Study Session - 3/7/2023 4:30:00 PM

good evening everyone welcome to the
Gilbert Town Council study session for
March 7th 2023. I'll call this meeting
to order we have one item on our agenda
this evening a presentation and
discussion by Terry Goddard board
president for central Arizona Water
Conservation District and with central
Arizona project Welcome to our council
meeting Terry we appreciate you being
here if you could step up to the podium
please
just push the button any button
there there you go thank you thank you
mayor Peterson members of the council
it's a great pleasure to be here and and
talk to you a little bit about water and
I'm somewhat relieved that my GPS said
that by coming over the 60 I would avoid
the floods
um so we're we've got water in the
in the extremes both the shortage and
the and the long age
I want to be sure and recognize April
Pinger tornquist who is one of our
elected board members on the cap board
she's from Gilbert so you're well
represented among the 15 board members
that are elected to the cap board and
and I'm if she feels like it I mean
she's here to correct me when I make
mistakes and and probably add a little
something from the Gilbert point of view
but if I can figure out how to okay I
wanted to start with kudos
um and maybe I could just sort of cut to
the end and talk about the crisis on the
Colorado I've I've got a lot of slides
and information about how we got Where
We Are
which may be old hat to all of you I I
apologize if that's the case and I will
move fairly quickly through the
historical backlog so that we get to the
current situation which is I think what
you're probably most interested in and
which is truly difficult and I think I
could say perilous because uh what we're
facing in the Colorado River is an
extraordinary reduction in the amount of
water available to the users so we're
we're working toward that but first I
want to uh complement the city council
on what you've done already I mean
you've done us the stage one drought
that's appropriate and I think one of
the first to do it your shortage
management is extraordinary
um and your staff is among the very best
in the state so congratulations for that
and and apologies too because some of
what I'm going to say
um you've already done and Gilbert has
really been out in front and I
particularly
uh
particular Envy I guess I would say for
Europe riparian preserve I I called
board member thornquist a while ago well
it was about two years ago actually we
had a long discussion and she was on the
banks of the water there at The riparian
Preserve watching
which kind of birds pelicans pelicans
pelicans in Gilbert congratulations
um but what you've done is is truly
remarkable I'm going to go over some
facts and figures a little bit about the
Basin again I I will do this
lickety-split because I think we need to
get to the shortage questions very
quickly
so you know what the cap is 336 miles of
Aqueduct from Parker and the Colorado
River to south of Tucson it's an amazing
engineering feat it was many thought it
was never possible to move water almost
3 000 feet uphill uh that we're we're
336 miles we've got 10 siphons four
tunnels it's an amazing piece of work
but what I like to think of it as is as
a river in Reverse most rivers flow
downhill this one flows uphill but I'll
have more to say about that soon because
I think it's one of our hidden strengths
here in central Arizona is that we do
have this river which together with Salt
River Project basically reaches into all
the corners of Maricopa County and also
Pinal and Pima
our service area is the center Three
Counties in the state it's not the State
of Arizona but we do have 80 percent of
the population and 80 percent of the
economy Serve by Cap Colorado River
water
your contracts and I've got them all
listed here uh what you've done in
Gilbert is really a terrific piece of
investment in water Futures you've
Diversified the
the the total picture you have
approximately one-third from the cap
one-third from Salt River one-third from
other sources including recharge
reclaimed water
and I wish everybody was in as good
shape as as you've been able to prepare
for
our governance as I mentioned quickly is
we have 15 elected members four from
Pima one from Pinal and ten from
Maricopa and we do on occasion we have
the option of doing
a a weighted vote we haven't done that
since I've been president and I hope we
never do because most of our decisions
are unanimous
okay getting into the com the river
itself uh you know a few miles from here
but a very important part of our total
water supply back in 1922 101 years ago
seven men
got to end they're all in this picture I
got together and with under the
chairmanship of Herbert Hoover who at
that time was the Secretary of Commerce
uh soon to be president of the United
States uh came to an agreement and it
wasn't easy it involved basically
to use a western term hog tying the
state of California
in order to because everybody was
worried that if we didn't get a compact
on the river that the growth in
population in California was so rapid
that under the law of Prior
Appropriations they would end up taking
all the supply of the Colorado River so
the folks from the other states wanted
to get together early
and make sure that the river was divided
in a way that did not recognize the law
of Prior appropriation that actually had
another formula what we now call the law
of the river for dividing the water in
the Colorado and they came to a rough
agreement which divided the uh the the
seven Basin States into two separate
basins the upper and lower really
creative nomenclature here but the idea
behind it was that 7.5 million acre feet
would be allocated to the upper Basin
and they didn't make their allocations
right away and the 7.5 would go to the
three states in the lower Basin where
Arizona is located along with Nevada and
California
California got the Lion's Share of that
4.4 million we got 2.8 Nevada got
because basically nobody was in Nevada
in 1922 they got 300 000 acre feet
and they've been
well I won't say what they've been doing
ever since
um but that was an important step
forward obviously it was done without
Federal interference the folks around
the table in Santa Fe when they did the
compact were absolutely determined that
the state the states in the west would
make their own decisions now there are a
few problems and you'll notice the
bottom line on this slide says that
Arizona did not ratify this compact
until 1944.
um there was a little back talk in
Arizona there were there were two really
important issues one was and I'll turn
off my phone
my apologies uh one was that it was none
clear
whether the Waters of the Gila River the
salt and the Verde were continued part
of the Arizona allotment or if they were
separate from it that's a million acre
feet so it was a big deal and there was
a lot of concern that if we ratified the
compact without knowing the answer to
that question that we were making
potentially a huge hit to Arizona's
water future the other one was that most
of the population even then was in the
center of the state not along the
Colorado River and so we worried that we
would not be able to use the full
allocation and that's where the the
dreams about the central Arizona project
first started was how do you get the
water up from the river to Central
Arizona so it can be used where the
population is
there was another little problem but
they didn't know it in 1922 and that was
the years that they used to base the 7.5
million acre feet for each Basin were
very wet years the time they didn't know
it because the hydrology was in its in
infancy but now we know that those are
some of the most abundant years for
water in the Colorado
not just in history but going back into
the geological record
so a little mistake there not not
through anybody's bad action but they
just took an allocation of the river
which was based on incredibly optimistic
hydrology well I mentioned that we had
to get the water into central Arizona
and that was a passion for our
Congressional Delegation and finally in
1968 they came together and the Basin
project Act was approved it has a little
hitch up and Hiccup in it and we'll talk
a little more about that because in
order to get past California which at
that time Arizona had I think three
congressmen California had 46. so there
was a little bit of a disproportionate
in in terms of our representation
and the result being that we had to
agree Arizona had to agree
uh as getting right at the Finish Line
in order to get California's support or
at least assure their non-opposition we
had to say we would be last in priority
on the river in other words California
could get their whole allocated amount
4.4 million acre feet
and it would come out of the central
Arizona Project Share now those are
words that we didn't think would back in
1968 it didn't seem to be that ominous
because what followed was the
construction of the cap delivery of
water to Central Arizona in 1985 and
then I guess in sort of biblical terms
we had some very fat years we were able
to get the full allocation 1.6 million
acre feet came through the canal
actually 1.5 we got 1.6 because the
canal has a little extra room in it
until last year until 19 until 2022 so
those years from 85 to 2022
were full production and Gilbert and
other cities used that time
taking their allocation if they didn't
use it they put it underground they
stored it those were the good years
but remember as we go through this
discussion that we have the junior
priority here's the Basin the seven
states that I talked about before and
the priorities down in the lower left
and one of the things that came out of
what we call the law of the river the
series of congressional actions and
ultimately a very important Supreme
Court case which finally resolved
whether Arizona got the salt and the
Verde as part of the compact or separate
from it and they decided in our favor
it's basically a highly regulated water
system now and there's not many drops in
the Colorado system that aren't watched
carefully from the time the snow falls
until it gets to the gulf in Mexico when
it does get that far
but the two major assets that we have
are the two big lakes like made in Lake
Powell they operate pretty much together
they're separated by the Grand Canyon so
there's kind of a interesting Waterway
there but they
they are incredible resources
they have the capacity to hold 50
million acre feet between the two of
them
and the sad part is and you see it right
here they're combined system right now
as of February 21st and relatively
recent is 18.99 million acre feet and 5
million of that is what we call Deadpool
so you can't pull it out of the Lakes
so that means there's about 12 million
acre feet
that we can actually continue to use now
we're not going to get that far down
because there's another Dynamic going on
in these two Lakes they're Hydro
producers they produce large amounts of
hydroelectricity and when the lake gets
to a certain level
the department of Materia is very
worried that something
will happen that could in fact damage
the infrastructure of the hydropower
it's a
it's a phenomenon April could probably
explain it much better than I can she's
an engineer but basically when a turbine
is partly in the air partly in the water
it cavitates
and it can in fact blow the turbines
apart if if it allowed to go on so
there's a question and we're very close
to that moment in The Lakes uh level
that
uh that this they're they're slowing
down the releases because they can't
allow it to get below the top of the
turbines
so these numbers are I think you can see
very quickly where we are we call this
the bucket chart we get it every month
at the cap and it's been a very
depressing story ever since 2000 in 2000
the Lakes were full
50 million acre feet today the lakes are
about one quarter of their capacity and
that includes the whole system going up
you can see up into Colorado you've got
Flaming Gorge the other big one but
you've got a number of others uh
fontanelle Navajo Blue Mesa moral Point
smaller Lakes don't have anywhere near
the capacity and just as a quick aside
the reason we've had such Dependable
Service Such Dependable water resources
from the Colorado since 1985 is because
of these Lakes I mean in Good Times They
store it and in bad times they've got it
to reserve and so our our customers from
cap have gotten regular deliveries on
the day they order the water for the
past 30 plus years
okay some trouble arose starting in the
year 2000 when I said the Lakes were
full well in the next four years they
went down half of that capacity there
was an incredible reduction and we ended
up first getting something called the
2007 guidelines I'll get to that later
but it was basically a way to share the
shortage
so that we weren't going to fight about
it we negotiated those guidelines and
then something that you probably
remember called the DCP the drought
contingency plan was enacted by the
Arizona legislature first by the
stakeholders the cities and the
excuse me the tribes the mines and the
farmers all got together and they came
up with a way that we could handle the
lower Basin in times of shortage and
what you see right here in these are
innocent looking circles
um
is the result of the drought contingency
plan and when it hits a certain level in
Lake Mead and that level was uh right
here 1070. that's a tier one that means
at that moment 512 000 acre feet are
taken off of the Cap Supply
that used to be our water almost all of
it went to Agriculture and many years
ago there was a deal made with Pinal
County our Agriculture and other Farmers
that cap would subsidize their use for
the next 25 years if they would give up
their rights to that water and that's
essentially what happened when the tier
one shortage was imposed but you got a
few other circles there they get bigger
and bigger you've got the the tier two
you've got the tier 2B which is
approximately where we are right now and
tier three which is as far as it went
that's 720 and you figure the cap can
take
under under the original allocation 1.5
million acre feet so at 720 reduction
we're at about half capacity
and that's probably going to happen next
year
in 22 we had a tier one that was the 512
hit this year we're in a 2A which is not
on this particular chart but it's
another 80 000 acre feed came off of our
allocation and based on this particular
chart and this is again what we see
every week every month excuse me
just to go through this quickly this is
the Bad News Bears from
this current month in other words this
was the the February projection the
green is the hopeful line that's the 10
percent possibility like orange is the
really pessimistic line that's 10
percent of the worst options and the
blue is the probable line that's all the
other possibilities and we look at those
very carefully because you can see
the blue stays up above the tier three
the the blue dotted line in this chart
is when we hit tier three that's I
believe at 10 25 on Lake Mead
um
but you can see by 2024 it's well below
that line that's the most probable
and it's very likely the Secretary of
interior makes this decision they come
August of this summer we will have a
decision to go to a tier three shortage
um obviously we've made the big one
already but what's coming is also
serious now here this gives you another
graphic uh impact and you sort of see
how Lake Mead in in the graphics Supply
design here is affected uh we're down
there just below 10 45.
that's a tier 2B and then you see tier
three is 10 25. the more important part
of this particular chart is on the right
and that shows what's happened already
in the tier 2 cuts that we're seeing and
you'll notice that we used to have
excess capacity obviously that went away
right away then agriculture is now down
100 we're not providing water from the
Colorado River to agriculture in central
Arizona and then you can see even
Municipal and tribal which have the
highest priorities are taking a little
bit of a Nick right now
and that's where we're most concerned
obviously that's where the health and
safety of our population is dependent
okay
I mentioned a whole lot of different uh
acronyms we got one more because the
department of interior said as of May of
last year
that none of this was working
the drought contingency plan was not
enough
to even with a tier three with all of
the shortages that were being taken by
Arizona and you'll notice actually I
left out one critical detail about this
particular chart is when you get down to
a tier 2B
California starts putting some water
some shortage into the mix it's not a
lot by the time you get to a tier three
I believe it's
well it states down here but you have to
read the fine print it's 350 000 acre
feet you see on the left on the
California map
not anywhere near as much as we have to
give up but that is the Practical result
of the deal that was made when the cap
was passed in 1968.
now we're talking about a subsequential
and this is this is where the rubber
meets the road this is where our
hopefully our discussion today will be
able to focus I'm sorry all the rest has
been Preamble
um we're working right now with the at
the demand of the Bureau of Reclamation
Secretary of interior to try to find
more cuts
um and what they said back in May of
last year was that we needed to have two
to four million acre feet of additional
water coming out of the lower basin
that's that's a lot there's no other way
to describe it we've not been able to do
that the states have met an almost
weekly basis ever since that challenge
was put down and so far there's not
agreement
at the end of January
there was sort of dueling letters
because they gave us an interim that the
secretary put out a number of options
one was in no action you know they have
to do this for an environmental impact
statement and the others were very uh
what should I say nebulous but they
obviously involved more intense Federal
action in terms of demanding shortages
be taken
and so they're now in part of this
required NEPA process in order to change
the drought the 2007 guidelines they
have to go through a full NEPA analysis
the initial frosting has been done and
the comments have been made
and here was our comment we got six
states the six little ones uh got
together and and I think the miracle of
this particular letter and I know you
can't read the letter but I'll summarize
it very quickly but the miracle is that
we're hanging together upper and lower
Basin have not always gotten along
uh we've got some very different
interests for years they have let water
go down the river that we ended up using
in the lower Basin they're mad about
that I don't know what they intend to do
about it but they think hey we've been
given up for so long now that we're in a
shortage
we're frankly not going to do anything
to help you
um
that's part of the negotiation that
we're involved in right now but for the
purpose of this letter which came in the
31st of January
um they did pull together
and it basically was how do we get to
the very minimum that the Secretary of
interior has put out and that that is
basically focusing on what we call
system losses through the canals through
their Lakes through the various
systems from the time the water starts
in Wyoming and Northern Colorado until
he gets down to the end of the river
there are serious losses almost 1.5
million acre feet it just goes away well
that's water nobody gets and so for many
years because so much was still coming
that the upper Basin didn't use we
didn't pay any attention to system
losses because it was it was simply not
part of the discussion now we are
and so one of the big questions is how
do you allocate that where does it come
out of the various priorities does it do
you do the shortages based on the old
priority system or is it on a more
Equitable basis
and there's a dramatic difference right
now in the public sector because
California was not able to agree to the
and let me go back into some of the
details the biggest point of our joint
statement of the Six States the
so-called consensus-based agreement is
that we would have an allocation of the
system losses basically based on where
you are in the system
so if you're if you're taking water off
near the Lake Mead and Nevada is the
best example you have no system losses
at all but as you get down to Yuma and
then the the little right-hand turn that
the the river makes in a form of the our
All-American canal and feeds the
Imperial Valley 3.2 million acre feet of
water uh there's a lot of system losses
so obviously if we do that as an
allocation it's going to have profound
different impacts upon the southern part
of the system than for the central part
of the system where we get our water for
central Arizona so that's essentially
what this letter is saying and here's
the Practical impact
and I apologize this is an eye test and
it's pretty hard to read the various
numbers but take a look at the two
Alternatives and take go down to the
tier three 1025 on the left hand side
and you can see that under 10 25
and that's the the health and humans
health and safety consensus alternative
that the six states are proposing
Arizona would get seriously cut we would
end up with 1.6 if I
yeah 1.618 a million acre feet left in
our share which was started out at 2.8
so that's a that's a over a million acre
feet loss most of it coming from the
central Arizona project but go and look
at the same thing in the California
alternative it's 1.1
we want 1.376 sorry I can't see it and
I'm right on top of it
um but the the one that really gets at
people's attention is go to the bottom
line if we ever got that low on Lake
Mead
there's only 600 000 acre feet left for
Arizona under the California plan under
the more Equitable allocation it's 1.5
that's a very big difference
and so that's what we're arguing about
right now this is not uh it's not play
money or house rules this is this is
very Stark different approach to how the
shortage should be allocated there will
be a shortage we know that we plan for
it for years but the bottom line is how
do we manage it and if you simply use
the old priorities based upon first in
time first and right
and the other aspects of the traditional
rules in the western states
the California rule probably is the one
that
that would win out however I don't
believe that's the last statement here
in Arizona we've got
health and safety water that goes
directly to as it does in Gilbert to
Municipal treatment plants you need that
for fire prevention for for toilets and
showers for all the things that they
keep a community going and if you total
it all up the cap produces about three
hundred thousand three hundred fifty
thousand acre feet directly to City
Treatment Centers now there's a little
glitch in our system and that is that
Tucson doesn't trust anybody
so Tucson gets their water in a little
bit different way 120 000 acre feet goes
to Tucson into the ground and then they
pump it back out again
because some of you probably know the
history when the cap first got to Tucson
they threw it into their water supply
not paying any attention to the fact
that they reverse the flow in most of
the pipes
and it has a very dramatically different
chemical composition than what they were
using the result was green water
and a recall of the city council so I
just say that as a as a as a as a
warning
um they survived it but it was it was a
water disaster so they get their water
in a different way but you could add
that to our 350. I think if you add the
two side in that's approximately 450 000
acre feet NCAP water that is delivered
directly to cities for health and safety
purposes
and I think that's sacrosanct I don't
see how we can agree to any settlement
that doesn't respect that health and
safety uh in addition there's almost 500
000 acre feet which due to various legal
settlements and and Congressional
actions goes to tribal governments to
tribal entities we have 11 tribes that
are served by the central Arizona
project the largest of course is your
neighborhood River and they are the
water giant of central Arizona truly but
the tribal rights are legal rights and I
think in many ways are just as important
as the health and safety and so here if
you add it all up we're already below
that total if you look at both Maps
um maybe there's got to be some
skinnying up in terms of the consensus
version but the California alternative
puts everybody in a very bad situation
and it's the in Congress and here
locally we need to confront that and we
we need to be very Vigilant about what
happens so I'll wrap up very quickly
here what's next I had a great Steve
Benson cartoon that I was going to stick
in here which basically showed the
Colorado River empty but I've spared you
that that indignity but we have and and
the the story of this message the story
of this slide is too little too late we
started in the 2007 guidelines and
missed the target uh the the Lakes kept
going down minute three two three was
our agreement with Mexico which
basically brought them into the into the
conversation the drought contingency
plan those are the big circles that you
saw on the previous map
uh that seemed to be very very tough
medicine and we've implemented it and it
didn't work the lakes are still going
down uh the 500 plus plan is the most
recent that is compensated conservation
of which the Department of Water
Resources and the cap have jointly
funded and it's not enough it's
that we've raised the amount of money we
needed and the lakes are still going
down the reason is fairly simple uh that
it's it's complicated but it that we
just have a very different weather
pattern over the Rocky Mountains and
right now I had a great slide also which
has been but you know what's happening
uh 500 inches of no 100 inches of base
and Flagstaff some amazing
amazing hydrology this year but it's in
the wrong Basin it will keep the Salt
River Project Lakes very full
but we're worried about Lake Mead and
Lake Powell who are still as of the end
of February are still dropping it's been
better the inflow to Powell is better
than it was the last couple of years but
it's not enough to reverse the trend
we're in a I hate to call it a drought
because the last time we had this many
days of low rain was 1200 years ago
so this is kind of a epic event and it's
not likely to go away just with one good
rainy season
this is where we're headed I mentioned
the environmental impact statement
that's going to be
it's going to be tough medicine for
everybody
but we don't quite know what it's going
to look like whether they'll take the
California plan or our plan or some
version in between there's a very high
likelihood that one of the disgrantage
parties will file a lawsuit as a result
and our caution on that is not that you
can't file a lawsuit or somebody might
the last time it happened was Arizona V
California
it took 12 years to get a decision out
of the United States Supreme Court in a
fight between two states over the water
of the Colorado River we do not have the
time to go to court for 12 years so
we've got to try to work again on a
consensual agreement between the western
states so right now you've I think I've
covered all the points on this slide
we have the interim guidelines we put
those in place right now we're facing
the sort of the the light brown Square
which is the seis adjusted Colorado
River 2007 interim guidelines
that's what we're leading up to right
now
um
the 2007 guidelines had an expiration
date of 20 years
so in 2026 we have to adopt a new set of
allocations on the river
the six State seven states have to do
that themselves that's the preferred
route or the department of interior will
tell us how it should be allocated
and I think I speak for most arizonans
saying we'd rather not have that
alternative but it's always in the
background so after that is imposed we
have additional River operations so
here's where Gilbert is already
excelling but this is really the way
we're going to have to look at this
particular situation augmentation you
hear a lot about D salt that's probably
the last option on this particular chart
that we want to do because it is
incredibly expensive and it involves
International treaties Wheeling however
is very viable Wheeling is what you do
with a central Arizona project Canal
which is only half full
that means other supplies could be
negotiated and put into that particular
up upside down river the river that
flows to Central Arizona and that's a
big part of our hope for the future is
that for example Congress just passed an
authorization for the Colorado Indian
tribes to essentially lease two hundred
thousand acre feet of their water they
can move it from Parker through the
canal to Central Arizona to a willing
customer could be the municipalities I
know people are already talking to them
about that and Mary you're you're
looking like we're about out of time so
I'm happy to stop and ask for questions
but you see on this chart what we're
already thinking about what Gilbert's
already working on conservation
obviously you've done a great job there
uh reuse that means
taking City sewage and turning it into
usable water and Recovery again using
that and and we also have almost 12
million acre feet Gilbert I think has
three uh that is what you're number two
in the state for underground stored
water
um and so that's that's part of our
safety blanket we can we can pull that
out of the ground using the central
Arizona project Canal to to move it to
the place where it's needed and I'd like
to ask April return Quest if she has
anything to add to the presentation is
there what did I leave out
what has to the
colors of the cavitate
so I can't think of anything else okay
thank you
mayor I'd be delightful stop right now
take any questions if I have an
exhausted you and your patients thank
you I appreciate the presentation we
wanted to make sure that we were doing
these presentations since we had half of
our council is new and water is such a
big topic for all of us right now so I
appreciate you coming out and board
member turnquest 2 for coming out to
present tests this evening any comments
or questions councilmember Anderson
I looked right at you just just one
quick question Terry is on that colorful
chart that we saw there's a certain
allocation that is listed there from
Mexico's Mexico on board with the
numbers we're seeing there
councilman Henderson that's a great
question
um
generally Mexico has been very uh
Cooperative uh the international
treaties uh original in 1944 gave Mexico
1.5 million acre feet of assured water
at a certain level that they could use
it in other words the salinity had to be
maintained at a level that would not
kill the crops and that's been observed
until just recently the minute two three
two three that you saw referred to that
was a Amendment to the treaty which
basically called for a proportional cut
in the amount of water that went to
Mexico out of their 1.5 they're now
getting about 1.3
we don't know
let me go back to that very quickly
um
when the colorful chart hits
Mexico has not yet been discussed with
you notice that they're taking a pretty
big hit especially in our version
as I say they've been very Cooperative
but the international discussions our
general manager is in El Paso for those
discussions next week
and so we're waiting but the the talks
are ongoing we don't know
any other comments or questions
yeah I just want to um first of all
thank you for your service to the State
of Arizona over many years and I
appreciate the presentation I wish we
didn't have to have it but I appreciate
the information I wish you didn't either
those early years were so good yeah and
that was I just wanted to thank you and
and appreciate the presentation
thank you we appreciate you coming out
to Gilbert presenting to us I know we
have a tough road ahead of us for all of
us
thank you mayor and Council I I think
that's exactly right
um it would be foolish and I know you
haven't done this but some have to
Simply think well it's just a weather
phenomenon it'll be over in a year or
two
um we think exactly the opposite that it
is in fact and I didn't go into
hydrologic details I'm not a hydrologist
but what we know for sure is that the
temperature in the Rockies is about two
to three degrees higher than it used to
be
and the result is that much less water
even in a normal year actually gets into
the Lakes that's the long and short of
it and the result of good years
we have runoff that are 50 of normal
it'll be better this year we know we've
got a good year
but that is not one swallow doesn't make
a swearing and one good spring doesn't
make a restoration of a system that has
gotten so parched
so you've got about a third a third a
third in terms of your water allocations
that's very wise long-range planning
and I think you have to anticipate that
the Colorado portion of that will be
skinny down right how much we don't know
it's going to depend upon these
discussions and frankly the ability of
the states the seven states to put aside
some of their immediate needs and their
demands and their wishes and do
something that benefits the entire Basin
and we're not sure yet that we can do
that thank you very much thank you so
much have a great evening we appreciate
you thank you Tammy for coming out also
I will go ahead and adjourn this meeting
and we need to move right upstairs
I've got a great stuff dealer
oh yeah