty pretty good to show how things have changed and obviously as part of the the Redevelopment there was land assemblage there was development that occurred so yeah there's a a lot of change that's happened in the in the area and as I mentioned um it completely changed not only the physical area but the economic and social fabric of that area so what was one time you know maybe some houses or some of those other things now a very vibrant economic driver in in Gilbert Redevelopment also doesn't just have to be commercial it can be residential or doesn't have to be just residential it can be commercialized it's a lot of different things so um we'll kind of bounce through some of these examples that we've seen in the last few years so this example is the Carson so this is on Gilbert Road it's just south of Gilbert Town Square that's uh this is the one that's just south of Sal's Pizza there across from town hall 2.8 Acres this zoning went from shopping center to multi-family medium it's eight two-story buildings uh 40 units and it comes in at about 14 dwelling units an acre um one of the challenges or interesting things about this is you can see in this picture it was an old home at one point in time so I honestly don't know if it was The Farmstead for the entire area or if it was just a home that was constructed that fronted onto Gilbert Road but you can see it was it was a house it was due for redevelopment there are single-family homes along the South which which give us a little bit of context in which to play you've got commercial on the west which I believe that's the bowling alley and then you've got Sal's and Phoenician and everybody there to the north so as we look at the development we have to kind of figure out how is this going to fit in there and again fit into that that context of the area this was an aerial it's an older aerial but you can see where it's under construction again what I kind of wanted to point out and you can see it on this is we have the single family structures to the South so we provided more of a buffer on the south so you've got the pool you've got the drive aisle you don't have necessarily the buildings right up against the other single-family homes that it's not so important on the west side or the North side because you've got commercial development so you kind of know what you're getting into if you moved into those developments examples of what the building elevations look like and then here's what it looks like today so this one's constructed I believe they're they're leasing right now but I thought this picture was pretty good as well because you could see some of the commercial to the north and you could see that the height is starting to match and you're sort of compatible with what's to the north it doesn't show the houses to the South but at least you can kind of see that it's compatible with what's to the north um the next one is the Wyatt apartment so this one is on Gilbert Road as well this is south of the public safety facility so these guys back right up to um the parking garage there that's on the south side of the public safety facility um 10 acres this one went from office to multi-family medium an office was kind of a tough play there because it's kind of mid-block there isn't really a lot of other office around it other than ours so a little bit difficult this went to multi-family medium again six buildings these were three stories um tall 216 units about 21 units per acre again you can kind of see where we started there was a house up front really nothing in the back we always knew that this would redevelop this property the South would redevelop at some point you can see the parking structure there to the North and then we've got single family to the East and really I think you can even see oh well you can see the old house there where um the the one we just talked about that was south of South so this is the aerial while it was under construction again you can see we've pushed everything away from the single family homes not so important against the easement and the the public facility to the North and then we knew this would redevelop so there's a little bit of buffer there to the South as well and I'm saying these kind of things so you look you can understand some of the contexts that we play in as we look at these Redevelopment requests as they come forward these were the building elevations in the site plan again you can see a lot of their um their landscape setback and buffer to the east was detention the rest of it was sort of parking lot and Landscaping and then this is what it looks like today so you can see at one point we went from this to a facility that now looks like this barely very nice very nice amenities nice pool outdoor seating areas I mean it again it definitely changes the fabric and the economics of that that piece of property uh Andrew Lucia Villas this is an interesting one this one has received mixed reviews I would say is a good way to a good way to put it one of the things I've always really enjoyed about the town of Gilbert is there's a lot of different choices in housing whether it be large lot or equestrian or smaller Lots or tracked homes we've got some three-story facilities whatever it always seems to be that there's a some type of product for anybody that wants to live in Gilbert or wants to move around in Gilbert so this is southwest corner of Val Vista and Ray 14 acres um even with 101 units it's only about seven units an acre um the thing with this one is it's a very tight development and I think that's where it's begun to get its mixed reviews two-story buildings pretty tight small Lots you can see what it looked like um previously but again there's single family to the South single family to the West Commercial to the north and to the east so there really wasn't an issue of of buffering obviously along the arterials but they created the big open space here with the there's a walking path tried to create a buffer here in order to separate these uses appease the neighbors concerns and and create some sort of transition then that would help with the development um units that's not for rent right I believe so yeah um here's what the building elevations look like when they came through a picture of the site plan again you can see the open space and retention open space and retention trying to provide that buffer uh and then I just grabbed a couple of pictures of the existing buildings off of their current website but it's a it's a different product for sure but you know again one that that we see as part of Trends in the in the marketplace um not all of these projects become very dense a lot of them try to start that way as staff we look at a lot of projects that come in and immediately um put up red flags and concerns and talk about support or no support for different reasons this is one of those that really tried to up the density to start with and we had to have some long discussions with them about surrounding land uses and and staff support so this is Lindsay and Galveston it's on the west side of the road 12 acres this one actually went from sf-43 to sf-35 so not a huge jump in zoning the 43 is 43 000 square foot Lots they went to 35 000 square foot Lots so a little bit of an increase in density but not a great deal and this came out at a little over one unit per day or one unit per acre that's the site you can see there's a couple houses that front Lindsay Road you've got larger lot along the South larger lot along the west and and the North can't remember off the top of my head if the surrounding land is all in the town or some of its County Island but it doesn't really matter we still have to look at the land uses that are there and and have these be compatible so this is what they came back with 35 000 square foot lots for the majority of it here's 46 000 38 37 in the middle so we try to have those lot sizes that were compatible with the ones to the South you know putting a development that we looked at that was south of Sal's the Wyatt you know where it's two stories you know 14 units an acre just would not be compatible would not fit in this location so we had a lot of conversations with the folks and this is finally what was uh brought through and approved uh I didn't don't have any house pictures for you because it's not under construction quite yet so um here's another one that's interesting this is at the southeast corner of Greenfield and Superstition drive again kind of on those larger areas or one of those larger lot developments it wasn't necessarily they didn't try to jam too much density in there and we really wouldn't support it giving some of the surrounding land uses uh went from sf-43 to sf15 and this is only about a unit and a half per acre um this is the Christian school now I forgot the name of it I had it Gilbert Christian School um they uh to the north is a Lennar project this was another Reed Porter project and this is the site we were talking about here that's why it's called the the orchard so I want to give you a little bit context too along the north side there where the the orchard ends that Superstition drive and I want to say that because the next picture shows the development this is superstition drive so we've flipped everything I just want you to be able to to see the context but again knowing that you've got kind of a transition happening between some smaller Lots in a school into some larger lots and then maybe even some larger lots to the to the east of that this is one of those developments that that took a little bit of time to to work through to get that transition there was opposition from the neighbors to the east but I think everything worked through pretty well and this was the project that was ultimately approved other infill development examples that we've seen and that we've had discussions on obviously that Kohl's shopping center um at Cooper and Baseline they came in and that was the southwest corner of Cooper and Baseline there was an existing shopping center there they came through and removed a portion of the residential and ended up constructing multi-family on it I believe in that one staff was against the proposal um but it's moved forward I believe it's under construction now we've had several discussions about the southeast corner of Gilbert and Guadalupe there's a new Starbucks in that location we've had some other projects being discussed in front of the Big Lots there we've where some folks have talked about buildings with some significant height which might be okay it's going to depend we'd have to look at it there's not a lot of height in that area so depending upon the height we'd we'd really need to take a look at it the Northwest Corridor is another great example of some infill and Redevelopment we've seen there are empty lots I'm still in that area so we're seeing some new development of some smaller industrial buildings in that area but we've also seen some Redevelopment of some sites too Aldi's is coming to council shortly this is on Arizona Avenue they're going to be tearing down the old Auto use that was there and there's gonna there's a rezoning there to to build the grocery store and some multi-family around that fries at Val Vista and Baseline is a very interesting one we've had a lot of conversations on over the years but nothing's moved forward so just south of that fries up against the lake there's a lot of empty dirt that has never developed and nobody's ever come forward with it it's a difficult piece because there's no it's Zone commercial there's no Frontage onto any roads it's very hard to see so so I wouldn't be surprised if that one wasn't a ripe piece where somebody would come in and want to put some multi-family up against the water with abuse but we haven't seen anybody come forward with anything like that and then once that was The Craze where all the CVS and Walgreens on every single corner and those are starting to fade and go away so we've seen these turn into the four-wheel drive store at uh Williams Field and Gilbert there's a church I believe that one is at Ray and Lindsay so there's been a couple different ones that have turned out oh and there's another one that turned into a real estate agent C at yeah there you go so we're we're seeing some interesting uses come back out of those um those sites as well um in an attempt to kind of take get a snapshot of what we could be looking at and I'm sure everybody's going to look at this and say hey wait a minute you're missing this site or that side but I asked Our IT team the gis guys to just quickly pull anything that's between 5 and 20 acres that could have a potential free development so they they didn't do any kind of analysis on the land they just said okay these these Parcels are between 5 and 20 acres and you know here they are so you'll notice for example in the Northwest Corridor a lot of those are either you're not seeing a lot lit up well some of the most of those are less than the five acres so they're not showing up is on here but you can see there's still quite a bit of areas that we could potentially see Redevelopment or or development on and these will be these won't be the easiest to Pieces because a lot of them are surrounded by other development and and we'll really have to look at the character of the area and what's going on around it in order to to try to fit those developments in because really we don't want you know underutilized dirt anywhere in the town we'd like to we'd like to develop it out as best as we possibly can so why are some of these vacant and some aren't um I took a stab at this and you'll probably think of some other reasons as well but a lot of times we've seen where you know somebody owned 50 acres 100 acres 20 acres whatever they want to keep the Farms dead but Shea Homes is ready to develop so they sell them off 15 Acres they keep five acres they build the subdivision around it and then you end up with a a piece and as soon as the uh you know the the parents are done living in that house and that's time for redevelopment what are you going to do how are you going to infill that in a lot of instances we can plan for those subdivisions around it so there's connections and then you ultimately kind of fit it back in there but that that always isn't the case in some of the older developments so those are those are difficult access is always a big thing too I'm coming back in are these projects Parcels is going to only have right in right out um can they even get two points of access can they meet the fire safety requirements that we have for you know for our First Responders um difficult surroundings you know what's around it is there are there railroad tracks is it um pushed up against an industrial area and these guys want to go um residential different things like that strain shaped lots and we've got a lot of triangles and just odd you know um you'll get ones that are you know 100 feet wide and a thousand feet deep and you know I guess you put a spaghetti Farm on it or something but I mean it's a very odd shaped piece of ground so spaghetti Farm very long very long laughs [Laughter] um a lot of times the price of land also will will keep something from developing we've seen that a number of times if if the projects won't pencil the project the property will just set vacant for a while and then as we've seen recently to the willingness of an owner to sell if they don't want to sell and they don't want to move on the price will uh or the project well the property will just sit there in an undeveloped state for a while so what are some of the concerns I have touched on some of them as we were talking what are the concerns that staff looks at when when projects come forward for an infill or Redevelopment that's you know not a a vacant site in the middle of nowhere where we don't have to worry about too many things one is density that's always important I hit on some of those with the larger lot subdivisions that you've seen and even with the ones south of Sal's I mean that that transition between the single family and the commercial was pretty important so we we always look at the density and how it's going to fit into that area setbacks you know we've had a lot of discussions about when this kind of goes along with the height too maybe we want to set back one or two story structures further from single-family homes that are one story and we have to work closely with a developer on a lot of those but um you know can we can we push those can we get those setbacks can we do an increase setback where we've got additional Landscaping in the green space and maybe some of the amenities so that um uh those setbacks provide that buffer again then to the the adjacent properties traffic isn't always an issue and really it doesn't matter if it's a brand new project or infill or Redevelopment it's always an issue and it there's always a perception wrapped around it but it's something we need to take a very close look at because what is it going to do to some of those those locations the why it was a good example trying to line up those driveways with what was across the street becomes a little difficult because not only do you have the entrance to the back of the public safety facility there but you've also got the entrance to the shopping center to the north so you've got a kind of play this game where you're lining things up and that all it's very difficult sometimes when it comes to some Redevelopment Parcels architecture we always look at the character of the area and how is this going to fit we want to make sure that there's some type of compatibility between some things in order to make it look like it's not an afterthought or something new but again kind of matching that fabric of the community I'm character of the area same way if we're in Morrison ranch or Gateway or the Heritage District we really need to pay attention to what's around there and ensure that we're following the goals and the policies and the the plans that we've set out in the past and then the Land Development code Our Land Development code is really set up for new development as we start to get into more Redevelopment and things like that we've really had to take a look at it and figure out the best way to do some things there isn't a lot of flexibility in some of it and if it says a 40-foot setback it's a 40-foot setback and how does that work on some of these projects and it may or may not and so that can really hamper whether or not a project can go forward and then if there's a deviation requested staff has to determine the you know the desirability of that setback and is there a good story to be told as to why that should change what is the what is the benefit to making that change um I'll pause there just for a minute to see if there's any questions concerns or discussions on infill or Redevelopment before I jump into a real high overview of mixed use and moving on are we good okay I'm just going to give you a real high level overview of the mixed use ordinance as I mentioned this will be coming to council a study session on January 21st it's been to the chamber thank you Sarah they loved it I thought it was great greatest presentation ever it's been to the Planning Commission the Planning Commission it felt like it um it's uh the Planning Commission has seen it they recommended approval of moving it Forward right now we've got it out to Amanda helped us send it out to some folks at the Uli they've got a kind of a Redevelopment group so we've got some developers in that area looking at it nationwide's taking a look at it some of the other zoning attorneys in the area have looked at it so we've got several folks that have given us feedback on it so I is Urban Land Institute so yeah um so this would be the proposed definition that we would put in there and you can see we start putting things together so you know integrates two or more distinctive uses um cohesive pedestrian-oriented environment again we're trying to get back to something that that actually is more of that mixed use if you'll remember back a while ago we had the regional commercial zoning district and in Regional commercial you can do Loft above and that was sort of our mixed-use zoning area well you could also do stand-alone apartments with a use permit but you had to show that these Standalone apartments and Regional commercials somehow met this mixed-use type thing and there was a lot of confusion a lot of projects that came through that were approved through that use permit we seem to always be battling with developers about it so eventually we just pulled the use permit in the multi-family out of regional commercial not to handle that okay so several years go by and we start to see projects where now we really want to use this mixed-use tool but we really don't have anything and I'll show you an example here in a minute but this is one of the things where you know we probably should have done this a couple years ago but now that there's an impetus to do it we're moving it Forward here's some of the examples that we were talking about around town obviously epicenter at agritopia we even kind of consider Gilbert Town Square across you know west of Gilbert Town Hall a mixed-use development and and there's there's a multi-family back there there's some office there's a lot of retail so I mean it's it's horizontal yes it's not the true you know planning vertical mixed use but um we're trying to kind of get to some of that same way with Verdi aquili station the medical office is getting ready to break break ground most of the commercial isn't right now there's multi-family to this house but it's one development that kind of came together and then obviously Heritage North too you've got the you've got the office you've got the retail you've got the restaurants you've got the hotel um uh just another picture of epicenter this is the one I was talking about that's creating some some difficulties for for staff this is directly south of epicenter so it's at the southwest corner of Higley and Ray so they've proposed a mixed use development that's somewhat similar to epicenter what you see in kind of the outlined in red would be a commercial portion the yellow would be more of the multi-family and let me get to this because this is interesting so it's 15 acres and the request to rezone is to three acres of General commercial eight Acres of multi-family and 2.9 Acres of shopping center so instead of us having a mixed-use zoning District where this would all fit under one zoning District it's nice and clean we're now carving that piece of property up into three different areas in three different zoning districts and it also makes it very interesting because Chris and his people in legal don't like us to draw zoning lines through buildings which I completely understand so we're trying to kind of put all of this stuff together so this is is the one that you'll see soon I'm using it as an example as December 13th council meeting yes so uh and by the way this is also one of those projects that came in completely different than what it looks like now it used to be an obviously last year and I still know s she probably drop a lot of products yeah yeah all along Elliott road yeah it was kind of stripped out yeah um as we bring forward the multi I'm sorry the mixed use there's gonna you'll see three different districts there's a small a large and a regional and it's meant to um meant to handle different SCI different size of properties so is it the ribeylon site is it a smaller 30 Acre Site or is it um some piece that that maybe this piece south of uh Sal's where we could have had a coffee shop on the first floor and maybe some retail above it um we also have an amended use table so we've looked at what can be allowed in these different land use districts and we're putting those into the new use tables um some of this will require some amendments to the other Land Development code sections whether it be setbacks or landscaping or parking but you'll see those as they come forward and then we'll also have design guidelines that can be used by everybody to really kind of help understand what this is and what this means and then they they can make a determination whether or not they'd like to apply for mixed use or not we are not going to go in and Zone anything mixed use right off the bat this is going to be a tool that the developers or applicants or property owners could come forward and ask for rezoning like they can come forward now and ask for general office they'd be able to come forward and ask for mixed use but the reason I wanted to show you this is there's a there's a lot going on with the mixed-use district we've we've really done a lot of research and a lot of a lot of hard work to determine how this will play out and we're getting that feedback from those groups I mentioned which will which will help us make sure that this is a tool that can and can be used and I fully understand and expect that we'll go through a time or two and there'll be a tweak here there that we'll have to come back with but um at least I think we're putting the right foot forward this is the small these are these are just some examples but I was talking about you know less than 10 acres it corresponds to these different General plan Amendment or general plan categories the medium is a little bit larger than maybe a little more density again you can see the different districts and you can kind of start to see too the scale that we're talking about so much smaller type developments then we Step Up This Is The Gilmore this is the one at the Northeast corn northwest corner of um Val Vista and Jermaine Gilmore yeah um and then oh and I think epicenter would actually fall in that as well and then this is more of the riviland type of development where it's it's a larger piece but they they still want to have some flexibility and some mixed use that they can they can work with so um I'll remind me when we did the Land Development code update we did not do the land use chapter correct we didn't do the parking chapter parking the parking the parking's under review right now um it's a chapter we didn't do yeah I think it was the parking because um not too long ago we've gone through and revamped our land use charts so we had we had a consultant look at that maybe I don't know eight ten years ago but when we did the refresh we put it in a better format so people could understand it so Kyle could you uh go back to small yeah and help me visualize where that would land today in Gilbert because it's a pretty small like um so I'll just pick an example let's do the North West corner of Gilbert and Elliott so less than 10 acres we want multi-family above retail perfect for mixed use so but you wouldn't see that as a project I'll just say south of the of our police Department um particular project I wouldn't see that no that I don't know that we would want to put retail south of there I don't know that that would fit real well yeah I guess I guess it might not be in a corner it's going to depend upon where it's located and if retail's even viable yeah but it's a tool that can be used if they want to one of the things we struggled with we had a brand new apartment complex go in on SanTan Village Parkway it's between San Tan Village Parkway in Greenfield there it's that that middle piece um they wanted to oh I'm sorry that's not the right piece it's the it's the uh apartment complex that's going in by Mountainside Fitness just to the north they wanted to do a coffee shop and a little bit of retail we don't have a tool for them to put a coffee shop out for people driving by to come in it's either multi-family or it's commercial we don't have that mixture right now so this would allow instructions okay thank you appreciate that again very high level on that kind of a picture of the design guidelines we really want to try to make this user friendly as we go forward this is just the timeline this dot star should be over here um but we plan on bringing it to the study session in uh January I think this is a January 21st meeting and then we can establish a time to bring it back for approval uh there's two meetings in February so if we can't hit February we could hit early March for sure all right uh accessory structures well guest quarters and secondary dwellings again this is very high level I just wanted to point out on what the town currently allows as far as these items um guest quarters so guest quarters are meant for temporary housing of non-paying guests so this is the mother-in-law's quarter this is your brother-in-law is coming in town uh you got a buddy coming in something like that it's it's just meant to have like a casita or something out there for for somebody to to stay in it's basically allowed in all of the different zoning districts and AUP is required and AUP is an administrative use permit so there is a staff review that goes through this we want to make sure that it's compatible with the surrounding areas that it doesn't encroach on anything we want to make sure that it that it's okay and would issue that AUP there's one per lot is allowed we don't want to turn it into an apartment complex we want to allow somebody to have the ability to have a spot for somebody to stay not 30 people to stay it's within the building envelope uh within the building envelope so it meets all of the setback requirements can be attached to the main structure or detached from the main structure this is kind of important we these two are important same Utility Services primary and no kitchens and again that's meant to be um not so that it turns into a rental somehow we don't want you know two different structures on the same lot and one is being rented out because now we've turned this single family loted subdivision into two single-family homes on each lot I mean now it now becomes something completely different to get away from that though so this would be your guest quarters um if it's a secondary dwelling unit um same type of thing same zoning districts AUP one per lot within the building envelope unless it's over a detached garage so sometimes detached garages can sit outside of the the building envelope depending upon where they're where they're allowed attached or detached same utility services this is where now we would allow the full kitchen and this is one that actually could be rented so it is a little bit different but it still goes through that administrative use permit process we always look at the architecture to make sure it doesn't it doesn't look different than the neighborhood that it fits within the neighborhood and then because it's basically a separate structure a separate dwelling unit parking is required so there is a a requirement for additional parking to be placed so as as you hear all of these discussions about um affordable housing and what are different places doing and the the you know the house committees are meeting it's um just want you to know that we are we do have things in place and we have had things in place for quite a while um to allow some more flexibility in our in our zoning to allow for some of these guest quarters and secondary dwelling units um I believe Gilbert was one of the first two that partnered with Lennar and we did the next gen homes um it was one house but they had two kitchens in it and at first everybody was freaked out because oh no this is a duplex well we worked with them so that there was a free flow between them so if you had parents that wanted to live in the you know area over here but you still needed to take care of them but they wanted to cook and do their own thing they could but there was still a free flow so it wasn't like a duplex type thing whereas two separate families you you either that you really liked whoever you were living with um but there was then you could have those two two different kids and work that way all right I know I'm running long Kyle yeah can they connect a home occupation out of one of those or both of them they can do home occupations Adam yeah sure our home occupation um requirements are are very flexible I mean we we've done quite a bit to ensure that people can do a lot out of their homes as long as they're not negatively negatively impacting the neighborhood you know we don't want uh uh you know we went on employees showing up we don't want signs on the houses we don't want things like that but otherwise we're pretty pretty flexible in working through beaumonts yeah I'm concerned with it is can we relax to a point of uh in-law quarters you know are you trying to prosec process it all the way through to a secondary dwelling unit when you could have the kidlock where she could have your elderly parents looking back but still want to be able to cook their meal but you wanna there or whatever you're son you want to put them out there he's finished College he's trying to get on his own but not but not be in the house and not have to have the full secondary unit well um not necessarily even as a rental I mean because that would prevent in a sense yeah well I mean a kitchen is allowed it's not required so you could absolutely have somebody on the guest quarter the guest quarters can't right but if you were to use that as for elderly parents you can't afford the five grand a month thrown into the build age home you want that they still want to cook right right why should that be an issue for anyone I'm just curious I don't think it's a good question it's more so that we kind of understand what's happening and as we go through the use permit is there I think there's probably a good reason to look and relaxing now but then there may be we've we've had some difficulties with some of our code Provisions around this and are looking into some of the some of the issues for sure if you're sharing uh utilities yeah it's not like you're renting a bunch of people at a party in 24 hours a day right okay we're gonna we're gonna see a a gap right now the uh Arab assisted living is 4 400 a month it's going to be 6 000 the next seven years I believe you're going to see a gap of people that can't afford that six thousand but are going to want going to want to have that privacy to have the kitchen or have a caregiver make the meals for them in that kitchen right yeah and I think we're set up to allow that um just through our processes and as I mentioned we were I think we were one of the first ones that that worked through with Lennar some of those next-gen homes in order to because that was during the recession when people you know were losing homes and needing to move in with parents and that became a big thing so right yeah any thought in looking at um when someone wants to be a container for this or like a tiny home how are like how's that been considered in the past um typically excuse me typically it's been handled through our the building code side of things um in Gilbert if you're going to have a structure it has to be on a foundation so like a tiny home a lot of those are not on foundations or on trailers so that wouldn't be something necessarily that we would support or allow shipping containers um I don't know that we've seen anybody wanting to do an accessory structure or living quarters on their home we have had a couple folks come in where they want to build like Apartments out of shipping containers we haven't seen them come back but um so it's something that that we can look at and explore but it hasn't been anything um we haven't seen much of that and we haven't seen any tiny homes or anything like that come in as just primary dwellings on sites and I think a lot of that has to do with price of land and and what you're going to put on it so I've seen the question on social media I've seen people ask if anybody knows where they bring their tiny home to park it or do you have a large lot and you'd allow me to bring my tiny home and have it on your lot and people in Gilbert are like no can't do it can't do it so right it is it is it is talked about I know I'm running way over so I'll try to move through the I'm trying to move through the hardest part quickly how's that um our process so our process is always been and I think some of you have seen this before to take something that comes into the town that looks like this and we want to turn it into something that looks like this without making our proper or our applicants go through something that looks like this that has never been our our motive we've never wanted to do that um ever since I've been here we've tried to streamline as many things as we possibly can and that's another reason why we're very upfront with people because we don't want them going through the process if if there's not going to be support for it um this is a very simple kind of overview of the process this one is does the land had the appropriate General plan designation and Zoning if your property is zoned and has the general plan for it and you're ready to move forward with your salad and go okay you're going to design review you'll come in to staff you'll do your you'll make your formal smooth and do your staff review you go to Planning Commission and the Planning Commission approves it doesn't take Council action because theoretically Council has already seen this through the rezoning and general plan whenever that would have happened so Council would have been already been aware that's going to be a commercial development okay it doesn't have the correct zoning or general plan okay we start from the very very beginning we ask the applicants to go do a neighborhood meeting okay get your letters out to everybody within the required radius and all of the HOAs within the required radius and hold a neighborhood meeting we want them to hold the neighborhood meeting and explain to the neighbors what they plan on doing before they even come back to us with a pre-application a lot of times that takes care of a lot of the red flag issues and everything else the other side of that is we don't want them to come to us and they'll say you know this looks pretty good then they go to the neighbors and they have the neighborhood meeting they say well wait a minute staff has already supported this this is already okay by the town well now so we have the neighborhood meeting first then it comes in for the pre-application meeting and the formal review staff reviews it we have conversations back and forth with the applicant on any questions or concerns then we bring it to the Planning Commission and the Town Council for public hearings once that part is done then they basically fall back into that design review where the staff reviews it and then there's the Planning Commission approval there are many times where folks will take both of these and run them together they can run them concurrently a lot of times in the past we've seen projects where you have to go through your general plan and your rezoning and then your design review and then you have to apply for your building permit and get your grading permit and now you can do this well what we've tried to do is stack those more so you take that long line of time and compress it so that folks can get through the process much quicker it's a little bit of a burden to do that on the applicant because they have to expend dollars up front to do those plans because we need pretty detailed plans in order to issue permits but at least we've given them the option to do that and as you know through their building process we've created a lot of new building permit processes where folks can kind of like a menu they can choose what they want to do and then approach the town that way this is a little bit simpler just to straight down the line and by the way these are all on in our applications so when folks go online to our applications they know the process up front and and know exactly where we're going but then you can also see too where there's a lot of public notification neighborhood meetings are required all of that information so you can see kind of how it moves through that process same thing with the design review process again a lot of neighborhood Outreach as well um this is very important for us and we've been pushing this for years and years and years this is the what's developing nearby map that's on our website we have everything from neighborhood meetings because even when there's a neighborhood meeting there's a yellow sign that goes up and the letters go up um you know what's under review with planning um planning decisions that have been made and then a lot of times people don't know anything's happening until they see construction well now they can go on and see the building permit review and the construction too so if you see sticks going up you can click on that you can go to that intersection oh this is what it's going to look like here's the site plan here's the staff report here are the building elevations so anytime we get in front of anybody we try to push this message out so that um uh and and Dana's team has been fantastic over the years helping us become continue to push this out and Jen to get this out to the residents so that everybody knows um what's happening so we try to be as transparent as we possibly can I know Kathy has even talked about this at the power inch powwows to try to get the information out there so um okay yeah I'll talk to the RIT team and see what what else we can add to that yes um it was a general discussion council subcommittee meeting about ways we can engage in various forms of it tonight one of the things QR codes on signage and if we have a QR code on this town just exactly the one thing I learned from experience in the past is that to get the homeowners really involved in this process you have to take them by the hand and we lead them into the process and through the process I tried years ago to get HOAs or neighborhood representatives to come to our pref so they'd hear what was discussed at the pre-app and understand that it's first of all the the process is open and secondly that it's more um complicated than they really understand hearing your your presentation is there a way I don't know if it's even possible to mandate the developer when they meet with those Neighbors in the mandated neighborhood meeting can they can we mandate that they have Representatives accompany them to preact to hear that presentation yep to have um HOA from the neighborhood whatever I don't know if we can mandate it because I don't know that I can force somebody to come to a meeting but I mean we can encourage it for sure but we're forcing them to have the neighborhood meeting well we are because they're entering our process but now we would be requiring like a neighbor to come to our meeting I can think that through a little bit when we do have neighborhood meetings um staff always is there so we've got staff basically every single night of the week going to Neighborhood meetings so it's a little bit different but we're there we see what's going on we require them to give us minutes and then come to the pre-app so we're kind of watching it from beginning to end we just here at the public meetings that everything's determined before it gets us it's already determined the town wants this and so we're going to approve it well I want them to understand in a pre-app meeting there's a lot that's process before it gets to us and a lot that is discussed a lot that is required right you know it's important Scott's point we require a pre-op meeting much to most developers Chagrin most too much zoning attorneys Chagrin they don't like the pre-op meeting but we still have that on our in as part of our process a lot of cities and towns don't do that it's an extra step for them yeah there's been times too in Our Land Development code the planning manager has the authority to require additional neighborhood meetings and we've done that several times if somebody's held one in March and they're coming through in October nope you please go have another neighborhood meeting this is too far so too long yeah I assume that developers asking the HOA representatives are 10 correct they're asking what I'm sorry HOA Representatives we send them letters what they're they're a required part of the notification so we've we've got a list in the Maricopa County Associated is it and I want to say at the assessor's office has a list too so if you you can go on and you can go on and create a circle and whatever comes back it's got all the lists of every all the HOAs all the property owners so that's how we get that information it's saying 90 of the time offers that something's going on and especially their residents and I don't think I can think I can count on one hand how many times over the years of Planning Commission I had somebody from an HOA come to a Planning Commission meeting to talk about a project very very seldom do we have HOAs get involved I think it's more you know because management companies have so many neighborhoods that they're you know controlling that they don't necessarily even always pay attention that's one of the areas I think we'll talk about when we get that presentation from our Communications subcommittee is how do we reach out to HOAs and get them involved make sure we have the right information that type of thing so hopefully we'll be addressing some of that and it'll come from now what they want when do they want to be involved and all of that so I think it'll be really good feedback um Kyle this but I think it maybe is some Morrison Ranch project but um this time we were able to get a timeline of when the meetings were and so when there is a lot of neighborhood um involvement for us to have that as council members so that we could respond quickly to them um good information great glad to hear it yeah and or the problems or the the things you guys hear you know I I haven't been notified and I didn't know this was happening you know that does occur but if you look at Planning Commission agendas there's 20 to 30 items on there every single time and if one or two of them gets it every six months I I think we're doing a pretty good job I mean there's probably still ways to improve and different ways to reach out to people but I think we're doing a pretty good job of getting them I'm a half hour over you sorry